Denken - The young are too hot-blooded. Frieren - Says the young man who claims he'll crush me, even knowing who I am.

@chinjianle269

6 ай бұрын

Well, you only meet her once at your late year

@pzarrow9526

6 ай бұрын

Nice try but Frieren would never even say that. Did you forget Frieren lost to humans the most? I swear this people shitting on these new characters and acting like the main cast are an untouchable bunch.

@dohalimilqarasdeldemenanci8483

6 ай бұрын

​@@pzarrow9526While I think Frieren will easily win, I do agree with you that everyone is too quick to underestimate every new character because our cast has Frieren lol

@patbracken

6 ай бұрын

@@pzarrow9526 I'm accusing him of being hot-blooded, not incompetent.

@Mizar007

6 ай бұрын

​@@patbrackenperhaps, unless he has ulterior motives for fighting Frieren directly. He seems very smart and this would be a dumb move if he knows her power. Maybe he wants to test his own power? He seems the least concerned in the exam next to Frieren

With Denken even if he knows who Frieren is why wouldn't he still aim to win. If a boxer is going against the world champion, they're not thinking, "I can't win. This is the world champion." They think."I'm gonna win." If you don't try to win you'll just lose.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Always aim to win... Be sure you can win though. Don't underestimate the enemy or over estimate yourself. As a matter of fact, some famous war fighter says something about not fighting unless you're sure you can win... 😏 Maybe he really thinks he can, but we don't have any idea what he actually knows about her so it comes off as not the smartest move to the audience who does know her power.

@crispycreammcfly4782

6 ай бұрын

@TheGenreVerse True, but he has to fight her anyway, so he should aim to win. Also, Frieren herself has admitted that she lost against people technically weaker than her. She's not invincible. I'm still giving it to Frieren, but Denken doesn't stand no chance he's a skilled mage.

@rockyterman6904

4 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse The third test would explain his character a bit more anyway. Denken is just not someone to be messed with.

Frieren made the ever so subtlest of faces when she heard Serie’s name. They definitely know each other…

Happy birthday, Kyle! There's always that feeling of a sustained pause just as the episode is about to end.

Happy birthday haha! edit: Yeah it's nice to see Sense has a different attitude to Genau haha

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

“I couldn’t block them all”. Famous last words of everyone who loses to Fern. One almost feels sorry for poor Ehre there…

Happy birthday, Kyle! Fern showing that she's stronger than the last time we have seen her really in action in episode 9 and let's us know that Frieren is still training her. Wirbel was so stupid by revealing his technique by saying he has to look at the object in his vision to activate the spell.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Never give information freely!

The test is very understandable, if u fail or die then that means ur not qualified. You might think the killing is pointless because " why cant everyone live and that way u have more man power to fight against the demons" but the problem here is having 20 2nd class mages is just as useless has having none in a fight against high level demons that first class mages fight. So power in numbers doesn't mean anything if u cant survive and pass this exam. Lastly taking part in the exam is completely optional , mages can just stay as second class mages if they want

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

But those mages getting to live on to learn may become better 1st classes later, additionally a 2nd class doesn't have to be there to fight the highest demons and they can be behind to help the normies. You can try and get it to make a real world logical sense, but it doesn't. It only makes sense in as much as anything else fictional does. I can find a use for almost anyone in a war. No matter how strong or "weak" so long as they're not incompetent. Maybe having actually taken Soldiers down range gives me more of a sense of value in the lives of those fighting with me... Let alone for me.

@Diablos-pi2qy

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse I can understand and agree with the points that you're mentioning. However, my interpretation/understanding of the situation is as follows: Being a first-class mage is neither a requirement nor a necessity for having a good life. Furthermore, the privileges and responsibilities that come with it are very special. Therefore, the Continental Magic Association has provided enough information about the dangers of the tests and other related information. So, if someone still chooses to take the test even though they may not be qualified, why should the proctors put themselves in danger to try and save that person? Like where does personal responsibility fit in this equation? Having said all that, I'm not advocating for killing test takers or anything like that, but I do feel that the first test as designed by Genau (ie, the first class mage responsible for it) is maybe somewhat harsh but not unreasonable at all since he has only put them in a real life scenario, which can have mortal danger in their world (eg, monsters and whatnot). To summarize, I personally do agree with Sense (ie, the first class mage responsible for the second test) in that the tests can be designed to be more test-taker friendly, but also don't see any issues with Genau's methods in a dangerous world like theirs.

the 1st mage isn't actively trying to kill their participant. but if you got kill by a random monster that aren't even the strongest, well sucks to be you. not to mention, some might argue this is the price needed for getting a "wish" granted.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

The price for the "privilege" is more logical than "only the best survive" but i could still argue there are better ways to test ones mettle and wisdom. I can still find valid and viable uses for every mage that fails to make 1st-class. There are smaller fish that need frying while the big dogs take on the big fish.

@adamwu4565

6 ай бұрын

The fatal death trap test is very much a fictional trope. It’s both inhumane and ludicrously ineffective in real life, and I’m not sure if there has ever been any actual real life examples. Even the Spartan Agoge never went that far.

@lukuanhsien

6 ай бұрын

@@adamwu4565 "in real life," well

Happy birthday 🎉

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Happy belated Birthday Kyle!

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Thank you!

11:24 for real😂 i think we all have our inner children that always be like "oh yeah i wanna float" LOL i ship then tho...tbh even in the manga it wasn't clear if she was the same girl who he had fell in love when he was a kid, but...for romance purposes i like to think she is 😅

@beatrizoliveira9344

6 ай бұрын

She is not. Wirbel is in his 30s, Ehre is around Fern's age... We literally see her as a kid when he (as an adult) saved her village

@Mizar007

6 ай бұрын

What about Sense?

@pbgamer25

6 ай бұрын

@@Mizar007 what about her?

Frieren previously mentioned she lost against 11 mages on her entire life and 1 was against an elf and that elf is Serie (Yellow haired elf)

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

So she does know her... Nice.

@adamwu4565

6 ай бұрын

I’m not sure if it was Serie, as Frieren said she lost 11 battles against mages with weaker mana than herself, one of them to an elf. At no point in their collective lives has Serie ever had less mana than Frieren, and while Serie is definitely the more powerful mage, possibly by a lot, we don’t know if the two of the, ever even fought each other.

@noobgamingchannel5122

6 ай бұрын

spoiler.... why would serie fight againts her ex grandpupil

@vii.x

6 ай бұрын

@@adamwu4565 and it seems that serie also trying/doing the mana concealing but can't.

@adamwu4565

6 ай бұрын

We really can’t say at this point whether Serie can’t hide all her mana, or simply chooses not to. Remember that Lernen was able to detect that Frieren was concealing her mana, but he couldn’t detect that Serie was. And Serie displaying a very large amount of mana, while simultaneously hiding some of it, could easily have been a deliberate part of the final stage of the exam, as how the candidates reacted to sensing her mana level was one of the criteria she used to pass or fail them.

17:00

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

What about that line?

@JesusIsComing-ru5tw

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse x0 ?

You can be fenominal 2-d rank - just dont take part in 1-st rank exam. Nobody force you to do that and you can live rich and famous life without becoming 1-st rank mage. In fact 1-st rank mage take very dangerous missions against demons and monsters What is the point of "soft" exam if weakling that manage to pass - would die in first battle and become a reason for deaths of others? Or you just want to get Privilege for free without paying a price - this is pure greed

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Man... Sure glad we don't treat our (US) Special Forces like that... I mean, it's not like they have to be the best of the best. They surely don't go out and do the most dangerous missions... You're 100% right, only in facing death at the behest of an elitist will you be properly prepared for combat. You can't train and retrain and get better... Nope, never happens. Remember, we're only commenting on what we know at the point in the story. We also clearly state that what's good for a story isn't good in real life. That's all. It's not knocking it.

@user-fp3in2kf3b

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse 1.All demons are way stronger then humans by default. They are literally natural born mages (magic for them is not something you should lern by the book - you born with it) . Demons on Seven Sages lvl (greater demons)- are natural disaster lvl opponents. They could destroy whole nation with their magic. This kind of stakes we talking about. 1-st rank mage should be able to hold their ground against such monsters. This basicly "life or death" situation and it not like only your life is put on line. Cost of mistake would be tremendous Could you really train something like this with "safe options"? And also it not like exam force you into the death duels. This is just one option among many others. Killing would not give you a lot benefit here. . And speaking about monsters - if you die from something like that (while being a full fledged mage - they are not childrens), then you have zero chances to survive further in the North (even without demons, monsters become way stronger, more cunning and in bigger numbers) . Thing is - 1-st rank mages are combat oriented. So if combat is not you strong side, then refuse to take part in the exam would be a wise choice. You loose nothing from this

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Man, with such dangerous beings out there it sure would be great to have the maximum number of weapons to fight against them. Soft training? Who said soft training? The closest thing we have to this is SF training and that's far from safe or soft, but it sure doesn't go out of it's way to kill off (or encourage killing each other) potential weapons against dangerous enemies. Besides losing potential weapons, you sow distrust amongst the mages that survive. Why would they work together against demons if they were just trying to kill each other during the test? You will never rationalize weeding out the "weak" via death. The "privilege" at the end is the only thing that gives this whole thing any (but still weak) standing... Where you don't want too many people getting a "wish" but hell, even then you can limit access without killing off mages. Sure, this builds good drama and in a fantasy world you can loosen logic because... Magic. However, with a bit of thought, you can expose the weak foundation of the ideology. Still a good story. Still a great show. Still fun.

@user-fp3in2kf3b

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse 1)Problem is - against Greater demons numbers of weak opponent does not matter. You need your own ultimate weapon in order to deal with such kind of threat . 2)Yet there is a big difference between "peace times" army and combat hardened army. Training cant replace actual combat experience and here people just cant afford themself a luxury give 1-st rank mage title to those who are not prepared (cant do their job properly) . Also i think it is wrong to bring modern day SF as example. In 21-st century we have a lot of advantages which downgrade role of personal skill. Middle Age professional warriors (like knights, etc depending on which nation we talk about) who take part in huge amount of battles since they were 13-14 years old children - this would be a proper example. Those warriors put their life in risk since childhood and you just cant become a good warrior with "training only" . 3)Because they also take this exam as a team and they are forced to protect their teammates = this require a team work and create a bond between members of one team . 4)Risk on the exam is known to everyone. This is not some sort of secret. Also everyone knew that numbers of those who was able to pass are minuscule (does not mean all of them are dead. Just fail the exams). This should force mages to THINK PROPERLY - am i strong enough to take this? Is the prize is worth the risk? Etc. This is their choice and responsibility for such choice is lie on them (this is how being an adult really works) . Genay (proctor of first exam) - is a battle hardened veteran who fought against top lvl demons and loose his team mates just because they were not ready for something like this. His philosophy (each proctor get complete freedom on how design his test. So lethality of the test correlates with each proctor philosophy) - better filter out those who is not ready earlier (when stakes are zero and nobody end up dead from their mistake), then find it in the hit of the battle and this could cost everything

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Okay. As one who was in the Army for 17 years and did both 21st century Wars, I'm gonna bow out and say we'll just agree to disagree on a lot and that we do agree that this is great fiction.

that earth raising spell seems a bit too powerful in this world. like its WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more powerful then aurora . and if thats the case, why was she such a big deal.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Valid point...

The test to be a first-class mage is like a driving test. You need to drive in real traffic and expose yourself to the risk of accidents to prove you can drive 🤷. A test with built-in safety measures will just be a test to be second-class mages.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

So our elite military units are only 2nd class because they don't face death in training? Come on now... That's my whole point, this doesn't hold up in a real world way when you think of these mages as actual people and/or resources for fighting against an enemy. Driving is actually more dangerous than the military. More people die in car accidents in the US in a single year than all US combat deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq combined. It's okay for this to be done for drama in a fantastical setting, but you don't kill off potential, and that's what they're doing. You can make things very, very difficult without encouraging/allowing peers to kill each other or letting the wildlife get people. You can even limit access to the "privilege" without needing to reduce a valuable resource. That kind of elitist thinking is how you end up with a limited number of sentient beings to do the work and teach the next generation... Or even birth the next generation.

@butterflyl3926

6 ай бұрын

​@@TheGenreVerse You're assuming the mages and the association's primary goal is for military might against the demons. Serie has a mysterious goal seemingly related to the Demon King. Meanwhile, mages want the title for different reasons (the "privilege" is one of them, access to areas is another). Your argument is more in line with Denken's on how quality isn't the end all be all and that the association is wasting resources for the fight against demons. And that is true in an ideal society. However, the goal of the certification isn't for military might. Hell, considering how expensive it is to hire a first-class mage to accompany you to places, there might even be an incentive to keep the number of first-class mages low.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

When everyone keeps talking about how these mages have to face this in order to prove they're able to fight the hardest of demons... That's military use. I have argued there are other uses for mages too. From cleaning beaches to putting up protective barriers against monsters or bad weather. You can make the test incredibly hard without death coming so easy. That doesn't mean safe, it means not unnecessarily deadly. You can limit the number of 1st Class Mages through limiting test slots or holding a lottery for the "privilege" once you have your handful of passing mages. It's fine for what it is, a fantastical drama. It doesn't make logical sense beyond that though.

@butterflyl3926

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse If the goal of the association is for military might, then the "privilege" would simply be distributed to every capable fighter mage. It clearly isn't. A mysterious elven mage took over the association 50 years ago and is pulling the strings. Who knows if she cares about the ongoing war or even the value of human life? Denken clearly objects to it on a similar argument you're making. But such elitism is not illogical. It is what could realistically happen if superpowered beings run the organization (like in The Boys).

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

I think you may be confusing illogical and impossible (or that I am saying the illogical never happens). The illogical happens everyday... America is literally running two unpopular octogenarians for President. That's illogical as all hell. Putin, illogical. Xi Jinping, illogical. Trudeau, Illogical. Big Pharma business model, illogical. The idea of commenting on one aspect of a show, you clearly enjoy, and expecting people to not get hung up on that one observation, when you still clearly enjoy the story and show.... apparently illogical LOL. I am seriously light-hearted here and not upset in any way (context because text is void of tone) However, people stand up against the illogical and try to change it everyday as well, and that means many illogical things get stamped out. Like allowing kids to work in coal mines. That was stupid and wasteful. It's gone now. Well, in most of the world it's gone. Learning this thing is only 50yrs old gives it some standing in that information about it's illogical methods haven't made it out to enough of the normies in the world to effect a desire for change or to have people be like "nah man, I'm good." However, changing it is something that SHOULD happen. Because it's a waste of potential and resources.

Guy on the left should stick to Disney cartoons. He's getting way too worked up over the death risk angle, which isn't without precedence in human history. Spartans straight up committed infanticide when they detected any birth defects or what they considered unacceptable weaknesses. I'm sure he'd argue those babies could've still grown up to be productive members of society but that's not the point. In this setting, according to standards set by this system in a world where demons are an ever-present threat, only the best should be applying for first-class mage status in the first place. Yeah it's a more ruthless world and it's so bizarre you can't wrap your head around that. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't make sense at all. And so far, we don't know if this test applies to other nations because we haven't seen any other nations or even know if the concept of nations exists. As far as we've seen, it's just been different towns, cities, castles and so on. You're assuming a lot to justify applying your worldview to a world operating on different rules, even going so far as to say Frieren should have gathered all the stilles in one place to show they don't have to fight each other. Sorry but I'm really glad you're not in charge of any of this, it sounds like any story you write would just be the most generic, predictable, uninspired, forgettable slop.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

The past was the worst and often had people making really bad decisions. I'm pretty sure the Spartans don't exist today so... Maybe their methods weren't good? Maybe it's the 17 years I spent in the Army, or the 18 years I spent as an Army brat, that informs my desire to not waste valuable resources such as people/Soldiers. You still can't rationalize encouraging/allowing death when those people can still be useful to their nation, their town, their guild, or their families. But it does make for fun fiction... Illogical and fun fiction.

@boxtears

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse The Spartans lasted for a long time, by your reasoning the Romans were failures because the Roman empire eventually collapsed. Regardless, we don't yet know the full reasoning behind why the first class mage exam is so unforgiving so to say it makes absolutely no sense when you yourself said further context is probably on the way seems premature. We just saw the head of the mage's association is an elf, which means it's possible she may place very little value on the fleeting lives of humans. Many characters have already voiced disapproval of the exam's methods so it's not as though the story isn't coming from a place of self-awareness.

@TheGenreVerse

6 ай бұрын

Yes... Collapsing is failure... The Romans made bad choices, some included wasting valuable resources, and failed. I think you confuse me saying illogical as impossible. The illogical happens all the time. It shouldn't... Because it's illogical. And I'm not saying it shouldn't be a part of the story. Never did I say it hurts the story or shouldn't be a part of it. It's commentary from me, out here, about what a more realistic line of thought would be. Even for people that appear to be on either side of earth-like middle ages. What confuses me are people trying to rationalize the killing and test rather than rationalize why the characters rationalize the killing and test. I'm already well aware there are elitists who just want the elite to exist at a certain level. Now I'm aware there's a prize beyond the title involved. That gives the characters their in world motivations for doing something illogical. As you said, there are people already speaking out against it. My original point, and only point, is doing this is a waste of resources and potential. Similar actions, real or otherwise, have always been, and will always be, illogical. But not impossible to see.

@boxtears

6 ай бұрын

@@TheGenreVerse Alright.