Freud's Theory of Depression: Appreciation and Critique

Depressive affect ranges from PS to D. Not all about loss and trauma. Reproaches we deserve and those we do not. Role of aggression turned on self. Guilt not borrowed but induced.

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  • @noorsareen3935
    @noorsareen39353 жыл бұрын

    We need more people like you providing essential insight. Thank you!

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Most welcome

  • @Cocomoc.
    @Cocomoc.2 ай бұрын

    Beautiful lecture. Once more . Thank you professor Carveth. :)

  • @jakecarlo9950
    @jakecarlo9950 Жыл бұрын

    Wow, yes, a therapeutic-revolutionary cell to wage a war of liberation against the superegoic forces throughout our lives - together. That is a rare and beautiful image. *So* hard to do, very very hard. No less difficult than holding together an actual cell against factionalism in political life, or just simoly supporting each other when we’re all only chin-high above the wave ourselves. There is such hope in your image, but it almost makes waking up to another lonely McDonald’s breakfast that much harder to bear. Thanks for your work.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah, I understand. But thanks

  • @adamslowikowski3085
    @adamslowikowski30853 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Dr. Carveth for your valuable short presentation on a very important subject. The different kinds of depression, love object loss, hate object identification and plain unjustified self loathing. Also the cure for most depression in gratitude. Very valuable insights for every day living, especially in the context of our Covid affected world.

  • @panteasafaee3659
    @panteasafaee36593 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much, you always explain everything very precisely 🌹🌹🙏🙏

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Welcome!

  • @shawn4488
    @shawn4488 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Dr Carveth, your generous work has changed my life 🙏

  • @JM-xk3xs
    @JM-xk3xs3 жыл бұрын

    Feeling thankful for these video lectures. So simply put, with real human examples that we can relate to. Grateful for every minute of them, and your time.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you very much. As I have pointed out, gratitude is perhaps the healthiest emotion and it’s very good that you can express it. All the best.

  • @gloriajaramillo3112
    @gloriajaramillo31122 жыл бұрын

    Excellent talk. Thank you so much professor Carveth

  • @francescomanfredonia9095
    @francescomanfredonia90953 жыл бұрын

    Dear Prof I am so very grateful for this view on depression. It is so inspiring and I think some of your words resonate deeply with me and will be with me forever You touched my soul or my being Francesco

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much, I’m glad.

  • @elnazyaghoobi8426
    @elnazyaghoobi84263 жыл бұрын

    This talk was awesome! Thanks for your generosity for sharing free with us.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you

  • @cyrusmogaka5070
    @cyrusmogaka50703 жыл бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @richardprice9730
    @richardprice97303 жыл бұрын

    20 minutes in and on : Thank God for you Don speaking something which more than vaguely resembles an ancient sense via the more classic route of self examination there IS such a thing as healthy guilt this is part of what marks us out as human beings the problem is that for most of us this is at times hopelessly muddled with the inner tyrant the self of self punishment ( beating oneself up) false guilt induced by the parent , working to seperate this is a huge task . How to begin and then what is the difference between a more refined or purified version of the above , I have read St John Of the crosses book many times , the Bible and many others religious texts and it does intimate a sense of refined sensitivity towards guilt on a deeper level as if ouir guilt radar is becoming more attuned the more we respond to it , like an inbuilt radar . Should we accept this mixed upness first rather than risk dismissing this "false guilt", then risk missing the most important point the need to change , maybe in the false there is a sense of pride forming a false self ? For me the lost love also is a very difficult one , re my past soulmate ( Not Mother ), for some reason 15 + years later i still imagine she will contact me , letting go seems like shutting the door on this as a possibility . Sexual intercourse as "bad" for me comes back to my Mothers own sense of failure at being able to suckle me , no picking me up or being placed on her body when I was born but put in a cot ( re this reached such a pitch I feel it was a factor in my jaundice ie stress related )so i internalized her anxiety as an unwillingness to reach out , it isn't allowed yes this could produce false guilt but in me seems to cause anxiety about reaching out , about sexual arousal , linked into the original sensual- touch- intimacy need , that was not allowed . I can see where you are coming from but these aspects although having a negative impact do not make me feel guilty . Please clarify . Maybe there is some distorted negative sense but it doesn't feel like guilt , it feels more like , it's not Ok , or i can't , or i don't know what to do , or is it allowed...Not guilt per se . I think the important thing is to revisit , to do the work to allow up the feelings and as much as we can memories . Having done a lot of anger work( shops ) , for me this means often allowing this rage , at women who stand for my "neurotic Mother ", or who symbolize her in their stance on life and attitude ( ie prudish , Victorian , censorial moralizers etc controlling ) . 32:00 great Don absolutely acceptance of our deeper level ingrained (bad) habits. Yes right to the crux , falling short of our ideals ! Perfection , for me allowing more of God through , Your Will be done as Jesus said .Our conscience telling us we are blocking this is in some way or massively distorting this . Depression A great podcast Don making psychoanalysis understandable without loosing its depth or complexity . Coming back to God ( Truth , Love ...Divine Intelligence ) as Nis might say seeing the unreal as it is and god as he is , not confusing the unreal with the real , Jesus why do you call "me" good ? Yes exactly 37 in moments of just BEING , Here now , a great note to end on , expansive , open potentially responsive being ( here -now) God Bless R

  • @sophiafake-virus2456
    @sophiafake-virus24563 жыл бұрын

    I had to speed him up twice. He sounds like his younger self, and we are all going to get out of here before the summer.

  • @velvetclaw2316

    @velvetclaw2316

    3 жыл бұрын

    I have no idea what this comment means ..?

  • @richardprice9730
    @richardprice97303 жыл бұрын

    11mins in hating ? Underneath this tone it feels like fear of the original sense of abandonment , ( rejection , non-availability ) of the original object , the hate conceals the fear of this occurring again , the anger which the child unready to stand the loss cannot be angry so hates that is a repressed anger which as Berne correctly ascribes to the present, the baby/ child living predominantly in the now , is angry ? Or fear full and in danger of endless feedback loop , this then becomes hatred introjected visa vi depression ( a racket emotion) or a fear of anger ?

  • @felicianerlenburg2744
    @felicianerlenburg27443 жыл бұрын

    Hi Don! Thank you for sharing your insights of the literature and your personal clinical experience. I am still confused about the difference between reparative guilt and the destructive super-ego-induced guilt. Do you not think that these concepts are culturally dependent? For example, one might do something that is bad, and therefore hurt another person, but without awareness due to a cultural difference. The basis for judging something as "bad", of course should be the victim, right? But what if the victim him/herself playing tricks to induce guilt? An example: Someone cheats on her boyfriend but it was the boyfriend who had proposed an open relationship. Then this someone is becoming depressed and beating herself up because the boyfriend is furious, telling her that he would have never expected her to go all the way. How will she know whether or not she needs to "convert" her behaviour or can be excused because it is a harsh super ego, or the boyfriend who is playing tricks?

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am afraid this is too complex to be unpacked here.

  • @dejanpil4847
    @dejanpil48473 жыл бұрын

    Hi, Don! I read your book The still small voice. Amazing work, an eye-opener! I was wondering, what is your opinion of Transactional Analysis? Thanks.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    In a word, psychoanalysis light. Very light. Are useful oversimplification.

  • @adamslowikowski3085

    @adamslowikowski3085

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Dejan Pil. Hello Dejan. I'm very pleased you asked Don for his opinion on T. A. I was wondering myself what he thought of Eric Berne's psychotherapy system. In the mid 80s I went to see a T. A. therapist for counselling sessions. So I know a little bit about it. Thanks for your nice input!

  • @ernestgutierrez6428
    @ernestgutierrez64283 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for your Video lecture. I have followed you for some time now. You cite many influential figures in the realm of psychology particularly psychoanalytic theory, I don’t believe I have heard you mention Jung ( although you talk about Freud quite a bit) Freud and Jung were of course, teacher and mentor , maybe even friends. Until, a spitting of sorts happened over religion, was it? Jung went on to pursue his own clinical and academic endeavors.. i find Jung so complicated, his interpretation of symbols In dream analysis for example , is so hard for a layperson to follow. Can you send me a quick response on your opinion of Jung? Who do you think made the more prominent contribution to science? Freud or Jung? Thanks in advance

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    There is no question: Freud made by far the greater contribution. There are some valuable aspects of Jung”S work however. I studied young for a while many years ago but I had neurotic problems I needed to solve and so turned to Freud and psychoanalysis. It was the right decision, I don’t regret it.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    See the response I just gave to another inquiry. Young‘s method of dream interpretation is what I called essential lysing rather than contextualizing and I reject it. I also reject his version of Christianity. It is a form of Gnosticism, as Martin Buber, among others, has pointed out. I am biased, I admit, but I don’t feel there’s enough there to motivate spending the time and effort to study him further. No doubt I am missing some good things, but life is short and my vision poor.

  • @ernestgutierrez6428

    @ernestgutierrez6428

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for the reply. Freud has become a bit of a mockery ( unjustly) by the scientific community and laypeople alike. In preference to Jung. Jung is often held in higher esteem. Freud got things wrong and at times was overzealous. Jung comes off as pretentious in my opinion. Perhaps history will look more kindly on Freud . In 100 years

  • @jankan4027

    @jankan4027

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ernestgutierrez6428 Jung went towards sim-bols, Freud went towards sim-ptoms, as Lacan hinted. Freud was more down to earth in that respect.

  • @Enr227
    @Enr2273 жыл бұрын

    Depression is a way to rest after energetic illusions are punctured. It can be destructive or progressive depending on many factors

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    So true.

  • @johncollins4720

    @johncollins4720

    3 жыл бұрын

    Don, I am a Catholic Theologian. It is refresing to hear words such as sin, forgiveness, conversion and conscience in the context of a presentation on Freud. The reference to Derida's ongoing sense of mourning has semiotic Resonance with Christ Risen complete with visible wounds. Dr John Francis Collins

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@johncollins4720 Thank you, I could express myself in Christian terms but I find this secular psychological language more persuasive as far as my colleagues are concerned. All the best.

  • @TheBensonReview
    @TheBensonReview3 жыл бұрын

    Have you read any of Christopher Bollas's books?

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’ve never been a big enthusiast

  • @mehrnazification
    @mehrnazification3 жыл бұрын

    Dear Prof. Don A deep appreciation for your time and effort. I have a question regarding the love-hate ambivalence. How the therapist should help a patient move from a constant fight between love and hate to a place where love has won? How to overcome this constant disruption of love by hating and reach a purer love? On the other hand, what the patient should do when the ambivalence is toward the therapist and the paranoid side of the patient doesn't let her/him even talk to the therapist?

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    Careful empathic exploration of the roots of and reasons for the patient’s hatred, combined with the patients and empathy on the part of the therapist, over a long period of time

  • @mehrnazification

    @mehrnazification

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@doncarveth thanks a lot

  • @MattStemp
    @MattStemp2 жыл бұрын

    Difficult to separate out the lecture from the sermon here.

  • @velvetclaw2316
    @velvetclaw23163 жыл бұрын

    I don’t really understand how the depressive position is not a PROGRESSION from the paranoid shizoid position - surely once you have processed PS you move into D - why would we oscillate btw the two ? I don’t really understand this part of klienian theory but hope you can elucidate.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    3 жыл бұрын

    See under playlists, cleaning in theory 1 to 6

  • @VigiliusHaufniensis
    @VigiliusHaufniensis Жыл бұрын

    Professor, i watched a lot of your lectures and enjoyed them very much while also learning a lot. But there is one topic i still somewhat struggle to wrap my head around, which is the topic of psychosis. From a freudian point of view it seems like psychosis is a regression into an extremely early phase of developement. From a kleinian point of view on the other hand, it seems like psychosis is an excess of paranoid/schizoid operations. But then again i don't know how psychosis would differ from borderline personality organization. Lacans concept seems to be the most sophisticated one to me while also beeing the most hopeless one, since the foreclosure of the name of the father isn't reversible. Jung seems to have a somewhat simple but still true conceptualisation of psychosis, as the ego beeing overwhelmed by unconscious contents, which seems to be true at least for the more manic forms of the psychoses. I don't know how self psychology views the Situation. Considering stark mental disease like Schizophrenia, there seems to be a strong biochemical component to the symptoms of psychosis. Yet one can hardly deny that delusions, visual and especially accustic hallucinations have a analysable content or am i going wrong in that? That would mean to me that even schizophrenia would benefit from a psychoanalytic threatment or does it? Since a hallucination is a product of the unconscious it should be created through primary processes right? If i remember it correctly Freud equated dreams to psychotic states of mind in Outline of psychoanalysis. Anyway can you recommend any books or videos on the topic of psychosis from a psychoanalytic point of view?

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s a very good summary and series of questions. I would recommend anything you can get your hands on by Bertram Karon. Kurt Eissler wrote an excellent paper on the psycho analysis of schizophrenia. He argued that as the psychotic is flooded with excessive meaning, the last thing he needs is for an analyst to throw more meanings at him. In the face of psychosis I believe the analyst must shift for a considerable time to a supportive psychotherapy. Psychoanalytic understanding may give the analyst many hints about the meaning of what is going on, but it is usually unhelpful, even harmful, to communicate these to the patient. The patient needs reassurance, protection and safety. As the patient recovers he may be helped by the psychoanalyst to understand what it was all about. In paranoid delusional states what it is often about is massive projection of a sadistic, persecutory superego.

  • @VigiliusHaufniensis

    @VigiliusHaufniensis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@doncarveth Thank you!

  • @cherihausmann
    @cherihausmann2 жыл бұрын

    Is sex really ever about love. I'd say it's a delusional concept. But maybe presented as that, like a facade, to satisfy the super ego.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    2 жыл бұрын

    That’s a bit too cynical. Kern Berg thinks in a good relationship we oscillate between loving and using the other.

  • @doncarveth

    @doncarveth

    2 жыл бұрын

    Kernberg