Most contractors aren’t true professionals like you, they’re the fly by nighters and don’t have the equipment to remove the dirt, that’s why they put it back in, because it will work for like a day and they get paid and then change their phone numbers and are never to be heard from again. Thanks for the educational content!

@anthonyespiricueta7493

3 ай бұрын

“True professionals” 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@joshwatson9725

3 ай бұрын

nothing you said made sense. What equipment do they need to remove the dirt? maybe the god damn shovel they used to take it out and a wheelbarrow!

@jasonkeller5732

3 ай бұрын

@@joshwatson9725 a dump truck to remove the dirt from the property. Everyone who watches this channel regularly knows what Rob is talking about. Most contractors put the dirt back in cause they didn’t bring any stones either.

@christopherhayes5309

3 ай бұрын

Stop using God's name in a cussing manor & negative way!​@@joshwatson9725

@user-kj4yr9yv4g

2 ай бұрын

So u going to have a rocky path,who wants that

Never put drainage in so shallow, put it deeper so you can put gravel around it and then the mud on top so the customer doesn’t have a bad area of grass 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

@user-ds6ur2og5p

Ай бұрын

Are you not listening. First off who cares about the grass if you have huge puddles. Next by placing the dirt back in (to have pretty grass accordingly to you) you jeopardize because the dirt will clog the French drain. That’s due to the clay and small rocks in the dirt. Not to mention the roots from the crabgrass or other weeds now growing in the dirt. Thank me later my boy

@Phil_Theekrit

Ай бұрын

That’s exactly what I was thinking it’s gonna look like shit

@Sitdown570

Ай бұрын

@@user-ds6ur2og5p they care about the grass

@DHorse

Ай бұрын

Good eye. That's too shallow.

@kenfix2740

Ай бұрын

​@@user-ds6ur2og5pCover with wash rock. 57 stone. Cover THAT with landscape fabric. Then dirt for landscaping. So the whole thing needs to be Deep enough. If shallow like this, then ya no dirt. Pebbles or such...

always drain directly into the neighbours back yard

@HackMasterBlaster

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

@OhWel

3 ай бұрын

Not

@BBoy-te1cb

3 ай бұрын

Yeah our neighbor did that and flooded our basement 😂

@deebee1795

3 ай бұрын

@@BBoy-te1cb lol 😂

@WilliamBrown-bg7vm

3 ай бұрын

One inch from property line It'll be called an act of God

That is what the filter fabric is for. Come on people. There is dirt on the bottom and both sides. If you got rock all around the pipe and you have filter fabric all around that, if you got the fabric doubled over the top, it's not going to hurt putting dirt back in the ditch. If you think the fabric won't stop the dirt from coming through the fabric and rock, then it won't stop it on either side. Ithink you're full of crap. I've worked in construction for over 40 years and put in a lot of drainage pipe. Then we put the fabric in first, then the rock. Pull one side of the fabric over the ditch then lap the othe side over the first one.the dirt is never going through it. You have to put some dirt in for the grass to grow unless you want rock in your yard. This is the way we had to put it in according to the inspectors.

@user-ph5el5wc9q

3 ай бұрын

I agree. These idiots

@michaelrizzello3763

Ай бұрын

If you have dirt around the pipe then it’s not a French Drain.

@carmenhogan3334

Ай бұрын

​@@michaelrizzello3763but you have gravel around the pipe first, so sure it is.

@kimmcgill1767

29 күн бұрын

My interpretation was NOT to put the dirt back IN around the pipe, but instead rock, wrap, & then a little dirt on top of rock & wrap for grass.

@johnharrison2511

29 күн бұрын

Dirt "back in", is not "dirt around". Basic lack of comprehension is the main cause of drainage done badly. Pipe, surrounded by aggregate as an aeration/filter/ capacity for soaking up more water, wrapped in fabric, or whatever barrier, then backfill. Obviously the fabric/ filter goes in the ditch first, followed by a bed of aggregate, then the pipe, then more aggregate, surrounding the whole pipe nicely. Then the full wrap of membrane/barrier, to encase the whole thing. Then the backfill. Excess dirt can be good for raised beds etc. Sometimes the water drained away can also be utilised in another zone of your garden.

Never put the dirt from the trench on the bare ground. Put it on a tarp strip next to the trench so that cleaning it up doesn't mess up the existing lawn.

@jamesmoran8335

3 ай бұрын

Ever try loading dirt off a tarp with an excavator? I’ll replant the grass

@ModelLights

3 ай бұрын

@@jamesmoran8335 'with an excavator?' If you're breaking out an excavator just to get up the little bit of dirt from a french drain like this, you're doing something wrong.

@Americansikkunt

3 ай бұрын

@@ModelLightshow do you remove ~50 lbs of dirt?

@ModelLights

3 ай бұрын

@@Americansikkunt At you, how do you and @jamesmoran8335 both miss that the OP of this comment said 'the trench' and was referring to the trench in the video, or at most similar, where it's an obviously good idea? 'Well it doesn't fit MY CASE were we remove ridiculously more dirt!' Guess what? OP wasn't talking about your case, he was speaking to the video. Poor logic used to pretend you're correcting the OP is only that, poor logic on your part. BTW, how weak do you have to be to think ~50 pounds of dirt is a problem on a tarp lol..

@davidtuttle7556

3 ай бұрын

​@@Americansikkuntwith muscles.

As a drainage contractor it blows my mind on a weekly basis how often other contractors improperly install drainage repairs

@brandonking1342

3 ай бұрын

Will there be a line of rock in the lawn or donyou top it with loam?

@bryceharper5748

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 every contractor swears their better then the next contractor they’ll sit there criticizing the last contractors work for 2 hours before they do any work 😂😂😂

@petergethins-rm1rj

3 ай бұрын

@@brandonking1342 a true French drain in a lawn is to capture underground water before it gets to the surface. I’d say 95% of the French drains we have installed have top soil on top with inlets as needed. Leaving the stone exposed will lead to clogging over time.

@ralphbennett6698

3 ай бұрын

This would be another example of incorrect installation

@Mr.Z1776

3 ай бұрын

This looks like the same property another video showed the contractor putting in a french drain along the fence. Is this the same guy?

I love it when contractors think they are geniuses only to expose themselves somewhere else 😂

@ChasOnErie

3 ай бұрын

Yup… way too shallow !!!!

@theSparkyWatts

3 ай бұрын

@@ChasOnErieno, many French drains are done even at less than one foot. I’ve done hundreds and 99% of time have amazing results at 12”. A lot of variables but this yard seems pretty straightforward

@1texasminer

3 ай бұрын

@@theSparkyWatts Does this have to work like a trench where there has to be a constant slope to a lower point to shed the water at the end at some point, or does this just primarily depend upon the perforated pipe to shed the water into the soil?

@Z_ROOSTER

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂😂 right??? This week looks 👍 Turn around tomorrow and well🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

@dalecomanici7568

2 ай бұрын

Just top 4/5 inches so grass's will grow

If you knew the dirt wasn’t going back in, you should’ve tarp the grass, which would make the pick up easier, which is directly related to labor cost. Just saying.

@kbtred51

3 ай бұрын

why leave the dirt, just wheel it away

@DanTheMan-gj8dy

3 ай бұрын

@@kbtred51if you put the dirt on a strip of tarp, you can just pickup the tarp and roll that out. Saves time and stops dirt from getting all over the lawn.

@jimmysapien9961

2 ай бұрын

Cheap Labor will get it - create jobs 👍🏻

Never install corrugated pipe for french drain !

@intruder217ESmith

3 ай бұрын

This

@floydhennessey8702

3 ай бұрын

What do you use?? Just asking for myself. I want to add one for my property

@Hillsidelanscapemanagement

3 ай бұрын

​@@floydhennessey8702we use 4"PVC

@alexcarswell4697

3 ай бұрын

They make double-walled and single walled hdpe 4-inch and 6-inch corrugated pipe for French drains. To say this is the biggest mistake drainage contractors make when they're making a French drain says they're not legitimate drainage contractors. They are just jack legs who don't know what they're doing. Any reputable drainage contractor would never put dirt inside of a French drain that is so ridiculous to even suggest.

@davidmikolaj9319

3 ай бұрын

At least 1/2" holes

"I'm an expert, just ask me and I will confirm that fact." 😂

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

😂

Putting the dirt back in is the least of his worries!

@CraigGrant-sh3in

3 ай бұрын

Where I live that drain would be on top of the ground in about a year and a half

@dcraexon

3 ай бұрын

all that work and it’s too shallow Probably be back in five years

@thecallow2381

3 ай бұрын

Whens he goong to take it back out and set it deeper?😂

@dcraexon

3 ай бұрын

@@thecallow2381 thats the worst leech line ever 🤣 feed the snails

@genez2043

3 ай бұрын

For sure!! I’ve laid pipe deeper in my bedroom😂

This guy is about as smart as the tennis racket

@RaymondYocum-uw5hd

Ай бұрын

As a tennis racket, I resent that!

That is so Shallow. And close to the surface

@CA_AZ

3 ай бұрын

That's how they do it, man out there ....pipes are like a 6 inches in the ground lmao 😂 I know this cuz my wife is from the midwest ...people always hitting pipes with lawn mowers ! WTH haha

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

16 inches?

@cumshot247

3 ай бұрын

@@h2oslandscaping That's what she said...😧

@Cantspeakable

3 ай бұрын

I mean slope is slope. You don’t get to choose where the water has to go most of the time

@mikejungferman4744

3 ай бұрын

Not in the USA

That’s was crazy. Just put pvc pipe back in. Then cement the cup links so to keep the roots from getting back into the pipe. Cover with some sand and then replace the dirt. That’s what I did to my driveway drain. Works great with all the rain we been having. Used a 4inch drain pipe.

@petergambino2129

2 ай бұрын

"cup links"?

So now I’ve got a long brown streak in my yard, like a giant dog dragged its ass across my yard.

@f.miller9522

3 ай бұрын

Look up pictures of what folks have done. Think of a narrow and long river rock stream that takes the water away from the house but looks really nice.

@jckdnls9292

2 ай бұрын

Nah, fill it up and put grass on it.

@freebird7284

2 ай бұрын

i have that now

@f.miller9522

2 ай бұрын

You place the dirt on something that you can drag away after you dig. Or it goes straight into a wheel barrel.

@raysure1345

Ай бұрын

This is bs

In the meantime, there's millions of acres of farmland, tiled with clay tile and noodle pipe, no rock at all.. just dirt. Has worked fine for hundreds of years. Some still working well, over 100 years old.

@f.miller9522

3 ай бұрын

Well, many of us wouldn't find that setup attractive.

@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin

3 ай бұрын

@@f.miller9522 would that be because you don't like farming, or just like to spend a lot more money and time filling it with rock, that will most likely plug up in ten years??

@f.miller9522

3 ай бұрын

@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin I think we may be speaking of different things. I'm sorry.

@GosselinFarmsEdGosselin

3 ай бұрын

@@f.miller9522 ah, sorry for the misunderstanding. Thank you!

It also compromises the situation for your drainage line to go down and back up😅

The outlet goes to a corner of the fence. Yikes😂.

@unkulwilly

3 ай бұрын

neighbors are gonna be pissed!

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Storm Drain running under fence.

@benbohannon

3 ай бұрын

Don’t ask. Don’t tell.

@Belly_dunlapd_ophermuhgenes

3 ай бұрын

Straight to karens house.

@jasonswingle1880

3 ай бұрын

They paid to the corner and that's all they'll get.

That’s what the filter fabric is for. Some of the drainage I’ve installed is running strong with dirt in it. The key is to make sure the cavity of your French drain is filled properly with drain rock and wrapped in a burrito style format. Dirt will not get in.

I am happy the neighbor does not wind up with all the water, leading to a hit upside head with the shivel

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Yes ma'am

I used schedule 40 pvc. I can drive heavy equipment over and putting the dirt back over. It was no problem.

@robertbernard651

3 ай бұрын

Dirt seeps into the pipe and impedes drainage is the reason to use only rck

@seekingfurtherlight34

3 ай бұрын

​@@robertbernard651bro, he said he uses pvc. No dirts getting in there

@tomaslopez4799

3 ай бұрын

I did the same , just put rock and then the pvc and more rock over the pvc then plastic and then you put the dirt over that.

@GodmadeTexas

3 ай бұрын

​@@robertbernard651 Reading skills needed..

@haydennoble9253

3 ай бұрын

@@robertbernard651What kind of plastic bag PVC do you use?

You Don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever seen a farm tile installed. They work just fine and you cover them with dirt. There's been millions of acres tiled this way and it drained the entire pothole prairies of the entire Midwest and that's exactly how it was done covering them with dirt. You absolutely don't know what you're talking about.

We have been doing drainage since the early 80s. And we don't get callbacks. We trench it about 1 ft, put sock wrap drain line and basins in, and bury it with the dirt. No gravel, waste of money and time. It works perfectly. The big thing is, zero callbacks and no water issues. We also always run the downspouts to our drain lines. If it's a lot of water, we double up the 4 in sock wrap. One on top the other.

@generalwrecking

3 ай бұрын

You’re doing it wrong

@XInfantryman

3 ай бұрын

@generalwrecking yeah sure. No call backs since 1984. Whatever

@Cooscoop

3 ай бұрын

Lol

Ha! The company who did my yard didn’t put the dirt back in, now I have a brown line in my yard where the grass died because there isn’t fertile soil. ..you’re the expert though 😂😂😂

NEVER GET OUT OF THE BOAT

"Never go full rock", Tropic Thunder

@teafoster5643

3 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

The way i ran mine i cut a "V" just tall enough to get drain 3 " below surface and only 8" wide at top. Then dropped drain in and covered to ground level with rocks. The grass from the sides grew over the rocks so the drain is not visible and nothing will ever stop up drain. Also the rain water instantly gets down to drain

Bigger mistake is using single wall ads pipe.

Thank you! I’m putting in a French drain this weekend in my backyard in Florida, it floods my kids playing space, I’m glad I seen this video ❤

Do you think it's because they don't understand or do you think it's because they're saving money😂😂😂😂

Thank you, Captain Obvious!! 😆

@petergethins-rm1rj

3 ай бұрын

Lol

@ChristopherTeague-cs8vg

3 ай бұрын

That's good advice. It sounds like any body would know this, but obviously some don't. Gravel drains really well. Think about where you see warning ⚠️ labels, and what they say. It just shows how dumb people are nowadays.

Grass won't grow on drain rocks!!!

@snypavisuals

3 ай бұрын

They fold the fabric over the rock and put a few inches of dirt back in so it can be sodded

@darylbeyers2719

3 ай бұрын

A few inches ain’t enough. Turf roots go down a foot or more. That strip will dry and die.

@mikeo8890

3 ай бұрын

@@darylbeyers2719 a foot is asking a lot, I say min 4 to 6 inches

@jackgoeman1098

3 ай бұрын

​@@darylbeyers2719way off bud

@AlexGarcia-SS13NK

3 ай бұрын

@@darylbeyers2719a foot ? Bro what ? lol

Exactly 💯% Right! I Did It Right At Dad's House Many Years Ago, And NO Problems Since!

And you my sir are wrong, the dirt is the least of your worries😂😂

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

?

No kidding. You are a rocket scientist

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

PHD FROM 🚀 COLLEGE

I did for my 50ft french drain… I even sodded over it also… I also used solid piping with holes drilled on bottom side… that was 10 years ago… still works and looks great… you wouldn’t even know there is a drain there.

There's one other detail to protect the integrity of the perforated pipe. The contractor sock, which is a fine, elastic nylon mesh sleeve, allows water to pass through, but stops dust and debris, which washes off the sheer fabric, so there is no eventual clogging . Then the gravel goes in, just as the narrator said. The effect is as he said. That gravel helps displace so less water can fill the ditch, so soaking is even less possible, and so velocity is dulled so it can enter the holes in the tube. One of those at the edge of the yard, and one to protect the foundation, solved a puddle problem at our house, 20 years and going strong.

It depends what kind of soil you are draining. Farmers systematically tile miles of field tile with 100% dirt backfill and it works. Depends on the application.

Rule number 1 never install a French drain 😂

@ericf8453

3 ай бұрын

They never work and are a total waste of money! Proper grading is the only solution.

@-Nick-T

3 ай бұрын

i built miles of it for sewage treatment, gotta lay a helluva base, riverrock and peagravel for them to perform and use super rigied 4" with 1/4 buble run 1/2"hole pipe and cleanouta every so often. can work!

@jeffhall768

3 ай бұрын

​@@-Nick-TI prefer grading to all of that unless absolutely necessary. Also, homeowners never want to pay that kind of money for a drain to be done right. They just want a pipe in the ground 😂

Personally I use drainage tile that has plastic netting over it so it keeps the dirt from going into the drain pipe

Biggest mistake contractors make in french drain installation is using the black corrugated plastic pipe. Do everyone a favor and build it properly with perforated PVC. And for god’s sake, go about a foot below the ground at least. Two simple steps will prevent someone like me from testifying against people like you when this thing fails, and they do fail, and you end up in litigation.

The same issue stands true when you’re backfilling a home. You’re not supposed to backfill a basement using the dirt that was originally there. It’s supposed to be clear rock. Yet, almost all contractors will that code and just use dirt as backfill, which in my opinion is fraudulent, that’s why, if you were having a home built, you need to stop in every day and look at what the contractors are doing because they will build an inferior product to save a few dollars and make the homeowners suffer the consequences later. I’ve seen it in person.

We always use, #57 river rock. From bottom to top. That is the proper application

@dalevackar182

3 ай бұрын

Yes. Never limestone like this guy is using.

@Mike_Jones68

3 ай бұрын

​@@dalevackar182yeah I was thinking that wash rock would also clog up the drainage system. I am not familiar with this type of system so I wouldn't really know

@peterparker9286

3 ай бұрын

Crushed Rock the stuff they use for Septic Drain Feild #57

@dalevackar182

3 ай бұрын

@@peterparker9286 Washed pee gravel slash river or creek rock. Never limestone. Limestone is mined not dredged.

So if you're not going to put that dirt back in, why not just remove it as your excavator? Seems like we make your job a little easier

True,, he's telling you the truth...

Yes it is amazing that 98% of waterproofing contractors do not correct the problem in which they were hired, they charge a kings ransom and still the problem exists, I think most people that get into waterproofing think they will be overnight millionaires, nothing could be further from the truth, why? Most are franchises, so the person buying into the franchise is doing so as an investment, they know nothing about correcting water problems

He’s full of it. Farmers use 4” tile pipe all the time in areas that flood to keep the area plowable and the trench is filled back in

@TimeSurfer206

2 ай бұрын

What works fine on the farm might not be aesthetic enough to please the wife.

Rock on top then red rosin paper then dirt!

@user-vs2qm2mp1k

3 ай бұрын

" red rosin paper"??

First that pipe is the worst. Second the filter cloth will clog and fail. Third the diet always goes back and meter causes an issue if you do it correctly. I've need doing this for 10yrs.

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

🫡

And remember, the holes go on the bottom

@danielmorrison8119

3 ай бұрын

Depending on Area. In wet areas stone goes down, Holes up and plastic on top then dirt fill.

@user-cy5ol3xl5y

3 ай бұрын

@danielmorrison8119 always on the bottone above the fill rock

@danielmorrison8119

3 ай бұрын

Not in the Pacific NW. Code is opposite too on drains. Due to water levels in the soil being that it is a rain forest.

3/4 drain rock or class 2 permeable

I had Central Penn Waterproofing do my waterproofing, family owned, family run!!! They came in did exactly what they said they were going to do…we had a hurricane come through 9 days after the work completed and we did not have a drop of water on the floor….they also have done most of my neighbors basement waterproofing, they too have dry basements

@mattlarew2100

3 ай бұрын

this is just a diversion system to help solve a soggy backyard A true French drain needs to be dug down around the footing of your homes foundation so that as the ground water level gets to that point....water will take the path of least resistance.....so it will fill up the perforated pvc pipe, holes facing down, and wrapped in landscape fabric with 3/4 clean stone surrounding the pit and covering the pipe about 6" all the way around....then waterproof the foundation exterior and backfill. The drain pipe should be run either to a low, draining area on YOUR property, or straight to the curb at the street and let it run to the twsp sewer system.

That tile looks like a roller coaster 😂

How do you hide it and grow grass?

@nathanbynum3504

3 ай бұрын

Make sure to cover pipe in stone. Fold the fabric over. Essentially wrapping the stone to separate dirt from clogging the stone. Really should have 4 inches to flush up top soil. I could be wrong but that's what I was taught

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Check today's video

@iq6840

3 ай бұрын

@@h2oslandscaping k

@iq6840

3 ай бұрын

@@h2oslandscaping I bought a acre and a half parcel and i want to get drainage nipped in the bud before I build.

I thought the idea behind a French drain is to lay the perforated piping on pea gravel so the water seeps into the ground slowly? If there is plastic under it it won't.

@odomn

3 ай бұрын

You have it backwards. The water seeps into the pipe, then the pipe drains it away. If the water could seep into the ground, you wouldn't need a french drain. Also, that fabric is not plastic, it is water permeable and just keeps dirt from clogging the drain.

I don't think they see it as a. mistake but of a way of saving money because most people don't know and the contractors take advantage of the home owner, thanks for putting this information out there.

100% correct. I used to work for a pool company and you would be astounded at the amount of homeowners who knew what they were doing, literally would pay tens of thousands just to have it redone the right way. I'm only saying Hey, KZread and Google are here for a reason, ......use them....😂😂😂😂

Funny that you would use that type of pipe, if you have to drive semi heavy equipment over sections , set aside money to repair the collapsed sections.

@snypavisuals

3 ай бұрын

It’s not normal corrugated pipe he has talked about it before

@ConservativeDad24

3 ай бұрын

Just put a sheet or 2 of plywood down and drive over it.

French drains are not designed for run off control… THAT is the biggest mistake a contractor makes… and a homeowner falling for that lie is the second biggest mistake

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

?

@davidwilliams-qm2lm

3 ай бұрын

@@h2oslandscaping french drains are designed to deal with sub-irrigation problems .. and remove standing water, swales and trench drains are designed to channel water away from structures…. First-year erosion control

@cadillac8597

3 ай бұрын

Do you put the dirt on top of French drain after you wrap the fabric over the rocks? So the grass has somewhere to grow?

@davidwilliams-qm2lm

3 ай бұрын

@@h2oslandscaping do you know the difference between a french drain and a trench drain??? Trench drains are designed for immediate runoff control, french drains are designed for soil saturation problems

@davidwilliams-qm2lm

3 ай бұрын

@@cadillac8597 you should study up on whether you need a french drain to keep sub-irrigation problems away from your foundation or maybe you just need your yard graded to channel the run-off away

Who did that job of digging dirt out? Could have removed it now have go destroy and grass shoveling it out smart.

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

We do all ours by hand. No machines. So this is the fastest way.

@cameronanderson6006

Ай бұрын

@@h2oslandscapinglazy, wheel it to a trailer do you don’t fuck up the yard dummy.

It is because that dirt that was removes is cheaper than the gravel. Both homeowners and contractors are doing this to save money. A contractor can try to persuade the homeowner to do it the right way..but they have to do what the homeowner wants. Their house..their money. You also have contractors doing the work without the homeowner watching them. The owner leaves for the day and comes back with the job done...not knowing that the contractor put dirt instead of rock. The owner got charged for rock but the contractor just pockets the money instead.

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

😮 no way! 😢

Up to a point. You ALWAYS want some top soil over the drain to allow a natural top, typically grass, to grow back over. But then what do I know? As a 50+ year engineer, I've designed and built a few....

Any decent drainage contractors don't put the soil/clay back in 🙄

@takeastandorbeenslavedby-left

3 ай бұрын

Seen it too many times

Yeah that’s not a French drain.

@rexrexrex992

3 ай бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

@Elite244

26 күн бұрын

Thats buried plastic trash, a fake lawn, someone else's problem in 50-100 years

Learned something new thanks

An excavation contractor friend of mine said he argued with a homeowner after digging up his foundation, putting in new French drain. Customer insisted the backfill would be the dirt that came out of the hole. He said fine but you're going to sign a release of liability because when water is wicked into that dirt alongside the foundation and when it collapses I'm not responsible.. Customer said how many tons of gravel will I need??😮

@cumshot247

3 ай бұрын

I'm no expert, but I don't see why dirt on top of the pipeline, will make it collapse.

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

😂

@Teele424

3 ай бұрын

There are holes in PVC french drain. By using dirt for your back fill it wouldn't be long before your new French drain would be plugged up and you would have the same mess you had in the first place. (Basement flooding, standing water in your yard.) ❤

@cumshot247

3 ай бұрын

@@Teele424 Thanks, that explains it... I didn't know there were holes. I used a solid 4" PVC and it worked fine.👍

Correct pea gravel works great

All they are doing by using stone is using the full trench as a path for the water to run in. They can't get the slope needed to handle the water the right way so you just add rock so you have more holding capacity in the trench then if you just had soil on top. All you are doing is giving the surface water a place to go to slower drain away.

@BrooksBarker-jj9pn

3 ай бұрын

THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE

A shallow drainage system like that would freeze in my neck of the woods, dig deeper, surround with rock, then soil.

I miss doing French drains. I always laid the dirt on plywood made it easier to scoop into a wheel barrow, and it looks nice when finished.

3/8 crushed rock 🫡

My brother used sdr 35 on my basement downspout years ago has never drained better. F that corrugated bs

That's a glorified curtain drain . Put the spoils on the down hill side for a slight berm . Stone the water shed area w/ a min. dirt cover & once you pass the shedding area , the tail line can be back filled w/ dirt to the outlet . Less dirt removal & less stone to be purchased. Also, a socked tile could help save in the procedure of installing fabric , where needed.

@silkyb-love

3 ай бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself

Originally there wasn’t pipe used in French drain the trench full of wash gravel was enough to channel the water else where. Sometimes they my have used some wood planks to line the trench before gravel

Pipe should be in the bottom. It'll still work somewhat for a while like this because the rock has airspace for water to occupy but you want your pipe to be in the bottom of the hole with the stone on top. You want the water to flow down through the rock, into the pipe, then out the end of the pipe. If the pipe is on top of rock, the water has to fill in to reach the same level as the pipe in order to flow out. So you've got an underground puddle and the groundwater level cannot drop as deep. Leave enough room for 4-8 inches of topsoil over top of the pipe. You don't want all of the dirt to go back in of course but Any less than 4 inches can result in a strip of dead grass during dry periods, and doesn't provide much buffer between the installation and any future marker stakes, tires from equipment driving through the yard, digging for e-collar fences for dogs, ect.

This is what a company did. Now, my asphalted front yard flowing. Worst ever.

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Done wrong

Happily I had a smart contractor who did my French drain correctly!

Absolutely. Not the jerk can go back in if you put it deep enough, you have the pipe weighing on top of the ground basically. When it gets hot and sunny That moisture is gonna suck right out of the ground and all the grass is gonna die. I'm definitely not gonna put concrete back on there.

Same with wooden fence posts. Put concrete just above the soil in a dome shape. The post will rot out within three years if you put the dirt back into the hole. Trust me on this one.

@nickalasd.1091

3 ай бұрын

Your so wrong it's hilarious. Did specifically wood and vinyl fences for years. Haven't had 1 post rot within 15 years using treated lumber. Other than some cedar.

@label1877

3 ай бұрын

I helped a neighbor install a 400 foot wooden fence in ‘83. I dipped the bottom of each post in burnt motor oil, then applied boric acid. Neighbor is no longer living but that fence looks good today.

@CraigGrant-sh3in

3 ай бұрын

The lime in the concrete is going to eat your fence . You never put wood in concrete

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Good to know. Thanks

@Barneyrubble241

3 ай бұрын

LOL. I have wood fence posts that were put in 30 years ago and haven't rotted yet. Didn't even mix the concrete. Just poured it in the hole around the post and filled it with water, then packed dirt around it. It's held up for 30 years.

Looking great!!!!

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Also, can you plant shallow rooting turf grass over the drain? That would mean some dirt on the top of the liner. But not in it or around the drainage pipe. I live in the PNW and it rains hard, all of the time and the soil isn’t the greatest so I’m highly contemplating installing one. I humbly appreciate any help anybody can give me!

I saw some drainge contractors, who say never to use corrugated flex pipe instead of pvc. "That is one of the biggest mistake. If you use flex pipe you are compromising all hard work and the money spent" 😂

Oh man… using the forbidden corrugated pipe. Yikessssss

Customer THEN says after you've left LEFT THEM a path of 🪨🪨🪨🪨🪨 they didnt ASK for : " I want the GRASS put back in... I never asked you for a rock pathway, my dog's gonna knock all these rocks around all over the place... and my lawn mower is NOT going to like this EITHER‼️🤷🏽‍♂️‼️ NOW WHAT, guy ?

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Check today's video

In a French drain, yes. A pvc system would be backfilled

57 stone soil mat then dirt. I put in 200” and a french drain pump at my house this way 3 years ago. Works great.

One of the biggest mistakes I see contractors doing is using corrugated pipe for a drain. I’ll be digging your useless drain up in about 2-4 years and be replacing it with pvc. The sand and silt will sit in his piping and roots will start to grow that pipe is not serviceable without damaging it. I’m probably half this guys age and do better drains than this. Corrugated drain pipe is the absolute the worst material to use for drains I understand in some cases it’s needed but only as a last resort.

There’s so many mistakes this contractor has made while trying to educate people 🤦

ive used socks with this type of perforated drain pipe installed behind stone retaining walls , this will make it last a few more years as eventually dirt and soil will filter down through the gravel. French drains i used a schedule C pipe with holes on the bottom side of the pipe , it works quite well and is the original definition of a French Drain.

Contractors of my landscape drains never socked the piping or used gravel below and above. I’ve got a couple hundred feet to open up and re do…

Don’t ever did a French drain. Period. It’s all wrong. Just don’t do it.

It's that deep enough !? It looks like you could have just laid it on the grass... 🤣🤣🤣 Well... No more tent ⛺ playing in the back kids !

Never have I ever seen a French drain filled in with dirt. The outdoor kitchen I know, the entire floor was a French drain.

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Right

Great idea....put a line of rock through the middle of your lawn. Use the dirt.

Fill up with rock within 6 inches of the top and then dirt on the top 6 inches. That way you can grow grass. The water will filter through the dirt through the fabric and into the pipe. Master plumber here and I’ve done many of those don’t do them any other way you’ll be doing it wrong if you do

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

Exactly

I’ve built a French drain all around my house. It drained to the curb by the last few feet exiting through a newly bored hole in the curb. Luckily, a guy was going street to street offering his services with the concrete auger at a reasonable $100. Took him like 10 minutes. That completed the drain and helped stop the 2 story house from sinking after increasingly more record rains. I applied this system to our apartment buildings and taught a friend how to save her 4plex. It’s amazing that apparently no builders install this critical system in new homes.

I see that all the time in Georgia. No pea pebbles on top. They just burying it, and put dirt back on top, and wonder why it clogs!

somebody always trying to sell me a French drain. It's not my thing. For example, you could've made a nice earth berm between the house, and that low spot, you could've planted grass in there, instead of a drain. Because 10 times to 100 times more water can flow over the surface than through that tiny little line. I'm talking about preparing for hurricanes, not a little spring shower you have to contour of the Earth.

@h2oslandscaping

3 ай бұрын

I definitely agree! Dry river beds over plastic any day. Work with what God gave us, 😂 not install synthetic

Wow it’s an enlightenment all hail this guy!!!❤❤❤🎉

Always use whatever you can charge the customer the MOST for. Then cart off their dirt to use it on a different job!