“Everyone went to a spritzer” Italy: *hides in the corner*

@astridvallati4762

2 жыл бұрын

So did The Netherlands, and Greece.

@MrXxHunter

Жыл бұрын

@@justforever96 Point blanc shooting range. You don’t have to adjust your sight by so much compared to a round nosed bullet. It makes shooting way easier for the average soldier that isn’t a superb marksman.

@LeMeowAu

Жыл бұрын

​@@MrXxHunter bro let him figure out it needs to be pointy, not round, because round is like a dick and make enemy smile and laugh

@MrXxHunter

Жыл бұрын

@@LeMeowAu True

I've never seen a wall socket so high up before. Fascinating.

@ryanwilson_canada

3 жыл бұрын

I can beat that. My basement wall sockets are about 6.5' up the wall. Lol, the builder got lazy and didn't frame the foundation, so just put them up above ground level where the house is framed.

@myparceltape1169

3 жыл бұрын

@@ryanwilson_canada It will take a lot of floodwater to short your circuit.

@ryanwilson_canada

3 жыл бұрын

9ft of water if that happens I have other issues lol

@KB-5.Feldartillerie-Regiment

3 жыл бұрын

Must be French

@BopLouie

3 жыл бұрын

@Edgar Cairo stupid message

Paper packets tied up with string?...This is one of my favorite things.

@iskandartaib

4 жыл бұрын

GREY paper packages tied up with string. It wasn't so long ago that the post office would not accept parcels unless they were tied up with string.

@iskandartaib

4 жыл бұрын

@Mack Sarnie Except in The Sound of Music the packages were brown.

@iskandartaib

4 жыл бұрын

@Mack Sarnie I don't think so.

@george2113

Жыл бұрын

There was a time when you could ship children by us mail/postal

Note for anyone trying to reload 8mm Lebel: Do not try to full length size a 8mm Lebel cartridge. The chambers are oversized and will fireform the cartridge. Full sizing will overstretch the brass and drastically reduce case life (as well as require pesky trimming). Just use the neck sizer and reserve those cartridges for their specific guns.

Is there some kind of KZread award for the most civil comment section? Forgotten Weapons has seriously got to be one of the best.

@NewEnglandLyle

4 жыл бұрын

An armed society is a polite society.. haha

@RememberPele

3 жыл бұрын

Shut the fuck up tom

"...logistically inferior..." Perfect phrase, perfect description.

"That translates into my ammunition falling over."

@kmawnster

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@bobbertgrobbert4

3 жыл бұрын

"Sacre bleu! Mon ammunition! Elle a fait!"

I always wondered why French used giant clips for their machine guns, instead of belts.

@exploatores

7 жыл бұрын

Me too, I don´t think magazines is a good Idea on a MG and a clip is even worst.

@jackandersen1262

5 жыл бұрын

tisFrancesfault there weren’t any metal belts. The cloth belts are quite sensitive to temperature and humidity (unlike the metal clips), the belts can be linked while the gun is firing, and when using the guns as a team one does not experience a significant loss in fire sustainability. Still the French will develop linked strips for aerial and tank use during WW1.

@TheGearhead222

5 жыл бұрын

The 8mm Lebel has a horrible case design, which does not lend itself well to feeding, besides being a rimmed round. Still, it was the first commercially successful smokeless powder round, and this changed MANY things in WWI, including uniform color, believe it or not!-John in Texas

@MrReded69

3 жыл бұрын

The funny thing is the Hotchkiss company had a single link metallic belt as an option as early as 1896 but most buyers found it too expensive to buy or produce on their own.

@rogainegaming6924

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheGearhead222 it really does continue to amaze me just how fucking HORRIBLE the 8mm lebel was. I'm not sure that there is a worse caliber out there actually adopted as the primary round for a military like the Lebel was

Wrapped up in paper tied up with string, this is one of Ian's favorite things!

brown paper packages tied up with string, these are a few of my favorite things

@lumox7

6 жыл бұрын

When the dog bites , when the bee stings, when I'm feeling sad. I simply remember my favorite things. And the I don't fell so bad.

@lumox7

6 жыл бұрын

I don't feel so bad neither.

So.....the French literally used M16 rifles in WW1. Pretty cool.

@benjamin1139

3 жыл бұрын

👍🤣😂😂

@murphy7801

3 жыл бұрын

And won

The ball D ammo looks so elegant, almost artistic.

This is the first time I've posted a comment on your show but I just have to say how much I enjoyed this video !!!! Really ! I learnt so much in just 18 minutes !! This is why a became a patron supporter!! Love the show, love the content, love the history ! Thank you Ian & team

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Oh man, really hoping you guys end up doing more ammunition videos like this. Thanks for the content.

Native english speakers trying to say something french is one of the best things to ear when you're a native french speaker, Ian will always make me giggle with his pronouciation! Awesome video!

Great French Ammunition collection Ian!😀🔫🗼🇫🇷

I never had an appreciation for French rifles until I started watching your videos, Ian. Thankyou for the education.

@danemon8423

Жыл бұрын

maybe cause everybody prefer looking and remembering only bad french rifle just like people only remember french loss in ww2

@fort809

Жыл бұрын

@@danemon8423 there’s a reason that loss gets remembered, it was pretty damn embarrassing lol

@danemon8423

Жыл бұрын

@@fort809 who lost against rice farmers?

@YounesBoussouar-su7qk

2 ай бұрын

@danemon8423 bro's been quiet since this dropped

@OrtadragoonX

Ай бұрын

@@danemon8423 the US and the French and the Japanese.

We cannot have a world leader that can count to ten backwards, and yet you comfortably share an immense amount of information without a teleprompter or cue cards. Unbelievable! I really enjoy learning from you. You are like that one teacher that you remember and or cared about from school. :)

That problem with 8x57 in the 7.5x58mm chamber reminds me of an article I read about 30 years ago, in Guns & Ammo, I think, about a guy who managed to chamber a round of .250 Savage in a .243 chamber and blow up his pre-64 Model 70. About a year ago I had the opportunity to pick up a very nice Ruger M77 in .250 Savage for $450 but I passed on it, because if I owned it, I'd spend the rest of my waking life worrying about accidentally chambering a .250 in my.243.

Great overview. More stuff like this, please.

Ian's marketing scheme for French firearms has got me all hyped up looking for a Lebel Rifle to get haha

Can't remember exactly when it was but those Hotchkiss feed strips (with the accompanying rounds of 8mm Lebel) were common at gun shows. And coincidentally, at the same time similar Hotchkiss strips of 7.7 Arisaka were also available. I ended up with a strip of the Arisaka ammunition, it came is some sort of hard cardboard case.

When the Ian uploads a video, and the subject isn't guns~ That's AMMORE~

Thanks ian for putting such effort in describing french firearms :) keep up the good work, as a frenchman, it teaches me much !

Thanks for the video on the French ammunition. Always looking forward to your videos that cover ammunition in more than passing detail.

Thank you Ian for taking something that I was ambivalent about (French bolt actions) and making it very interesting.

@johnharvey5412

7 жыл бұрын

Burning Spork of Doom I echo this sentiment

@gixxerfixxer4159

6 жыл бұрын

Daniel Allan I got interested when watching The Mummy (1999). I was really interested in those WW1 era french firearms. The movie had the 1886 Lebel rifle and 1873 Chamelot-Delivgne revolver (Brendan Fraser looked so badass dual wielding those things).

Thank you for putting the time into making these videos. They are well presented and informative.

Don't you mean WW1 (not 2) at around 6:00 when talking about ball D? Anyway great vid as usual

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, I did.

another great video! thanks, i never new how much innovation the french were putting into their bullets.

I love to see this kind of content on your channel. I enjoy the way you explain the 'dry' basics behind stuff like the absolut chaos the French ammunition poses.

Of all the gun bloggers I have watched, you are by far the best spoken and most knowledgeable I have seen.

These cartridge discussions are fantastic!

Another great vid Ian! So watchable!!

While you were working through the history of the rifles I was thinking that you needed to do a video on the history of the ammo. Did not disappoint. Thanks, Ian!

This was very interesting and informative, thank you Ian.

Anyone else love the look of older round nosed early smokeless and black powder cartridges

Thank you very buch Iaan for this!! My dad "had" a couple of 8mm lebel berthier and never much ammo. Lately ive been hunting for ammo and didnt know anything about lebel, this video has helped me a ton!!! Thanks for pointing out PPU 8x50R lebel ammo and specs between N and D. I literally just saw 2 boxes of these at my local gun store but didnt buy them because of uncertainty. You just cleared up my confusion!

Wow. Thanks Ian!

Eggs toast and forgotten weapons, the best way to start your day

@secretbaguette

3 жыл бұрын

🎶The best part of waking up🎶

I looked at the video name and was like 'how the hell do you make an 18.5 minute video about nothing but two rifle cartridges?' At the end of the video I'm still glued to the screen... Good job as always, Ian. You manage to make nearly forgotten trivia about obscure details intriguing and exciting. Hats off.

As a Cartridge collector I've been hoping for Ian to do a video on cartridges!... Awesome

Interesting history behind this cartridge, had no idea it had that much development and changes.

Excellent presentation.

Kako zanimljiv video. Svaka čast

Very interesting videos, Ian . I did not know some of these details. Seriously 7.5× 54 was a excellent cartridge.

Love this channel

the content just gets better as Forgotten Weapons progresis. Thanks.

Great info again. Thanks Ian.

Absolutely love the 8mm lebel!

I really appreciate this video on cartridge development. Do you think you may do such a thing again in the future? I certainly would love more like this.

Thanks for using metric too

PPU, making all the fun stuff.

Superb info.

Perfect Video on this kind of french cartrigde, no bad for the prononciation and impressing an American who is interested in something other than 5.56M16

I guess the French actually had something in common with the Austrians back then; brown paper packages tied up with string were things that they both considered a favourite.

Thank you for your videos on the Berthier rifle and this one for its ammo. I have my father's Berthier (never known it to be fired and I am 55) and just dug it out of my closet. It is a "Delaunay Belleville Mle 1907-15 (EDB 1917)" with "N" stampings. While the rifle 100% needs a cleaning I think it is intact. I removed the bolt, the firing pin and spring - they all appear to be in good order. Granted before even trying to fire a round I'll take it to a proper gunsmith so they can professionally inspect and clean it. I think I should be able to find one of those here in Texas 😉 Anyways, I got to wondering "what ammo" and this video is super awesome and I loved how you showed the Prvi Partizan ammo box ❤

It says a lot for Ian that I don't shoot, also I'm unlikely to ever shoot a WW1 French rifle, and on top of that I'm unlikely to buy ammunition for my rifle that I don't own, and YET I can happily sit and watch an 18 minute long video about French cartridges of the late 19th / early 20th century. Not only that, but I enjoyed it.

@petesampson4273

6 жыл бұрын

Ian is one of the very best commentators on KZread. I think I would enjoy listening to him read a laundry list or a recipe for "instant water". BTW. I have the best recipe for instant water. It goes something like... "Take empty vessel. Fill with clean, cool, water. Season to taste then drink." My recipe sounds silly but Ian could make it epic!

I've got 100 rounds of boxer primed 7.5 MAS factory ammo and reloading dies to reload it ....... now I just need to acquire a MAS 36. Nothing weird about that, right?

Now this is my jam ammunition history ASMR 10/10

Enciclopedico ed esaustivo. as usual

Great ibfo. I didn't realize there were quite so many versions of the 8x50. The 7.5 is an excellent modern cartridge. I got bit by the MAS 49/56 bug awhile back, so now i want one. I think we can have them in Kali, although the grenade launcher sights would probably have to come off. Great round though, with very usable ballistics. Great video as always. Thank you

@andrewgates8158

Жыл бұрын

Not the sight. The spigot or spigot sleeve.

Sounds like Ian is learning French :)

Good one Ian. Keep up the WW1 stuff. Vietnam War-era and Cold War stuff appreciated too.

Hello very nice video ^^ Maybe you forgot to say that balle D have one major inovation : a boat tail

Great post. Let's have more ammo history. Peace and thanks.

Several times he missed an opportunity to call the paper packages tied with string one of his favorite things.

17:37 I think the French army kept using the 7.5 in their FRF1 for quite some times after they had the FA-MAS.

@lephaytheo3098

3 жыл бұрын

Your right but technically speaking it it was use by the gendarmerie not by the regular army

Ian-Great video as always. Didn't the French also perfect the jacketed round? Remember reading that awhile back. John in Texas

More videos on different ammunution types adopted by militaries around the world would be cool.

Désaleux, that's a hard one. Roughly phonetized in English : Dayzalu. Thanks for all that content as usual, higly interesting ! Why don't you pop by Belgium one of these days, FN's still running proud and there's still is a very renown arms manufacturer's school in Liège. That and the beer, cheese and chocolate of course, but that comes without saying !

I just shot our 1886 Lebel for the first time this weekend. It shoots better than almost any gun we have. 10 rounds, 100 yards, every single shot of mine inside the 8 ring after my dad shot his 10 and gave me a basic idea of where to aim. It shoots high, like every military gun we own.

Gun Jesus as always answers more questions than where ever asked!

It was captain Desaleux, and the 8mm Lebel balle D was the first spitzer bullet in the world.

Ian - You have any interest in .30-06 military cartridges made in France for the M1 Garands/Browning MGs we gave them? I have a large collection of various headstamps. Not well thought of ammo I have absolutely no intention of ever firing it.

Very informative, Ian. Have you done or considered a similar video on the different ammunition used by the Japanese?

Really nice to have a bit of Hotchkiss

We found a bunch of the unsued 1936 versions in our shed in France. The N stamp on the round is now clear, thanks. Lastly my idiot BIL proudly announced to all our local friends they were 303s- he got the hump when I point out his obvious mistake.

PPU factory is next town over for me so if you want i can hook you up

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Tell them to start making 7.65mm French Long! :)

@LeFeuauxpoudres

7 жыл бұрын

Tell them that it's impossible to find today in France! and impossible to import :/

Brown paper packages tied up with string, these are a few of my favorite things.🎶🎵🎶

intéressant merci

The reaserch was run by a guy named Gal Desaleux, who immediately started regretting ever taking part. (Little bilingual bonus-joke on how your first pronunciation makes it sound like "Gal Désolé", which translates as "Gal Sorry") Really good work as it has been on your whole channel, you always show serious research and make the presentations interesting. Every time I watch one of your videos, I end up wishing I could buy one of the firearms presented, but that would be unreasonable.

Love my Lebel's

I have some French .30-06 that has the groove on the head like on the 8mm Lebel

Correct me if I'm wrong - didn't you by chance shoot "incorrect" ammo in one of your old Turkish Berthier rifle videos? It seems as if you were having trouble racking the bolt into battery.

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

Yes, back before I know better. :)

@piotrwoznica9100

7 жыл бұрын

Nice :D Next we know that Bannerman conversion Mosin-Nagant might have well blown up in your face (I'm glad it didn't).

How much coffee had you had or rehearsals did you do before recording this? Great presentation but I felt like We had snorted some thing. I need a nap. Thanks for the great info!!!!!!!!

Some like French wine and cheeses. Ian loves French ammo.

hey Ian would like to see videos like this 1 for german,us,british,russian ... ammo 2 but at any point please share more of your toughts about 7mm mauser

Great Ian. 7.5x54 is a lovely round to shoot. What got you into French rifles so deep?

He mentioned the 5.56 and 300 blackout problem and I ran into that. Long story short I dropped the mag out, dropped the 300 into the chamber, pulled the trigger and broke the extractor, stuck a bullet about an inch from the muzzle. Didnt blow up the gun (thank God for bull barrels) and about burned my leg with gas from the tube

I have a K11 in 7.5x55mm and a MAS 36 in 7.5x54mm. I really like 7.5x54 its fun to reload and uses the 7.62x54R crimper.

@MrReded69

5 жыл бұрын

Many people say that the 7.5x54mm M1929 MAS was just an unlicensed copy of 7.5x55mm Swiss. Just like the 7.5x57mm M1924 MAS was an unlicensed copy of 8x57mm Mauser. Oh those clever French fellows!

@NewEnglandLyle

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrReded69 will a MAS 36 chamber and shoot 7.5 x 55 Swiss? I am having the Dickens of a time trying to find 7.5x54 in a soft point to use for hunting. There is plenty of FMJ on the market right now, but nothing for hunting.

Imagine him being actually named Desolé and introducing himself as "Je suis (Géneral) Desolé" 😄

This guy keeps following me around asking if I have 8mm ordinance

I have 2 cases of lebel ammo in hotchkiss feed strips that ive heard long ago was high pressure, before i new this i used it in a Remington 1907/15. I later found a crack in the rcvr on the bottom, ive no idea how long its been there. The gun also had the typical rem. oversized chamber. It was a sporter w shortened bbl so its stripped of the rcvr now (RIP) as soon as i saw the feed tray on your table i new the answer was coming (ball N) neck turn the shells maby? it was $42 a case

While some stupidly assembled 300 BO loads can chamber in a .223 gun, 1) this usually requires stupid levels of force AND a weak crimp. (This isn't the high tech kind of telescoping ammo, it's the shoddily made kind) 2) these are only due to cartridges loaded with projectiles not intended for the caliber, most notably 30 carbine bullets, and the 147 grainers intended for 7.62 nato. For both of those projectiles, the ogive of the bullet can mimic the shoulder of a .223/556 case but generally very over length. Simply using appropriate projectiles completely alleviates this potential risk. With the right projectiles, the bullet would hit the lands with the bold a good quarter inch out of battery. I always make a point of comparing any load side by side with a .223 and making sure there is no way to chamber it incorrectly. IMO, this is worth being careful about but the risk is largely overblown. There is far more real world risk of people putting 20 ga in a 12, and 9mm in a 40 S&W, both of which happen quite frequently. I practice having distinct magazines for 300 BO and avoid storing the guns & accessories in the same places. I also avoid mix and matching on a single range trip, at least without a little effort at keeping them separate. Gear that has room for human error has room for improvement. But that said, I can't help but think that the people who get this wrong would tend to get other stuff wrong too, and will hurt themselves one way or another.

The 30 round feed strips were also used by the Hotchkiss M1909 light machine gun or "Benét Mercié" as it was called in US service. Just for the completion. ;)

@ForgottenWeapons

7 жыл бұрын

A whole series of Hotchkiss-based guns used them, in eluding the US 1909, the French 1900 and 1914, the Japanese Type 92, Turkish 1922/4, etc.

@ringowunderlich2241

7 жыл бұрын

Yes. Did they use the same type of strip for a different cartridge?

the package of the cartridges tied all around looks like a present for the germans...

Yeah, desolee means "Sorry" if I remember correctly, but a pretty easy mistake nonetheless.

The confusion over "bronze" and brass is a nomenclature one. 95/5 is "Gilding Metal", 90/10 is called in the US trade " Manufacturing Bronze" --- a clear misnomer ( no Tin in 90/10 BRASS). In Europe, deriving from a Dutch Indies term, both 90/10 and 95/5 Alloys are called TOMBAC/K. DocAV

Wait, does this mean we're finally getting shooting footage of an rsc 1917?

Privi is great if you're into older European rifles. Theyre my one source of 7.5x55 swiss, and they're very affordable.