Relaxed . Leisurely. Not effortlessly. But definitely not strained. Lol . Cheers man .

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

i hope you enjoy this longbow as the new owner!

@kmarchery

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons Unfortunately I haven't shot it since the brief attempt When you visited . I injured my left rotator. ( Not archery related Was pressure washing eves troughs ) It's "just" an impingement. But it's been really tough to shoot . I really want to shoot it at the fork Since we have been allowed to enter the field again for a short season . Next season maybe .🤞

@Not-Just-Cars

Жыл бұрын

@@kmarchery I hope you recover man, don't hurt yourself! jack fang

its 87lb@27, tillered max to 27, so i dare not to pull further, especially a yew bow. peasant archers back then were shorter on average so a 27" draw length is reasonable. for some medieval french text about archery, i recommend "THE ART OF ARCHERY PUBLISHED, WITH NOTES, FROM A MANUSCRIPT OF THE 15TH CENTURY. BY H. GALLICE."

i like that jack makes non mainstream vids about historical bows

Great video. I have 2 longbowbelgique long bows. And yea they are very knotty. Not the “best” quality but they are far cheaper then other longbows, so they are a good bow for beginners that want to start with lighter draw weights (40-60lbs) to later upgrade to heavier and better quality bows.

@xiaotian5863

Жыл бұрын

Good representation of french longbows

Very cool! There seems to be a french source that suggest a kind of draw with the index finger farther into the string, curled about to hold the arrow in place... Perhaps even for use on horse back? The text is L'Art D'Archery, from the late 15th century, i think. You can find it in English in a book by ET Fox on medieval and Tudor archery (For Maytenance of Archers). Keep up the good work!

@xiaotian5863

Жыл бұрын

That’s 15th century no 14th century. By then the French started to use hand cannons already

@ianhathaway602

Жыл бұрын

@@xiaotian5863 right, i checked the book in the meantime. You are quite right. But what difference does it make if hand cannons existed? It's still an interesting text about late medieval and Renaissance French archery, no? And how much would that have changed since the 14th century?

Excellent! I'm hoping more folks explore medieval bows beyond the Mary Rose/English exemplars. I'm wondering if the lack of bow horn nocks would suggest a lower poundage, though. I've noticed that without the horn nock, yew will get indented and worn by the pressure of the bow string. I could see that being a problem at 100+ lbs.

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

yes i think on average the franc archers had less draw weight because: 1. there is not as much a longbow culture in the peasantry class to train dedicated longbowmen 2. the franc archers used other weapons too such as crossbows and even hand cannons and of course melee weapons 3. for 1 french longbow = 18 arrows, meanwhile 1 english longbow = 24 arrows *numbers are unreliable due to market values 4. the effectiveness of the franc archers as written by the historians are mediocre, suggesting lower draw weight or poorer bow quality (a good quality bowyer can make a high performance bow with low draw weight, but a mediocre bowyer will make a medicore performance bow)

@bugger6881

Жыл бұрын

it is possible to make very heavy warbow without horn nock but with fat tips

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons One little tidbit about French archery comes from Bertrandon de la Broquière's account of his travels to Ottoman lands in 1432-1433. In describing his ideal Europe force to fight the Ottomans, he listed "men at arms, archers and cross-bows" from France (1807 translation). He mentioned only archers from England & only crossbowers from Germany, as far as ranged troops went. So that suggests France had a bit of reputation for archers in the first half of the 15th century. It seems plausible enough that French archers drew weaker bows on average than English archers, given the generally better performance of the latter. However, that could also have been a matter of morale & leadership rather than a difference in the strength & skill of individual soldiers. I suspect draw weights varied considerably for both French & English archers. It's unfortunate medieval European sources never quantify draw weights (as far as I know).

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 yes that makes sense. i think think the english would have heavier draw weights on average due to the policies in england that focus on drawing heavy bows as a weekly activity for youth. such requirements are never mentioned in france. btw if he only mentioned archers from england why do you think archers of france had reputation then? from all the sources ive seen ive not read a single positive mention of domestic french archery skills

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

Жыл бұрын

​@@HistoricalWeapons Bertrandon de la Broquière wanted archers as well as crossbowers from France, & listed the archers first. By contrast, he didn't mention archers from Germany, only crossbowers. He thought France had enough archers to be worth highlighting as troops bring against the Ottomans in his hypothetical scenario. Jean Juvénal des Ursins claimed that French archers quickly surpassed their English counterparts, to the point of potentially threatening the power of the French royalty & nobility, causing their suppression. I'm not sure if there's additional supporting evidence for that narrative, which always struck me as perhaps too good of a tale.

It's also kinda knotty. I was like, say what? It has a lot of knots. Good one 😂

@Dnahwjjwjejnenex

Жыл бұрын

Knotty boy I mean bow

Awesome video.

Excellent video! Out of the yumi bow and Korean bow and the English bow which one you prefer?

@AnkunFang

Жыл бұрын

of the three korean for sure.

You're an amazing archer, it's been a dream of mine to be strong enough to wield a war bow, it's inspiring to see someone really do it

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

merci

Nice shooting, man... That is an impressively thick piece of wood!

Looks like it shoot really well nice job. Do you know what’s really funny if you look in the photograph you talk about the English long Bowman in the picture they look like recurves🤔. Thank you sir for all the great information appreciate ya. Keep up the good work brother God Bless.

@Dnahwjjwjejnenex

Жыл бұрын

That picture shows English mercenaries being employed by Burgundian army. It seems these got paid well and can afford recurve yew or composite bows

@sigmanarchery54

Жыл бұрын

@@Dnahwjjwjejnenex LOL 😁😁 for sure.

Don’t stop making videos

1. Crossbowmen are a type of archer. A crossbow has a bow, an arc/arch, the arc/arch in archer/archery. Sometimes they are different, sometimes not. Many say French "archer". Many assume that means a hand bowman/longbowman not a crossbowman. Archer can mean, one, the other, or both. There was no Associated Press Stylebook nor Chicago Manual of Style then... 2. There is some debate over the circumstances of Talbot's death, but it appears that his horse was killed by a cannon shot, and its mass pinning him down, a French archer in turn killed him with an axe. Lace, William W. (1994). The Hundred Years' War. San Diego: Lucent Books. p94 Seward, Desmond. (1978). The Hundred Years War: The English in France, 1337-1453. New York: Atheneum. p262 Pollard, A. J. (1983). John Talbot and the War in France, 1427-1453. Atlantic Highlands, NJ: Humanities Press, Inc. p137-138

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

how ironic the last commander death was from a cannon and finished off by a french archer....with an axe

For armies they usually want their archers to all pull 100 pounds or more. The main reason is the arrows. If the arrows are supplied by the government they are all spined the same. They only want to supply arrows for 100 pound bows to keep it simple. But in mass volleys of arrows I’m not too sure spine matter much, but it was probably just a safety measure to avoid injuries from underspined arrows. They would bring wagons full of arrows to hand out. They store them in the castles and keeps until needed. Today people are wimps yet Even the garbage man and shopping market bagger boy are required to be able to lift 50 pounds. I’m sure 100 pounds was nothing for any real man worth dragging into battle with you 😊

@xiaotian5863

Жыл бұрын

Lmao back then their measuring system is different so not exactly 100 modern pound

@andrewsock1608

Жыл бұрын

@@xiaotian5863 ya that was just at least 100 pounds I said. They probably shot about 120-200 #s but they would have to prove it when registering. Recruiters would have a bow right there to show you can pull it before you can sign on. Taxes could be paid in arrows (and yew bow staves) so their had to be some standard in spine and length and weight and fletching and points to make it all work for the war archers in mass. The weight remains the same regardless of what system it is measured in😉 The bows are all fine bows. The Boyer only works the best wood and apprentice only gets to work wonky staves. Any bow made by a Bowyer would be from a very fine stave. The ones the apprentice makes must go somewhere? But not to the royal archers. The yew staves were allowed to be used to pay import tax in England and came from higher altitude where it grows straighter. The bows were very fine bows that the main archers had back then in both England and France, Apparently the boyers could make more than three yew long bows a day and that takes fine wood. It was required by law in England that every able man from 10-70 yeas of age must practice archery once a week for prescribed amount of time or shots. That’s actually why public archery ranges became popular or Needed.

@JubbaheyChannel

Жыл бұрын

Strength is not an indication of what an average man could pull in poundage on a longbow. If you draw anything more than 40lbs without using your shoulder muscles first, you'll put your neck out very quickly. Also, release technique defines how long you'll remain an archer at anything above 60lbs. All English archers were bred into bow warfare from a very early age, in fact skeleton forensics have shown immense differences in arm bone mass, shoulder bone mass and sinew/tendon lengths which is clearly representative of the gradual increase of bow poundage through their formative years. Advice for the guy doing this video, please use a tab or finger guard as you will probably , if not already, get nerve damage and it could become permanent.

@JubbaheyChannel

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewsock1608 In a batlle situation you want a bowman to release at least 10 arrows in 30 secs, about the time it take for enemy cavalry to half the distance from the start of the charge. This is mostly damage to horses or knocking riders out of saddles, the arrows would be coming down almost vertically, maybe 75/80 degrees, the real killing zone is at 100 to 50 yards which only takes a horse at full speed about 15 secs to cover. Thats about 5 arrows worth, from 50yrds to dug in stakes is a hit or miss affair as the arrows wont get up to full speed and have less penetrational value as they will now be shooting on an upward curve, again, prob aiming at the horses now, they can actually deliver more damage to fallen riders than infantry. Prob why the English had such great numbers of bowmen, they could deliver a disarming blow to the advancing army and in some instances cause mayhem amongst the battle lines before the two armies actually met.

@societyofrobots

Жыл бұрын

I think they measured things in stones, meaning the weight of an average good sized rock. A man would weigh '10 stones" or whatever.

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I have a question, which general died to bring about the end of the 100 years war? I was under the impression that the French won because the alliance between England and burgundy collapsed leaving England without sufficient military power to maintain its lands in France and massive French deployment of canon which brought aboutwith the fall of Bordeaux and the region of Gascony bringing the 100 years war to an end. If you are referring to the death sir John Talbot, he was killed by an accident ahead whilst trapped under his horse by a bretton man at arms, talbots son died defending his father in that same mello at the battle of casttillion in Gastgony, 10 weeks before the end of the 100 years war, the French did not employ any longbowman at the battle of castillon they had over 1000 crossbowman but no archers, and there was crossbowman were defeated and badly routed earlier in the battle

@mikeorick6898

Жыл бұрын

1. Crossbowmen are a type of archer. A crossbow has a bow, an arc, the arc in archer. 2. Blame that on Wiki and others: There is some debate over the circumstances of Talbot's death, but it appears that his horse was killed by a cannon shot, and its mass pinning him down, a French archer in turn killed him with an axe. Lace, William W. (1994). The Hundred Years' War. San Diego: Lucent Books. p94 Seward, Desmond. (1978). The Hundred Years War: The English in France, 1337-1453. New York: Atheneum. p262 Pollard, A. J. (1983). John Talbot and the War in France, 1427-1453. Atlantic Highlands, NJ: Humanities Press, Inc. p137-138

@blindarchershaunhenderson3769

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeorick6898 you are just being pedantic, in general conversation on the subject of military history in particular, the definitions would not be conflated, the term crossbowman would be used to describe a soldier who uses a crossbow, an Archer would be somebody described as using a bow, which is not a crossbow, I hate pedants such as yourself who pick up on something just for the sake of possibly getting engaged in an argument, grow up

@legntt3488

Жыл бұрын

Talbot

@legntt3488

Жыл бұрын

Crossbow men are the same words as archers aka French archers

@blindarchershaunhenderson3769

Жыл бұрын

@@legntt3488 no they are not the same, if you read the rolls for each of the armies involved in the battle you will see that the rolls specifically mention "English foot and mounted archers", the rolls for the French army included specifically "1000 Flemish crossbowmen", there was no other mention of archers or bowmen. The "rolls", by the way, are the official listings, written down at the time, for who took part in any particular battle or engagement which took place during the 100 years war, they are quite accurate and very specific about who and what form of military soldiers took part in any given battle, crossbowman are always listed specifically as crossbowman and never archers, now stop being so pedantic, you don't know what you're talking about, you pedant

Your videos are very interesting, I am a Native American bowyer living in Italy, and I follow your KZread channel with interest

As far as price & quality goes, everything I've seen indicates that yew bows were rather cheap. One 1574 English price list puts a yew bow at 2s 6d versus 2s for a pike, 16d for a black bill, & 6s 8d for a halberd. Because even decent yew warbows were apparently rather affordable, shaving on the cost of the bow by using a lower-quality piece of wood would not been a major discount as far as fielding soldiers went. It's possible such French archers existed, though I'm not aware of any specific source for it. We do have records that some of the mounted French archers shot their bows from saddle, into the Italian Wars. They were well-equipped troops with horses & armor.

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

tthese french archers did exist, google Franc Archers. this video is based on research from french sources such as Chapitre XII. Les réserves organisées : les Francs-Archers (Also the biggest cost savings about the Franc Archers is the soldier themselves. From the peasantry = less pay. i believe the king picked some to shoot longbows instead of spears due to their low morale. of course the king relied on their heavy cavalry to win the battles )

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

roughly translated: "The Free-Archers appear as a militia of non-nobles, relatively old, often married and in charge of families, comprising a small minority of the rich or sons of the rich and a strong majority recruited from the poor but not miserable part of the population. They swore an oath to the king, served in war, a few weeks or even a few months, almost every year, especially from 1465. Archers, crossbowmen, vougiers, pikemen, halberdiers, couleuvriniers: they performed all the functions of the infantry, under the direct command of captains and private lieutenants, nobles more and more often, coming in any case from another social background," "The bands of free-archers, several hundred strong men, were articulated in smaller units: the most frequent, the strongest was the "chamber", commanded by a chief of chamber" "Were the Free-Archers, armed poorly? To a certain extent, indisputably. Poorly equipped army? Nothing really indicates it. During the reign of Charles VII, brigandines were supplied to them directly by the monarqy, thereafter the communities had to bear the costs of equipment alone, but, closely supervised by the captains, they carried out this task diligently" "In 1465, out of 24 captains of free-archers that have been identified, only 2 are qualified as knights, 14 as squires, 8 without qualifiers can be presumed non-noble." "In short, without even counting the expenses of supervision, maintenance and the salary of the 16,000 free-archers of the kingdom, amounted, at a rate of 18 l.t. per man, to a sum of 288,000 l.t., which, used differently, would have allowed the king to permanently have a staff of 6,000 footmen, paid 4 l.t. per month, or 48 l.t. per year. The suppression of the free-archers at the end of 1480 therefore had both military and financial causes: on the one hand, they had repeatedly demonstrated their mediocre value in combat; " "In exchange for these tax advantages, they not only had to go to the royal convocations and campaign, for monthly wages of 4 l.t., but to bring a complete war garment, including a bow or crossbow, a sword, a dagger, a brigandine or a jack and a salad helmet.

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

for prices: in the french source it says: 16,000 free-archers=288,000 l.t=6,000 footmen. Also this price list might help us understand the value of these bows: The salad helmet without visor = 20 sous (currency) The cap under the salad = 16 denarii The gorgerin = 12 sous The brigandine with arm = 6 pounds and 10 sous guard hoqueton above = 20 to 30 sous The hoqueton below = 10 sous The bow = 7 sous 12 strings = 2 sous 18 arrows = 5 to 8 sous The sword with 2 hands = 18 sous (In other words, The bow ≈ 18 arrows ≈ 0.39 two hand sword]

@b.h.abbott-motley2427

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons I meant French archers with lower-quality bows to save money. That's what I'm not aware of sources for. Thanks for listing those prices. The other equipment costs considerably more than the bow, as in similar sources. Having a lower-quality piece of yew to save money just seems very marginal in that scenario, though we know militaries & soldiers did sometimes cut marginal costs wherever they could.

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

@@b.h.abbott-motley2427 yes I agree. i think i mentioned yew is expensive only in the context of modern day cuz its 2022. that being said this is ardennes forest yew which is not as high quality and very knotty piece thats twisted. so fair price

Always great researched and systematized matter before practice. Freakin' love your videos 🥇🏹

When was this filmed? It looks like a while ago

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

April. I lost weight this summer

@dsasd778

Жыл бұрын

u looked fat

@fatboy8420

Жыл бұрын

Nice

The General was English? The French longbow man used an axe to kill a general...of England 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿? I need to know. Thanks.

@mikeorick6898

Жыл бұрын

John Talbot, first Earl of Shrewsbury at the battle of Castillon in 1453. From Wiki: There is some debate over the circumstances of Talbot's death, but it appears that his horse was killed by a cannon shot, and its mass pinning him down, a French archer in turn killed him with an axe. Lace, William W. (1994). The Hundred Years' War. San Diego: Lucent Books. p94 Seward, Desmond. (1978). The Hundred Years War: The English in France, 1337-1453. New York: Atheneum. p262 Pollard, A. J. (1983). John Talbot and the War in France, 1427-1453. Atlantic Highlands, NJ: Humanities Press, Inc. p137-138

@xiaotian5863

Жыл бұрын

Legendary ending

The French also had the Flatbow without nocking too for a design that could be to the lower end of English Longbow for the max on these bows so about 120-130 pounds with the low end 95--100 pounds. Also Mulberry has be found to be a used as a wood over in Europe for the English, French, and Scottish longbows more so when Yew became less used.

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

Do you have sources

@caseysmith544

Жыл бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons Yep, Graven Archery makes one in the Flatbow type Longbow design, both no shelf one they call a Medieval style they have and a shelf style more the USA flatbow design. Very similar bows as both have the same handle but one has a shelf or two shelves as the shelf was not common on bows until the 1600's to early 1800's sometime in there after the gun and crossbow had taken over the militaries.

Glad I stumbled upon this channel good stuff

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

thanks

"A French longbowman killed a general, with an axe" No human can match the phenomenal grasp of irony that history has.

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

It was the last battle of the Hundred Years’ War so he symbolically ended it

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

To be fair the general was shot down and disabled by a cannon and then the French peasant finished him off

Is that bow ambidextrous? Must tools of the world are right handed.

@0ooTheMAXXoo0

Жыл бұрын

Archery is as easy with the bow in either hand... There is no dominant hand in archery. Handling the arrows with your off hand vs your dominant hand is the only difference I have found. Actually pulling and shooting a bow is an ambidextrous action to begin with.

@xiaotian5863

Жыл бұрын

This is literally a stick u can shoot both sides

Great work.your enthusiasm for the subject is obvious... I also enjoy archery.got 3 recurve Bear bows and it's great fun and exercise.Even a 50# bow packs a punch,I want to increase poundage but steady,steady.takes time and practice...great to see your skill and enjoyment.Traditional archery at it's best.

why arent u pulling further?

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

1. Medieval peasants are shorter than modern archers, so this would be a reasonable representation @27 inch draw length. 2. this bow has only been tillered to 27 inches. i am not the bowyer so i dare not to pull further than 27, especially because its a yew bow so $$$

How do Yew know so much about getting your hands on stiff knotty wood??? 😉😆👍🏻🏹 lol. Great info. Fun to watch you shoot.

I need to know where all you guys find all these pictures of paintings and stuff....

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

french google

Nice

good stuff

haircut looks slick af

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Wow I didn’t knew that France also used longbow Does French bowman also used short bow? I heard that French army used 4feet short bow

@HistoricalWeapons

10 ай бұрын

yes in earlier charleman periods and gallic period. but during hundred year war its simply a copy paste of the welsh bow

@user-kg9fw1mi6e

9 ай бұрын

@@HistoricalWeapons why don’t you make video about early Charleman period or Gallic bow?

nice

What is the advantage of heavier arrows? They seem great for arc shots where they go high enough to hit terminal velocity on the way down. Is it just good to go as heavy as you can without losing speed? So the arrow weight would increase with the bow poundage?

@Stephen-uz8dm

Жыл бұрын

Heavier projectiles will get better penetration

Jack are strong 💪 😁🏹

@HistoricalWeapons

Жыл бұрын

thanks

I just ordered me an English longbow it’s 55lb draw of 27.5 I was wondering if 27.5 is normal I’m 5.9 so I’m just wondering

Whoa

Oui oui

You *are* a historian.

Tres bien

British and French Yew is inferior to Alpine yew from Italy etc. There are more ancient Yew trees in Britain than anywhere else on earth, but not suited to warbows

@Tony.795

8 ай бұрын

They got yew from inland continental europe, not only from the Alps specifically. It grows extremely slow with a minimum of two growth rings per millimeter in some places. The yew stocks depleted so much due to this demand that the only place they could get it from was the baltic. By this time however, the firearm was becoming more popular. I suspect those very old yew trees remain because they were already ancient by the time of the longbow and the wood was too twisted to be used for that. There are quite a few of those on the mainland as well.

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I get that it was made in Belgium, but dude, that’s a Welsh longbow. Because they were used by French people - after becoming painfully acquainted with them throughout the Hundred Years’ War- does not all of a sudden make them French. Hey, I can cut and fry potatoes right here in Canada, but I don’t call them Canadian fries, do I. They are still called French fries, lol.

@HistoricalWeapons

10 ай бұрын

this is a video focused on the french use of the longbow. There are cretan longbow archers from antiquity and stone age archers using heavy longbows. at what point do you want to trace it back.

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