Franken-Furnace: 100 F What Would YOU Do For Air Conditioning
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This week is 100*F with the forecast for the same weather for the next full week. This is a video to show the extremes we had to go through due to a couple months delay in the supply chain of the brand of equipment my supplier carries. Nothing in this video is normally done in a residential setting...unless its someone like me doing it for a son or daughter.
Backstory: This downstairs system was removed and totally updated with properly sized duct and air handler to satisfy the space last fall. To take care of the second floor a second and separate system was installed in the attic. Fast forward about two months ago. I ordered the outdoor unit and found that there would be a delay in delivery due to the manufacturer cutting production of the current models to 'retool' to begin producing the new line of equipment utilizing the newly developed refrigerant. The supplier did not perceive just how long the 'delay' was to become. With no cooling on the lower level of the home, this hot snap was making the home almost unbearable in the afternoons and evenings. So I cooked up this 'idea'....
In disassembling the old furnace from the duct, I left the refrigeration system fully intact and shifted off the side of the basement to allow the new air handler and duct to be installed. The reason being that the new system will use the same refrigerant, R-410, and leaving the lines connected eliminated the need to seal them from contaminants over the course of the winter. THAT turned out to be a quite fortunate decision to have made.
The video explains the setup, but what we did was connect two systems 'in series', by pumping the cold air generated by the old system into the return air of the new system. At that point the new air handler receives the now 'pressurized' COLD return air and forces it with a bit greater force down the new trunk line to distribute it throughout the first floor of the home. Follow the video to better understand the way the two systems are connected electrically, but it is really simple.
Commercially we have done this with large capacity systems that required a tremendous amount of outdoor 'fresh' air. On one job for example, we took a pair of 50 ton roof top units opened to 100% outdoor air. We slowed the blowers to deliver only 300 cfm per ton to give greater potential for moisture removal. Those were connected to the out door air openings of a a pair of 60 ton (yes, 10 tons larger) roof top units and used the dehumidified outdoor air to enter a mixture of actual return air from inside the building to satisfy the 55* discharge air settings of the larger units. This obviously is a cliff notes version of the way they were controlled, but you get the idea.
So essentially that commercial system was connected as a pair of two units in 'series', very similar to this one. This one in my sons home however, has a lot less controls. There is little to no chance any of you will encounter this or anything resembling this set up but remember: IT IS ONLY TEMPORARY !!! We would not have had to do this had the weather held off for a while yet, but the indoor comfort level was at this point non-existent.
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Good way to improvise. Happy Father’s Day Wendell
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks Dave !! The same wishes to you (if it pertains anyway).
hey buddy you lost me after good morning but plain to see the right guy is on the job very smart have a great day and Happy Father's day
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Well, it worked out for us despite all our attempts to make it not work !! LOL Happy Father's Day to you as well Tom.
This kind of out of the box thought process is just what I hope to be able to formulate when I need to. I can't claim to have come up with anything quite this impressive but did have a similar idea once. Split system was switched one day to get AC back on then I added new ducts to drop down from the attic to the first floor. At the end tie in the new duct and boom the whole house was cooling. Um except a power surge zapped the new condensers capacitor and then fried the compressor ugh!
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Well, it was a good plan you had anyway Andre. That really sux though that the compressor failed after all that. But that's the way it goes sometimes !! On this one, I was so glad that I left the old system intact while waiting until spring to install the new one. No one could foresee the manufacturing delay coming on the horizon though !! Of course it may just be this brand and not industry wide. Being retired, I am really out of the loop now. Thanks for the awesome comment Andre !!
Happy Father’s Day tractorman!
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you my friend and the same wishes back at you Bob !! Enjoy the day.
You get an A+ for ingenuity.
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Like I told others, sometimes ya just gotta do what ya gotta do !! LOL Its working great so far.
Makin it work brother. Good idea. Anything is possible in a pinch. 😝👍
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks John for the compliment. It would have been a brutal week last week and this one too with no a/c and two little boys in a nice hot house for sure. They'd have to have spend more time 'visiting'...
This is so cool!! brilliant.....
@tractorman4461
Ай бұрын
Gotta get some temporary cooling going when its necessary! Have you seen any of the playlists up above on sheet metal..?? This one has tons of plunums, transitions and straight duct. If you go down to about 7 or so the good stuff starts: kzread.info/head/PLk72G9DTzZ1tqw8ST_xdUlPoy_O-SmuBx. I hope you find more stuff to enjoy here.
@user-de8fi2ih3s
Ай бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Yes thank you! very big help.... I got a lot of good idea of what I'm going to be doing... There's another guy on here with a page that did his duct work and plenum in his house over and he did everything himself and in the video he said it's from watching your videos and learning which is awesome....
What a COOL 44 Action Adventure! It has been cool and beautiful this eve but yesterday 91, today 70 or so. But having fun grilling Home made doggies, home made buns and Fine CupsO-JO of course! Tippin your way of course! A Fine Weekend to All and this video made me a bit envious of a basement. None here since it was supposed to be a barn and there are many large rocks beneath the ground. Sure makes a good place for veggies, plumbing and storage. But not here. But if we had a cellar it would be damp. Thanks for another informative 44 vid my 44 Friend Wendell and the Best from this end to yours,,,,,,,,,,,,,recon it’s best to say from this Holler to your Holler! The end could mean buttox to some,,,,,,that’s what MaMa always said! DaveyJO
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Man, there ain't no end in sight for the heat wave over this way DaveyJO. I heard the forecast saying to expect the same next week . No matter though, we got cool air a blowing through the duct like the wind on a crisp fall day !! Ain't it the devil what a fella just gotta do sometimes to get a good meal !! We kept all our canned goods along with the milk can full of shelled popcorn and the dozens of eggs down in the cellar back in the day. I remember the pint jars of home made grape jelly sealed with pariffin wax poured on top and the homemade ketchup put up in old soda bottles and the canned soup stock too !! My favorite thing was capping the bottles with the hand operated capper !! Oh well, that's in the 'days long gone' category, but I can remember them just like yesterday. Thanks for hanging in there ol' buddy....I'll toast ya'll in the morning with some of the fresh coffee beans the Missus just bought today from a home town coffee bean roaster guy !! Hopefully he got his training with the Mystic Monks OR Juan Valdez....
@daveyjoweaver6282
2 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 I still have a bottle capper that was my Grandmas and I used it when I made root beer. I can still buy caps and I’ve saved bottles but haven’t made root beer for years. Used to have my old stone spring house and let the bottles cure in the spring water trough for a few weeks, it was Plum Good too! Like to make some this summer. Home made ice cream too but not since my white mountain motor plum burnt tup! Have an old hand crank freezer too but the wooden barrel is about had. They want over $200 for a new one! I always made vanilla but peach and coffee a few times. I’m sure I can rig up a motor to the hand crank freezer and make the ice cream like a rock. I have. 12” pulley wheel and about a 11/2-2” pulley and that ratio should be slow and study enough. Have to set it up and check it out. When I grilled up the weenies, toasted the buns and heated up the Bushes beans, it was actually chilly here in the woods in the shade. I go into town with a flannel shirt on and people look at me funny cuz it’s 10-20 degrees hotter in town. Jenny thinks she’ll head back Monday but could be Tuesday. We’ve had family albums, letters, scrap books and papers trying to figure out who’s children are who’s and what few photos aren’t labeled on the backs. My Grandparents wrote on many which is very helpful. So as I said my Two greats Grandmother was born innSt. Louis in 1847 and her name was Bruner. They came east inna covered wagon and she died in 1933. I’ll get some photos together and email them. We even have a letter with the title Civil War from the 1862. We have the Weaver Bible out with the family record and it goes back to my Great Grandfather. My Grandfather Weaver was born in July of 1879. He died when I was 8, 1958. I remember the funeral well. Yep, be toasting your way in the morning, one day we’re going to have one helofva several JOpots full reunion but no states between. May be when gas prices go to a reasonable price. I filled my 12 gal. tank for $64! Few years back it was $24. Going to hell in a hand basket, ain’t we? I’ve started rehab again, it’s going well but it is 13 miles one way and 36 times, 6 completed thus and it’s going very well too. Well better soon visit the sugar plum faeries soon so I can tip & sip you guys in the proper direction! DaveyJO
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
@@daveyjoweaver6282 Ain't it funny what two little words can spark in old guys memories....here we talking halfway across America over a doggone 'bottle capper'. LOL I remember the caps came new as shiny brassy color. My Much Older Brother still has the old one from back in the day. I kinda miss the home made ketchup too. My one great- grandfather was born in 1848 and died in 1933, don't know where, but he had 15 kids and I don't know when or where about that g-granny. The other g-gramps was born in Airolo, Switzerland....don't know when but he died in 1948 and I don't know about that g-granny either. I think we got a family tree somewheres and I should get into it better, but dang it anyway life is busy !! Hey, by the way DaveyJO, HAPPY FATHERS DAY my friend and I know it'll be a good one because you'll get to spend it with your daughter !! My gramps was born in 1882 and granny in 1880, they passed in 1960 and '62. I was 9 and 11. Funerals was the big reunions back then as I guess to an extent they are now as well. Man, I had a PILE of cousins all around my age and doggone it if we didn't have to behave and not act like wild little bumpkins !! Good to know you're well in to rehab....before long you'll be good enough that they'll have you jogging to and fro !! Think of the savings in gas then. Heck, I can't jog from here to the bathroom unless I really HAVE to. LOL I'm not in rehab, but I AM in R&R mode this morning: Reading and Replying..... Take care ol' buddy and enjoy the time with your lovely daughter my friend...sippin and a tippin right along with you and I'll see you later !!
@daveyjoweaver6282
2 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Sometimes I think we must have some common DNA somewhere in our double helix. I just gave an ancient smithy made cow bell from Switzerland that was from my Granny’s family and passed down all these years to Jenny. Her Moms ancestors are Swedish. Plus the 1840s and St. Louie? And yep, shiny brassy bottle caps with cork gaskets, no plastic back in the cappin days, eh? And like you, I ain’t no jogger but I’d rather get my miles in getting wood or hand planing some boards at my workbench. They ask me at rehab what exercise I do at home and I say in everyday and how I live my life. It’s 300 yards back to the creek from my house and I’ll wonder around for an hour or two just keeping up with the woods and all that’s going on in the real world. Or I’ll check out my Friends at 44 Ranch to see what’s going on in your real world. When you recognize reality, enjoying doing for yourself and family, well you get plenty of good and Loving exercise I’d say. A good sense of humor is just as important to enjoy life and health. I was asked by a nurse before I had surgery if I wanted to see a chaplain, I asked, what for? She was surprised. I said if it’s my time to go so be it but I don’t sweat it, I’m perfectly at ease. I’m not religious but I do believe we are connected to all creation. Discussing religion or politics is pointless, wastes energy and separates people. Why? Helifiknow! Everyone has the right to think and believe what they wish and I hold it against no one. Those who rub me the wrong way I don’t have to be around, nor them me. Too many cool things to enjoy then to mess it up over stupid stuff. Too many things to fix, repair and many people to enjoy. So many great folks out there. I mean I found a great batch of folks that I sip & tip too every morning. Those who’s memories help make them what they are and appreciate all lessons and can see the positive. Sometimes you really have to strain to find any positive in something but this is where experience comes in, our best teacher. Seems our best lessons come from the hardest times, we learn little if any from the best ones. Your mechanical skills have been helped along with a mess of skinned knuckles and by knuckleheads as well,eh? And how very blessed we are in being able to appreciate! Well I recon I can see the bottom of my JOcup and I have more tippin and sippin to carry out your way. It’s nice and cool again this sunny Sunday inna Holler and I’ll do my best to ask the winds to head your way as well! But good tutu weather is always appreciated for we dancers and prancer lawn/woods fixer upper types, eh? Okay, toasting in seconds! You and the Missus give each other a Squeeze and put me in the middle! DaveyJO Holler Hoppin and Lovin it Plum Good!
MacGyver would be proud. Thxs for the vids!
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Hahahahaha.....Good ol' MacGyver !! LOL He sure 'rigged' his way outta some pretty hairy stuff didn't he David.
You gotta do, what you gotta do!
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
You are correct sir !! Sometimes there just is no other option but to DO it Matt !!
That is totally awesome Wendell, You know my old saying " Nothing beats experience"
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Well it's a bit out of the ordinary to do a system like this Jan, but extraordinary situations call for extraordinary measures !! It's working just fine even though the air flows are not matched. There are lots of variables in this equation that just worked out for us. The temporary job doesn't look too good, but then who cares, its just temporary. LOL
Holy cow. So lucky to have working spare equipment to plug in during this heat wave. Bit of ingenuity pays off big. Good stuff pulling of that miracle. Hats off to you!!!!
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
What was lucky Mark, was that I left the old refrigerant piping and outdoor unit intact last fall and just slid it over to the side of the basement after dropping the power out of the air handler !! Its odd just how well its maintaining the house currently but hopefully not for too much longer. I have a few videos on that project too and a lot more that have not been edited yet. For your convenience: kzread.info/head/PLk72G9DTzZ1tSGsZbZBq-vpNrEF0au8N1
Awesome temporary solution! I'm sure that no matter how inefficient it is, the humidity removal will be appreciated greatly. 👍👍👍
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Its main inefficiency is only....well....I guess its almost ENTIRELY inefficient. LOL. By late evening the humidity was back to normal and the A/c cycled off on a satisfied t-stat. So all is well for now. Dang, we musta got lucky again !!
Good day Sir, in your well written text ( IT IS ONLY TEMPORARY ) OUTSTANDING TEMPORARY VIDEO SIR ; ) Cheers
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Dave !! It SURE is temporary. We will be installing the new one soon !! ( I hope )...
A man got to do what a man has ta do.....very well designed and executed....I folowed all this instalation and I approve it as fare as electricity goes.....CHEERS
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Hot Doggies Gator....Your stamp of approval supercedes all others !! LOL Thanks for chiming in with your opinion my friend. We DID get lucky though, no freeze ups...yet !!
Your engineering mind continues to analyze, adapt and solve the problem. KUDOs to you!
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
I gotta admit though that I do have a very 'lucky' cloud I travel under most every day !! LOL Thank you for the kind comment.
Its a crazy world. I know people in our area who have been waiting 6 months for a new car. Seems no matter what you need today, you are put on a waiting list. TM 44, you have the most interesting things on your channel. A/C technicians are really busy this time of year. Glad you got cool air, if only temporary, till you get your new unit. I washed mine out lastnight, it wasn't too awful bad but I seen a difference after doing so. Have a great weekend buddy.
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Yes Dean, it a mixed up muddled up shook up world....except for Lola ...L O L A... Lola... I don't know WHEN it'll ever get straightened out !!
A man that thinks outside of the box to get things accomplished 🙌.
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Well I am lucky to have left the refrigeration system intact !! That's what saved the day for me Jeremy.
buen sistema
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Está funcionando muy bien, pero pronto se completará con la nueva unidad exterior.
Never seen equipment this hard to get.we sell Carrier and do a lot of new install Dollar General stores.10 and 15 ton units are 6 to 7 months out. Nice job to get your son some air.hope you get your unit soon.
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
My local supplier got a load of three ton condensors two weeks ago and emptied them right out the door due to back orders. Still didn't fill all the orders. It's crazy out there for sure. I am glad to be enjoying retirement instead of hopping rooftops !!
Wow Mr Wendell!! That was absolutely amazing!!! Man you sure know your stuff!!! The supply chain issue is crazy right now for sure!! But you adapted and overcame the obstacles with good ole fashion know how!! I had to watch this one twice, the amount of knowledge you portrayed, and the explanation was epic😁😁👍👍 Man you made those pieces for the return, and the old unit? Wow, that is such a talent!!! You are amazing sir!!! I am SO glad to have found your channel, I love every min of each video!! Thank you so very much sir for taking the time to bring us along, and do such a great job explaining!! Hope you have a wonderful father's day sir, my apologies for being late, but we'll worth the wait on my end!!! Looking fwd to SO MUCH more Mr Wendell!! 😁😁👍👍🇺🇸🇺🇸
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
I am glad to see you enjoyed it enough to watch twice !! With it as hot as it was going to be last week plus this upcoming week, I had to come up with something quick that'd keep them cool until the new one comes in. Yes, I measured and fabbed each piece in the system. I don't have all the videos uploaded yet, but here's three that are done so far: kzread.info/head/PLk72G9DTzZ1tSGsZbZBq-vpNrEF0au8N1 Then here is the second system in the attic of the same house: kzread.info/head/PLk72G9DTzZ1taVZjyeN9DKr52HQ3hhcXd I don't expect you to watch them all Nelson, but a quick skim can reveal a lot of crazy stuff we do as HVAC techs. LOL Well, I should say DID...because I am retired !! Thank you so much for hanging in there and watching some of the silly stuff we get into from day to day.
@Pennies_on_the_dollar
2 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 Man yeah!!! Looking fwd to them for sure, you are amazing!! Still are even after retirement!! Thank you my friend, and yes sir always!!
nice job i did hvac work for 50 yrs i'am glad i retired it was much better with r22 r12 living in buffalo new york not many heat pumps mostly gas furnaces
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Life was simple with 12, 22 and 502 wasn't it. Now there's an untold number of refrigerants with more to come. R 410 will probably be phased out pretty soon even !! And to think back in the day all we had to know was lo, med or hi temp application and we were set. Now the set of guages are mini computers !! Enter the refrigerant and it figures sub cooling, superheat, bubble point and glide for you with the touch of a button !! And now we have the Bluon App that puts you in touch with a live person within two minutes, 24 hours a day and has a library of thousands of manuals on your smart phone in an instant !! It sure WAS simple Mark...for sure.
i couldnt understand, why didnt you just put old coil in new AHU? seems to me there would be less work. and you were going to show how to put addon wood furnace in parallel with ahu. did you that or i missed it? thanks a lot.
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've installed a wood furnace in but I don't think the video has been edited yet. I did upload the actuator operated back draft damper for the wood furnace though: kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpeukst-l9fbcs4.html Physically the old system indoor coil would not fit the smaller cabinet of the new air handler. So this was the easiest and quickest solution that will not jeopardize any of the previous work to get the needed cooling for a week or so.
@thecurious6721
2 жыл бұрын
@@tractorman4461 got it, thanks. Looking forward to see your wood furnace video 😊👍
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
@@thecurious6721 I'll get it edited one of these days. Thanks for the interest in the sheet metal videos.
R-22>410. It cools better.
@tractorman4461
2 жыл бұрын
Well 410 and the different characteristics made it a bit odd to work with. Anything you become familiar with is going to be the preferred component. We knew R12, 22 and 502's operating pressures and temperatures almost by heart. Now we have so many refrigerants that've flooded the market it boggles the mind. There are good things about 410 though. One being the operating pressure is so high, it almost eliminates the need for 'P' traps in riser and also changes to line size is minimal if needed at all because of the much higher refrigerant velocity and pressure. But I am NOT a fan of 410 in general.