Listened to the first 6 minutes and I already like this guy. He has a capability of organizing complex ideas and make it easy for us to understand.

Our root problem - narcissism - is as prevalent in the denizens of the Left as of the Right.

such a balanced person, much more of this is needed in the shouting contest that politics has become. in today's politics, rational arguments are rare, fast and spectacular leave no space for other type of discussions that can be much healthier. about the political correctness, i have a simple question: Do you value more the way it is said or the message?

@MrMikkyn

Жыл бұрын

People online get so easily outraged about perceived injustices and social offences. They want recognition and to be honoured but in that desire for being recognised, they bully and denigrate and ruin the reputations of public figures, they want vengeance but they see it as justice.

I lived in Turkey for 10 years and learned the language well enough to be able to have conversations with people. What I found interesting was that low income workers had a dignity that came from their group identity. That the AKP was looting the country and making millionaires out of Erdogan's Islamist cronies, this didn't bother them - and some really didn't take their religion seriously, other than a sort of cultural identifier. They felt that, so long as Turkey was getting stronger, they were willing to get relatively poorer every year. Also, with Poland, isn't part of the frustration of the Poles the feeling that they gained independence from the USSR only to then feel that, once again, major national decision (like immigration policy) were being taken away from them? In places like Hungary, a nation which had been depopulated by the Ottomans, the idea that they would now be flooded with Muslim migrants because of a decision made by one woman in Berlin was a violation of their national story. I can't understand how the Western Europeans are unable to see that other parts of the EU have had different experiences with foreign powers, and thus are entitled to different attitudes. But instead, they just force their feelings and histories onto them. The French have a debt to their former African colonies, OK, but why should that debt be foisted on Poland? Western imperialism means we have a debt to the people of Syria (though the Turks don't) but when did Croatia have mandates in the region?

@jasoncpatemusic

Жыл бұрын

Wow!! If you have written or plan to write a book, let me know. Great insight.

its nice to hear different opinions.....

I watched this because I've been reading The End of History - great book. I am an immigrant to The West, but I am still puzzled at the assumption that somehow immigration is a fundamental pillar of liberal democracy. Why would a state that already has a historical population be in the need of extending its responsibilities to other people from different parts of the world. The idea that immigration policy cannot be questioned goes against the idea that people are sovereign, which in The End of History is what Fukuyama argues gives legitimacy to liberal democracy. It is not a return to nationalism or tyranny to simply hand out less visas or conclude that your state has no capacity or social capital to care for refugees. The credal national identity he proposes also goes against the idea of multiculturalism. If people share a new artificial national identity that requires them to believe all in the same principles, then it means they have to give up part of their culture. Culture isn't simply language, food and the way you dress, there's fundamental questions that have political implications. Professor Fukuyama implies in here that multiculturalism and immigration are the real causes of the rekindling of nationalism in The West, but never considers that a change in immigration policy could be a sensible solution. Credal nationalism, formerly known as civic nationalism, is a uniquely American idea that failed in less than 70 years. School districts and neighbourhoods are as segregated today as they were in the 1950s and most people feel that race relations haven't improved since the civil rights. The "overcoming" of ethnic identity that is called for here requires the grafting of an artificial top-down identity unto the different groups in a country. If America failed at it so quickly, why should Europe follow their lead? Even the British identity he puts forward as an example of the overcoming of ethnic identity is collapsing. Ireland became independent, and Northern Ireland and Scotland have strong separatist movements.

This is incredibly wise.

someone should analyse the discourse of identity policies language with a regard to the use of LTI - Lingua Tertii Imperii

@Mantikal

3 жыл бұрын

Not to assume but, is this the book that you're talking about? "The Language of the Third Reich: A Philologist's Notebook" by Victor Klemperer

I need to watch this to pass my exams but i am learning a lot anyways

@samphakamara2674

4 жыл бұрын

lol

Sounds like Fukuyama has struck a nerve for nationalists. Since they're spamming the comments, lmao.

@chaincells

5 жыл бұрын

This lol.

@davidprice5678

4 жыл бұрын

He has nothing to say. I think you'll find WE struck a nerve for him. He's scared of us, why else would he spend thousands of hours writing books and giving speeches at conferences about us?

@wahyuindrasto8307

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidprice5678 *WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU? WHO THE FUCK IS "US"? YOU NEED TO STFU !!*

@Indipuk

4 жыл бұрын

He is talking nonsence. None of my white friends who voted for trump did that because of his skin colour.

25:47 51:44

@tomblakemoremusic

3 жыл бұрын

25mins point relates to the UK so well, especially the Brexit vote

The same conversation would be very interesting after the Covid Era ...

finally, someone theoretically explained the weird things going on and on in our society.

The voice of reason.

I honestly don’t think he reads enough...most of his arguments are HIS own assertions

@bluegender2005

5 жыл бұрын

Counter argument or gay.

@petele345

5 жыл бұрын

Very true, Lemoncake. Although Dr Fukuyama attended Harvard, Yale and Cornell and may now be an academic at Stanford University, who is to say he read anything in those fancy schools?? ... And so what if he's written a bunch of articles and a dozen books - who says he even read them ??! I recommend Dr.Trump's latest book, Tweeting for Dummies, where one can learn all about smart arguments and stuff.

@peterpaullee9952

3 жыл бұрын

LoL so are you....at the end it is WHOSE IDEAS THE PEOPLE THINKS REALLY HAPPEN

The problem is, when you say "all your identities" you imply that we are all individuals, which I agree with 100. However, Identity politics assumes we should group ourselves not as individuals but instead into different identity groups such as LGBTQQIAA+, hetero, white, brown & black, and so on. This is illogical because 1. How far should we divide our identity? Should we stop at our sexuality? Ethnicity? or should we see each other as part of this or that ethnic group?, or perhaps this or that religious group? The problem comes when you really start taking this ideology seriously because at a certain point you realize that people are more than just their sexuality or ethnicity for example. So then you should section them off into sexuality, ethnicity, and religion. But now you have a problem because people are more than that. You can section them off into sex, ethnicity, religion, and age. Once again you realize that people are more than those things too and now you section them off into sex, ethnicity, religion, age, height, weight, and intelligent w/ IQ above 150. Eventually you realize that you can keep sectioning people off into group after group until you ultimately reach the individual. Which we already have a society that encompasses this idea. Ironic really. And I think it's the right idea. Not grouping people into subcategories but recognizing and seeing them as individuals instead. and 2. Not grouping the person down to the individual is nothing other than tribalism. For example, are you part of the LGBTQQIAA+ identity tribe? or part of the hetero tribe? or part of this or that religious group/tribe? and so on and so forth. Now you've opened the door to dialogue such as, you are or aren't allowed to take advantage of this or that benefit in society based on you're religion, or sex, or ethnicity, or age, or weight, and so on. An example is, you are only X percent of a human being because you belong to this identity group. Or you aren't allowed to be a part of our society because you belong to this religious group. Sound familiar? This way of grouping people is wrong and it's nothing we don't already know. We should view each other as individuals, not by our sexual identities, religious identity, ethnic identity, or any other "identity" we might section off in society. Though all of these things contribute to our unique identities, it is the individual that we recognize as paramount in our society today and that's what makes us a great nation and not some tribal authoritarian regime who groups people into subcategories instead of recognizing the individual behind the group. Grouping people by their sexual identities, ethnic, religious, etc. sounds similar to how Hitler would have viewed society back in the day, and I'm being conservative when I say that. Am I wrong?

@teamtundra2619

2 жыл бұрын

People view themselves that way because that’s how others see them

@patrickbarrett7955

10 ай бұрын

@@teamtundra2619 When I dated my wife-to-be in 1961our state legislature in AZ was concerned b/c she is Black and I am White. Due to people who took on the ID politics of the "dominant group" - another ID - we married in 1964 legally. Still are. Our legislators in AZ still have problems with us, don't they?

@teamtundra2619

10 ай бұрын

@skoobysnakx6056 minorities might make it more important to them because they are discriminated against for being a minority/most others make being a minority a big deal so they make it a big deal themselves. Don’t say what you’re saying to the minorities, say it to the discriminatory people

sober and common sense almost to the extent of being boring, but wise.

@JagerIV

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, sober and common sense bases on a world.made up in his own head...

You can tell his analysis will be biased from the first 3 minutes.

@asytippyy352

4 жыл бұрын

Whose analysis ISN'T biased exactly?

I love how all of his abstract concerns were the right and all of his societal concerns were with the left. Lol

@MikeyJJJ

3 жыл бұрын

It's as if real life is not about right and left.

@teamtundra2619

10 ай бұрын

What

Why does he conflate "democracy" with "liberalism" - the two things aren't connected.

@elyjah6380

4 жыл бұрын

They aren't necessarily connected but looking at history most if not all governments that were far left or right tend to end up as authoritarian hell scapes

@johnroberts8233

4 жыл бұрын

Because he serves the system of propaganda and ideological indoctrination that created him and gives him tenure. He's basically a shill for late stage capitalism (or corporatism). The entire education system and media of the West, if not by now the world, has been corrupted to serve the ideological needs of globalised corporatism and routinely turns objective or real truth on its head, creating its own truth, its own reality, one which consists of a misleading false consciousness driven into innocent minds that is every bit as insidious and immune to rebuttal as organised religion.

@jonathandnicholson

3 жыл бұрын

@@elyjah6380 Most 'left'- or 'right'-wing governments do not 'end up as authoritarian hell scapes'.

@jonathandnicholson

3 жыл бұрын

To some extent you're right. John Stuart Mill, a Liberal, has an utter disdain for democracy and regarded democracy as a threat to property rights. UK and US voting reforms, in the 19th Century, came from Conservative governments (Sir Robert Peel and Benjamin Disraeli were Conservatives, Abraham Lincoln was a Republican). However, Fukuyama does make the point that the concept of 'liberal democracy' distinct from 'democracy' (the latter, in his view, being a more general term).

@scytale6

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathandnicholson Not sure Mill was saying that. He was hard to decipher.

Mind boggling that Francis would compare Trump to Erdogan.

@hilebile9824

4 жыл бұрын

Why? They both want to regress society in a similar way. The only difference is that USA is much more progressive country than Turkey.

@jonathandnicholson

3 жыл бұрын

I didn't like his almost total focus on right-wing identity politics. Nor did I like his characterisation of Trump/Brexit and 'Nationalism' more generally. However, I do agree that Trump/Brexit and identity politics more generally are symptoms of something deeper. I don't really know enough about the others he mentions.

@jonathandnicholson

3 жыл бұрын

@@hilebile9824 I don't believe any politician goes in to politics to deliberately make things worse or, in your words, 'to regress society'. I think you're also being disingenuous when you're trying to compare the US and Turkey. They're different in lots of ways and, intellectually, the last sentence contradicts its previous sentence.

@hilebile9824

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathandnicholson conservatives believe that regressing social progress will make society better so your logic does not stand.

@jonathandnicholson

3 жыл бұрын

@@hilebile9824 I disagree. I also believe that Trump has done some good.

Francis: Globalism and left wing identity politics, good, nationalism and right wing identity politics, evil. Me: Wow, nuanced

@MrBobogoa

3 жыл бұрын

Did you actually watch the lecture? He literally said the exact opposite of what you claim, saying a number of times that identity politics is a direct threat to the health of democracy and that civic pride (i.e. nationalism) is necessary for democracies to function, adding the caveat that populism and ethnic nationalism (which are equally rooted in identity politics) threaten the liberal foundations of the west.

@ricardocima

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBobogoa did he criticize black identitarians and feminist identitarians? If not, he's a bit lost.

@MrBobogoa

3 жыл бұрын

@@ricardocima You nonce, he specifically said identity politics as a whole is bad for the health of democracy, that includes black and feminist identity politics. If you just want to watch someone slam on gender and race theory maybe you're the one who's a bit fucking lost

@ricardocima

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrBobogoa Well, he has harsh words for the clowns on the right, why not extend them to the dimwits on the left? I think I can recognize fear of the woke mob...I hope I'm wrong.

ron paul 2020

@petele345

5 жыл бұрын

he still around??

I have expected something far more intelligent from Fukuyama. Unfortunately he could never rise above the biases of the ‘left’ - ‘right’ identity politics: every form of group identity coming from the left is good, and every form of group identity rooted in the right is bad. His inability to recognize his own inherent bias results in a biased and at times arrogant approach to the topic.

@azanulbizar12

3 жыл бұрын

There are extremes everywhere, but tell me, how are the same the identity politics that tell someone is valid as a human being and a citizen regardless of their race or gender, that people should be judged by their character and actions, and a right-wing nationalistic, ethnicity-centered identity politics that places the value of people in non elegible characteristics and puts the individual behind abstract values as religion and land?

@ricardocima

3 жыл бұрын

@@azanulbizar12 Is it the same that ask people to kneel and agree?

@XX-sr8sv

3 жыл бұрын

Were you even listening? He clearly criticised the misinterpretation of multiculturalism by the left and their over sensitivity. He gave many examples of what should not be called a racist!

IdentiAryan

What a word salad.....

Nationalism as Liberal Democracy's evil twin. Spot on.

@FilipeBrasAlmeida

5 жыл бұрын

@@Vincent-zy1pj Indeed, they arrive at completely opposite conclusions, specifically in terms of the universality of ethical and moral values.

@antonslavik4907

4 жыл бұрын

Democracy is inherently Nationalistic

@davidprice5678

4 жыл бұрын

@@FilipeBrasAlmeida Ah yes, liberal democracy. Democracy is good, as long as certain interested groups get the results they want. When it is used against those interests, it's called 'populism'. No one voted for Europe to become the dumping ground for human refuse.

@FilipeBrasAlmeida

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidprice5678 Great, because that's not what Europe is.

@davidprice5678

4 жыл бұрын

@@FilipeBrasAlmeida Go and tell Merkel and Guy Verhofstadt that, I don't think they got the memo.

Opening remarks... I'm thoroughly left wing, but I would entrust Trump with democratic institutions before Clinton - by a long shot. I recognise his point, but the advent of this effect did not arrive with Trump - if anything, he is something of an interception of that effect. Anyway, now I'll listen to the rest...

@FilipeBrasAlmeida

5 жыл бұрын

If you play out in detail what a greater attack on democratic institutions would entail, that would require one to imagine Hillary Clinton routinely calling for the judicial persecution of political enemies, directly denigrating the press, and overtly using the presidency as a personal sinecure to a greater degree than Trump. I find that to be ridiculous.

@fellowcitizen

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not interested in defending Trump, but "calling for the judicial persecution of political enemies" apart from being precisely what Clinton has done with Trump, is also less problematic than calling for the execution of political enemies, as Clinton did with Julian Assange.

@FilipeBrasAlmeida

5 жыл бұрын

Apples and oranges. There are obvious distinctions of frequency, and substance to be made here. Trump's campaign is currently under investigation, which has resulted in several indictments and guilty pleas. Assange is in fact a wanted suspected criminal and an international arrest warrant has been issued. Meanwhile Trump has repeatedly asked his staffers how people he finds disagreeable could get arrested and locked away. And it was Trump, in 2010, who called for "like death penalty or something" for Wikileaks.

@FilipeBrasAlmeida

5 жыл бұрын

@@dmangt «You believe Hilary Clinton, who along with Bill Clinton had multiple of their enemies flat out executed would be better? » If you have "easily proven" evidence of crimes, then present it to the authorities. Merkel, Macron are elected government officials who will surrender their power once their term limits have been reached, or once they've been defeated in an election. The exact opposite of totalitarians.

@FilipeBrasAlmeida

5 жыл бұрын

@@dmangt Conspiracy theory, is what it's called.

Everybody wants equality (of opportunity), so clearly this is not what is driving identity politics: opposing feminism is not, and never has been, the same thing as opposing equality for women. He seems to miss the central defining feature about identity politics: it is about tribes, stereotypes, and ideology rather than about ideas and individuals. It is religious, faith-based, and not rational. This is why it sits so awkwardly within The Open Society. It is a battlefield of groups rather than of idea. It is Marxism re-framed, and eventually those who are required to play the necessary role of 'oppressor' - repentant or otherwise - will kick back against such a culture. The Right has fewer, and simpler values than those on the Left, which generally means that something is wrong if these relatively apathetic people become hugely provoked. The urge to signal the extent of one's revolutionary virtue is a more significant force for identitarians than any urge to secure equality. It is what separates the SJWs from the rest of us. A good example of this is how the liberal elite in the UK has framed the immigration debate in terms of racism, when the reality is that people's concerns are quantitative, not qualitative. (Hardly anyone gets to hear that the UK admits over 300,000 immigrants per year, with very little attention to merit, which clearly is unsustainable and destabilising). And how long would Europe’s far-Right parties last if those countries actually felt they had some control over immigration? We love to overlook the fact that socialism has always been the ultimate in populism. As Peterson has said, 'If religion is the opiate of the masses, socialism is the methamphetamine of the masses'. And it's obvious that Islamists are not fighting for recognition as equals but rather for the 'right' to bully others, regardless of how they might justify their actions to themselves. We only have to observe what they do when they get their hands on power: you give yourself license to treat others appallingly once you have convinced yourself that God, or History, is on your side. Fukuyama loses credibility when he disingenuously claims the Right is more of a threat to democracy than the entrenched liberal elites, who are apparently doing all they can to kill freedom of speech, the primacy of truth, and rational thought itself. It is the Left who is silencing and constraining people. It is the Left who are in black shirts and jackboots, beating people on US streets, so perhaps we can worry about the dangers of the Right once we have comedians in universities again. Peterson's analysis is more incisive, honest and courageous (kzread.info/dash/bejne/gpp8mquAZ6Tdm5M.html). As is Douglas Murray's (kzread.info/dash/bejne/oqij06qHdNSoaaw.html).

@itsbeyondme5560

4 жыл бұрын

Not really because he is a racist himself

I give up. 20 minutes into the talk and Fukuyama STILL has NOT defined his stance on Identity Politics nor said anything of relevance on the topic. If only others could enjoy listening to him speak as much as he seems to enjoy listening to himself. Fukuyama's inability to be on point & concise is EXACTLY why JORDAN PETERSON has become a household name and "Francis Fukuyama" HASN'T.

@coco360

5 жыл бұрын

Jesus Christ, the comments on this video... Fukuyama has been a household name since End of History in 1989.

@sherifatew4894

5 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson doesn't talk about global politics whether the rise of China is good. What policies are good in the middle east. He talks about local politics and what individual can do to rise above identity politics and be radical individuals in a sense he agrees with the ideas of fukuyama since they both support global capitalism, and liberal democracies albeit in a different way.

@konfunable

5 жыл бұрын

you must be braindead to compare Fukuyama to Peterson.

@petele345

5 жыл бұрын

@@coco360 Wouldn't expect them to be too knowledgeable. Seems many are Jordan Peterson followers, attracted by the words "identity politics". Maybe they haven't been told what to think yet.

People hate this guy because they see him as Japanese. He is not. He is north American.

@petele345

5 жыл бұрын

???

@user-rf8ik1ct6x

4 жыл бұрын

And he is right about China ! LMAO.

@aleksandarcankulovski9070

4 жыл бұрын

Nah mate... it's because his a shrill that is echoing progressive garbage

"Let's stop shitting on YT before they put us in labour camps"

I’m glad I didn’t buy this guy’s book. He seems to be under the impression that political narratives are inherently grassroots. Has he literally never heard of proxy war? Propaganda from some groups over other groups?

@1l14cu5

4 жыл бұрын

Glad you didn’t read it? Why is being ignorant such a virtue today. You say he ‘seems to be’, maybe if you read the book, you will know. And even if he doesn't talk about every possible aspect, doesn’t mean what he does talk about doesn’t have merit, and can help you yourself to know what you are talking about.

@funincluded

3 жыл бұрын

Kevin Cobb Are these origins understood as organic ideas that formulate naturally in response to social realities? Because that’s what I’m saying is ridiculously uninformed, no matter how nuanced.

@peterpaullee9952

3 жыл бұрын

you are glad you are intolerant and bigoted

Racial and cultural divide is the problem. Strength is in unity, diversity is weaknesses. USA in the past was strong because it was defacto dominated by a single racial cultural group (white protestants).

@azanulbizar12

3 жыл бұрын

Then time travel to the past and tell your WASP ancestors that bringing thousands of people as slaves to the States is not useful for you. You blame the consequences of the present while overlooking the causes in the past. Very coherent...

@lamson8349

2 жыл бұрын

What made the US strong was values. White Protestant unity, that is a fantasy. White people who settled in America weren’t a monolith, to start with. And those white settlers were trespassers into Native lands. And their level of morality was so low that they resorted to enslaving Africans to sustain their living standards. At any rate, America tried the “white only” approach. That took the country to a civil war and many deaths. To only want whites, mean you have to deport those who aren’t white. That’s not happening ever.

@Indipuk

2 жыл бұрын

@@lamson8349 Christian church always opposed slavery as immoral. It was the big plantation owners by modern day standards millionaires and billionaires who used slaves.

@lamson8349

2 жыл бұрын

@@Indipuk, I mentioned the church nowhere. But now that you said it, you may remember that Bartholomew de las Casa was an ecclesiastic. He argued for Africans to be enslaved instead of the Indians. He later expressed regret, but that was too late. Also in all the slave trading European nations, Christianity was the State religion. That remained the case even after the Age of Enlightenment. Bottom line: Slavery was pretty much blessed by everyone back in the time.

@Indipuk

2 жыл бұрын

@@lamson8349 Monarchs and traders didnt give a fuck about Church and used it only as a means to get power and control society. They were never really religious.

anybody who still takes fukuyama seriously is wasting his/ her time. the guy has been wrong all his life

Six minutes in and BOY this talk is NOT aging well what with the FBI having literally spied on Trump...Gonna have to give this one a hard pass I'm afraid since the foundation of his understanding is deeply, deeply flawed from the get go.

@petele345

5 жыл бұрын

you're lost...not the video you think it is.

Preach to Asia. There are more o them than anyone. They should stay in Asia and not dilute our culture.

@saimbhat6243

2 жыл бұрын

LOL, As if it is not the duty of a country to provide visa for people to come in. If your government doesn't want asians then why is it giving entry/visa to asians? Are you democratic?

What a joke.

This is horse manure. Wishful thinking and leftist dogma.

I never had seen Francis before. That guy is a really a liar because his incorrect and ideologic charged discurse cannot be unintentional. What a hole he is.

He is trying, in vain, to defend the lost case of multiculturalisme and massmigration.

Racial and cultural divide is the problem. Strength is in unity, diversity is weaknesses. USA in the past was strong because it was defacto dominated by a single racial cultural group (white protestants).