Prices are 350% - 400% higher in my area as of April 2021. Insane!

@fazerfaze

3 жыл бұрын

$66 for 1/2 cdx sheet where I'm at

@Angelo80907

2 жыл бұрын

I’m build a shed and I’m buying $40 for the thinnest 4x8ft sheets smh

@williamdegener

2 жыл бұрын

Wish I bought materials at this price

@MrLaughinggrass

2 жыл бұрын

Are prices still that high

@scottross5706

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah this video hasn’t aged well at all lol

You should do a video like this for siding. vinyl, hardi, cedar, ect

@PrimeSuperboy

4 жыл бұрын

yes please, I could use a video like this about 3 weeks ago :)

@willys4882

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, please.

Saw a video by This Old House. Tom Silvia was helping a homeowner find a system to protect his windows during a hurricane. 1/2" OSB was punched through like it wasn't even there when fired upon by a 2x4 moving at 34 mph to simulate hurricane wind driven debris. The only system to really stand up and absorb the impact without being damaged in some fashion was genuine plywood.

We renovated our 25 year old Vermont Farm house. We stripped the West and South sides (direction of the weather, water and wind) down to the studs. I was shocked at the amount of rot under the windows !!! Replacing all the rot (2x6 and plywood), we then added 2.5” Zip System with new Anderson windows, taped the heck out of everything, then added Hardi-plank siding. Our heating needs dropped in HALF and the house is much more comfortable when the -30++ degree Vermont Winds start blowing. We will be renovating our 300 year old post-beam barn into 2 apartments and then a new house. Both will be built with many of the modern building principles Matt talks about in his videos. We are looking for homes that can stand for a hundred years before renovations are required to fix rot…..vs 10-20 years!! Thank you for the great information.

INCREDIBLY useful video Matt. Please do more like this where you present alternative build methods and whole house costs. It really gives a useful education on home building options. Does anyone make a product like the Zip R-Sheathing product that uses plywood instead of OSB? That would be a killer product!

Keep in mind the 1.5"+ Zip-R has less sheer than just a thicker plywood product because the foam is pulling on itself. If you're building for hurricane or even just more stringent code and you want the thick stuff your engineer may as you to include staggered nogging, 1-by or steel wire let-in bracing to make up for the lost tear strength.

Love your show Matt. I'm about 2 years away from an owner built house. Your show is proving invaluable.

In Canada, Quebec province at least, the building code says that we need R-4 insulation on the outside of the studs to break the thermal bridge. Since that building code is in effect, we saw many different products come to market like the Zip-R. I work in a prefab walls, trusses and floor joists company and we think that some of these products are good but prefer using either OSB or plywood and put the insulation above the sheeting. The reason is simple, shear strenght! When you nail a sheeting to a stud with a 1" of foam in between, the nail becomes very weak. Shear strenght is exponentially lower. Sheeting nailed directly to the studs is way stronger. Then we add something like Atlas R-Board (polyiso with a weather shield included) and strapping. Fhat makes nice and strong wall panels. All our walls are made with 2x6 with at least R-20 fiberglass insulation. Total R value for our "typical" wall panel is a little above R-30. Building code says R-29.5 is required where we are (including the R-4 to break the thermal bridge).

@vincentmontambault217

5 жыл бұрын

@@onlyscience7120 in fact the foam we use on the outside, when we look at the spec sheet, it says that they are air barrier, but not vapor barrier. So we have vapor barrier inside and air barrier outside.

@65armadillo

5 жыл бұрын

Perfect. Just did a plywood over studs wall with 1 inch R5 foam board on top, then siding. Sealed up all possibilities of course

@22bungalow

5 жыл бұрын

What's your approach for windows? Install on sheathing, then foam board, installed over foam board and fasten through board to wood?

@vincentmontambault217

5 жыл бұрын

@@22bungalow Most of the times, windows are screwed from the inside of the frame. Windows manufacturers build windows that way here. Outside flange on the windows is just a weather protection, no screws there. So, the flange sits over the foam of the wall, and everything is well taped out with a good red tape. On some commercial project, engineers asks us to put a 2x3 around all openings in the walls. I don't know if they screw their commercial grade windows on that 2x3 or not though. Windows are installed on site, so I really don't know how they proceed there.

@brucea550

5 жыл бұрын

So the window screws into the framing IN the wall, or screws into the interior face of the framing? I did a school up in Alaska where they framed and insulated normal, did the windows nailed to the sheathing, THEN added like 4 or 5” of eps foam to the outside of the building and then metal siding. They ran metal trim into the windows. Walls ended up about r30 I think. The roof was 12” of eps minimum, which is r50. I’ve been in Montreal a lot, that cold off the st lawerence is penetrating!

I noticed that on the deck rebuild you explained the screws to use and the lenth of the screws. Could you do a show explaining how to choose the right nails for each job and why? It would really be helpful for us beginners. Thank you.

As usual, thank you Matt for spending the time to inform others of the products available for great building.

I'm glad you mentioned the pull out value of screws and nails when comparing the sheathing. When installing exterior cladding systems such as a metal roof this is a critical consideration. Most metal roof manufacturers, for example, are asking that you install into 1/2" minimum grade A plywood. Many of them do not want you using anything less than 3/4" OSB if you are going that route.

@randomrazr

2 жыл бұрын

so with osb u cant have metal roof?

I frickin love this channel. This helps fill in the gaps of reasoning that I lack while sitting in an architecture office all day.

@misterjt961

4 жыл бұрын

i using this channel to help me design my sisters house. I love architecture and drafting but i have some major gaps in knowledge since i haven't even started school yet.

@karlozzlopezz6093

2 жыл бұрын

Shut up

I have used osb for exposed interior sheathing in a shop, and noticed one downside is the glue off gases for decades....and is even worse when the space is heated. Plywood has glue as well, but generally hidden under a final ply....osb has far more glue which is exposed unless painted.

@curtissharris8914

11 ай бұрын

I went to see an Architect who used OSB exposed to finish his firms walls. Oh the stink I could barely breathe I took a pass on the poor judgement.

Matt, Just moved into a house in upper Michigan that was built 2 years ago and discovered that it had zip sheeting (green-7/16") installed. Thanks to you, I have learned much about that siding. I have been enjoying your videos with the many rather outstanding suggestions and observations. I was a licensed builder for 25 years in Michigan and am now non-licensed as I build strictly on personally owned property. We all have our talents and gifts and I do believe that you have yours nailed down like a pole barn spike. Keep it up, if possible. Just watched a recent video where you shared some of the unsavory comments from the trolls. I am sorry for their replusiveness. Not one of those people would dare say that to your face, but I would say any of the above to you in person. I respect your experience and your knowledge. You make me think about my experiences, good and bad. Thank you.

Zip wall is the way to go; You save a buck or two using Tyvek or similar house wrap but; I like the idea of being able to finish exterior immediately..

Lol! Cheapest I can find it local(ish) as of Feb. 2024 is $120 per for the ZIP-R R6. So this stuff is now prohibitively expensive for most, whereas plywood isn't a whole lot more atm.

7/16" OSB. June 2019: $9/sheet June 2021: $63/sheet October 2021: $15/sheet This morning: $40/sheet.

@linc0292

2 жыл бұрын

That's Brandons fault

@oscarb9139

2 жыл бұрын

@@linc0292 Price now $50/sheet.

@thugly921

2 жыл бұрын

how about fiberboard (Barricade) cost?

@KidFreshie

2 жыл бұрын

@@linc0292 Happy to educate you on how the economy works and how 45's reckless spending, tax cuts, stimulus, deficit spending, pressuring the Fed for QE, pressuring the Fed for endless printing and negative real rates, etc etc all led to inflation...which Brandon has the courage to fix.

I would like to see a more complete price breakdown. For example, compare: OSB + Weather Wrap + vapor barrier = How much to do a 3000 sq ft house. Then Plywood + Weather Wrap + Vapor Barrier = how much. Then Zip + Seal Tape + nail hole fillers = how much. In other words - to get from the frame to be ready for finished siding - what would the total costs be and what steps can be skipped or are better/worse with each system. Maybe Zip + tape is cheaper overall and so it's a way better system. Or maybe zip + tape is way more expensive and only marginally better protection compared to more common building methods.

@Uriel51

5 жыл бұрын

To further expand I would love to know how well the taped wall seams hold up over rigorous testing compared to traditional OSB + kyvek overlapped. Does the adhesive last as long? Is it easier or harder to properly place compared to the fewer tyvek seams you would need? How about the fact that you are technically creating a reverse shingle effect when taping roof panels, so how do those hold up over time compared to OSB with roofing paper.

@jaandel1

5 жыл бұрын

Nobody will reveal their cost; unless your built a house one day hire your own crew and purchase all material by yourself all this guy never ever will know if those product last , product guarantees always said 10 to 20 so.. nobody has the answer yet

@Uriel51

5 жыл бұрын

@@jaandel1 That's a good point. Out of curiosity I did a tiny bit of googling and found a few forums on the topic, blogs, etc. Huge variety of responses. One contractor's blog was about how Zip isn't worth it. One forum string seemed like a bunch of contractors saying they won't work without Zip. One post even brought up some organizations having done independent testing on things like vapor permeability and such. Building science is super fascinating to me. If there was an in-depth academic-level assessment of these different methods of building I would watch the shit out of it.

@idontwantachannelimjustcom7745

5 жыл бұрын

Zip isn't available here in ohio unless you special order it. What would it take to do foam board + osb + steps to make it ready? Would you glue foam board to osb or would you hang them seperatly?

@crazyhass84

5 жыл бұрын

@@idontwantachannelimjustcom7745 matt has plenty of videos on that... its all separate unless u use the zip. Which is why zip is so sweet. Saves on labor bug time

Matt as an Architect in Ontario Canada I can point out one serious problem with the pre-insulated zip panels. The wood sheathing is an important part the of the structure and needs to be place directly on the studs for maximum strength, so the continuous insulation should be placed outside the structural wall sheathing. Most contractors do not fully understand all the functions that the exterior wall sheathing does. 1 it provides very good lateral load resistance... ie racking resistance. 2 it is critical for transfer of wind up lift back down to the foundation. to do this the sheathing needs to be placed directly on the wood studs so the nail fasteners act in shear. It also means the fast cheap way of sheathing a structure ie with the horizontal joint(s) aligned with joints in the wood structure (as 98% of framers around here do) is completely unacceptable. for the sheathing to act as a diaphragm and resist the wind up lift all the horizontal joints are to occur on a common structural element . starting at the top of the concrete foundation. the sill plate is anchored to the foundation with anchor bolts at 48" oc (max) .. the wall sheathing is fastened to the sill plate at 6" oc and ideally with a bead of PL Premium construction adhesive and the sheathing spans across the floor assembly up the studs at least 12" so you can get 3 fasteners (min) into each stud and 2 into the rim board (per stud location). At second floor level the upper wall sheathing extends down 12" min onto the stud wall below again 3 fasteners per stud and 2 into the rim board. As an alternate you can locate the sheathing horizontal joint on the rim board and fasten at 6" oc (max) plus I also recommend PL adhesive onto the rim board if the joint occurs on the rim board. and finally the double top plate at the u/s of the roof is secured to the wall studs below via the sheathing not just the top plate toe nailed into the studs. The truss hold down clips are to be installed on the exterior side of the wall into the top plate or ideally left until the sheathing is installed so the clips fasten through the sheathing into the top plate(s) (top and bottom plate) and thus places the wind up lift force in the same plane as the sheathing which is the main structural element resisting the up lift. I had a project where the structural engineer made the framing contractor install Simpson Tie hold down straps on every stud to bridge across the horizontal joints in the sheathing because the framer placed sheathing joints at the underside of the 2nd floor joist and at the top of the 2nd floor floor sheathing.. ie inline with joints in the structural frame.... the framer was not a happy camper. but the framer failed to follow the design drawings and the Simpson tie was the easiest solution to fix his mistake. Personally I don't like the Zip sheathing system, for the cost of the zip system you can install a proper vapour permeable Air/Moisture Membrane like BlueSkin VP (or similar product). And if I can get the client (home owner) to agree, use plywood vs OSB for sheathing.. ideally 5/8" T&G plywood installed horizontally with vertical joints staggered (just like you would on a floor assembly) then wrap with BlueSkin VP. example of cost 2019 07 21 in Ontario Canada 7/16 OSB 4x8 = $10.25 ...... 5/8 OSB 4x8 T&G = $17.95 ...... 1/2 plywood 4x8 = $25.44 ..... 5/8" plywood 4x8 = $33.95 (for butt edge or T&G) could only find online price for zip sheathing at US store (example Lowes USA) = $27.05 USD = $35.33 CAD and BlueSkin VP100 is about $1.00 CAD per sqft

@rogerhornby1149

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. Sheathing's primary function is to add structural rigidity and it's pretty intuitive that that has got to be compromised when the stud surface and the sheathing surface are farther apart. With that in mind, wouldn't 3/4" plywood be the most rigid, and if you were really going cost-no-object, wouldn't 3/4" marine grade plywood be the ultimate, since it uses harder, more water-resistant woods and better adhesives? More and better fasteners would help, too... standard nails Matt did another video where he used a wall assembly of 3/4" plywood/sheet steel/3/4" plywood as sheathing, which was able to stop bullets and wind-driven 2x4s. With a super-strong wall like this, I would imagine bolts would be best to fasten the assembly to the studs.

@talonhall7385

4 жыл бұрын

You said "at the u/s of the roof". "u/s" means?... Thanks

@stevemckerroll4865

4 жыл бұрын

@@talonhall7385 standard/common abbreviations on architectural drawings.... u/s = under side t/s = top side t/o = top of rso = rough stud opening fos = face of stud fob = face of block

@talonhall7385

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the response with a bonus, Steve. You said: "u/s = under side, t/s = top side, t/o = top of rso = rough stud opening, fos = face of stud, fob = face of block"

@justincunningham5457

4 жыл бұрын

Steve McKerroll dude, I might be an architect. But this shit is wayyyy over engineered. Arch’s and engineers add such an unnecessary amount of cost to modern day homes.

For the relatively small increase in price for an average size home, it seems a no brainer to me to just step up to plywood and seal it really well. I'm planning to build my dream home when I retire in a few years, which will only be my 2nd home and my 1st new home, so I don't plan to cut corners. I'll probably go with 5/8 plywood or maybe even 5/8 Zip to create a really strong airtight shell. If an heirloom quality home is what you want, spending an extra few thousand dollars to ensure a strong and tight envelop is a no brainer.

If you choose higher r value zip, this would have to be taken into consideration before pouring the foundation especially if you have brick as this will really bring it out over the ledger.. which increases the cost of concrete needed

@gregwright9869

2 жыл бұрын

Windows/doors too.

@brianlee6849

Жыл бұрын

Yep 👍

Excellent information! OSB sheer strength is critical for earthquake prone areas. We usually utilize LP.

i love these type of videos comparing different materials

Hearing these prices in September 2020 makes my heart hurt

@tileman30years6

3 жыл бұрын

Yes that baseline osb is the price of the expensive one now. Just crazy

@paulp.l.4869

3 жыл бұрын

Lockdown results.

@dal8963

3 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing what a bummer

@HAL-dm1eh

3 жыл бұрын

I came to the comments to say the same thing.

@melvinhunt6976

3 жыл бұрын

Back in the 80s when hurricane Andrew came through and devastated central Fla, over night ALL wood prices Doubled. They said, when the boom is over the prices will come back down. 😲😲. They NEVER come back down, NEVER! They only problem to me is that the producers of The lumber industry are making double, triple and quadruple what We the consumers are having to pay!

Great comparison and really appreciate your videos. According to my calculations here on Long Island (NY) the cost of 1/2 OSB is 55% higher, 1/2 Ply is 26% more, and 7/16 Zip is 48% higher. I pulled the prices from the HD website and not shopped at local lumber yards.

@rocdajacable

5 жыл бұрын

I was going to say I'm in CNY & all I can say we have to get rid of the Commie in Albany

@ajaxa9

5 жыл бұрын

@@rocdajacable Second that, but I'm afraid his "picnic cooler" buildings are here to stay.

Very interesting! I'd be curious to know what the wall assembly costs are for each type to really compare everything involved (alternate insulation, vapor barrier, etc.) and see which system is most cost and time effective as whole.

@Matt, Can you do a video like this Comparing Zip-R, Atlas Energy Shield, Rockwool and maybe other exterior insulation options

I got 3 pallets of zip that where left over At a huge apartment complex I helped build. They were just going to throw them away. So I asked and they gave them to me. Loaded up on my flat bed and used it when replacing my siding. With siding I had from a job I did a year ago

@MrSteeDoo

4 жыл бұрын

Smart move.

Just saw This Old House wrap a home entirely in Zip-R-16. I'm glad to see they are working with the latest in building sciences.

@bestbuilder1st

5 жыл бұрын

I doubt it has anything to do with building science and more to deal with sponsorship and getting people to think others are using it (they pay people to use it BTW).

@brucea550

5 жыл бұрын

Haha! This old house is much more marketing than education.

4 years later, these prices have sure changed for the worse lol. Nice vid, thanks for the info!

@BrianSmith-lo3mj

Жыл бұрын

You got that right! A 4X8 sheet of Advantech cost $55 now. It's absolutely insane how much the price of lumber has went up in the last 3 years.

@chromasux2

Жыл бұрын

Yet oddly enough the Zip sheets haven't changed near as much. Wish I'd known about them before I did my last projects!

@seangillespie4601

Жыл бұрын

@@chromasux2 No you don't. Unless you wanna go full hog on a needlessly overcomplicated electric component too. It requires an air pump/vapor exchange to run all the time. When you seal up a house like Zip does you're begging for mold. Make a cup of coffee, boil water, exhale? That's vapor that any 'normal' house could breath out, even during a power outage. Not using Zip is a huge bullet dodged on my part that not nearly enough people are mentioning in the same breath when they promote this system, cough cough Matt Risinger.... Zip sheathing, in my non-professional opinion, is 95% marketing gimmick, 5% good idea (as in 5% of the time it's the right tool for the right job.) Use ply/osb + wrap + whatever insulation you want, just let yer friggin' houses breath yall.

Absolutely amazing demonstrations. I For one learned quite a bit from this video. Thank you very much for taking the time.

we got drywood termites down here in Houston Texas, best option would be PT plywood 1/2" from the ground up; the rest gona regular plywood or osb. Its good against those pest, rot, and durable asf.

I LOVE THE COST DETAILS! Great video! Thank you!

Love how he refers to things as “flavors.” Super informative video! Thanks answered so many questions.

I build in Maritime zone 5 in upper Ohio. I’ve used all the above but two years ago I shifted to Huber Zip system with the 3/4 Advantech on the floors. We use the Advantech glue and then about 50 2.75” screws per sheet. Even better, when clients will upgrade we use the Zip with the bonded foam to increase our wall efficiency. We get a good thermal brake of about 12-13R plus 2 more inches of closed cell at an R of 15. After this we dense pack fiberglass into the remaining 3.5”. We ends up with an average R value of about 35. We then blow an R60 into attics. It’s a noticeable difference in the energy costs, reduced noise and it makes for a rock solid home that will be very low maintenance costs.

Where i live builders sheet the side walls with drywall. And then biuld the houses 5 feet apart. They use drywall or dense glass sheeting to prevent the whole block from burning down when one house catches fire

I should’ve bought 2 semi trucks full during this video. Lol

High performance Sheathing. This is just one of the innovations that has changed the landscape. Telehandlers, boom-lifts, and track loaders have revolutionized home-building. I don't think ZIP would be economic if there weren't man-lifts to apply the tape, can you imagine the drudgery? Post-Frame construction in particular has evolved from pole shed to luxury homes. While I don't think steel-sided homes are going to be popular anytime soon, maybe they should be? Appearance aside, I have to think a construction method that lets two guys fabricate and erect a 40x60 finished shell in a couple of weeks has got to gain some traction sooner or later. All the trades from slab to finish carpentry are out of the weather along with their materials. I'd really like to know your thoughts about Post-Frame as an alternative for home-building. This guy in "Mad County Build" is making me think ... the idea of home that will need zero exterior maintenance for the 50 years is pretty intriguing. I can give some architectural detail for that.

@hamadilawson7634

10 ай бұрын

Look into R&R Buildings. I love the aspect of post frame as partial diy home build

This was a great comparison video. I'm looking to build a home in a couple years. Seeing the price breakdown really put things into perspective. I thought Zip was hugely expensive but it's that much more expensive than plywood. Totally worth the money.

Don't stop. Keep it coming. Love your show.

Thanks for the video Matt. But on a rhetorical/philosophical note: I don't understand why we use building/sheathing materials that desintegrate in the presence of any moisture. Houses are meant to withstand the outdoors. We know it rains. Why use OSB on the exterior of a house at all?

@blackmanops3749

4 жыл бұрын

Cost. Install time. Weight. But mostly cost.

@timbirishi9284

4 жыл бұрын

@@blackmanops3749 Right. But for something so permanent and hard to replace, spending the extra $1000 for plywood seems worth it to me. Then again, costs rack up quickly in construction.

@henri6595

3 жыл бұрын

@@timbirishi9284 You don't get to choose what is used unless you do a custom build. Most of them time it'll be cheap OSB.

I'll give a Canadian perspective on this. Southern Ontario here. 7/16" ZIP is over $45/sheet (special order). At 176 sheets, that's almost $8000. 7/16" OSB is under $16/sheet, totaling $2800. Two very different propositions. I would love to try ZIP, but that's a high cost of entry.

@blackmanops3749

4 жыл бұрын

And don't forget the special tape.

@peterkuzmin8624

3 жыл бұрын

yes, but you are paying for insulation as well if you get ZIP. Its a huge benefit

Albeit in 2021 price change, this video is STILL VERY INFORMATIVE! Thank You Mr. Risinger for taking time to make these informative videos! Sooooo appreciate it!

Remember somebody years ago showing me a 2x4 in ziplock bag and it has broken down. Airtight on the inside is fine but don't seal the outside too tight or you will get rot. Living in a rainforest area of BC it is important.

great content Matt! perhaps you could start provide metrics when comparing these products one another in terms of trade off like ROIs or net gains or time value of $ saved from a more expensive product compared to a lower priced substitute i think that would help a lot of people make a more informed decision when choosing.

@diyoregonnowtexas9202

2 жыл бұрын

Use stone,brick or concrete. Forget wood. It burns down, gets blown away in a hurricane and bullets go through. Inferior.

Who's ever had the good old O.S.B. splinter under neath a finger nail ?not once but several times .

@hhiippiittyy

4 жыл бұрын

My bro got one that made it's way down past his second knuckle. Like 2.5 inches. It was brutal.

@Firecracker762

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby

@cheezmysta03

4 жыл бұрын

@@hhiippiittyy wtf

@tavorodriguez6507

4 жыл бұрын

Yes sir! gotta love it

@richyrivera5747

4 жыл бұрын

Its a nightmare...annoying as hell

House built in 1898. We has blown insulation. Once had it Vinyl siding done with Foam insulation board, I could not believe the difference in heat lost. Cut our heating bill Tremendously. I would definitely go with zip system if building a new home.

I started specifying zip bd/r-sheathing about 1.5 yrs ago in the houses i design.... really great comparison... Nothing like some continuous insulation to make the international energy code council happy...

Would love to see how some of those products are manufactured, especially the zip "R" system sheeting..... Would be fascinating!

@scorpio6587

5 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure he recently had a video on that. Maybe it was something else.

@trump-wj2nx

5 жыл бұрын

You just got really excited over a boring piece of osb.

I used the zip R3 as the subfloor in the basement.

Designing and building my first house and have found your videos extremely valuable. Keep up the good work and thank you!

I've just purchased zip panels to sheathing 22x22 garage. I shopped around, got 6 quotes and the cheapest price for the panels I could get in NorthEast part of Connecticut is $22.72 for 7/16'' and $33.59 for 5/8''.

Awesome video. I've been trying to find the price for the Zip R. Great breakdown.

Wish the wood prices were still that low..

Great Video very informative. I'm an architect in Michigan and due to the new energy code, I specify ZIP R on a lot of commercial buildings. one thing I have found is that the ZIP R has less shear value than OSB and plywood, so that is something to keep in mind when using it. In one case we needed to add metal strapping to the wood stud walls to make up the difference. I agree though, it's a great product.

We don't sheathe houses in NZ like you see in North America, was so interesting to see how different you do it up there when I was there recently, and on your videos.

Too bad I'm in Fort Worth I'd come work for you for free for a year just to learn. Thanks for another great vid

These long form videos are really great Matt.

Zip+ looks like a great product. Matt's right, any time a way to save labour and make a premium product at the same time is a win in my books. Labour costs can be prohibitive. I would spend $12000 on a sheathing system up here in Canada if it means some saved labour costs along with a luxury rated building envelope. A feasibility plan I recently started for "contour crafting" (3D printed building), lt almost fully revolves around cutting labour costs while combining modular design with the longevity of concrete. Up to 90% decrease in build time and up to 40% reducton in material used. Material being a special concrete mix that's 3x the cost of traditional concrete design. Due to reductions in build time through automation, labour costs inevitably are cut by close to the same margins. Less workers in total and less time spent on site.

Amazing presentation. Please do more like this one.

Tremendous video! Really great stuff. I love the pricing breakdown and comparisons. Relative to the total cost of the build, it seems very convincingly worthwhile to go with the top of the line. And I cannot see a reason why not to go with the ZIP system and save the cost, labor, and time of installing a separate barrier (along with the long term energy savings of the 2.0 installation method you have shown us). While I am not personally a big fan of poly-iso; if I were, it seems a no-brainer to go with the full size ZIP-R 12. Getting that continuous thermal break, and a moisture barrier, and the tremendous labor savings are a fantastic option. I think this product is going to be hugely successful with more discerning customers. I admit, I have watched MANY of your videos, and I find the subject of building science fascinating. I have always had an interest in it, but I have learned so much more from you. Many thanks for all the education. Keep on keepin' on!

@4philipp

5 жыл бұрын

Scorpio I totally agree with your assessment of how valuable it is. I think many owners who want to build start out planning with the best materials only to get sticker shock. Once you ask the question of how to reduce cost by 50% all high end materials get wiped off the table. One secret to success here is to plan a house “size” you can afford with top products. I can’t afford a 3k sqf house, but I can do a 1200sqf house with “some” top products. Difficult choices

I love all the great information you bring us about the construction world I've learned a lot, thank you

@arjunnickolas8791

3 жыл бұрын

i guess im randomly asking but does any of you know of a trick to log back into an instagram account?? I somehow forgot my account password. I would appreciate any help you can offer me

@caysonreign2079

3 жыл бұрын

@Arjun Nickolas Instablaster :)

@arjunnickolas8791

3 жыл бұрын

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@arjunnickolas8791

3 жыл бұрын

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@caysonreign2079

3 жыл бұрын

@Arjun Nickolas happy to help xD

Thanks for being honest about cdx vs. Osb. we are sold on how great Osb is. if it gets wet, it falls apart and left to its demise will mold, and the mold will wick thew out the house I've has to re Sheth entire wall because of a leak around a window

Great vid Matt. Thanks for the info.

One small problem with the Zip-R system though. Because the actual OSB panel isn't mounted flush to the framing, it doesn't provide the same racking resistance you'd get with OSB, Plywood, or standard Zip...

@TheBuccleuch

5 жыл бұрын

This is what I’m thinking, especially as you go higher in R value (thicker foam between OSB and framing). The fasteners are effectively in bending rather than shear. I’d be interested in what the shear strengths (resistance to racking) of sample wall segments would look like with the different R-value Zip sheathing. Matt, sounds like an awesome experiment video for The BUILD Show!

@datsun4x

5 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I can see some areas with higher regulations, like California (for earthquake) or multi-story not meeting engineering reqs.

@BrianVarick

5 жыл бұрын

People have been accounting for this with extra fasteners.

@guytech7310

5 жыл бұрын

Extra fasteners & heavier fasteners are used to get back the strength. However the issue is driving them in to your wall studs since if your not dead-on you likely to miss the stud nor reduces contact with the stud, at least with the higher R-value Zip panels.

@danbert8

5 жыл бұрын

Considering many homes now are just being built with OSB on the corners and maybe some in the middle and the rest is just foam board, I would guess that unless you are in an earthquake or hurricane zone, the actual strength needed from the OSB is far less than you need.

Regarding the Zip R, the lateral strength of the sheathing may be jeopardized by sandwiching the rigid insulation in between the sheathing and the framing. The fasteners will have the space that the insulation gives it to move laterally due to the insulation not being as ductile as wood. If you want insulation on your house other than stud bay batt, the best option is to add it on the outside of the sheathing, such as what Matt Risinger is doing on his own Monopoly house.

@oWhiteMonster

4 жыл бұрын

thank you. was researching the best option and i think ill stick to standard osb and insulation after the housewrap

@rezzbuilds8343

2 жыл бұрын

A Bailey wind brace system in combo with zip would be the best option imo. But that's just my intuition I haven't broken down the costs. I know it's way faster to install wind braces than a whole other layer of sheathing

@charlesrodriguez7984

2 жыл бұрын

@@rezzbuilds8343 Simpson strong Tie hurricane straps on the base of the wall could help against wind racking

Hello Matt thank you for the informative KZread video on OSB comparisons to the Advantix. I do have to say I’m curious why the SIPs have not taken more of market the way I feel they deserve. I’m a personal user of SIPs for a home built in NY. I actually won an award from NYS after an impressive blower door test (this was a 4000 sq ft structure). I then went on to do two more structures, I was that please for the system and was a most comfortable home. I own a SIP as manufacturer in the Northeast and we use an MGO sheathing which is waterproof, fireproof, mold/insect proof. One last excellent feature is it when you put your wall up the MGO on the interior serves as your drywall, saving you considerable labor and money. I Would love to hear your perspective on this thank you for your time. Camille - BuildGreen SIPs

@matsudakodo

2 жыл бұрын

Except that's for floors

Good point about 3/4 inch for fastening, I always wondered why people would bother using 3/4 inch for a single story home for example

This is a great comparison! I'm getting ready to build a 40*60 workshop and have been looking at the advantech and ZIP, after the diresta shop build used zip. This helps me understand the overall cost difference and why.

There's a custom home build I drive past on my way to work, once they put the ZIP boards up they stopped working on the exterior and have been working on the interior for the last 6 months. Makes me wonder how well it holds up to UV exposure.

That zipR stuff looks awesome. I'm going to use it

They were practically giving them away.

Any metrics on cost savings over time if you step up to the Zip R system? How long before that extra expense is justified in lower heating/cooling costs? Great info on this video, thanks.

@danbert8

5 жыл бұрын

It would also be a good comparison to see the cost difference with the equivalent R value foam board sheets on top of the base Zip system OSB. How much more expensive is it to save the labor of doing it in 2 steps.

@Unconnect3d

5 жыл бұрын

@@danbert8 I just did this calculation about 2 months ago. 7/16" Zip sheathing + 2" XPS R-10 was $12 less expensive VS. 2.5" Zip-R12, $2 less expensive VS. 2" Zip-R9. In my case I've spec'd the Zip-R9 for its 2" thickness. The details having the sheathing on the exterior of the building seem so much easier than furring out everything over ext. foam board. So the Zip R wins hands down. Bonus comparison: 7/16" Zip sheathing with 1.5" Type-II EPS bonded to it is $10 more expensive a sheet than Zip-R9

@89Ayten

5 жыл бұрын

Over years if you're in an area that doesn't require a basement. Under 5 years if you are.

@jefflinnell8492

4 жыл бұрын

Zip system does not save money on your heating or cooling bills .there is no savings that will get recooped by using the zip system. Take the money you will save using osb and upgrade your windows and insulation and you will be saving money everyday on heating and cooling bills .

@jefflinnell8492

4 жыл бұрын

@@Unconnect3d that is bad information .your numbers may be right but not sure the point of the insulation between sheathing and studs .sheathing needs to be tight to studs because it is a structural bond that keeps everything from racking. I would not want an inch of foam in between sheathing and studs .upgrade insulation in stud bays and upgrade windows with the money you are wasting on zip system and you will be much happier and safer

Well talking about nail holding power, im surprised you didnt mention that sooner. Especially as it applies to the standard OSB sheathing. Drive a nail in the OSB partially. Enough to fully penetrate the board, and then remove the nail. You will be able to push another nail in the same hole with just your thumb. Now try that with plywood of the same thickness and see the difference. As for the insulation factor, assuming that all of the sheathing is installed properly and covered with some type of a good wrap before siding is installed and the house properly insulated. What percentage of the heat loss is thru the walls as opposed to thru the ceilings? Assuming of coarse that good energy efficient windows are used. Fact is that the actuall cost savings for energy is minimal when using the higher priced sheathing. The difference in material cost, plus additional labor cost for applying tape to all the seams, would take a very long time to recover with energy savings.

I haven’t seen zip in action, but look at modular homes with OSB wall sheathing with vinyl siding and notice how it bubbles out especially on a sunny section. You can try your best to fasten into studs,but it just isn’t a perfect world. Zip and OSB do lay nice and flat. Now give it some nail holding strength that plywood has.

Zip-R looks amazing! Yeah concerns mentioned about loss of racking strength. Probably gotta let in some diagonal bracing like they did on old houses before plywood or add a sheet of ply on the studs first. Definitely an added cost not seen

Not even sure why I'm watching this, I've already decided that the exterior and floors in my house will be ICF. Still, great video with good information!

@davetaylor8614

5 жыл бұрын

WeAreTwoDoorsDown you make a better building with ICF, that gives you air and water barriers on one install. Sound resistance of ST54 or the same as a movie theater. Thermal comfort of moderation of heat flow thru mass. All I have built for 10 years.

@lovescamaros1

5 жыл бұрын

stick framing it outdated and outpaced by better tech. i won't build a house unless its floor to ceiling icf.

@davetaylor8614

5 жыл бұрын

Recent cost comparisons by myself and two builders in Colorado, by the time you do insulation air,and water barrier you exceed cost of Icf with stick frame.

@brucea3103

5 жыл бұрын

I like the theory of ICF, but always have this nagging feeling about fastening to plastic tabs inside of styrofoam. Not knocking ICF, just maybe I'm too old-school for it. I would have no problem with a stick-skeleton inside an ICF exterior, but that drives the price through the roof (meaning that you treat the ICF as a masonry wall with a 1 inch gap between the interior of the ICF and the 16-on-center interior framing. Extra Rockwool insulation for giggles.).

@Ikantspell4

5 жыл бұрын

Warning icf is perfect only in a perfect world. Pannels never install how they were expected. I love that for below grade but I'm also a big fan of real sticks above the dirt. Every application calls for a different material. One cool thing about wood is it has shearing abilities. The compressive strength of icf makes it ideal for below grade but the wiggle you have before you snap makes wood the product I would use above grade. In our real 4 season climate where I live I'd go for a full basement in icf and use lumber for the first and second floor.

It’s July 2023 and LP OSB at Home Depot is just less than $15 a sheet - not bad compared to the $12 Matt quotes for four years ago.

Super cool video, there are parts of North America that are not doing insulation between the studs, to remove mold problems, the insulation will all be exterior. Like the Zip R

@rbnhd1976

5 жыл бұрын

Matt has a video on this, he compared it to wrapping a parka around your house as opposed to stuffing insulation between your ribs, good video as usual

@rbnhd1976

5 жыл бұрын

Personally I think I would go with 3/4 foam and zip r for the thermal break but also conventional closed cell spray foam thin coat, for the "glueing effect", with blown in behind that, should be a cost effective thermal combo, curious what that would rate r value wise

@ShannonSmith4u2

5 жыл бұрын

@@rbnhd1976 great, does the blown in thin create any issues with mold? I guess I really don't understand how adding insulation or not will change the Moisture inside the sealed walls. It seems like what's really needed is for it to be vented, which sounds bizarre.

Just priced out a sheet of ZIP 7/16 and now looking at $61.05. For 176 sheets on a 3k sq ft house now looking at $10,744.8 . This is before taping it 😵 From what I understand this is driven by hi demand! Zip R Sheathing is $127.36 a sheet x 176 = $22,415.36 🤕

@NormalGadgetLab

2 жыл бұрын

Holy smokes that's expensive

Hey Matt, enjoyed watching and learning from your channel... I was wondering about the costs of insulating basement slabs and using zip sheathing vs utilty costs... How quickly are those savings noticed.... If my electric bill is $100 month, on one house without these nice insulation and another identically built one with out the basement insulation and zip sheathing.... What would the electrical bill difference be....

Cool product presentation. Loved the pre-insulated ZipR board. However, with as schlocky as some builders are (at least the crappy ones I’ve experienced personally), I can see some of those guys using nails that are just too short and on the R-12 ZipR board, end up not penetrating into the framing far enough. The end result being that the weight of your HardeeBoard siding ends up pulling off all your poorly-installed ZipR sheathing.

Matt, great video as always. Would have like to seen a few more things in this video, namely a complete breakdown like you did for each but a complete list from cheapest to most expensive. The other things I would have liked to see probably call for another video: price of zip-r vs zip plus a poly-iso or rockwool (I love that stuff) vs traditional plywood plus a smart vapor barrier plus external insulation. As you said as far as a one step simple system, it seems like zip-r is hard to beat. Depends on the owners needs/wants as well as budget.

Am I the only one who says “oooonnn the build show” with Matt at the end of every episode 😂

Imagine this: A product with the built in wrap and excellent sealing tape as Zip, but based on plywood rather than beaver puke. How great would that be?

@Drunken_Hamster

3 жыл бұрын

Plywood zip? Cool, as long as they have it in just two thicknesses for simplicity. True 1/2 and true 3/4 inch.

AWESOME VIDEO MATT. Love the product comparisons/price breakdowns! Keep it up.

@rodolfogonzalez6051

5 жыл бұрын

Awesome comparison

To take advantage of the ZIP weather barrier is probably an added cost with all the work and special materials to finish off the weatherization. It might be better but more expensive.

Interesting breakdown. The Zip system is an interesting option with the continuous insulation built in. Unfortunately these panels cannot be used for shear strength anymore, and you would need to use additional plwd sheathing, which you could place on the inside. Personally I am not a fan of foams, because they are environmentally not as friendly as other options, let’s say mineral wool.

@kickandblock

4 жыл бұрын

Zip is osb covered in insulation

@FatherChuckleNuts

3 жыл бұрын

@@kickandblock yes, but because you are using a long nail with the foam sandwiched between the osb and framing, when shear force is applied the nails will just bend, tearing the foam around them. Much less shear strength vs osb directly to the frame where the nail has to shear off. Ideally you would sandwich the foam between two pieces of osb

@melissakuralt790

3 жыл бұрын

Has anyone thought of installing it upside-down so the OSB is in contact with studs?

@goetzfrank4090

3 жыл бұрын

Melissa Kuralt Hi Melissa, install in reverse would not work because the weather resistive barrier needs to be on the exterior and nailing through the foam does not work.

Matt, I absolutely love your channel. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and expertise with everyone. You are making a big impact to building practices. What is your opinion of Barricade's Thermo-Brace Sheathing? I'm considering using it since it clams to have all of the benefits of Zip, and it costs around $8.00 for a 4x8 panel.

Matt, would love to see a video like this comparing pros and cons or types or siding with a rough cost break down.

Awesome video, great information!!!

Using the Zip system with the built in insulation does have a drawback. You lose shear strength as the insulation gets thicker. Now this may not be major, but it is worth looking into. I also think diminishing return on investment is a larger issue. Building with 2 x 6 exterior walls might be better. You got to do the math.

@LloydTaylor

2 жыл бұрын

I hadn't thought of that!

@oscarb9139

2 жыл бұрын

Does anyone still frame walls with 2x4's?

@LloydTaylor

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscarb9139 what do you frame with Oscar?

@oscarb9139

2 жыл бұрын

@@LloydTaylor 2x6. Sheathed with 7/16" OSB. That is for exterior walls. Interior is 2x4.

@LloydTaylor

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscarb9139 thanks for sharing!

I can't wait for Industrial Hemp to be legal everywhere in the United States. You can make hempcrete so much cheaper. Also hemp is fire resistant, breathable meaning no mold or allergens, stronger than most materials, and many other plus properties. Hemp is the future if only it were legal. Hemp grows in 4 to 6 months so there's always a supply. Also makes oil for fuel (big oil lobbyist says NO to legalization), non flammable fabric (cotton industry lobbyist says NO too legalization), soaps, wax, non flammable paper (paper industry you guessed it thru don't wasn't it legal either), and many other products. Hemp has basically zero THC so no one is getting stoned from it. It just has a similar look to marijuana the plant that does have THC. Forget about medical marijuana I'm more interested Industrial Hemp. The back of our $10 bill in 1914 it's a picture of farmers harvesting hemp. George Washington grew fields and Fields of it. Constitution of the United States is written on hemp. Anyways vote yes to proposition 81. the legalization of industrial hemp.

@briang2981

4 жыл бұрын

SuicideKing777 didn’t the farm bill legalize this? I find it hard to believe it is fire resistant if it’s mostly carbon

@arrzfr

4 жыл бұрын

Brian G hemp itself burns like any other dry plant material, but the construction material commonly known as Hempcrete doesn‘t. It‘s code compliant in several countries across the globe, and gaining popularity. Problem is that relatively speaking, very few builders know how to work with it. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hempcrete

@daviddavid9837

4 жыл бұрын

Are you selling stock? What's your company? Do you have a video up?

Could you add the Zip R on top of your existing OSB sheeting, on a remodel instead of insulating the outside of the house with Rockwool? Could there be any benifits for doing so? Great video. Keep up the good work!

#3 is the winner because no matter the cost think of the money you will save cooling and heating . Me If I would selling the I would add it to the price of the house. It's perfect for homes in the NE weather changes from wet , cold , dry can lead to mold and break down of the wood .

3/4" plywood is slightly cheaper than 1/2" Advantec OSB... 1/2" plywood is a third cheaper... Why would anyone use Advantec?

I've been a contractor for over 40 years. Zip system sucks in real world. Go with plywood and Blueskin by Henry. Zip is soft and difficult at best to set gun pressure so you don't overset nail, Then you have to tape every seam ,door and window and every exposed edge or it will swell over 1/8 inch. After that blackjack every penetration. Really? How many shear walls with 3 inch nail spacing do you want to do that on. Oh it better not be damp outside or else the tape wont stick. Don't rub against the tape with any other building materials during the rest of the job or it will roll up into a lumpy sticky ball. I build houses, not art projects.

@TheModelmaker123

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks ChipEeter for the real world perspective. Quality control is the key.

@michaelvangundy226

5 жыл бұрын

Do you have an opinion on Certainteed OSB siding?

@AM1015-

5 жыл бұрын

After comparing all the options I feel Advantech Sheathing along with 3M 3015vp self adhered WRB will be a great option even though it is pricey

@Thebutteredsausage

5 жыл бұрын

I have used the zip system a few times and think Advantech has a awesome product.. it's much faster installation no need for house wrap... I especially like the subflooring.

@chadpendt2863

5 жыл бұрын

Most of what you said can be mitigated or outright prevented. First. Come into the 21st century. Stop lugging air compressors and hoses around the jobsite. Go cordless. Cordless nailers are much more forgiving with nail set depth. I havent overset a single nail since I went cordless 10 years ago. Over half of the nails you fasten the board with dont have to be sealed. The outside edge you have to tape anyway. If youre complaining about sealing every nail hole then youre a hypocrite because I doubt you seal every staple hole with house wrap. So dont treat the tape like you wouldnt treat any other kind of tape. Right. Buddy are you sure your complaints are with the zip sheathing? You sound like you build cookiecutter houses. I on the other hand build homes and manors. Look im not trying to rag on another professional but if you say zip sheathing is more problematic than OSB youre just plain wrong.

Also, just FYI on 9/9/2020 in New Orleans, LA at one of our lumber yards they sell the zip 4x10 for $43.87. I called 4 yards and nobody carries the ZIP-R in stock so I'll be getting 4 different phone calls tomorrow! the 4" tape is 27.62 and the required roller is 38.24....just in case people were wondering.

I love this video cost analysis. I'm going to go look for some more videos in your Playlists like this for other house materials like insulation.

I have a home from the 70's 2x4 framing here up north. Could I add the R-12 ZIP? I need to replace the siding and would like to improve insulation while I am at it.

@buildshow

5 жыл бұрын

Yes you could re-skin with Zip-R, then reside. Would easily double the R value of your walls. Would be a good time to replace windows too as you’d need to pull and reset the existing ones.

@markharro8900

5 жыл бұрын

You are the best Matt! I watch all your videos. Keep up the great work!

@PongoXBongo

5 жыл бұрын

@@markharro8900 I second the window upgrade option. After spending many years now helping older family and neighbors wash their windows, I can't recommend enough the windows that tilt inward for easy cleaning. Much better than lugging out that rickety extension ladder. ;)