What do you guys think of the Framework Laptop 13 especially now that it has an AMD CPU?

@DroisKargva

9 ай бұрын

Do you think speakers can be replaced in future?

@vismortis

9 ай бұрын

I think wording is important. The expansion ports are no different then adaptors or dongles but people are ok with it

@user-bp8yg3ko1r

9 ай бұрын

Wipes the floor with every other Laptop. Why? Because they actually care about the environment and consumer, instead of shamelessly exploiting everything and everyone, like almost everyone else, especially Apple...

@casperellison5729

9 ай бұрын

@@DroisKargvaI sure hope so, plus the option of having 2 or 4 speakers.

@todoroki4418

9 ай бұрын

Terrible screen with trash brightness and only 60hz. Should be at minimum ips 120hz or oled 60hz and needs to have better speakers and two fans.

I think every laptop review should include a comparison between the performance on battery and plugged. Thanks for doing it.

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

You’re welcome! I’ll be doing it more of my laptop videos going forward

@SirW0nka

9 ай бұрын

@@MatthewMoniz You would be the only one doing it, with NotebookCheck

@PKperformanceEU

9 ай бұрын

​​@@MatthewMonizit would be awesome if you included Cinebench 2024 CPU benchmark

@PyromancerRift

9 ай бұрын

The issue is every laptop have 1.5h of battery when on full blast. Even a macbook. It's a double edge sword to not drop performance when unplugged.

@SirW0nka

9 ай бұрын

@@PyromancerRift Many people like me use their laptop most on the go so it's important to know what kind of performance to expect. The battery life at full performance varies from one laptop to the other and a MBP will last much longer than the average laptop, definitely longer than an hour and a half. It's one on few laptops that would allow you to work on a complex After Effects during a full flight without losing performance or worrying about battery life.

This is the best product you've ever shown on your channel It is ACTUALLY repairable and upgradable, unlike Apple... + Those physical switches for the webcam and mic are awesome

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@escapenguin

9 ай бұрын

Physical switches for that stuff alone is a big plus.

Small precision, the CPU inside this laptop is an AMD 7840U (8 cores, 16 threads) processor, not a 7040U. The "7040" is the name of the product segment and not the name of the actual CPU.

Definitely not the best value for money, but I think supporting right to repair is more than worth the price.

@brunoais

9 ай бұрын

You'd end up saving over time by only buying fractions of the laptop every time you need to fix or get something new.

@Model192

9 ай бұрын

​@@brunoaisif they'll be around in 3-4 years

@OSCrustacean

9 ай бұрын

​@@Model192Well they've already been through 3 or 4 Intel upgrade cycles with the Laptop 13, and they have had insane amounts of demand for the Laptop 16 (including myself), so I feel pretty good about the chances.

@manuelpiston

8 ай бұрын

​@@Model192you should do some research.

@Model192

8 ай бұрын

@@manuelpiston thank you for the thoughtful and informative reply

Holy moly. That 1080p webcam is not what I expected. It's clearer than my future.

@spdcrzy

8 ай бұрын

I've had the FW13 since the original 11th gen came out two years ago. The webcam is SO nice.

@mtadc1545

7 ай бұрын

Imagine if you could get a 4K 120hz upgrade for it 😂

@spdcrzy

7 ай бұрын

@@mtadc1545 it's not out of the realm of possibility, honestly.

Apparently, they assemble all laptops in the factory and they have a separate station where they dissassemble the ones for DIY.

@gxnn.i

9 ай бұрын

which is so funny

@CoffeeD_1

9 ай бұрын

they probably only test one standard config for diy versions to do the qc.

@bipinnambiar

8 ай бұрын

This is like the aperture box system where they just unbox it after

Note: there is a battery drain issue with having the USB-A module in one of the rear ports on the AMD mainboards. This is a firmware issue which they're working on, but until they can either patch it or update the USB-A modules, it's something to be aware of.

@JoshBartKzTSIS

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info! I will like this to save it in my database of good info to know about framework 13

look how far AMD had come. Better performance, quieter, longer battery life. 🎉🎉🎉

I think it's probably not a good idea to put the USB-A port at that location since framework said an empty USB-A port connected to the USB4 port will result in high power draw

@m.d.1862

9 ай бұрын

i think this was fixed

It feels like I've been waiting for the AMD Framework model FOREVER. excellent review as usual Matthew!

Fun fact: They actually put everything together to test the laptop and ship them but for the diy buyers they tear them apart and pack separately.

@Brasilius.

9 ай бұрын

I thought they just slotted the motherboard with generic ram and ssd, in order to just test the important functionalities

@kbhasi

9 ай бұрын

I'm guessing it's for reasons relating to regulatory certification and quality control, as I vaguely remember a post on the official Framework blog which mentioned that.

@ChrisTian-sd5yq

9 ай бұрын

yeah and the original plan is you're the one who's gonna put the motherboard

@nefariousyawn

8 ай бұрын

Isn't it also a few bucks cheaper to get it pre-built?

@JonHaa87

8 ай бұрын

​@@nefariousyawnOnly if you consider the Windows license, which is a cheap OEM license in the prebuild models and a full license in the DIY ones. Usually the DIY edition will be otherwise cheaper as you can get SSD, RAM and so on cheaper from Amazon or other sources.

That's great about fan noise, considering my 11th Gen's fans spin up if I just glance at it!

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Ya big improvement compared to Intel

After years of defaulting to mid-range Thinkpads, this looks seriously tempting.

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Ya I mean it's a nice way to suck the maximum life out of a laptop instead of having to upgrade to a new machine more often

@sergeykish

9 ай бұрын

Used premium laptops sold at half price few years after release.

@nateTrh

9 ай бұрын

​@@sergeykishThen the battery is shot and you have to fork out quite a bit for them. If you don't care for battery life, then ised laptops are good but newer ones keep getting more efficient with the last gen or two having very good multi threaded performance.

@brainthesizeofplanet

7 ай бұрын

its better than average Thinkpad line - overall its on par with T series

@sergeykish

7 ай бұрын

@@nateTrh I usually buy with battery health 99%, replacement batteries are cheap.

I feel like this is a common confusion, but it's worth pointing out that the DIY option is actually more expensive for the same specs than the pre-built version. The DIY version is only cheaper if you bring your own ram and/or ssd.

@enkvadrat_

9 ай бұрын

how about the windows licence?

@oreo123cookie123

9 ай бұрын

The base pre-built is 1059 and the same specs in DIY is 1142. If you bring your own OS (139) that brings the DIY down to 1003 so it would be cheaper than the pre-built @@enkvadrat_

@Gramini

8 ай бұрын

@@enkvadrat_ They offer Windows licenses for 145€ and 259€ for Home and Pro respectively with the DIY option. That's a huge potential for saving money by just not using Windows.

I’m so glad they finally went AMD. Definitely the right call. Sitting here waiting for my FW 16 to ship.

FW 13 7840 owner here. The laptop does run hot and noisy. I'm running Fedora and guest VMs. If I don't turn on VMs, then its quiet and cool.

Ahh thanks for the video, mines been on order for batch 5, so very excited. Shame to hear about the speakers, I'd thought they'd upgraded them for this model as saw a speaker upgrade kit on framework marketplace - shame if they're still a little lackluster! Either way, great news and very excited for mine.

I have the 11th gen Intel Framework 13 and have an AMD upgrade kit on pre-order that should ship this week. Very very excited!

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Let me know how you like it!

7:27 "being able to keep this for 5-6 years" I thought people wanted to keep this for 10-15 years 😅 Just being able to replace the storage and battery will double the life of a laptop. Other parts simply don't break that often

@DR_1_1

9 ай бұрын

Power and mechanical issues are also common... SSD and HD from my previous laptop are all that survived!

The fan noise and short battery life of the previous models were the only two things that kept me from buying. Thanks for the review!

@brainthesizeofplanet

7 ай бұрын

Battery life of the AMD is good, 10hrs+ no problem

@rolanddenzel-authorcoach

7 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Im surprised I havent come across your channel before. Ive been in "IT" since 2008 and left the MSP world in 2020 now working in jail mgmt software and I started my own computer repair business 06/2021. I did the numbers the other night and I've worked on approx 425 computers since then! As customers upgrade their machines theyll usually leave it with me to dispose of and I fix them and either keep them or sell them. I've owned almost every brand laptop, but I want something different and this brand is so cool I might give it a try soon! Cool video! **OMG you mentioned stickers, I have such bad OCD I have to peel off the specs information sticker everytime! I say "hey, sorry my cleaning stuff warped your stickers, so I had to peel them off" Lol!

@MatthewMoniz

8 ай бұрын

That's a lot of computers fixed!! Glad you found the channel and thanks for taking the time to watch the video. Ya I comment on sticker placement in most of my laptop reviews as a joke but I do like the idea of framework!

Thanks for the wonderful review! Honestly, bad speakers are the best tradeoff I can possibly have on a laptop. If I want good sound I plug in some headphones or external speakers anyway :D

Great review, thanks. Will you do a review of the framework 16?

Sticker Guy Watching: "Billions? WHERE??!" 😂 Also that battery Life. It gives me hope for the 16in. Obviously it won’t be the same. If I can get 6 - 8 Hours consistently, sweet. I'm in Batch 1, I just hope there isn't ay crazy issues and the speakers are good enough.

Got mine preordered with the next Ryzen CPU. Can't wait.

Battery life and heat is shocking considering the single fan!

Never heard of this company. Great job Matthew

0:47 - 1:33 This speedrun of putting that Framework Laptop 13 with AMD Ryzen 7040 U series is better than most Twitch streamers! 😂

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

LOL i actually did it pretty slow when installing everything but thankfully speeding it up solved that problem haha

I'd love to see a dark gray chassis like the Lenovo legion series has. I just can't go back as I find that color so calming and luxurious

It's pretty much what I've always wanted. Sure it has some rough edges, but that's fine - I don't expect Apple-obsessive-perfect. I'd love to get rid of my desktop once and for all, but the serviceability of most laptops is awful.

@kamisatoayaka9039

9 ай бұрын

Functional over cosmetic...

@rubbersoul420

9 ай бұрын

You can never get as good of cooling in a laptop, at least with current choices.

@escapenguin

9 ай бұрын

@@rubbersoul420 that's to be expected, but for my needs it's more than enough. Would be interesting to see how it handles hotter climate scenarios, though.

@DR_1_1

9 ай бұрын

@@rubbersoul420 Since I'm using an arm stand I have less issues, also the fan gets less dust that easily accumulates on a desk, so less noisy...

There are all kinds of USB-C -> * cables (DisplayPort, HDMI, etc.). And there are cheap adapters you can use to convert USB-A to USB-C. Given that, my plan is to just get 4 USB-C (passthrough) cards, and one Ethernet card. No need for USB-A or HDMI card.

Damn that webcam is really good. Mic also sounds good for a laptop mic.

dang, that camera and mic quality. thats a wow for me

Please put some separators on the bezel to protect the screen, otherwise is gonna end up like Linus', with all the keys marked on it. I use little patches of Bicycle Inner Tube with double sided tape to increase the separation when the lid is closed

The webcam looks centered to me, especially if you use your profile picture in that shot as a reference. I think the left microphone is probably throwing off the sense of balance.

I like the idea of frame work laptops, but I think taking one dongle that has a bunch of different ports you might need would be easier than carrying a bunch of different expansion cards incase you might need one

@Baka9o

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's probably true. What I see the value in though is that everyone can choose their interfaces and have the freedom to change them in the future if needed.

This video mentions having the 61Wh battery. Do you have to buy that separately? Because on their website there only seems to be an option to get this laptop with the 55Wh battery, unless you pre-order the version with the new higher resolution 120 Hz display which obviously wasn't around when this video was made.

Are there issues with the 7840u and drivers? Also some people are saying they can't put their laptops to hibernate, only sleep and it sucks all the battery juice dry.. I'm a tech noob so could someone comment if these issues are with Linux only for 7840u? Looking to buy one and the more I research the comments, the more confused I get with the techie forums...

If I had 2 USB-C towards the back expansion bays. Where would you put the HDMI card?

Another benefit that I haven't seen much discussion about: I've found that external GPUs are much more stable plugged into my 7840u than my 12th gen board. If I didn't disable the iGPU on the Intel board, I'd get crazy stuttering, which I don't get on the new AMD board.

good afternoon. I watched your review very clearly, keep up the good work. I can’t choose between Legion 7gen 7 r7 6800h rx 6850m xt(140w) vs Legion 5 pro core i7 13700hx and rtx 4060. What should I choose if I do graphic design photoshop and 4k video editing. Will there be a problem with 8vram in the future and with an explanation. Thank you! Pls help me🥹

No one is talking about how good the webcame really is

i am curious if i can improve the speakers with measurement and some dsp.

I've always had a little Intel bias as I've always used them for my laptops. This AMD-based version looking pretty dang strong though!

@MRJMXHD

5 ай бұрын

Same lol

My god lavender is the best! I immediately ordered one, and hope it is as quiet as you described.

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Let me know how you like it when you get it!

Speakers are one of THE hardest things to tune for laptops. I'm amazed that FW13 speakers sound anywhere near as good as they do, to be honest.

Between Apple's M series chips and AMD's chip Intel has been taking quite a beating lately.

I am so down for a sticker free deck!

Between this and an X1 Carbon, which do you prefer?

Brightness is a concern, their website states > 400 nits And I plan to replace my 2021 XPS (400 nits) with this FWK laptop, but if it's 100 nits less bright, that's a real problem

@anshulshah1703

9 ай бұрын

Most other reviewers reported >=400nits so I think Matthew's model might have been a one off

@MySonicDragon

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I was surprised at that as well, thought it was supposed to be brighter. 300 nits is not enough. Hopefully it's just this specific unit but even then it speaks to quality control concerns.

@AndrewPL5

9 ай бұрын

I own the 12th gen framework 13, it's plenty bright. I often turn brightness down in most cases...

@MySonicDragon

9 ай бұрын

@@AndrewPL5yeah that makes more sense, notebookcheck's review shows around 400 nits which is plenty for indoor use. Decent for outdoors in shade too

@AndreaIppolitoIppo

9 ай бұрын

@@AndrewPL5 that's reassuring, thanks!

Thanks!

Glad you covered the AMD framework !

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Hope you enjoyed it!

@remigoldbach9608

9 ай бұрын

Top review !

Great video!

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Thank you !

The screen seems a bit weak and coming from a XPS with that near infinity bezel is hard to stomach. BUT I really like this laptop and this might well be my next laptop since the XPS 13 decided to remove the 'esc' key. AMD is a huge positive selling point!

Can you put the motherboard into the 16in case?

The webcam to me looks way better than any webcam on an XPS or Apple laptop, I'm shocked!

Video and microphone sound ok, Matthew (not horrible, not great).

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Ya the webcam is ok and the mic is not the greatest

3:51 Interestingly it's actually the opposite way around iirc: Intel used to give OEMs a discount if they were willing to put the stickers on the laptop. That's why you only saw sticker-free keyboard decks on more expensive laptops because design was valued higher and they figured their customers would be willing to pay the difference to have a cleaner, sticker-free deck.

@MatthewMoniz You really don't wanna put the USB A in one of the back 2 ports (USB 4), because those 2 ports have retimers and there's a flaw the makes the laptop not go to the proper sleep state, thus making you have power drain while 'sleeping'. They're going to have to make a hardware revision on that adapter, but more on that is on the Framework blog.

@emiellr

9 ай бұрын

By the way, the display is 400 nits, not 303 like you said

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

I measured 303 with my calibration tool. I'll double check again

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Just redid the test. Double checked to make sure auto brightness is off it scored 308 nits.

@emiellr

9 ай бұрын

@@MatthewMoniz oh that's weird, their website states >400

@emiellr

9 ай бұрын

@@MatthewMoniz might be worth shooting them an email?

Just wish their was room for a slightly wider keyboard with dedicated home,end,pgup,pgdown keys

As a Canadian shopper, I am unfortunately priced out on this. I love the idea, but I paid $1240 for a 7840u/32gb/16" ThinkPad, whereas the 13" framework would be $2200... that's just not workable

@bunyrabbit

9 ай бұрын

Where was that from, if you don't mind me asking

@opensourcedev22

9 ай бұрын

@@bunyrabbit directly from Lenovo Canada. I had a webpage price detect monitor running and they had a $600 discount last Saturday evening.

@chunthebear

8 ай бұрын

Hey! What website is that for price detect? TIA!

Can anyone tell me how hot the SSD is going to get? Does it throdel?😅

Anyone know if the Linux kernel supports the framework motherboard and extensions?

Most folks wear headphones or are using Bluetooth speakers or something. All laptop speakers are fair too poor. Always have been. I love the DIY aspect and just trying to decided if I go 13 or 16. Its use case is portable work when I am on film set and need another computer besides my Lighting Console (custom 4U Rack Server Ryzen). Or as a tracking back up for lighting. Having the ability to have 2 display ports is huge. Without needing a dock. I am a purple girl but that lavender is blah I agree with you. Thank you for the review ❤

Back on the Intel 12th gen revisions I was considering the Framework to a refurb 14 M1 Pro...the M1 won out for a lot of reasons but let me tell you, it was a tough decision. Now with the Ryzen board I'd be an even tougher option. I'm not editing video, just photo's and I have children who *love* to touch my laptop with wet, greasy hands or bang other objects on it. It gives me anxiety because you're not replacing anything on the MacBook. So, I still think about selling the Mac and getting the Framework. I'm just too invested in MacOS at this point.

Repairability.. Should mention it as well. Every component can be ordered seperatly

The not hiring gthe sticker guy part didn't made sense to me. LIke companies put the stickers on the laptops because it gives them discount per unit from the manufacturer as it sort of advertises the processor or the GPU for which the company gives discount to the system integrator. And I feel the reason why framework can't put a sticker on their laptop is because their interior components can be changed with other parts like intel cpu instead of AMD so it doesn't gives assurance to the manufacturer that their sticker is actually serving purpose and thus Framework is required to pay extra to Intel/AMD/Nvidia.

@enkvadrat_

9 ай бұрын

the stickers should only be for marketing so I does it really matter that it is the correct processor inside?

I need to get a laptop to take on the road, light LR editing and very quick and easy 4k edits in Davinci Resolve 18 Studio (using proxies) (DJI air3 DLOG-M and Canon R5 vids) would this laptop be able to handle that? Looking at the AMD 7840U with 64GB RAM. I have my desktop pc for the heavy lifting with photo/video editing I just need something when away for weeks at a time. I need something ultra portable and reliable to take with me. Mac is not an option and I love the idea of this being upgradable.

@DR_1_1

9 ай бұрын

Why no Mac? games? I'm a Windows user, but I'm asking myself this question regularly...

@mattdamarell

9 ай бұрын

I have no interest in gaming but I also have no interest in mac. Just my preference.

@DR_1_1

9 ай бұрын

@@mattdamarell Good. My first computer was Apple, I was a kid, my father paid it. Since then there is something I don't like about Mac, although they are shiny and performant. I can't tell exactly what.

funny, removing the macBooks from the battery comparison :P FYI my daily use M1 Air battery prediction keeps maxing out the 20h @ 50% charge after 3 years

Another reviewer mentioned that the screen wobble got worse in 6 months. Sure there is way to tighten it somehow, or replacement hinges.

I'd buy this in a hear beat if this was available here

Corp ITs reach a consensual to adopt desktop reuse and upgrade eco framework and a common infrastructure??

I like the idea of this, especially the configurable ports, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of savings. I'm able to keep my macbook pros for 8-10 years because I buy them with a lot of RAM and because they are built well enough to last. I've never had a non-mac laptop last more than 4 years before it physically breaks down. It seems unlikely to me that the Framework laptop would last long enough (through enough upgrade cycles) to save enough $ to beat a long lasting macbook. You can get more performance per $ from non-macs but over time the well built macbook becomes the better value.

@typowilliams

6 ай бұрын

It is true that Macbooks, when they run well, can last a long time. But repairability is where the Framework has a huge advantage. Unfortunately Apple has set up their ecosystem to where you have to have an Apple professional repair it for an insane amount of money. For me I love the peace of mind that if a part malfunctions or breaks, I can easily get the part and slap it on myself. I just find it an added perk that you can always upgrade little bits of it later as they improve.

I’d buy one in a heartbeat if its screen was nicer. Other than that it seems perfect.

Remember the times when all laptop cpus were socketed and swappable?

I think they have doby seriffed speakers now but I’m not too sure

Can it be used without a battery in clamshell mode on AC?

@DR_1_1

9 ай бұрын

Why would you do that?

I still perfer the screen on my Lenovo Slim 7i Pro X. It floats almost over the edge and is super glossy with almost no border. This Framework has a silver frame around the display for some odd reason which would drive me crazy. I like the rest of it other than that.

once theres an option for 1920x1200 120hz or higher screen option, framework is my next daily driver

@wabberjockybrah3983

9 ай бұрын

they have the 16in gaming version. 165hz 2k display. Im on preorder waitlist

@LeSean_James

9 ай бұрын

@@wabberjockybrah3983 i do feel 2560x1600 is bit too much for 13.5 inch but def perfect for 16 inch

@wabberjockybrah3983

9 ай бұрын

Yes. That is for the 16in. Hoping one day the company would have a new display panel 120hz for the 13in.

Why does the display only get to 300? They advertise it as 500 nits?

Weird. On the website it says the screen is rated at 400 + nits.

why not buy an extension port that makes 1 usb c into an ethernet, hdmi, usb A, etc etc instead of carrying all these extra cards? Genuine question.

First thing I do when I get a new laptop is remove those obnoxious stickers on and below the laptop. Second thing I do is install Linux.

@freighter1097

Ай бұрын

Want to know how to spot a Linux user? No need to worry! They'll tell you.

i love it when a reviewer says that "the speakers are awful" and here I am listening to this on an ancient X220 😂

So you CAN update the cpu on this ????

Barebone 13'' 7840U in US - 1169 USD -> ~1100 EUR Barebone 13'' 7840U in EU ~1451 USD -> 1369 EUR Well...

if it can achieve 4W idle / web browsing power consumption, I may get it. But it won't beat the M2 chip in that regards ....

Matthew, I like you for years now, but I have to admit your profile picture in Windows log in screen is much better than your regular face. I hope you don't take it the wrong way. Stupid jokes aside, ok very stupid jokes aside, this looks like a sweet laptop. As for the camera/mic, I kid you not that based on online videos, this camera looks the best I have ever seen in a laptop. I have to say, I like this. I like this a lot. I can't afford to buy it, but I like it a lot. The temps are sweet too. The RX780M is great for what it is too. Thanks for the review.

@MatthewMoniz

9 ай бұрын

Hahaha I agree that profile pic is much better than my face.

I love my M1air but its soldered in ssd is really going to offend me when it dies and I have to put the whole laptop in the bin so I really hope framework is successful and influences the mega companies to stop making designed to fail products for no other reason than more money. Although laws like the Eu passed on UsbC seem more likely to acheive that.

With a 90Hz / 120Hz (variable) display it would be absolutely perfect.

Was the 11th gen Intel tested with the 56whr or 61whrs battery?

@AndrewPL5

9 ай бұрын

11th gen comes with the 56 battery not the new 61.

@NENathaniel

9 ай бұрын

@@AndrewPL5 yes but it can easily be upgraded to the larger battery

@AndrewPL5

9 ай бұрын

@@NENathaniel as that is true, I don't think it would make sense to upgrade the battery just for the test. And I don't think you can buy the larger battery yet off the marketplace.

love it but the price is rival ones with similar spec + decent GPU

waiting for a 120hz display before buying into a framework 13.

Battery life is better than I expected

Speakers are upgradable?

@JoeHoeDoesSomething

5 ай бұрын

Yes but it's not really higher quality audio just louder

I like this, but the low screen brightness and crappy speakers, are killers for me. Like I have a T480 and the speakers are the worse thing ever sompared to my other laptops, best ones are the ones in my M1 16inch, but I would rather daily a linux laptop

High praise if it’s greatest weakness is it’s speakers.

I like this idea of laptop, but I wish the screen was better since its one of the things you carry with you as you upgrade. An Oled panel would have been great here. I dont care if its 60hz.

I would like to see an OLED screen