We're excited to do more work on these! The DAN Case is next -- but what's after that? What ITX cases do you all find most interesting? We're wide open to suggestions! Learn about the hemi-anechoic chamber build here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l4mlu7aenqWYcZM.html And learn more about its use cases in the first section of this HW News video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mZyHuLCFiJvKh7g.html

@brentschmogbert

10 ай бұрын

Nr200p max

@ryothgg9283

10 ай бұрын

Meshlicious/Meshroom!

@rcradiator

10 ай бұрын

Review some classics like the Ncase M1 v6 (if you can get one, they're discontinued now). The Ncase along with the Dan A4-SFX are longtime classic SFF cases.

@Slyfoxes05

10 ай бұрын

ncase M1Evo or FormD T1

@henrythegreatamerican8136

10 ай бұрын

Ewwwww..... a 30 minute video review of a case. I wonder if Linus Tech has any better videos I can watch right now.

As an Audio Engineer it makes me happy to see this level of testing on sound. I watched the video on the chamber and was excited to see the upcoming tests.

@minmb82

10 ай бұрын

Like LMG labs? Oh, they are no longer exist...

@amacias2012

10 ай бұрын

Very reassuring as a consumer to see audio engineers give the thumbs up!

@911canihelpu

10 ай бұрын

@@minmb82 low blow my /Vi99er

@GBR9794

10 ай бұрын

@@minmb82 Linus is doomed, no need to talk about him, just let Twitter do its thing.

@OAlexisSamaO

10 ай бұрын

@@minmb82 who?

I cannot tell you how excited I am that not only is GN getting into ITX reviews, but that you’re also tailoring the tests to account for how ITX is different from a regular full tower build. Testing different cooling configurations is a HUGE help for those researching or building an SFF PC, and a lot of reviewers aren’t nearly as thorough when it comes to the objective testing portion. Thanks for the hard work you put into everything!

@_R8ze_

10 ай бұрын

Agree. Looking forward to more advanced Thermals and Sound, having built ITX it can take a lot of tweaking on a single build, getting comparisons across many builds in one place with consistency GN brings is huge.

@HecticGlenn

10 ай бұрын

yes indeed me too, still have a Corsair 250D ITX case which looks a bit of a monster compared to these kind of new cases!

@jmiller6066

10 ай бұрын

Same. I'm a big fan of SFF cases due to portability, aesthetics, and generally just not taking up a ridiculous amount of space. And unlike most ATX cases where frankly it's pretty hard to screw up unless you do something really ridiculous, SFF is very sensitive to the specifics of how things are installed / laid out / etc.

@jvtrevisan

10 ай бұрын

I agree too! Awesome job Steve!

@delxinogaming6046

10 ай бұрын

Yes, and also folks who choose ITX care more for form factor, and dont buy the biggest GPU or GPUs flow through (e.g. founders)

The PITA Factor is what I wish reviewers would have done years ago when ITX started becoming a thing. So glad to see GN taking the lead on this since it could save people hours of research trying to compare the buildability for different cases before spending more hours confirming that the selected components actually fit in the case which can't be avoided. Great coverage and consumer advice, as usual!

@chanhien4000

9 ай бұрын

I agree, that was why I invested in custom power cables specifically shaped to the case.

@janmarucha9138

9 ай бұрын

OptimumTech specializes in ITX cases and discusses ease of build and configuration options in details. The thermal and acustic metrics are not as detailed as in GN, but well, not everyone has GN's lab

@Looo0007

9 ай бұрын

to me, PITA factor is something you just... sacrifice for the look and volume. beauty is pain, as people say. but i do agree, showing how much harder case A is to build compared to case B can be a determining factor when choosing a case.

@markbooth3066

9 ай бұрын

Yup, I built an ITX PC for my folks a few years ago and the PITA factor is why I swore off ever doing it again. Their next PC will be an M-ATX build, since there are so many smaller options these days.

@WowCoolHorse

9 ай бұрын

@@Looo0007 yeah but depending on people's skills it can result in damage to hardware or just giving up

I've got a lot of respect for Fractal's new outlook. I'm confident they'll continue to work on this extremely challenging form factor.

@manny9323

9 ай бұрын

What sucks is that customers who spend their hard-earned cash on poorly designed/under designed cases are treated like they’re paying to be beta testers.

@chrismcpherson7582

7 ай бұрын

​@@manny9323the wonderful thing is you don't actually have to pay for it

@theglowcloud2215

6 ай бұрын

Can't tell if this comment is sarcasm

Didn't really realise until now how tricky small case reviews are, massively impressed with the displayed methodology tho and I'm curious to see more of these reviews to see how you end up comparing cases to each other. Also props for the peer review stuff and hiring experts to invite constructive criticism. This is why you guys are industry leaders. Good shit, love to see it!

@CapnSnackbeard

10 ай бұрын

I want GN to use it's years of experience to work with someone to bring out a new motherboard formfactor/case design updated for extant GPU/CPU products and their coolers. Get with some small fabs, an independent designers and see what they could make, and how to make it pro worker/ pro environment/pro consumer forever.

@zivzulander

10 ай бұрын

You know they take things seriously when they start throwing around words like "peer review" or "vibrometer"* * on any other channel I might start asking if that was a real thing and not a science fiction invention or adult toy, but since this is GN I'll take Steve's word that it is indeed an actual tool 😁

I wasn't expecting the Adobe Audition portion to be so effective at showing the noise characteristics. That really highlights the vibration induced. I am so ready for more of this super detailed analysis.

Absolutely love the direction this channel keeps heading. The indepth dedication and pursuit to testing, never ceases to amaze me!

@gertjanvandermeij4265

9 ай бұрын

Rather see him ROASTING LTT !

@Galf506

9 ай бұрын

@@gertjanvandermeij4265 touch grass

@BlissBatch

9 ай бұрын

They're actually willing to spend 100, 200, 500 dollars to test something!

It's absolutely impressive how thoroughly you conduct your reviews and the lengths to which you go for accuracy's sake. And I love watching your case reviews, even though I've had the same case for years now and can't justify changing it.

@Standenanian

9 ай бұрын

Same. Though as a Carbide 540 Chad this one does appeal. It has a great color, too.

Love these reviews. I'm eventually going to build a new computer after 6 years, and am really wanting a small form factor build.

@smmmokin

10 ай бұрын

Video is 2 minutes old. You didn't even watch it yet

@tomquimby8669

10 ай бұрын

I want lower thermals and noise so CTE for me next.

@cszolee7979

10 ай бұрын

Alas I chose my case based on Steve's verdict ("we don't mind recommending this case") :)

@c3nsr

10 ай бұрын

@@smmmokin he didn't say anything about the video itself

@Nixeen

10 ай бұрын

I've been debating between the Sliger S620 and the Dan Case C4

20:09 is why I trust GN. It is not enough for them to tell me why I should trust their data -- they prove it. You continue to raise the bar in this space. Thanks for the hard work GN team.

@junkotamiya

10 ай бұрын

As someone who works in academia, I really appreciate that GN uses at least 2 different sources for peer review. Ideally, you would want at least 3 sources, in the event of disagreement between peer reviewers so as to weigh their assessment (for example, if 2 think one way while the other thinks differently). But, for this particular review, if both peer reviewers are in agreement, then that's fine. I am loving how GN is improving the quality of its reviews and showing its work. Honestly, if GN published its behind-the-scenes of the entire review process to its GN Extras channel, I would gobble that up even if such videos were hours and hours long. Excellent work GN!

@surft

10 ай бұрын

Another reason why I trust them is that if they make a mistake they will take the video down and retest unlike some other company there that leaves it up and just use some KZread tool to cut out the offending part and keeping the obviously ill informed conclusion, because it will effect monitization.

@jerookaskeroo28

9 ай бұрын

Tech Jesus all the way!

I bought my Phanteks P500 based on Gamers Nexus review. This channel testing and objective results speaks volume. 3 years later, I still love the PC case. Thank You STEVE!

My favorite part about this review is how it's indepth and at the same time easy to get. You go into detail on what the noise levels and noise frequency spectrum of this case are, while explaining to the regular consumer what those numbers mean and how they affect them. Bravo!

I find the ITX crowd to be super hard core. They’re expensive, but very cool! (To me). Like, I’ve loved my big cases over the years, but then you see people like Optimum Tech build these hyper machines in tiny shoe box cases, performing fairly decently and that is pretty impressive to me. This case may not be for me, but I’m inching closer and closer to picking up something similar.

@hunterjohnson7666

10 ай бұрын

Take the ITX pill, it's worth it. I switched to the Dan A4-h20 and got temps as good or better to similar atx cases with a little bit of undervolting.

@JWSoul

10 ай бұрын

Super idiots more like

@johnsuckher3037

10 ай бұрын

@@LTNetjak tiny tables

@Herr.Mitternacht

10 ай бұрын

If the case and build are good you barely suffer any performance reduction. They are great

@Contractor815

10 ай бұрын

I encourage you to make the switch! I did it five years ago and it has absolutely been worth it.

Very slick video editing, and production value. I particularly liked how legible the frequent overlays were, text or otherwise. Readable, and gives me a great jumping-off point for ITX case expectations

OMG, Steve is finally reviewing ITX cases? I've been looking forward to this day for years now, thank you so much!

I went full ATX because I have the room and I didn't want to limit myself with size restrictions, but I freakin love these reviews. It is so cool seeing all of the various options you can throw together. Another great vid, thanks!

@CarnivoryHODL

10 ай бұрын

O11 air mini’s still a solid choice

@coryandrum

10 ай бұрын

Do you use the extra PCI? I kept buying ATX thinking id one day need a better network card or optical out till I just gave in to the adorable PC life.

Great review! I’m so happy to see GN is finally reviewing ITX cases. GN not reviewing itx cases is one of the main reasons I didn’t jump into getting one. I’d love to see the cooler master nr200 reviewed next. Great budget itx case that looks newbie friendly!

So awesome to see you guys evolving with your new sound chamber and testing methodologies. The future of GN is bright! Now I need to see Steve wearing some stunner shades 8)

@brucemc72

9 ай бұрын

You don't think he pissed off the algorithm ? I'm calling it now GN will be gone in 12 months.

@nickmhc

9 ай бұрын

@@brucemc72lol

never really watched your channel before the video about ltt, and i have to say, this is a whole another level of professionalism, and attention to detail and quality. i'm extremly impressed, and i subscribed.

You have been always my go to for tech reviews always go in depth and throughout testing Keep up the good work!

@masterreset5821

10 ай бұрын

🍆 how does he taste jw

@kremeszdaboi1862

9 ай бұрын

-10

Built my first PC in 2017 and now im back looking at all the new tech to build a new one, happy to see steve and GN still killing it after all these years your video's helped my out a TON back in the day.

Steve, your level of depth of testing is on another level. That is why I watch your channel every time new video drops. Thanks for great content.

Really cool case to review! Always enjoy case reviews, so it's great to see other form factors explored in-depth. Also looking forward to learning more about your peer review and consulting for the sound testing chamber--Great to see such a serious commitment to quality!

Small form factor build is somewhat niche. Because of its niche, the SFF community lacked objective measurements in terms of thermals, acoustics. I am glad to see that is changing, thanks to GN! I look forward to seeing more these in-depth reviews with PITA factor!

@tarfeef_4268

10 ай бұрын

While the noise testing isn't as deep, optimum tech has done an excellent job for a while, especially for enthusiasts due to the methodology that suits how enthusiasts build

@bothellkenmore

10 ай бұрын

I've seen a few ITX builds/reviews over the years and always assumed it was for people who liked them because they were "cute" or had OCD or who knows why. Thinking about it now there's plenty of people who have IRL space issues like living on a sailboat, a tiny home, an RV or maybe made an impromptu home office out of a closet when they needed to work from home. All that said I'm never going smaller than mATX to avoid the pitfalls.

@thesongoflunch

10 ай бұрын

@@bothellkenmore Or it's a general aesthetic thing? I have a pretty standard mid-tower case but it still and ugly box that takes up a lot of room and I have no interest in "showing off my components". Hopefully more SFF cases get the GN treatment and we end up with even better cases!

@drchtct

9 ай бұрын

​@@bothellkenmoreit's for people who don't want a big ugly box in their room

@moira4707

9 ай бұрын

​@@bothellkenmoreThere are compromises, but they aren't all limited like (or as small as) these Fractal Terra/Dan A4 cases My NR200 is more than roomy enough to be easy to build in a fit decently sized coolers for both the CPU and GPU, but it also is ~50% bigger than the terra - still ways off from a midtower, though.

Absolutely fantastic work guys. I was a recording engineer years ago, and I really want to learn more about your chamber and testing methodology. Can't wait for that vid! I was at a coworkers house today and helped his 2 sons build their first gaming pcs. They loved the GN build mat I was using and they wanted to know where I go to keep up with the latest info. Hopefully just made you 2 more fans. As always, keep up the good work GN!

Wow! A semi anechoic center! Damn, stepping up! Love how you are providing objective testing that will help the OEM improve their product design!

Love to see an ITX case put through its paces! On the topic of controls (ie: standardised components) I could recommend what @OptimumTech did: locking down to a Corsair 750 SFX and a founders edition 4080 so that the only variable is the CPU cooler (but even there, there are options, like Noctuas NH-L9i or NH-L9a which basically fit every ITX case as being such low profile that the I/O shield will be the limiting factor). That could be the important metric here: which actual, tower style CPU cooler fits a case? 🙂

IVE BEEN WATING FOR U GUYS TO DO ITX REVIEWS FOR SO LONG. ITX cases/builds are my guilty pleasure and seeing you guys apply that quality of work to the products in this space is so exciting

Your dedication and ethics are outstanding. Most reviewers wouldn't bother validating their methodology with third parties. The fact that you did, received valuable comments and are already taking steps to incorporate these is excellent. Thanks for your hard work & big respect!

I've been waiting for this review for a while now, I'm glad it's finally out

Awesome to see new ITX reviews! For the ITX enthusiasts, it would be great to see some reviews of older but still well-acclaimed cases as well to get a good comparison between them and newer cases. I think the Cooler Master NR200 and NR200P could definitely deserve a review for example.

I’m so ready for GN level ITX reviews!

@GamersNexus

10 ай бұрын

We're really excited about it! It's been a lot of fun working on something familiar (cases), and yet totally different (ITX)!

Great work as usual, I'm very excited seeing more ITX case reviews from you guys!

Wow you guys hit 2 million now, it's great to see this channel's growth.

The acoustic measuring was really interesting. I'm also glad that you included the visual representation of the noise frequencies.

@PSYCHOV3N0M

10 ай бұрын

Unlike what LTT Labs would've done.....

I love ITX and SFF content! Please keep covering this stuff!

@IRefuseToUseThisStupidFeature

10 ай бұрын

I just wish it wasn't absurdly overpriced. Hopefully if it gets more popular then that will change (with Economies Of Scale).

Thank you so much for doing proper ITX case reviews. I've been looking into building a new pc with a small case as the current one is so damn big.

Super pumped for ITX reviews!

I’ve been waiting for a review of this case. And you hit it out of the park with it. And it being your first ITX review with the new sound chamber makes it so much more impressive. Awesome video

The level of detail in the review is mind boggling. Kudos to the team. Asking for peer reviews 🤯

I’m so excited for this. I hope that this will further help case makers listen and improve!

Yay! So excited about this content. Your dedication to the fair review process is admirable!

Love the wood and green combo, really like fractals design's in general but it feels a bit to expensive in this case ^^

@Razzbow

10 ай бұрын

Haha, case

@darbstre2900

10 ай бұрын

It's not a bad price relative to other ITX cases.

@tuckerhiggins4336

10 ай бұрын

Itx isn't cheap and never has been

@darbstre2900

10 ай бұрын

@@tuckerhiggins4336 bUt ItS lEsS mAtErIaL

@Dudewitbow

10 ай бұрын

Keep in mind, one of the largest reasons why Sandwich style cases are expensive is because most bundle pci-e 4.0 risers with them. That's already a 40-80$ cost attached to it(back then, it was even higher)

The Ghost had a similar issue. That's why a lot of people would use the L12. Doubled as a large cooler, and the fan had to go on the bottom so you didn't get that negative noise profile.

The attention to detail! This is what we want as customers. The truth. Thank you.

Thank you so much for this great report!!! The testing approach you use is absolutely impressive!

I just realized the channel as a whole has surpassed half a billion views, crazy accomplishment thanks to the tenacity and integrity of steve and the rest of the GN team. Thanks Steve :)

@LloydDunamis

10 ай бұрын

Oh. Whoa, odd. I didn't think they'd still be under a billion views while Jayz hit the 1B views early July this year. Nevertheless, a great accomplishment indeed!

@JamesonHuddle

9 ай бұрын

@@LloydDunamis jayz has twice as many subs so more or less checks out

Outsourcing your QA to GN means you don't only learn about its issues but you're also given the solution.

Congrats on the testing methodology. Just wow! Keep it up!

Congrats on hitting 2 million subs! I would give you 2 million to celebrate, but sadly I don't have that kind of cash. Here's 2 instead. You guys are awesome.

We don't deserve the level of professionalism and detailed reviews you guys bring to the industry. Thanks a lot for your work.

@ChrisGR93_TxS

10 ай бұрын

That's how it works when there's no ego in a team and you work with actual human beings.

@muhammedalitoya1505

9 ай бұрын

These reviews are ridiculously detailed compared to anyone else in youtube. They do speak in full engineer jargon mode, which is fine for tech channel of course. LTT however were blindsighted by their success and it really does show. Corners are cut in every step. They should be ashamed.

I am thoroughly impressed by your new acoustic testing setup, and very excited to see where you go with it. Also these new case reviews are excellent.

You guys just kick butt, pure and simple. I've always enjoy, and equally respected, your attention to detail and accuracy, and this level is fantastic to see (and hear??? lol). Nice stuff! Keep it up!

Impressive and insanely helpful test methods. Keep up the good work, this has massive potential. 🙂

It's refreshing seeing a review of a product that actually, y'know, reviews the product.

Awesome review and data from the new chamber dude. Steve you and your team are the quality and professionalism this industry deserves. Looking forward for the next one

Great review, i love your new setup. Many nice b-roll shots too. I'm happy you got this far over the years.

Thanks Steve! Absolutely love itx case reviews/deep dives. Your scientific approach is the gold standard. Much love 😎🤘💚💜

Videos like this is why I fully trust Gamers Nexus when making a purchase decision. Never disappointed, well done!!!!

As a SFF case enjoyer, the more ITX case reviews the better, especially when they are of GN quality. Very excited to see more.

@arisakathedappergoose4796

9 ай бұрын

same, I moved to ITX/SSF after 980 days, when SLI was killed off. I love my NFCSkyreach build

Hugely in-depth review. Well done!

24:16 - That's the sound of Brood X cicadas when they emerge every 17 years. Imagine this same tone everywhere you go for days and weeks on end!

I just got the green terra and I have to say it looks even better in person than on camera. It was super easy to build in too, Im happy with it.

@plantherain

9 ай бұрын

did u go intel ?

@Bpinator

9 ай бұрын

@@plantherain No, Ryzen 5 7600

@tinyoku

15 күн бұрын

​@@Bpinator hows the cpu hoolding up?

@Bpinator

14 күн бұрын

@@tinyoku Works well, though to be honest I think I would’ve rather had not gone the Terra if I had to do it all over again. The two problems I have are heat and noise. It has been a struggle to keep it cool, I ended up putting a thermal limit in the bios, which solved the problem at the cost of cpu performance under load. The noise problem is way worse though. CPU and GPU fan aren’t too bad, but the fan on my motherboard is. I am using fan control to limit the SSD fan to 50%, which so far hasn’t caused any issues but I do not like a hacky solution like that. Without it though it’s the noisiest computer I’ve ever had. So all in all, I’ve kind of gotten soured on ITX, though it could have just been I didn’t build it well.

@tinyoku

14 күн бұрын

@@Bpinator thanks for the update, i had seen reviews saying its the side pannels that amplify any fan joise going on in the case which is what made me look at alternatives since i do want a quiet system, any flaws with the 7600? Or does it handle everything well

Really appreciated the style and focus of this review. As someone who had already purchased the case, I still found the review very useful for figuring out, how to get the most of my component choice. As a first time ITX builder I found the build process pretty much painless with the Terra, compared to what I had heard from others, trying to build in this form factor. Thank you for the video.

This is a good review and also a really good descriptive introduction to their methodology. I once had a job working on building a test lab, and it's not easy.

so much more detail to the testing methodology, the true labs right here my boy. keep up the great work! you make my audio engineer side very happy!

I like this video. Very informative, Steve and team you did a great job. Now I shall watch the video.

@smmmokin

10 ай бұрын

The video was released 1 minute ago fanboy

@brianpurcell833

10 ай бұрын

​@@smmmokinI think that was the joke

@lawgamingtv9627

10 ай бұрын

​@@smmmokinyour brain is real smooth huh?😅

@coldshock5181

10 ай бұрын

​@@smmmokinIronic since the comment is making fun of the fanboys lmao

@warg0x4e

10 ай бұрын

​@@smmmokinpot calling the kettle black.

Almost done with my Gamers Nexus-themed Terra build. Excellent ITX/SFF case for modding. I quite like how easily you can tear down the entire case to its core pieces.

@christopherjames9843

10 ай бұрын

and ruin it lol!

@helium5912

10 ай бұрын

I just built a i9-13900k/Strix 4090 Terra. Both blocked. And im using a Mora420 pro for the external rad. SO happy.

@johanlangstone3344

3 ай бұрын

​@helium5912 hey dude sorry to bring up old shit... do you have a build on PC part picker or have you posted photos of your build anywhere? I'm looking at doing pretty much the same build and would like to see how you ran everything and what 4090 and waterblocks you used.

As a SFF enthusiast I am really liking the direction you're taking on the ITX reviews. One thing I noticed in the shots demonstrating chassis fan mounting is that they were mounted as intake. Typically what I find on sandwich cases is exhaust is overall better for temperatures since the negative pressure enhances the GPU/CPU fans ability to intake fresh air from the side panels.

love the new noise testing. Also, i thought you were late on the testing for this case, since most youtube channels have reported on it weeks ago. But this test is just waaaay more deep than the others. Much appreciated!

So glad you did that LTT hit piece. Saved me a lot of time this week

I'm *really* digging the new acoustic testing! Especially the spectrogram to demonstrate some of the less obvious sound considerations. Looking forward to more. :)

With how nice the case looks it's a shame how annoying it can sound. If Fractal can put out a v2 with different ventilation on the panels then that'd be nice to see. Also it's great to see the new testing be put in a new review along with third party testing to validate it! I can't wait to see the methodology video on it!

Wow forgot how much I missed your case reviews! This was great, more SFF cases please!

Another great review GN! More power!

Would be great to see you guys review the Formed T1! It's amazing to see just how much testing you guys put in to see optimal performance where you can for an ITX case. Looking forward to the next case review 👍

@coryandrum

10 ай бұрын

which t1? I feel like its impossible to review a case that comes in so many configurations.

@shobz96

9 ай бұрын

Gamers Nexus could suprise us though you are right. Would be great to see them tackle at least one configuration since the Terra takes inspiration from it

man i would've loved to see those bottom fans as exhaust, i've heard from a few other creators that a single exhaust fan under the PSU helps a lot in the terra

Great review -- also love seeing peer-reviewed data. This review just confirms my decision to go with the fractal north in my most recent build rather than the terra. Still, if I ever need to do a SFX build I'd go with terra if they switch to mesh with the right poreocity(sp?) as you suggested. Great work!

Thought this case looked really neat, but was immediately curious what the noise would be like, so I’m glad you tested that!

Tip: You can buy 3rd party 12VHPWR cables that are custom made for your PSU, and are extremely flexible. Putting very little strain on the connector area. Allowing a 4090 FE like that, to fit without forcing it.

@coryandrum

10 ай бұрын

You can also buy the Platuim edition of the Corsair SF750, it comes with shortened flexible cables and the lower tier ones come with the stiff typical psu cords. They do sell non 3rd party ones from Corsair too if you want them in colors or on a lower tier psu with stiff cables.

@scarkillerful

9 ай бұрын

​@@coryandrum yes this is true, the 80+ Platinum editions of the Corsair SFX PSUs all come with these braided cables (not just the 750W verison) but I'm talking specifically about only the 12VHPWR cable here. I'm also aware of the Corsair 12VHPWR cable, but what I'm referencing is a silicone cable made by MODdiy. It makes the Corsair cable seem stiff by comparison. Another plus is you can order a custom length. The Corsair cable is made with ATX in mind, so it ends up being excessively long for some ITX builds. You can order the MODdiy cable in a length such as 40cm (the standard on Corsair's own SFX PSUs) or even shorter than that if you know what length you require.

@coryandrum

9 ай бұрын

@@scarkillerful why pay someone, if you're just cutting it down? You pay to get more, just cut it down in plug them in the 12v port directly. I don't even use plastic, plugged them indirectly and taped them flush.

incredible that Steve could do all this without a Labs division!

@NathanielStickley

10 ай бұрын

A single highly-competent person is more productive than 100+ incompetent people.

What a hard review to do to test all those configurations. Nice job. Good rigor to get peer-reviewed not only once but twice!

Wow Steve, Gamers Nexus is going to a whole other level ! I love to see it, long time fan of the channel, you guys keep blowing my mind !

The noise profile of the slats was really interested. Great to see the chamber seeing use already. Roll on fan tester. I'd really to see [hear] tests done on different common shapes, including the effect with fan-spacers (15mm and 25mm I believe are "common", but they're so rare, I can't recall). I am a silence freak though, so I'd understand if there's just not enough broad interest to warrant the time investment.

@GamersNexus

10 ай бұрын

That's a great idea on the fan spacers! Thanks for sharing. I'll see if I can figure out how we'd do it.

@alpher8962

9 ай бұрын

​@@GamersNexus please also consider the correlation between temperature and volume, for example what the "most efficient" position would be as a result

If you're gonna get back into ITX case reviews, this is definitely the first one to do. Everybody is talking about this one.

Hello Steve and GN crew (and fellow YT folks)! Love the work you've done, and Im super geeked for your push to ITX reviews with accountability and data at the forefront. Yall rock! Im currently running my Terra with a lower- to mid-tier setup with AMD hardware and have found some... interesting issues and caveats in this particular case. I put my thoughts below in case some are curious for a user review with newer mid-level hardware. TL;DR, your conclusions about mid-tier gaming seem well-founded, and are corroborated by my experiences -- however, there may be some inherent problems derived from specific mother board choices, which may require novel configurations to alleviate. Overall good experience. ----- Case: Fractal Terra (spine setting 2) Mobo: ASRock B650E PG-ITX Wifi CPU: AMD R5 7600x Cooler: Noctua NH-12L RAM: GSkill Trident Z5 (2x16GB) NVME: Samsung 980 Pro (1TB) (x2; front and back) GPU: ASRock RX 6650XT 8G SL PSU: Corsair SF750 ----- On CPU/Mobo Heat: > In one scenario, the built in NVME cooler on the mobo created a heat-trap inside the case. The mobo was likely designed for this component to be on the bottom - not where the case is suggesting the airflow be pushed out - toward the top. Between the riser cable and this big block of billet, my CPU thermally throttled under relatively light loads. After swapping that block for a lower profile cooler, NVME temps went up a few degrees overall, but the CPU only seems to max out on much higher loads. The pathway for air flow is now less obstructed by ~3square inches... which is a gaping hole in SFF... > The 7600x has been set via BIOS to an 85 C thermal max, with fan curves set to mediate noise under moderate loads. It was finicky, but it works well once tuned, same as any initial system setup. SFF is probably just more sensitive to small changes here than (m-)ATX cases. CPU Cooling Noise: As you say, the fan being placed so close to a slotted panel is no doubt chopping the air and creating some gross freqs. The Noctua NH-L12 G1 seems to sidestep this by having the fan separated from the side panel slots by way of the cooling fins. I have mine configured to updraft, as downdraft configs exacerbated the aforementioned heat problems (CPU+NVME, but also RAM and VRMs). Noise at 100% is tolerable, and doesnt seem to have any particularly icky frequencies. GPU: [NOTE: the Terra comes with a PCIE4 riser cable, and others in its size and price often come with a PCIE3, requiring more investment.] Running cool, has plenty of room to breath. High 60s to low 70s and well into 60+ FPS on some mid 2010s titles... fine for me. SFX PSU w/ 10mm standoffs allows excellent ventilation from the 3rd passthrough fan. PSU: [Big thanks to the Cybenetics database for helping me choose this!] With the fan oriented to intake from the side panel, thermals are well under control, and voltages are stable. Could probably afford to rotate and accommodate more pull from the GPU... not necessary for my work. Cable Management: About what one would expect from an ITX case this small. It's not without some swearing and grumbling, but a moment's consideration for space lead me to obvious pathways that dont crowd airways too badly. Like Steve said - dont smash those GPU cables with the lid... find another way! The cables that came with the SF750 adjust nicely to accommodate corners and u-bends... ----- I mostly browse, stream, research, and game things that are *NOT* recent RT'd AAA titles... so my experiences are defo not for the ITX Power Gamers amongst thee. It suits my needs just fine, and looks gorgeous on my cramped desktop/workbench. I hope this helps some folks out there! ^,..,^I put my thoughts below in case some are curious for a user review with newer mid-level hardware.

That sound chamber, those graphs? you guys are killing it. Gonna go buy something on the store, have a beer for me! Love all your work.

Excellent review and new testing methodology...well done, GN Team. #thankssteve

@GamersNexus

10 ай бұрын

Thank you!

Thanks for getting into mini-ITX case reviews. Seeing a perspective outside of ultra enthusiasts is really nice. When it comes to the PITA factor, some people (like me) build in mini-ITX cases in part because of the challenge. Just keep in mind that difficult to build in may not be as much of a discouragement as you think.

@coryandrum

10 ай бұрын

Till you get so frustrated you take out Sawzall. Honestly tho most of the PITA is just poor planning and you learn from it. Not saying the EVGA Hadron was a poorly made ITX case (the bottom intake was just 30 small holes on either side with temperd glass and another solid side panel), but I never used a flex PSU before and did not expect it to sound like 30 ps4s mining Fifa tokens running idle at only 40c. The VELKA 7 tho, was just a horribly designed case; bought all the right parts just to find the maker didn't follow his own spec and lied. I was just trying to find out how to get brackets with the correct holes that hold the case together and allow the display port to be accessible. The guy that made it was just an unprofessional person to work with. I am so glad ITX has gone mainstream, now GN does an amazing job finding most of the PITA pitfalls so you can plan around it.

Fascinating and informative. I really like how this case looks visually, but looking forward to more ITX case reviews for more general comparison.

👍 this is a wonderfully thought out review process. Thank you gamers Nexus for bringing the project to the review.

I was dreading this review as I bought this case a while back and until now I was flip flopping between building a retro winXP in it with relatively slow-ish components and a top tier AM4 build. So it'll be a retro build then :P The way the sound testing chamber actually changed your voice is amazing :D Keep making those great vids guys.

This is so exciting! Love the thoroughness in the validation of your methodology. If I may suggest: 22:07 the vertical dBA scale is too big at 100dB. This masks the real impact of the logarithmic nature of the measurement. Since 3dB is audibly noticeable, I propose the scale should have visible 3dB, or at least 5dB markers (since +10dB is perceptually twice as loud).. I'd settle for 10 also, but 25 is too much.. Also, I would limit the minimum to 0dBA (or perhaps 10 or closer to your noise floor) and the maximum to perhaps 50 or 60 (if any component exceeds this noise level, yikes)

@GamersNexus

10 ай бұрын

Limiting the maximum makes sense. Thanks for that suggestion. I also like the tick marks at (at least) 10dB. We'll do that for the next one!

That chamber looks so cool!

Thanks for reviewing more Mini-ITX/SFF stuff!!!!

Try to flip the bottom slim fans so that they act as exhaust. I've heard this is better than intake. But also just in general, exhaust fans are more effective in ITX cases, due to there already (usually) being an abundance of intake fans in the form of the CPU cooler and the GPU cooler itself.

@riba2233

10 ай бұрын

Yep, 100% correct

@KiraSlith

10 ай бұрын

It's counterintuitive if you're used to working on regular cases, but yeah, that makes sense in this case in particular.

@coryandrum

10 ай бұрын

negative pressure is cooler in general. I believe the main complaint is the distance of the fan from the floor. As GN has tested before; a solid front panel needs at least an inch gap on the sides to be effective. The ground being a solid panel, you need at least an inch of clearance off the ground for the fans to be effective. 26:50 in steves own words "The legs need to be longer" the noise is not worth the cooling ability. Still having the exhaust fans up top would be better because hot air will instantly pulled up and out (not down and around your PC for the CPU/GPU to suck hot air back in). Hot air naturally rises and you don't want to fight that. Fans on the bottom just collect dust to shoot it right into your GPU/CPU heatsink and then you can get 5 degrees hotter temps in a month just from enough dust blocking a few fins by your GPUs hot spot. As Steve points out tho; ITX cases are very particular with the part your choose and if you got to put the fans on the bottom as exhaust to save your suffocating PSU from a giant GPU, you gotta do it.

@scarkillerful

10 ай бұрын

​​@@coryandrumI'm well aware of what Steve said in the video, however flipping them to exhaust would improve temps. We just don't know how much, because it wasn't tested. Yes, top mounted exhaust fans would be the best, because they are practically unobstructed there. However due to the raised spine design of this case, it's not possible to fit two 120mm fans at the top. Large design oversight in favour of looks. Meanwhile the FormD T1 is practically the same size, has the case concept Fractal took "inspiration" from, and can fit two normal width 120mm fans in the top. Works much better for thermals.

@Notorious544d

9 ай бұрын

I hope GN sees this comment as it was an oversight for this review. The case doesn't have good exhaust options so it'll be interesting to see how much difference flipping the fan would make. Supporting top slim 120mm fans would help a lot, I hope this is considered for the next revision.

I really have no interest in SFF builds but I loved this review and look forward to the next. It's so much more than a review, it's an in-depth look into why this design behaves as it does and it's strengths, weaknesses and how user choices of parts will effect the end experience. As ever, your suggestions for improvement aren't petty or picky, but justified feedback based on your testing, but it also provides valuable information for us in comparing solutions from other companies who may have done it differently. Great work, as always.

Thanks for your strong efforts to provide credible data!

This is a case I'm def interested in! Thanks for the review.