Had to make this video when I read the following comment about Ugorski's performance: "This man plays it like it's a piece by Chopin; most performers plays it like it was a piece by Bach." - @yes-fq6jd

@Skullemojiiii

Жыл бұрын

Funny given that Bach back then was played closer to Chopin, just look at the czerny editions that Chopin himself used and annotated

Ok it might not be the most stylistically perfect fugue but I find it so beautiful

The subject is quite pretty and features recognizable Chopinesque intonations.

I feel better about not being able to write a fugue now. Even Chopin struggled with it, and he's... well... Chopin

@tfpp1

11 ай бұрын

Of course he struggled with it. Because he’s not… well… you know, Bach. 😂

@thedesolatemusic

9 ай бұрын

@@tfpp1though he loved Bach and thoroughly studied his works

@tfpp1

9 ай бұрын

@@thedesolatemusic Yes, I'm aware.

This is thought provoking; here I was never aware that Chopin wrote a fugue and now I'm absorbed with everyones interpretations

I feel a bit bad for Chopin, he himself knew the fugue isn't... very good. He never wanted it published in the first place.

@LuisKolodin

6 ай бұрын

I LOVE this fugue! And the climax on trills...

@prototropo

Ай бұрын

I'm flabbergasted that Id never heard it before! I don't think it's so bad--just not his genre, to say the least. Unless you're Mozart, there's little romantic lyricism to be harvested from fugal writing. I think it's sort of the chess of musical forms. And Chopin was all about champagne with an evening of salon waltzes, or quiet nocturnes & preludes for rainy afternoons.

Certified Hood Classic

Despite the almost universal consensus that this fugue isn't very good, if I look at it simply as a piece and not as a fugue, it is quite nice actually. The two-part texture gets old when one looks at it like that, but the harmonies are enjoyable and attention-grabbing at times.

@DrNykterstein17

10 ай бұрын

Olá, tudo bem? Como estudante de música erudita, gostaria de saber o porquê desta fuga ser considerada ruim e também de onde você tirou a informação de que há um consenso da má qualidade desta fuga. Obrigado!

@c05.63

4 ай бұрын

​@@DrNykterstein17 Poor counterpoint and poor develope of theme - Subtheme, mostly, not as inventive, Chopin always struggled making developements of his themes in almost all his pieces, it shows perfectly here, the principal theme would have been perfect for maybe a Waltz or nocturne in ABA form here doesnt fit quite right

2:06 stretto

Hallo. Considering that J.S.Bach's Well-Tempered Clavier was Chopin's bread and butter, I'm not surprised that it also has a fugue as its counterpart.

I'd give points for creativity. In terms of form this feels a lot more like a prelude than a fugue. The harmonies are delightful, but the 2-part tissue it's being crammed into makes it melodically artificial - contributing to the figurative-preludiation character. Slight missed chances: the faux inverted theme appearing the upwards sequence begged for actual exposition of the inverse theme, and the wide stretto near the end really begged some Verdi-style stretti. It could even be harmonically wrought with a new onset each quaver. Starting to remind me of the Offertory in Petite Messe Solennelle - with a similarly chromatically coercing theme. I think I basically just admitted I want to do a fan-fic version of this fugue. Purest form of praise? :)

@TheExarion

Жыл бұрын

I'd actually be really interested in seeing this arrangement of Chopin's fugue haha

@michaelpogudincomposition

Жыл бұрын

Couldn't have said it better myself. A cool project would be revamping this somehow while keeping to Chopin's writing style.

What are your criterias for a "good fugue"? This piece is formally PERFECT, with interesting subjects, a chromatic passage building intensity for a climax on trills which is very unexpected. This is just a simple fugue on 2 part only. My only object is that playing here is too legato and not too polyphonic. But this is PERFECT piece. No matter there are longer and more complex fugues... Nowadays people are tired of too much complexity and are prone to minimalist music.

how long does it usually take you to make a score video of a piece this sohrt?

@TheExarion

Жыл бұрын

Depends on how easy it is for “sproc” (a program developed by KZreadr, CMaj7) to convert a PDF to pictures. This one was relatively easy for sproc to convert, so it took about 20 minutes to make this video (including rendering time).

@ianmoore5502

Жыл бұрын

​@TheExarion so this isn't a case of precisely hand-cropped screenshots?

@TheExarion

Жыл бұрын

@@ianmoore5502 No sir! Even more precisely machine-cropped screenshots :)

This fugue seems more like a teaching tool for his pupils. If anyone is interested, I lyricized this into a music-theory-nerd/ontological duet for a pair of ambitious singers: kzread.info/dash/bejne/paei0apmfZbYoM4.html (just try not to pay too much attention to the left edge of the screen; my scrolling score production was still in beta...)

Un devoir d'école ? Chopin y est méconnaissable, à l'exception peut-être de son penchant pour le chromatisme.

@user-fg5vn6ig6u

8 ай бұрын

cette piece a été compose pour ses etudes, il ne le voulait jamais publier. L'intention était a imiter le façon musicale du Bach.

Apparently, he didn't have the ability to work with more than 2 voices contrapuntally. Oh, well. He did other thigs well. Fugues were not his thing, for sure.

@graydusk1039

11 ай бұрын

Chopin sonata No 3

If the anacruses had been reoccurring that would fix most of what I don’t like about this, but ultimately, Chopin is just not the kind of composer who I would expect to be good at writing fugues.

oh my, this isn't great. Im glad he didn't write any more fugues

@themobiusfunction

11 ай бұрын

Agreed! Chopin is one of the greatest composers of all time but this isn't great

@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji

Ай бұрын

There's a reason this wasn't published when Chopin was alive, right? Even he probably knew this fugue isn't good. Maybe he didn't live long enough to write a good fugue? Maybe he didn't care to? Maybe he wrote this for a counterpoint lesson to teach his students? Nobody will ever know. But all or almost all the pieces Chopin sent for publication are close to perfection. While this isn't great, it's unfair to question Chopin's ability to write a fugue based on one piece which he probably didn't even want to publish. Chopin did use initiative counterpoint (and he did it well): in the fourth balladr there is a quasi-canon on the first theme.