"We two distinguished gents would like to hire a hotel room for a couple of hours. Please take our camera and whiskey up for us. Now, is the bed comfy?"

@berningid

3 жыл бұрын

Omg I was thinking about that

@qoph1988

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah where's the footage of the afterparty

@caylumhenderson9396

3 жыл бұрын

Ian knows the cheapest hourly hotels

@akimbofurry2179

3 жыл бұрын

Were only going to stay for a bit, we gotta blow our loads later.

@Ranger_James38

3 жыл бұрын

Proceeds to passionately discuss firearm myths

Somewhere, there is a video of two experts discussing alcohol myths and sampling some guns.

@michaeldriggers7681

4 жыл бұрын

Ironically, it is a much darker video

@Anon26535

3 жыл бұрын

I think Hunter S Thompson did that once. Once.

@shootthemoon6072

3 жыл бұрын

My Russian cousin and I had that conversation last night; we're now recovering from the epic hangovers while watching this, which is allot like Bob Ross talking firearms. 🤷‍♂️

@dylanisley4873

3 жыл бұрын

I would love to be that expert, im getting there

@j.m.8193

3 жыл бұрын

In bed

You guys should have been smoking a good cigar.......you could have titled it "Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms".

@zimt1

5 жыл бұрын

ATF chating

@SlimRhyno

5 жыл бұрын

Hands down the best ATF-related KZread comment I have ever heard. Well done, fellow humorist. Well done. 👌

@nokiot9

4 жыл бұрын

Larry B I really wanna get stoned with Ian 😂

@LUR1FAX

4 жыл бұрын

The Bureau of All Things Fun.

@Allan_aka_RocKITEman

4 жыл бұрын

Brilliant! 😊

"you just fired 8 rds of 30-06, anyone close enough to hear the ping is already @$&#king deaf"

@GritHawke

4 жыл бұрын

Clint Smith puts it most eloquently

@alswann2702

4 жыл бұрын

What's that??

@javidmirza4584

4 жыл бұрын

Al Swann deaf not blind

@mistakenotou7681

4 жыл бұрын

If you aren't deaf from artillery already

@Dr.Zoidberg087

4 жыл бұрын

you forgot the "retard" after 30-06 lol.

The Bloke actually had a bottle of water, but, by the time Ian had poured it, it turned to scotch.

@Andvare

6 жыл бұрын

Sure you mean gun oil? From Speyside.

@Gew219

6 жыл бұрын

Broachim Meyer You made my day with this, haha

@Bloated_Tony_Danza

6 жыл бұрын

Ahh Gun Jesus strikes again.

@Andvare

6 жыл бұрын

I did write Islay first, before I saw it was a Speyside they were drinking :)

@Twinspinner

6 жыл бұрын

Jesus turns water to wine, Gun Jesus turns water to scotch

2 dudes chllin on a white bed half a foot apart cause their quite intrigued by the misinformation of roy dunlap.

@skorpius752

4 жыл бұрын

Yup, nothin' queer about that at all.

@MrJeepmarine

4 жыл бұрын

I was thinking it looked like it could be a porn intro. "Have a drink, so would you say you're into new things?"

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrJeepmarine "Do you want to see my… gun?"

@MrJeepmarine

4 жыл бұрын

Lol.

@Sip_Dhit

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrJeepmarine I mean that's all forgotten weapons is, gun porn

At roughly 27 minutes you can hear the ker-ching of the camera's dead battery ejecting. Either that or an empty whisky glass banged against a helmet.

@treOODA

2 жыл бұрын

One of the biggest factors on military combat shooting, is the western moral compunction "..thou shall not kill.." This according to Lt. Col Grossman's book " On Killing: The Psychological Cost of Learning to Kill in War and Society" (out of print, available on Amazon as ebook). A must read for any student of martial arts. Any study of lethality of small arms use requires a perspective that only 3% of soldiers using small arms will actually "aim to kill" another human.

@oldbatwit5102

2 жыл бұрын

@@treOODA I don't believe that figure of just 3%.

For the M1 pick myth it's one of those things "the enemy always seems to pop up when I'm out of ammo" but doesn't remember all the times the enemy pops up when he's not out of ammo, a sorta hyper-awareness. Kinda the same thought process of Murphy law. And then having this ping sound you can blame it on other then just randomly happening, and if it doesn't you can fall back to the thinking of "maybe they didn't hear it that time" it's the perfect myth really and can't be disproved really until someone is down range from a M1 garand. And the one that where we couldn't really ask them cause they where the enemy.

@Hetschoter

3 жыл бұрын

There might be also 2 other factors: 1. enemy is undiscovered and waits for the perfect moment, 2. enemy has longer time to aim -> near misses / hits. 1. If the fight is happening in place with quite a lot of vegetation, some enemy soldiers might not be seen -> fired upon. And they might wait for moment, when they are the most likely to hit the target with no reciprocation or with the highest chance of hitting the target. Waiting for the enemy soldier with M1 to reload might make him for a moment stationary and therefore easier to hit. Also since he is focused on reloading, might not notice your fire or positioning. 2. The difference in firepower of rifleman in the case of US vs Axis and because of that there might be tendency to fire more accurate shots than match the US troops with rifle fire. That might lead to waiting for the US soldier to reload, so the enemy soldier might aim for longer period of time than otherwise would be possible. That might create the situation of near misses and with what wrote Cypher 1o1, might explain this myth. I don't think this is full explanation of this myth, but that it was lots of anecdotal evidence pointing in one direction.

@salty_armorer4027

3 жыл бұрын

"You never remember the 99 times the weatherman got it right, but you always remember the one time he got it wrong"

@roentgen571

2 жыл бұрын

The ping myth is just ridiculous. Combat almost never took place close enough to hear the ping or be able to see the enemy rifleman reloading. Even if it did, that enemy rifleman isn't by himself, so just knowing that THIS PARTICULAR ENEMY is reloading wouldn't give you any significant advantage. And on top of all of that, there's a BATTLE going on. You think you can hear a ping from hundreds of feet away while you and your comrades are firing rifles, mortar shells are raining down, grenades are going off, etc?

@shinigamiking69

2 жыл бұрын

In a trench: ping*... "hold fire" *sticks head out of trench... "did u guys hear that" Enemy soldier: "what the hell r u saying i cant hear shit"

@NapalmZ88

2 жыл бұрын

it was explained to me that WW2 soldiers rarely wore proper hearing protection. send a .30-06 off with 20 of your buddies and no ear pro, and then tell me of you can hear the ping.

My father-in-law who is 93 was at Monte Casino for 4 months at the front line. He said in that time he saw exactly one German soldier for about 3 seconds. He said he took a shot at him at maybe 250 yards and has no idea if he came close to hitting him. He said the German artillery always seemed to have a pretty good idea where he was though! Real life ain't like the movies.

@Necronaut

5 жыл бұрын

Sometimes it is like the movies though, and you can ask actual veterans about that. They will tell you.

@nicholaspatton5590

5 жыл бұрын

Monte Casino had actually been empty of German Soldiers before it was bombed by the Americans. Some generals had been paranoid that the Germans had spotters up there. So two German soldiers convinced the clergy there to move all of the historical artifacts for safe keeping. They got most stuff out before Monte Casino was bombed. The Germans at that point then moved into the ruins which offered excellent cover. The two Germans that convinced the clergy were awarded by the Pope for their great idea of saving the artifacts.

@hopsta5628

5 жыл бұрын

@@Necronaut aceroadholder had an actual veteran who was at Monte Carlo for four months so what do you mean when you state he can ask "actual veterans", are you implying his father in law is lying about his wartime experience ?

@mikecunningham3423

4 жыл бұрын

@@hopsta5628 No, he's implying that he's not a veteran speaking with firsthand knowledge, but knows that some guys seen a lot of action and some guys see very little if none. And that making a narrow statement such as ''Real life ain't like the movies'' based on one man's experience is very naive

@andreihossu2749

4 жыл бұрын

@@nicholaspatton5590 As if they could not spot after the bombing too. I mean it is a hill.

If someone is reporting that his M1 'ca-chinged', and the enemy rushed him, obviously the enemy didn't get him. Military records contain very few reports written by dead men.

@TheOMGWTFBBQ777

6 жыл бұрын

if its rumored it could well have been from a 3rd person

@georgesears934

6 жыл бұрын

What if someone was writing a record and it abruptly ends with "As I am currently reloading and therefor incapable of defending myself to the fullest degree I must note the fact that the Kraut for whom I unloaded my clip towards in the first place is currently advancing on my present position, making no attempts at evasive actions nor diversionary tactics. I can only presume that the distinctive sound of my standard issue En Bloc clip ejecting from my rifle after the final shot has alerted the Hessian that my weapon is no longer capable of delivering a suppressing volley and as such he has taken advantage of the situation by diving over the ruble I am using for cover and thrusting his bayonet int-"

@waynehindes3396

6 жыл бұрын

I'm gonna have to find them but I have a Marine Corps manual from last 50's and some old army training videos on VHS that both said something to the effect of "Be aware the ping from an empty clip will alert the enemy to your weapon being empty." They didn't really say you'd be rushed or anything just that it would let everyone know you were out. The video said something about the safety too but its been too long since I watched them to remember exactly what.

@anter176

6 жыл бұрын

it's a myth because it could never happen due to the circumstances needed for it to happen: 1 You'd need to be alone 2 your enemy needs to know that you're alone 3 your enemy needs to be close enough to hear the ping 4 you or the enemy need to be in a position to use the ping (if you're going for the alleged ping trick) 5 and did i mention that you need to either fire the last round in the gun (meaning that you have shot 7 rounds recently) or that you have a spare clip to use for the so called ping trick which most likely means you've shot 8 rounds already Which means that you and the enemy that is close by will be thoroughly combat deaf most likely. So it's something that could happen in a perfect storm scenario but did it ever happen once during the service of the M1? i don't know, but figure out the probability of all the individual conditions and you'll find as the numbers starts adding up you'll be going towards zero and going there fast.

@waynehindes3396

6 жыл бұрын

Having an M1 I know that it does ping, loud enough to be heard in combat .. doubtful, but what I was trying to say was even though it was a myth it actually made it into formal military literature/training even if not quite like the myth is saying.

My father fought on both fronts, East and West, and he remembered that once first fighting the American they were just OVERWHELMED by US long-range firepower, that this was a whole new ballgame for them (compared to Russian charging at point-blank range with PPsH41/PPS43s), and this was a total SHOCK to him to discover a horde of ´gun crazy´ Americans with M1 Garands just unloading on his company from over 200 meters. The majority of this fire missed, because these were rather green troops, but still they had to reconfigure and reinvent their own tactics to handle American infantry assault. He was actually very positive about the M1 Garand as a weapon, stating it was accurate if handled right, fired fast and this was something new.... Not a word about the *ping* noise, from a German veteran, they didn´t even notice... So much for Myth no.1! Myth no.2: Also thought somebody cocked up Vickers and Bren somewhere on the road. But nice to hear about that group-zeroing being done in the Wehrmacht, explains some pictures I´ve seen of my father´s induction/training, where the very cocky/dangerous looking Leutnant was looking along over their shoulders, and the their M98k´s were al on a wooden pedestal, thanks for explaining that! Btw, about the MG42: he would be in agreeing with that the MG42 was ´cheapie´ compared to the MG34, he was non-stop complaining about having to give up their MG34s for 42s. He cited a lack of accuracy and logistical nightmare as the reasons for not liking it, and the fact it had no single-shot mode. They used MG42s mostly at near point-blank range, just holding their fire until a squad of Russians turned the corner and than *Kookook! Look who´s here?* kinda thing. In German it´s called ´Schweige MG´ or ´Silent MG´ that lies in ambush where there´s no cover, apparently (I learned rather recent, should go read up more on it). Myth no.3: I see no reason to assume that any of the German vets I heard their stories (from a truck driver driving up ammo to a Untersturmfuhrer with Panzergrenadiers) that their fear for being shot at >200 meters by Russian snipers was unfounded. But ofc, these guys were employed in droves, the majority had sights, so we can argue about that one all day... Fact is a lot of these night-time encounter stories ended with ´and than his brains were spread all over my uniform´. On the other hand, also surfaced the fact they didn´t even try to match this performance with a Mauser 98 and iron-sights, except as suppressing fire in hopes of getting the guy away from them. That´s why they had this extreme light-discipline, like covering their headlights and such, and this didn´t get much better once slowly units got transferred towards the Western Front from mid-44 onward. There they had to contend with ´gun-crazy, trigger-happy horde´ of Americans (pun intended there, no hostility) equipped with M1 Garands popping away at everything that moved + fighter-bombers circling overhead by the dozens. And for some reason, despite everything, and his access to SMGs, pistols, whatever for the taking, he only took his father´s artillery Luger and Mauser 98 in combat from day 1 in 1941 to the bitter end, because it was 100% reliable, packed a heavy round, and he preferred that over seeing another dead greenhorn with an MP40 that jammed (they jammed A LOT under field conditions). So battlefield versus range-shooting is a huge, huge difference. PS. He had no eardrums anymore, today people complain about my loud voice, because I always had to shout so he could hear me, and the other way around too :-) Fantastic video!

@Grimpurple_minion99

3 жыл бұрын

It’s interesting to hear the other side of the story I got to tell you. I heard the American World War II veterans talking, it’s just interesting to hear how the Germans viewed us in World War II that never really occurred to me. The gun crazy trigger-happy American thing is actually pretty funny. I’m in American i own guns and I still think it’s hilarious

@myparceltape1169

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that condensation of some of your father's experiences. My Dad was in the RAF and was not allowed a gun. If however some of Rommel's troops in the western desert paid a fleeting visit some night he, like other tradesmen, was taught how to permanently immobilise them (that is a term which I did not think would harm them until one of his friends walked in the door and explained very briefly just how final it would be.) He would be in the aircraft harassing your father. The Bren gun was apparently used in ambushes. It was carefully sighted on, say a door, used by enemy officers, generally inside their lines. The gun was made rock steady and the ambushers would retire before sunrise and hide. First to open the door killed himself with a bullet to his chest. The next few who walked into the trip went the same way. I doubt if all the tricks they played were ever worth repeating.

@donjones4719

3 жыл бұрын

Yet another layer of real info, useful info, added to this great episode. Thanks!

@thomasvandevelde8157

3 жыл бұрын

@@Grimpurple_minion99 I had written a veeeery long reply to this one, that sadly enough misfired thanks to my very modern computer and highly talented ability to operate it *cough* (shouldn´t take that one too seriously) and I realized I squandered at least over 50´ worth of typing. I will try to bring myself to retyping it (it was about small arms fire, artillery, the Red Army, and how things transpired -I suspect- into both NATO vs Warsaw Pact small-arms and tactical doctrine) whenever I feel like it. I´m actually quite surprised there is a public interested in this kinda stuff... My father and me would always pick our favorites in Cold War conflicts, and analyze why they lost. Him being quite familiar with the Red Army (is why a lot of his friends ended up in Vietnam round 1.0, known as the First Indochina War) he´d always chess against me, teaching me things about tactics and strategy and stuff, was really fun :-) But gotta go now, thanks for the reply, and will try to get something done about this! And fill in some more gaps, about myths I often encounter about the Soviet Army vs US Army vs Wehrmacht etc, there´s a lot of annoying myths out there. Regards, Thomas

@Grimpurple_minion99

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasvandevelde8157 ya I thought it was fascinating!!! It’s a reminder that they were just as scared and young as are guys were.

When two guys filming themselves on a bed in a hotelroom having fun. A video I truly enjoyed watching.

@happycamper4315

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah if I'd toldy wife I was watching two drunk and hairy men on a hotel room bed talking about their legendary and mythological weapons she'd have given me a funny look... 🤣

I like how Clint Smith addressed the issue of the M1 ping. "You just fired eight rounds of 3006, everybody's deaf!!!"

@ThatMDubyaGuy

2 жыл бұрын

And there’s the truth.

From Lindybeige to Forgotten Weapons. My youtube has come full circle again.

@ECHOFOXTROT289

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, first to hear bullshit about “spandau” and then to re abilitate your ears. Pretty good plan

@Szalami

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly what Edoardo Ferrari says. Lindysh** is as reputable as Roy Dunlap on the M1 ping.

@SgtKOnyx

6 жыл бұрын

It was odd enough when Lindy and Skall crossed over

@JifftasticGhozt

6 жыл бұрын

*watches a video dispelling myths and inaccuracies- states an interest in Lindybeige*

@SneedsterSpeedster

6 жыл бұрын

What's the problem with Lindy?

Ian mentioned "better controls" in manufacturing. I was disappointed to notice nobody seems to mention just *how* much better the controls are, with *just* the availability of more accurate (control) scales, telling the operator where the tools are. Even using old ww2 machines with modern *analog* scales I am able to exceed .0002 of an inch in accuracy, even though the original equipment could only go down to .002 A power of ten in difference is *extraordinary* and I am using cheap analog units (because my equipment is set up in a garage and temperature swings prevent me from going tighter, I digress) Numerical control existed in ww2. Adding a computer today (cnc = computer numerical control) isn't why controls are so much better. Its the better, more precise, more accurate and *cheaper* ability to measure, verify and zero. In a word. Control. As a machinist; I think that mention from Ian was spectacularly cool, and well stated! Phenomenal for a man drinking.

@PokemonHaloFan

4 жыл бұрын

As a machinist I'd agree wholeheartedly. I've used WWII era manual mills and then gone right over to using a modern Haas CNC machine only minutes later and indeed the accuracy of the machine itself is not...well vastly different at least. Extremely high end CNC's will out perform anything from WWII but that's a given when you're paying that price. No the difference is definitely more about the controls in place.

@ssmt2

4 жыл бұрын

​@@PokemonHaloFan I'm an amateur machinist and I've never operated a metal working CNC but I've owned and operated plenty of the older manual machines, many of which were considered top of the line in their day.The old K&T or Cincy mills followed the dictum of the only thing better than cast iron is more cast iron and they're as solid as can be. I have K&T mills from WW2 and I'm beyond impressed at how well made they are. Comparing a new CNC to a mill that has decades of use on it isn't really a fair fight. It would be interesting to compare a brand new CNC VMC to a brand new WW2 era vertical mill for general accuracy. Obviously the CNC is more versatile and faster but what if you were to do identical one off parts in each? It would be an interesting comparison, especially if the manual machine had a DRO installed on it to even the playing field a little bit.

@TheLouisianan

3 жыл бұрын

I'm a mechanical engineer and did some machining in college with some equipment from the 70s and ever since then I wondered how tight tolerances were on old stuff like this. Always assumed weapons like the Stg 44 were stamped with a few machined parts since machining would be such a labor intense endeavor compared to a guy putting it in a CNC machine and walking away or stamping a pieces of sheet metal out. Nice input.

@davidmiller9485

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheLouisianan The Stg44 is an interesting example. It was, very much like the British Sten designed to be cheap, both in price and manufacture. It's a testament to the ability and craftsmanship of the old machinists that these weapons were as capable as they were. The Sten (and the 44) were considered throw away weapons. Use them till they quit and grab a new one. They did have issues but for what they were, they were incredible weapons.

@derhighlige5493

3 жыл бұрын

i'm also an Mechanical Engineer in apprenticeship in switzerland and you are right. At the start of my training we were working only with conventional machines but they were equipped with digital positionindicators and when we switched to CNC (DMG Mori DMC 635 V and CTX Alpha 300) we quickly realized that there is no difference in precision.

LMG is too accurate... Thanks, as a former M249 gunner, I now have a brain tumor.

@ivanmonahhov2314

3 жыл бұрын

Well Russians thougth that PKT is too accurate so they issued special ammo.

@andrewbroeker9819

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivanmonahhov2314 Is that why the did it? It's a gas operated weapon and an LMG so I can think of quite a few other reasons you might issue different ammunition than you did to riflemen.

@ivanmonahhov2314

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbroeker9819 PKT is a tank mounted version of PKM , so with recoil beign negated by a hard mount it was very accurate , but tank uses MG for first of all supressive fire.

@andrewbroeker9819

3 жыл бұрын

@@ivanmonahhov2314 That still doesn't necessarily mean it's because they thought it was too accurate. What's your source?

@benfennell6842

3 жыл бұрын

@@andrewbroeker9819 ok I dont have a source but I think this is true. I've only ever seen coaxial MGs in ww2 tanks in "wobbly" mounts. They're a bit loose so they bounce around and dont always hit exactly where you aimed. This is because a coaxial MG is VERY hard to aim proficiently in a ww2 tank. You're using two hand wheels, not pointing it with your hands, so on the fly fine tuning is difficult, and since it's a machine gun with a lot of rounds and a high rate of fire, you can just make it have super low accuracy and achieve greater effect on target. Of course with modern fire control systems tanks probably dont to this anymore, but it wouldn't surprise me if this really did happen.

Ian (and Bloke), Thanks for the shout out! It's greatly appreciated. Cheers.

@Kawawaymog

5 жыл бұрын

And greatly deserved! Your content is so jam packed with info. Keep up the great work

@weirdscience8341

4 жыл бұрын

been loving your channel atm keep up the fantastic work 😀

I feel that the T.V. show weaponalogy is responsible for reinforcing misinformation in the general public.

@stevePHXD

6 жыл бұрын

Moobs Mcgee yea. With people not going at least temporarily deaf during a fire fight and unrealistic magazine capacities being the biggest ones I think.

@kameronjones7139

6 жыл бұрын

I liked the show but I like this channel better

@dragonsword7370

6 жыл бұрын

The show was okay but anytime I get to see my favorite Marine turned historian dr. William Atwatter I'll be happy.

@100GTAGUY

4 жыл бұрын

Steve W. One of my biggest peeves with Hollywood gun scenes, is firearms with dust covers closed ejecting CGI shells... or none at all despite having seemingly infinite ammo to boot.

@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917

4 жыл бұрын

I agree. The Discovery and History Channel (when it was the WW2 Western Front Channel) in the late 90's and early 2000's was where much of my info stemmed from and I remember Weaponology being the number 1 culprit for the Garand Clip "Ping" myth.

Some times I think the ping rumor was put out to confuse the enemy so they would try to listen for it.

So this is what a sleepover at Ian's looks like. "never have i ever said my gun is too accurate"

If you're with a squad of guys in ww2 with m1 garands and 1 ping goes off, there's still like 11 or more guys with loaded rifles!

@riverstyxarmory9782

6 жыл бұрын

Proteus "hey, a single American is monetarily out of ammunition, we should charge"

@SgtKOnyx

6 жыл бұрын

Some guy at a range I was at was spouting some nonsense about guys "pretending to fire" so that way they'd have rounds while the rest were reloading. I didn't say anything at the time because I thought "at least it's not the ping thing".

@ThisNewHandleSystemSucks

5 жыл бұрын

And if i'm not mistaken, US doctrine was to alternate moving and shooting, so as soon as one man runs dry the other takes up his volume of fire. Just common sense to not have everyone reloading at once. Been doing it ever since the Brits with their ranks of muzzleloaders.

@HarryBalzak

5 жыл бұрын

One less person shooting at you is better than nothing.

@Ocrilat

4 жыл бұрын

Another question would be...even if the ping myth were true, how far can a person run during the time it takes to reload the Garand?

Sneaky LIndyBeige

@superfahd

6 жыл бұрын

Lindy surprise!

@ensignphil

5 жыл бұрын

Notice from the point on the divergences grow exponentially. Lindy effect

@aussiebloke609

5 жыл бұрын

I _thought_ that was Lindy. Sneaky bugger. :-D

I live in a state where certain legislators had to be informed that AR-15's do not in fact fire 30,000 round a second and that chainsaw attachments do not exist outside gears of war. You can imagine how absurd our gun laws are.

@alexgall8785

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like New York and or California.

@jacobishii6121

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta be California

@visassess8607

2 жыл бұрын

Lol what? 30,000 rounds a second? Just thinking about that for literally one second can tell you that's not true.

@markc1548

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't even want to be near a gun that could fire 30,000 rds per second. It would be like holding primer cord.

@natwolf687

2 жыл бұрын

I'm no Ian, but I know a thing or two about broomsticks but I sometimes forget how utterly stupid some people can be when it comes to guns. One time I got into an argument with some guy who saw Die Hard 2 once and seriously thought a 'Glock 7' was made of porcelain, super expensive, and could bypass airport metal detectors. I shit you not.

I think the first myth became prevalent because it leads to the absolutely wonderful pun of "...this, of course, being the first recorded instance of soldiers being killed by bad ping" or similar statements.

26:00 love the intermission music Monty Python for the win.

@SlimRhyno

5 жыл бұрын

I love the fact that in the comment section of a KZread video about firearm mis-truths is a Monty Python reference. You, my friend, are the winner. 👌

Ian doesn't drink his scotch, it all gets absorbed into his mustache

@neilb6933

6 жыл бұрын

ZeroHundred Stache Osmosis

@TSGZeroHundred

6 жыл бұрын

Neil Bolin Photosynthesis! Photosynthesis! Photosynthesis!

@peterpiper_203

6 жыл бұрын

He uses it as beard oil

@TSGZeroHundred

6 жыл бұрын

Irwin John Finster A weapon to surpass Metal Gear *robot noises*

@COIcultist

6 жыл бұрын

Given the subject matter and the time of year. A timely reminder. Movember: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Movember

My father kept saying action movies unrealistically depicted grenades as having a timed fuse, while real grenades explode on impact. I was confused. I eventually figured out the branch he served with 30 years ago excplusively uses impact grenades to this day.

@rogainegaming6924

2 жыл бұрын

Which military is this?

@Erraddo

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogainegaming6924 italian Carabinieri

@Erraddo

2 жыл бұрын

@@swissmilitischristilxxii3691 look it up, they absolutely exist. Hell, rifle grenades and launcher grenades are one version, but impact hand grenades are absolutely a thing. They're almost universally "concussive" or "offensive" grenades, so no fragmentation. The idea is that you throw them while assaulting an enemy position, they explode immediately, and you don't have to seek cover because they have a short wounding radius (they also disorient the enemy quite well, as they often have more explosive than a frag). Swiss army is purely defensive in nature so it'd make sense they don't have them. Italian Carabinieri are shock troopers, so they have different doctrine. Of course, US marines use frags and they're shock troopers too, it's just a matter of difference in doctrine, but impact hand grenades are rather more useful on the charge than defending a trench.

@Erraddo

Жыл бұрын

@@bakenbeans420 it just makes sense that, if you are expected to yeet on the move, you need a bomb with less kill radius than your max yeet distance and no fuse.

The book being shown at 6:50, 'Ordnance Went Up Front', was part of a number of books published in 1998 by Palladium Press for The Firearms Classic Library collection and marketed by the NRA. By the way, the USMC had 3 BAR's per squad not because of their unreliability. It was because a Marine infantry squad consists of three fire teams of four men each, an AR man, an assistant AR man, a rifle man, and a fire team leader. So with three fire teams, you have three BAR's.

So Ian and Mr.Regular need to get together and review a obscure car, drive it to a field and blow it up with a obscure heavy machine gun.

@Squad1993

6 жыл бұрын

If he still had his personal FB I would've pitched this idea to him

@death13820

6 жыл бұрын

Squad1993 who? Mr.Regular? Or Ian?

@jabben00

6 жыл бұрын

Phillip Hand I need this!

@death13820

6 жыл бұрын

ZooBop I know Mr. Regular. He has reviewed one of my cars

@skeetsmcgrew3282

6 жыл бұрын

And He handed and idea onto them, and it was good

Everyone is talking about getting an anti-gun propaganda ad before the video. Must be a U.S. thing, I never get gun related ads. I feel left out...

@matthewsmith4032

4 жыл бұрын

Lol the anti-gunners probably already won in your country there's no need to rub it in

@finnpendleton4615

4 жыл бұрын

You live in a country where the bad guys already won I guess.

@Ocrilat

4 жыл бұрын

Well, if you live in a country that has banned gun ownership, who would pay to place an ad on anti-gun propaganda in front of you?

@denmanfite3156

4 жыл бұрын

Adblock plus has entered the chat

@Meton12765

4 жыл бұрын

Or, not using an adblock extension thing. :D

Video games always get a bad rap for spreading gun myths but really it was the history channel.

@Robb1977

3 жыл бұрын

For real! it was especially bad with vehicles, but small arms weren't depicted with much more honesty.

@biffwellington1782

3 жыл бұрын

'Top ten' series on combat rifles comes to mind.

@kirbyjohnson3756

2 жыл бұрын

I think we are confusing the history channel with the military channel but the top tens weren't good either way

@natwolf687

2 жыл бұрын

Those top ten shows, yeah. Just a bunch of guys telling second hand sea stories.

@bureaucratbayonet

Жыл бұрын

Fast forward to today kids learning accurate manuals of arms in VR. Also Spec ops mission was a cool show.

I remember in high school I saw the myth about the m1 garand clipazine on either the military channel or the history channel. I remember talking about it to people. Then years later in life I found a 1943 m1 garand and shot it on the range. Then i realized the gun was so damn loud I could only hear the ping after it had already been ejected, bounced off of the rifle, and hit the concrete.

To be fair, a post war survey about a life threatening problem was not a good methodology, since people who really suffered from the problem were dead. I think a better source of information actually be on the enemy side, who could presumably took advantages of the problem if there was one.

@shrike6243

6 жыл бұрын

This . . . is a valid point.

@CrayPlaySwe

6 жыл бұрын

It... it actually was. Too bad I don't speak japanese or korean.

@joejimmy3273

5 жыл бұрын

There are plenty of guys who vividly remember what happened when their brothers died and I promise some see it over and over again whether they want to or not. So, yes in fact it was a valid study.

we NEED a vid of Ian playing the bagpipes in a kilt

@marcviss3256

6 жыл бұрын

I think so too...anybody else support this idea..?

@DanHagmanScot

6 жыл бұрын

Aye, I'll support that move

@j.mcq.8418

5 жыл бұрын

Another good reason for him to live in the boonies in Arizona. Easy to shoot and play bagpipes without causing a disturbance.

@gunmonkey1185

4 жыл бұрын

I seconded that motion without prejudice.

Interesting story on the lines of the acceptance of "combat accuracy". So my dad had always been an accuracy snob. His only center-fire rifle for years was a Remington 700 ADL in .243 Win. that he has developed a pet handload that groups .4 MOA all day long and routinely bust 1 qt oil jugs at 500 yds. He bought his first AR last year and spent around $700 on a cheaper lower quality version. Called me after shooting it and told me it was trash. I asked him why and he was throwing a fit that he could not get better than 4 MOA. I told him that's about the best he could expect out if that brand and that the distance from his front room to the garage door was still only 40 yards that he would still have a large margin of error for a man that it did not matter which eye he put the round in, just aim at his shirt button and shoot till he stops moving. He seemed to get it at that point that it was not necessary for it's intended purpose.

Love the Monty Python "Intermission".

We are only one degree of Kevin bacon from a Lindybeige, Forgotten Weapons crossover.

@happycamper4315

4 жыл бұрын

And we're still waiting. Probably for Ian. The Americans are always late to war... 😉

@CorvusCorone68

4 жыл бұрын

does it count that he showed up in the video when they demonstrated the "ping" of the M1 Garand?

@aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaab

3 жыл бұрын

@@happycamper4315 Gotta give you euros a chance to sort it out yourselves before the big boys show up

@Wooper160atThePond

3 жыл бұрын

@@happycamper4315 fashionably late just like my response to your comment

@thewingedporpoise

2 жыл бұрын

that 12:30 appearance was quite surprising to me

Caught this early on Bloke's channel, glad you guys covered the mad minute.

@thomdilling5855

6 жыл бұрын

I CLAPPED WHEN I SAW DARTH VADERRRR

@larsschroter6994

6 жыл бұрын

Captain PHASMAAAAA!

35:00, This is making me think of the 8" targets at the range I fire at. I could see the one at 200 yards, but I didn't know there were 8" targets at the 250, 300, 350, 400, and 450 yard 18" targets as well until over half a year later when I was tasked to go out there and paint them. I thought they were just shadows from rocks or the sage brush. Of course, now I know they're there, I can see them, but the one at 450 is so tiny when looking down my A3 style irons (well, A3 rear, and Magpul MBUS Pro up front), that it's smaller than the tip of my front post. Shooting from the bench with a bipod and irons, I can hit the 8" at 450 yards about 40% of the time, the most consecutive hits I've had was 3, just using 55gr 5.56x45mm NATO M193 ball ammo by Magtech. I doubt I'd be even half as accurate if that target were shooting back.

@myparceltape1169

3 жыл бұрын

Many, perhaps most, instruments do not require you to measure exactly ON a hairline but rather between two.

4:44 There’s actually a scene in The Great Raid where a platoon leader has his Tommy gun jam on him when attempting to fire at a IJA soldier rushing towards his firing position. He alerted his buddy beside him with a Garand, which proceeded to empty his remaining 3 shots into this poor sod. As the guy with the Garand ducks back to reload, the platoon leader finished clearing his jam, got back up and resumed firing.

"What is it with Canadians and Kilts" I din't know either but we have more highland regiments than Scotland. I miss my kilt and the free Haggis.

@gnashmelllow

3 жыл бұрын

“Scottish people will do anything for Scotland, except live there.” - Jeremy Clarkson.

My favorite bit I heard recently was "He was in hydrostatic shock when he got to the hospital"... Uhm...

“Whatever happens, we have got, *The Maxim gun,* and they have not.”-Hilaire Belloc, “The Modern Traveller” (1898)

@christophers.8553

3 жыл бұрын

@1stPCFerret: My Dad used to always quote that. Thanks for bringing back the memory!

So, funny story. My grandfather qualified with a broomstick. When he trained, there were two rifles and maybe a hundred or two rounds. For the entire unit. They marched with broomsticks and he never qualified with a handgun. "And," he said, "we won that war."

@chrisperrien7055

3 жыл бұрын

One of my sergeants had "floor-buffer" added to my US Army Driver's license as a joke. It is still there, along with my license to drive a bus, LOL. I still have the card from 1986.

I watched until the end. I'm am the most firearm-ignorant element on this side of the known universe, but I had a seriously groovy time listening to you. Good rhythm. And the subject is very glamorous, especially for a Dutch resident who will on average never see a real gun in his lifetime. I admit, I've been following Ian for a while now, because I like his narratives. Good voice too. Anyway, thanks for this guy's. And more of it please. I'm not kidding. You truly have therapeutic value.

nice lindybeige cameo

@treyriver5676

6 жыл бұрын

Spandau!!! /sarc

This video is a pure joy. Two knowledgeable men discussing (over a glass of scotch) their subject, with reason and enthusiasm. My respect to your phenomenal knowledge and ability to impart it to us. Power to your elbow's!!

This was an awesome video! We totally need a round 2 of this.

The Marine Corps also has a tradition of marksmanship. When I was qualifying, before the days of the reflex site, I could hit 7 of 10 shots at a b-mod (torso and head) target with my M16A2 iron sights from the 500 yard line firing in the prone position. I could hit 10 of 10 at the 200 yard rapiid fire with a magazine change. I was slighty better than average for my unit.

So, you're suggesting that my inability to ride a unicycle backwards over railroad tracks while plinking aspirin tablets off fence posts at 650 yards (or meters) isn't a reflection of my inability as a man or a sign of my weak character?

@jha9496

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@thatoneguy7603

2 жыл бұрын

Over compensate much.

I was in the US Navy in the late 1970's, my total firearms training was 21 rounds from a single shot 22 LR rifle and 5 rounds from a 1911. There was no requirement to hit any sort of target, in fact the only requirement was to get the rounds to fire from the weapon.

@sixstringedthing

5 жыл бұрын

Considering role and purpose, I suppose there's not really much point in giving ranking seamen extensive small arms training, beyond knowing which end you're supposed to point at the enemy and how to make the bullets come out. I bet you were given a whole lot more training in how to effectively operate whichever part of the boat you were assigned to. That being said, your account does tie in well with standard US military doctrine.... "Quantity has a quality all of its own". My respect to you for doing your nation a service, regards from Australia across the seas. Cheers mate.

@stevenpeterson191

4 жыл бұрын

1974, 10 rounds of 22LR, never even saw a 1911.

I absolutely love the use of the same intermission music as Monty Python.

Ian and Bloke with a cameo by Lindybeige. Wow, this video was a great one.

Who actually thinks you could hear the ching sound the M1 makes when the empty clip gets ejected? Well... I know that quite a lot of people think the noise from someone firing a gun in a KZread video is close to reality. But it is in fact much louder, it even gave me a headache while wearing ear protection when we got ambushed during my deployment in afghanistan. So I dont think you can actually time your attack based on that ching sound considering the noise and chaos that is going on during a firefight.

@100GTAGUY

4 жыл бұрын

OGlettuceWEED I think a lot of soldiers use what I think are called passive earplugs, they basically allow certain ambient/low volume sounds to pass through so they can communicate and hear their surroundings clearer while muffling out louder more intense sounds like gunfire. There's electronic versions and silicone versions that work in some physical manner I haven't quite looked into. Apparently there's even a class action lawsuit for some defective silicone kinds.

@HerbiieIsBest

4 жыл бұрын

@OGlettuceWEED Modern ear defence can block noises over a certain number of decibels, it's pretty cool

I really enjoy these formats where multiple bloggers share the stage and compare notes. Fantastic! I would like to let them know how much more interesting it is have to the different perspectives.

This might as well be the most insightful and beautiful video about guns on the internet. Please do that again some time

I have heard the Bren myth from an actual 1950s Bren gunner. Amazingly.

I'll never understand how the mythos of the "M1 Ping costing soldiers lives" ever got started. The average firearm creates noise around 140 Decibels (the universal measurement of how loud something is), this is equivalent to standing within 100 feet of a jet engine igniting. Now imagine firing your weapon in anger for more than 30 seconds at a time, your hearing is next to if not completely shot and you expect me to believe someone's going to hear that when they can barely understand the commands of the NCO next to them let alone their comrades beside them over the heat of battle??

@skorpius752

4 жыл бұрын

People only believe this because of Saving Ryan's Privates. They seriously messed with the sound mixing and got the ping to stand out against what would have just been white noise to human ears.

@ahuman2695

4 жыл бұрын

@@skorpius752 Saving Private Ryan*. But yeah, who tf would hear a ping through all that

You guys should do something like this more often, loved the information you brought forward.

I stumbled upon this channel by accident and I'm not really into guns but this guy knows his stuff so well and is so interesting to listen to that I just kept watching. Eventually this video popped up and wow! That was really good content, subscribed.

@LogicAndCompassion

2 жыл бұрын

Same way i stumbled upon it. Haha. I owe the majority of my historical firearm knowledge to this channel.

Haha the alligator crawl Monty Python intermission music. Fascinating discussion, though! More of these when you're able!

Very cool and entertaining video. I had to suffer so much misinformation when I was an infantryman told to me by senior NCOs that ought to have known better. But you guys mentioned it several times. The average Soldier regardless of the nation he serves with likely has little to no shooting experience prior to enlisting and what he knows while he is on active duty is only specifics on the particular weapons that he is issued. The public perception of " this guy knows what he is talking about because he was a Ranger, Marine, SEAL... etc, does not actually reflect reality. Bloke, you got a new subscriber

Another great Q&A video. Ian and The Bloke are so spot on about giving praise to the Britishmuzzleloaders channel. I do think that when it comes to Enfields (and Mausers, and Tikka T3s too!), the RifleChair is also music to our ears.

I like that Lloyd pops up to help make the point.

16:04 [Lindybeige angry noises]

@redteddy23

6 жыл бұрын

Remember if it is not about pointy sticks Lindy is wrong.

@SgtKOnyx

6 жыл бұрын

redteddy23 I actually have no idea what you're talking about. And I know the Spandau meme.

@SgtKOnyx

6 жыл бұрын

Dr Gumby VIKINGS!

@000000AEA000000

6 жыл бұрын

even when its about pointy sticks its many times more like just his opinion apart from the bleedingly obvious

Most popular gun myth in Poland is: Every gun once a year shoots by itself.

@philmccracken6134

4 жыл бұрын

On its birthday?

@Qingeaton

4 жыл бұрын

Man, Polish closets/ gun cabinets must be a mess.

Awesome video gentlemen! We need more single malt gun discussions. Watched through to the end :)

Why have I not seen this yet? Great topics guys. This stuff irks many of us. Thank you.

"We're running a bit long here..." I could enjoy an entire evening of this. I'll even bring the Scotch!

The first time that I heard of the 'ping' myth of the M1 was in 'Warlord' comic back in the 1970s. So some people believe comic books are documentaries!

@natwolf687

2 жыл бұрын

Mike Grell!

This Video in the Dialogue Style really benefits from both of you having great chemistry together.

This video is interesting and pleasant. Drinking and chatting about guns with you two must be a blast.

I first heard of the "ping" myth from my grandfather, a First Sergeant with the First Cavalry Division who saw action from July 1950 to July 1951. His description of it has a few caveats to the one here. (Please read them all before slamming me, because the last one is important.) 1. The empty clip thrown to the ground was not meant to copy the "ping" of the M-1 Garand ejecting the clip, but rather...the clip (or the metal magazine of any other infantry weapon the US was using in Korea) hitting the ground. 2. They only used the technique in groups of two or three, in combat situations within 50 yards, and where both sides were using suppressing fire from cover. In other words, relatively static combat where one side puts rounds down range then the other side does, but neither is precisely sure where the other is. 3. You had to fire 4-6 shots each in your fire team before throwing them, while the other fire teams in the squad took up new positions...so regular US infantry practice at the time. 4. By the time his unit was using the tactic, they were facing Chinese units that had either used captured US M-1 Garands or had been issued them during the Chinese Civil War...so they knew, and were used to, the gun. 5. The tactic was used to get the enemy to either move from their cover or pop up to return fire, allowing other members of your unit to catch them in the open or, more likely, locate the enemy and call in supporting fire like mortars (my grandfather was a platoon communications officer, so maybe a bias), while still ensuring you had a few bullets left in case you saw him. 6. My grandfather was a smart cookie for an uneducated farm boy, so he wondered whether the throwing of clips was not so much a sound trick for the enemy or a coordination trick for the friendly soldiers, and the sudden ceasing of fire was the thing that got the enemy to expose themselves.

@isaachousley325

3 жыл бұрын

Still doesn't explain how the enemy can hear a tiny ping from 50ish yards over the ringing in their ears from the mass of weapons fire that just solidified their need for hearing aids when they are in their mid 30s. The M1 ping myth is simply preposterous when any amount of logic is applied

@Allan_aka_RocKITEman

3 жыл бұрын

Samuel: Your grandfather being a _smart cookie_ reminds me of an old adage. The definition of an INTELLECTUAL: A man or woman who has been educated BEYOND their intelligence.

Re: the mad minute, a weird thing I found using the....wrong guns, basically, is that if you fire a wrong-handed bolt action rifle, you can actually fire loads faster, if less accurately, by just keeping your other hand on the bolt.

Thank you Ian for recommending Bloke on the ranges channel. He's got great content.

Please make more videos like this. This video was awesome, thanks for making it.

8:30 the scotch kicks in

Did anyone else get that Hollywood anti gun ad before this video??

@spyderxtra777

6 жыл бұрын

Yup, good thing they are wasting thier time running those ads on pro gun channels, doubt they are changing anyones mind here.

@The09220

6 жыл бұрын

I mean, 82% of NRA members are in support of a universal background check so...

@elagace03

6 жыл бұрын

They are so misinformed its scary.

@MrCellodude

6 жыл бұрын

It played the damn thing 4 times, once at the beginning and three times in the middle, interrupting the video

@spyderxtra777

6 жыл бұрын

Dont forget, that statistic came from the left, who knows what sort of crooked math they used to come up with it. Or what misleading question they asked to gather thier data. "Hello NRA member, Do you support a law preventing criminals from purchasing guns?" "uh, yes" "SEE! NRA members support universal background checks!"

That was a wonderful bit of vicarious geeking. It does not surprise me at all that Ian plays the pipes.

If travel ever opens back up I don't think I'm the only one who'd love to see you guys do a topical video like this again.

You seem to have forgotten the Marine Corps at Bella Wood, they opened fire at 800 yards shocked the Germans when people started falling, trained out to 500 yards and I’m sure the old Marines did too, two things are taken very seriously in boot camp, marching ( close order drill) , and marksmanship,you spend one whole snapping in ( practicing shooting positions and trigger management) and in Vietnam there is a verifiable account of a Marine ( who shot expert) killing a three man crew of a RPD at over 650 yards when M16s would’ not reach, this was a regular rifle ( iron sights)

Before hearing protection became common, soldiers going through basic and even just normal people who grew up shooting would almost certainly have temporary or permanent hearing damage. In an actual battle with grenades, artillery and bombs dropped from planes and tanks revving their engines and thousands of people firing at once nobody could hear a ping. The thing with "too accurate" is hilarious - like booze too tasty or a painting too beautiful.

Over my years in the military, and Civilian Marksmanship Program competitive shooting, I have run into all of the myths you discussed, and many more. Funny how they start, and no matter how often you disprove them, they persist.

"It's not about being right or wrong, it's ultimately about finding out what the truth is." THANK YOU

I don't pretend to know anything about this business, but surely if 'the enemy learned' to listen out for this ping, there'd be as much documentation of Axis veterans instructing their new guys as there is allied documentation, no?

@ForgottenWeapons

6 жыл бұрын

Crazy talk!

@RealCadde

5 жыл бұрын

Noooo, that's a well kept secret. You see, anyone who knew about it took it to his grave... After trying to charge the shooter who pinged.

@m1a1abramstank49

4 жыл бұрын

Cadde Except no ear pro was in WW2, shots and cracking of rounds would mitigate hearing much and the ranges at which fought won’t even let you be able to hear the ping and trust me, no one rushed for pings, not Japanese which rushed due to orders or as ambush

That myth is so old I can remember it being in the British "Battle" comics that used to come out weekly with a half dozen serialised war stories in them. Maybe that's where it started?

@somersethuscarl2938

3 жыл бұрын

What Battle Picture Weekly/Battle Action/Battle? That only goes back to 1975 and Pat Mills and John Wagner of 2000AD fame, Gods thats my childhood and still got No.1 somewhere along with 2000Ad No.2... or are you thinking more like the much smaller Commado? Those go back beyound me to 1961

an hour and ten mins of two guys talking about four gun myths....... awesome !!!

Wow, that’s cool that you added the Lindybeige clip. Another gentleman that I enjoy!

1:48 "Heeeeeello I'm Bloke on the Range. I beat it to death so you don't have to."

I can definitely attest to the first one, first time I fired my M14, I completely forgot ear protection... my ears were ringing for a solid hour, and for the first 30 minutes it was like I had ear plugs in, everything was muffled.

@sparkplug1018

5 жыл бұрын

Then the ringing stops and it sounds like you're in an oil drum for a day. Ask me how I know.

12:33 nice to see lindybeige in this video, wasn't quite expecting it but it's a pleasant and welcome surprise!

I love the quick Lindybeige cameo...three KZread legends all in one video

Everybody is wigging out about anti gun ads and I'm just wondering about the varieties of scotch.

Like the 'ping' myth, a lot of the nonsense about the Sherman tank also came from a soldier - unfortunately (and in the US in particular) it seems utterly forbidden to question anything a member of the armed forces ever says, much less combat veterans, and so the kinds of absurd tales the boys tell each other slowly get passed into wider circulation and nobody really questions them (or when they do, they're shouted down for it). I can say without any doubt at all that the highest concentration of gun-related bullshit I ever heard in my life originated from within my own platoon. Just because someone's trained to use something effectively, it doesn't mean they're an expert on the matter, no matter how much we might have liked to fancy otherwise.

This is a very interesting video. I can remember reading about the "too accurate" Bren and it said that if a Bren gunner fired a burst of seven rounds, he would have to "wiggle" the gun or all seven would go through the bloke he was aiming at!! Cheers very much chaps!

More content like this please Ian, whiskey with a Brit. Informative and nice and chilled conversation. Thumbs up

I think a lot of stupid myths are caused by the question "why" or statement "I heard" asked to professionals or semiprofessional people who eventually just say "sure" in order to go back to what they are doing or working on.

Anti-gun adds playing before my gun videos WTF

@dcrypter87

6 жыл бұрын

what adds? XD

@thelizardking3807

6 жыл бұрын

I got that too

@larptm9083

6 жыл бұрын

Logan Thompson same

@J9_j3

6 жыл бұрын

add blocker stops all adds from playing. i don't ever have to endure any adds from youtube

@nickjordan7671

6 жыл бұрын

Mike Koz adblock also forfeits any possible ad revenue the content creator would get from your view

I own a Roy Dunlap book. It i called " gunsmithing" and is amazingly detailed . It has lots of old schematics special tool building,ballistic discussions , and theories on hyper velocity rounds . He surmises we won't see great improvements in velocities until we perfect round lands,u shaped groove rifling and ceramic bore liners come into popularity. Then we may see 6000 fps cartredges and so much more.

Totally agree about how far you can see targets on the range vs in the field. At Parris Island we fired the M16A2 w/ iron sights at 500 meters. My vision isn"t great, so I couldn't actually make out the E silhouette, but I could see the big off-white square, and knew that putting a round through the middle of it would get me a hit.