Tom, I love that your introductions are always upbeat and enthusiastic regardless of how you feel on the game. Some reviewers wear their opinion on their sleeves from the get go and I feel that there’s no need to continue watching. Keep up the great work!

This board gives level 10 analysis paralysis for sure.

"made me think harder than most other games". I agree with this statement and I like it.

That's a really good nuanced review. I love the mix of elements in the game. I made a building rules reference for my wife and should upload it to BGG. The one thing you didn't highlight was just how crazy it gets trying to understand the board state as the game goes on - it honestly overwhelmed my wife in both 2 and 3P games, and she loves games like The Colonists and A Feast for Odin... it's just the particulars of this board and the connections and colours that she just found to be too much by the end.

You should really try the Great Zimbabwe. Similar in some ways, but a little simpler to grasp. Plus, more variation with the gods. Ready to try this one and compare them.

I always wondered what this game was about.. i knew it wasn't Gloomhaven, but that's all i knew. Thx for the update ;)

i have this, I quite like it, the rules though are not clear enough and a player aid is essential

Played this a few times with different player counts including solo and have enjoyed it each and every time.

Can't wait to try it

I like Glory to Rome and Mattonai. This game looks interesting. Hopefully my friend, who just bought it can get this to the table soon.

Thank you for the review!

This game seems like a curiosity, something I wouldn't play many times, but would liked to try it. Not sure if I would have like to own it. Will buy used-seems like there's many of this game for sale used.

I liked the game. You need to think a lot but I find it that after playing it more than twice you really do things more smoothly without thinking too much. I played it about 4 times already and each time it becomes shorter. The placement is confusing only because you need to remember it and player aid will help there. Instead of looking on the resource board it is better to look on your own character board and resources card because you have an aid written on them that tells you all the buildings that you can build with those resources all the way from tier 2 to 3, including which resource you`ll need access to in order to build them.

I watched rahdo's video and he said it continues after the city is built.

Is this game enjoyable solo? This game would never be played by my group but I'd give it a go if it was good solo as I don't have a game like this

@jameshayward1992

6 жыл бұрын

Played it solo a couple of times and have enjoyed it.

Pleasantly surprised Tom likes this fairly heavy euro. Great stuff

thanks!

This component drop had to take forever to clean up.

I am trying to like this game but after two tries it's hard... I have a better grasp of the rules now but the manual still vexes me to no end; it is just so poorly organized and frustratingly confusing on occasion! Also, art-wise it just doesn't pop - it's very bland-looking and hard to get excited over. I liked that all the prestige buildings you can build reference different locations and adventures in the Gloomhaven game itself, and there are enough interesting mechanics to make playing this game worthwhile. But I think a big problem with it is that it's not complicated because it enhances the gameplay in some way (i.e. Twilight Imperium). It's complicated for complexity's sake; almost like Isaac Childres looked at a bunch of board game mechanics he liked in a lot of other games (Glory to Rome, Puerto Rico, Race for the Galaxy, etc.) and decided to cram them all into one game without a lot of thought given to how well it's all going to work together. It might stick around in my collection for another couple of games, but it hasn't earned a permanent spot on the shelf.

@mgk2020

6 жыл бұрын

razorboy251 I'd bet a lot of thought went into it. Maybe it's just not for you.

my only issue with the game is how distracting the board could get after the players have built most or all of their buildings and tiles, you need to continuously keep track of your resources and the busy board doesn't help, but other than that it's good game.

I just bought this game on a massive markdown for 5$ brand new, so I figure I'll get 5$ worth of fun out of it.

@namethem00

2 жыл бұрын

How? Where? That's an insanely good deal.

If it were by a different publisher and didn't have the name Gloomhaven, this game would flounder in my opinion. It will probably do OK riding the Gloomhaven wave.

@elayeth

6 жыл бұрын

TheRmm1976 If it was not called gloomhaven, it would certainly avoid the whole negativity it does not deserve. The problem is that it has reached the wrong target group. Take a look at splotter games reviews as an example.

@barry1902

Жыл бұрын

@@elayeth I have to agree, the name probably helped the sales but hurt the rating.

The game really isn't that complex, but the rulebook is a bit of a mess and makes it sound more complicated than it is. There's just a few important rules about how to place things that you need to grab onto.

It comes down to... There are so many more fun games out there that wed rather play. This is a dust collector indeed.

@barry1902

Жыл бұрын

Depends what you think of as fun. I thrive with complex, long euros that require a lot of thinking and maths. I can also play codenames or such for a laugh. everyone is different.

Tom should play The Great Zimbabwe, much simpler, shorter, scratches the same itch, theme is integrated better, modular board, just as interactive if not more directly so.

@boardgametrucker9376

6 жыл бұрын

Jeffery Hunt yeah but that's unfair comparison bc aliens made it = splotter

So that's how trickle down economics works.

Brownhaven

"Just what I expected from Tom. He bashes a heavy euro-style game for being a heavier, more thinky game when he clearly doesn't like heavy games at all. I think this game isn't for most people who don't like to think....." Oh wait, Tom likes it and gave it a Seal of Approval. Well, I guess this is going to be news to the Feudum commentors.

If this game didn't have "Gloomhaven" in the title and was the work of an unknown game designer, it would have been murdered in the reviews. Murdered I say. Seriously... it's a tile placement game in which players constantly need to check the rulebook about how to place tiles. Some tiles must go in specific places because of theme (I hated those). On top of that, the scoring is incredibly convoluted and the game is really long.

@elayeth

6 жыл бұрын

Stefano I disagree. If it didnt have „Gloomhaven” in the title it would have probably been reviewed by Heavy Cardboard and such and would have not been played by the wrong target audience... In the end it would have probably less negative reviews after all.

@Th0rvidTheViking

6 жыл бұрын

Ummm it was played and reviewed by Heavy Cardboard, twice actually, and they really liked it. Here's the links. kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZaCCmbdqo9S_j6g.html kzread.info/dash/bejne/f2dmybuylrvflJs.html

@Ohkapi

5 жыл бұрын

@@Th0rvidTheViking thank you Odinwolf and thanks Mac. Thanks Stefano too. For all your comments, sharing and opinions :-)

@barry1902

Жыл бұрын

I love convoluted scoring and really long games, you just sold it to me. Thanks.

I agree with all your comments Tom, except for your middling to good score for the game. I loved it, and I think that’s the subjective bit. It’s very simple to pick up, a couple of turns in you know what everything does (aside from a few minor situational rules); but form that point on the game just keeps expanding with choices and possibilities. It’s a heavy game, but only in so far as the player wants it to be. You could easily sit there and take money each turn and never follow, if everyone is doing that it’s fine. But everyone is making great choices, and possibly great opportunities for you to follow. All of this you said, but I’m a full on 9/10 for this! I also love Gloomhaven and the world, so there is that bias.

@Skippan

6 жыл бұрын

'Approved' means ~75-85 score, so it doens't seem like that low

Oh, I thought this was an expansion for Gloomhaven given all the buzz. Good to know.

@stevenjudd2383

6 жыл бұрын

I believe there is a Gloomhaven expansion coming in the next few months, but this isn't it.

@GamingWithGeo

6 жыл бұрын

Yes there is a mini expansion coming out later this year, with a big box expansion coming out maybe around two years from now. Or maybe more since it will be the same size as the base game itself.

I think this review just goes to show that Isaac isn't the God designer everyone claims him to be. Yes, he created Gloomhaven (even though my own opinion on that game is meh) but this tells me that he got lucky with its popularity. Two of his three games (Founders and Forge War) have been mixed on what people think about them with neither really garnering praise either.

@a1investigations433

5 жыл бұрын

That's silly. He didn't get lucky with Gloomhaven's popularity. People don't like it because Isaac rolled a natural 20, they like because they enjoy it. Most (all) designers have good games and bad games, loved games and hated games.

@barry1902

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure he's considered a god designer. He's just known for the most popular game (which I own and don't like).

Meh

I really wanted to like this, but ultimately I found it boring. The amount of effort to get from a to b wasn’t worth it. Clever. Original. Novel. As a whole it fails because of insufficient fun.

This really isn't appealing to me and that's nothing to do with my meh opinion of Gloomhaven. It just looks too complex for what it should be and every time I see it being played, it looks so drab in aesthetics and the game just goes on forever - I know I'd be going mad with the downtime. It looks like something Splotter would make and that's the last association I want with any game!

@JefferyHunt

6 жыл бұрын

Luke Hector maybe it looks too complex to you, but the designer is the arbiter of what it “should be”.

@Valcurdra

6 жыл бұрын

It's pointlessly cramed with unnecessary rules and mechanisms that were not needed. Easy pass for me.

@JefferyHunt

6 жыл бұрын

Geoffrey Heffernan define “needed mechanism.” Is there such a thing? These are games, lol. The author determines the experience he wants the players to have and obviously found that these were the set of mechanisms needed to produce it.

@aonline_abridged

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, it is not streamlined, but it was not meant to be streamlined, it is meant to be a thinky logistics game about resource inter-connections. But Tom's got it right, it is not for everyone.

@Valcurdra

6 жыл бұрын

A Online The designer can do whatever he likes. For me streamlining a game is nessesary for me to want to play it.

The tiles still have a prototype look. Not the most beautiful game to look at which, nowadays and give the sum pledged, its very disappointing.

This is a very unattractive looking game.

I started getting bored around the 7 min mark

Horrible review. You stick cards in the front of the camera just inches away for less than 2 seconds... when the camera finally adjusts, you see the image for less than 1/2 a second. This repeated forced camera focus actually causes people's eyes to 'attempt' to adjust for the camera, my eye literally bother me after watching from minute 1-3.

@JefferyHunt

6 жыл бұрын

Rusty Cougle did you contribute to the DT Kickstarter?

@alcovitch

6 жыл бұрын

Go see an optometrist. Donno what you're raving about.

@Th0rvidTheViking

6 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, then I noticed that the auto resolution for some reason was only at 480p. Changing that helped. That might be some of the issue.