Forza Motorsport VS Gran Turismo 7 - MAZDA 787B Comparison In Depth Car Model Details

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  • @Pickchore
    @Pickchore6 ай бұрын

    The difference between a corporation run studio and one that is truly passionate about cars and driving.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Could not of said it better!

  • @AllOutNoobHater
    @AllOutNoobHater6 ай бұрын

    Bruh. GT7 literally modeled in the connectors and different colored wires, but meanwhile, FM23 forgets to model in the trash can inside the car AND they don’t give credit to the 3 drivers that drove this monster. Unreal.

  • @initialdoge8528
    @initialdoge85286 ай бұрын

    I’ve seen a real AE86 Trueno GT-APEX in real life before,took pictures of it and in GT7,even the build quality gaps are there,the pop up headlights gaps,the trunk gap,everything looks identical in there,even the interior materials and the exhaust pipe lol

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    One of my favorite cars of all time, that! And it's every drift game's starting car, hahaha.

  • @RZM_Phoenix
    @RZM_Phoenix6 ай бұрын

    I've been a Forza guy through and through, but I completely agree with your critique of the newest instalment. When you compare it to GT7, there is no contest. I'm primarily a livery designer and we've been absolutely shit on. The RT for the most part looks so bad. The vehicle lights in forza looked way better in FM4, they just look cloudy and dead, plus they are so dim during night races you can barely tell they're on. Built from the ground up will haunt this team for a long time, and rightly so. Beyond disappointed. The game should never have been released in the state that it is, and to anyone defending it, you are the reason we get the low standards we get today. During the 90's/00's games had to be finished, no 'day one' patches, you could tell dev teams cared. Not any more. Anyway, I really enjoy your content. It's interesting to see the true leap in fidelity and detail that Gran Turismo truly offers, even though I've not played it since GT4 👍

  • @zakuraayame5091

    @zakuraayame5091

    6 ай бұрын

    While I do tend to agree with the last statement; if I were to devil's advocate a bit/strongman the other side ... Forza 8 has a bit more going on in every aspect of development than a 90s/00s racing game ;) Take a 90s/00s Tomb Raider vs one of the ones today as well. No excuse for major bugs, glitches, missing content, etc that should be solved with proper play testing and systems to troubleshoot issues that will come up in every project; but I think it would be unwise to just throw it on the worker bees and maybe focus more on the bees with suits, three letter designations, and a complete detachment for gaming and enjoyable engagement. Deadlines, Budget changes, new hires/layoffs, shifts in focus during development, etc. It makes me happy I got a PS5 and GT7; F7 was ok but I didn't play it as much when I was playing it than I have the just the desire to pick up and progress somewhere in GT7 comparatively.

  • @Fizzare
    @Fizzare6 ай бұрын

    Forza looks like Hot wheels, GT7 looks like Tamiya.

  • @02lucy666
    @02lucy6666 ай бұрын

    I love how even the highpolyrendering like on other cars doesnt work on the 787B (probably a bug report needed), yet it still looks so much better than Forzas super Level of detail model lol

  • @zakuraayame5091

    @zakuraayame5091

    6 ай бұрын

    wait; that is a bugged lower resolution version of the 787B on PS5 ... that is inconceivable! now I want to see the best looking car in GT7 next to its F8 counterpart :D

  • @minners71
    @minners716 ай бұрын

    The biggest difference is that gt7 has vr. I can never go back to flat screen racing. All the talk of raytracing and GT7's reflection are a class above F7. Did anyone watch the Digital Foundry video on gt7/f7 ? After showing that gt7 was the far superior looking game the backlash started. Gamers started posting pictures of f7 showing how much more details the tracks had and the fact that f7 had more trees. DF then posted real life photos of the tracks to show that gt7 were accurate even down to the tree lines, where as f7 had more trees but also the wrong type of trees. Polyphony are just masters of detail.

  • @stretch493

    @stretch493

    6 ай бұрын

    I watched that comparison video...to me it looked like Forza just decided to use trees to cover up their lack of background rendering

  • @zakuraayame5091
    @zakuraayame50916 ай бұрын

    As someone who started on GT on PS1, but also enjoyed F7 a bit; I am stunned by just how much better GT7 looks than F8. Rory talked about F8 physics and issues such as on contact cars suction to each other or bugs with proximity markers and not having a radar. A lot of the issues that you could say the more refined players notice like us notice might not even be on the radar for the middle 80% of players who just buy the next Forza like some just buy the next GT. I want Forza to be competitive to keep GT on its toes as this is a very specific market; ACC/iRacing get the more dedicated people and there are tons of arcade-style or add in police, etc. for everyone else. The only other game that really grabbed me was Tokyo Extreme Race Zero. I loved the cars, racing on the Japanese highways, a decent amount of modding for its time. I secretly want a bit more of that in GT; but I'd take more classic Japanese sports cars like the 89 MR2 SC, 99 Eclipse GSX, and American muscle like a 02 Trans Am Firehawk, Monte Carlo SS, etc. Love the 787B; but my dream car is a 20B-REW Series 8 RX-7 Spirit-R LHD. One day I hope to become successful enough to buy one; until that day, games like this do what they can to fulfill it :) For the games; I currently have a wishlist to get a PSVR2 and the new 15 Nm PS compatible wheel and pedal set. I'd like to say its all greed, but one of my kids is in to cars and the racing game and I'm excited to get her to experience it like that. A few years before learning permit even. Teach her to drive a stick in the game is also an idea I have ... get her comfortable with the multitasking (though maybe that is a mistake and she will be more likely to clutch dump LOL) the shift process outside of controlling a multi-ton steel object around others :D Take care

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Thank you for your detailed response. Like many others, I also transitioned from the original GT and even Forza. It's undeniable that Forza 7 looked impressive, but F8 was a huge disappointment, primarily due to its marketing strategy. I agree with you that the original fans and those who are more discerning are often overlooked in these updates. It seems like less effort is put in, which is frustrating. People are growing tired of games being released unfinished and messy ACC/iRacing do have a dedicated player base, likely because they're primarily PC games. The toxicity in some PC gaming communities can be off-putting, especially among those who believe PCs are superior and therefore can't appreciate a good simulation game on a console . I've noticed in my time playing ACC on PC and dabbling in iRacing that there's a tendency to belittle console games and GT, which is annoying. In my opinion, if GT7 were released on PC, it would significantly impact the PC gaming scene. I remember in the UK, that game was called Tokyo Extreme Racer - it was one of my favorites. I even uploaded a short video kzread.infoL-1TNEqp9wg I loved racing on the highway, especially the thrill of flashing lights to challenge other racers. The goal is often to find a 'boss' car to race against. The key to winning is to drain the opponent's bar, but the challenge intensifies with the risk of crashing into another car or hitting a wall, which can deplete all your health. It's was a thrilling part of the race! I miss them days so much! Personally, I'd love to see more classic JDM cars in GT, more everyday classics rather than racing or concept cars. The car lists in GT1 and GT2 were great. Getting a PSVR2 won't disappoint, especially with a wheel and pedals. It's top-notch for VR, and in my experience, it surpasses all the major PC VR titles. The best ones on PC VR are Automobilista 2 and Project Cars 3, but the rest, including F1 23, seem poorly optimized and almost holographic. So, you're definitely making a good choice with PSVR2. It's not greed; it's about enjoying life. If it were greed, then I'd be extremely greedy, but that's far from the truth. My little girl loves VR. I set her up in the play seat, put the VR headset on her, and she's thrilled as I drive. My dream car is the 22B Impreza, though I'd also love a Sierra Cosworth. I'm also interested in the Honda Integra DC2 or the Impreza P1 - really, any old school JDM car would make me happy. I hope you reach your goal and would love to hear updates about your PSVR2 experience. Happy gaming!

  • @olavofernandes7286

    @olavofernandes7286

    Ай бұрын

    Erm the mazda RX7 spirt R only came in rhd since it was produced for its domestic market when it was new in 2002

  • @Alp577
    @Alp5776 ай бұрын

    Watching the VR showroom of 787B is so real! Probably what I would do in real life on a 787B if allowed to crawl around it. 😂

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Imagine getting to the showroom in real life, then climbing up on the spoiler. When someone asks, 'Sir, what are you doing?' you casually reply, 'Just checking the details!' Haha.

  • @RainingFlow19
    @RainingFlow196 ай бұрын

    I like Forza Motorsport but even I agree GT7 is just generation ahead. Idk what polyphony dev cycle looks like but it sure made with incredible love.

  • @doomslayer5644

    @doomslayer5644

    6 ай бұрын

    They build gt from scrap for gt sports, so +- 10 years of development and refinement. And yet is not perfect.

  • @ACGustaf
    @ACGustaf6 ай бұрын

    “Stop! Stop! Hes already dead!” 😂

  • @elakpucko3
    @elakpucko36 ай бұрын

    Thank you for mentioning how bad the grapichs are in (the Alpha of) Forza Motorsport (7.5). Alot of people are forgetting about the presented and promised visuals in the official gameplay Demo. Thank you keeping this subject in the limelight. Btw, your opinions are really pleasant to listen to, I wouldn't mind listening to you for the full video length.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    You're welcome, thank you for comment!

  • @dodge488ywing4
    @dodge488ywing46 ай бұрын

    The only game I can think you could fairly compare to Forza Motorsport is Forza Horizon 1, a 12 year old game made for the Xbox 360. It is just shocking the standard that they advertised this game for. Saying they used a “paint spectrometer” which it looks like they used Windows 8 to make the game on. I feel as though FM only exists to show how good every other game is and appreciate them more, such as GT7.

  • @MonTzEdits
    @MonTzEdits6 ай бұрын

    GT7 is the most geral advanced game. made by passionate people, rare nowadays

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Absolutely, it's the most detailed game on the market!

  • @NikosM112
    @NikosM1126 ай бұрын

    Fm looks so dull and boring graphics and gameplay wise.

  • @supercededman

    @supercededman

    6 ай бұрын

    I just watched a Basic Ollie video of a race in i-Gouging. Whilst entertaining, visually it makes Forza looks good. BUT ... the visuals are not the thing with i-Gouging. It is the superb level of racing. Personally, I'm a fan of GT7l, and FM7 is neither good graphically or gameplay-wise.

  • @NikosM112

    @NikosM112

    6 ай бұрын

    @@supercededman FM is a scam.

  • @realmustangboy6437

    @realmustangboy6437

    6 ай бұрын

    The 360 Motorsport games looked better, to me atleast.

  • @nino3639

    @nino3639

    6 ай бұрын

    It's a fucking arcade bro

  • @NicoKyunKyun

    @NicoKyunKyun

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@nino3639not an excuse for bad gameplay, "arcade" should be an easy game to jump in and out, have somewhat deep skill level to make you come back, and most importantly fun

  • @pokemongoprofessoroak7792
    @pokemongoprofessoroak77926 ай бұрын

    The T50 in the lobby of Forzas photo mode is okay ish.. but if you look in the engine bay via the rear grill, theres okay detail.. put in the race, same angle.. Its missing more than half the engine and if you are lucky, you can see through the windshield

  • @Inwardroom7030
    @Inwardroom70306 ай бұрын

    Look at 0:05 ,the black plastic part right beside 55 is missing in GT7,that’s the real lod for gameplay,when in photo mode,it’ll change to another level

  • @JamesBond-mu4ce
    @JamesBond-mu4ce6 ай бұрын

    I bought today from Argos PlayStation Slim Digital specifically for one game: Grand Turismo 7. As a longtime fan of Forza Motorsport, I was losing hope after the latest version and yearned for a racing sim showcasing the capabilities of the next generation. While there are other realistic sims like Assetto Corsa and ACC, iRacing and few others. I've never seen the attention to detail in cars for both inside and outside game like in GT7. The intro is more than a game; it's a love letter to cars, creating a fantasy world where the developers share a deep passion for automobiles. Upon starting the game, I played some music race at the highest level while it was still downloading, not leaving until I earned gold on the first three drives two hours later. Despite being unfamiliar with the PS controller, I pushed through to adapt to new muscle memory. Afterwards, I spent around 30 minutes just admiring the Mazda 2 in Scapes, amazed at how real the game looks. I own a Mazda 3 saloon, the same range model from 2015 in the same color, and the interior feels like being there - drop-dead gorgeous! I plan to add a direct wheel, a small stand with pedals, and perhaps VR in the future, for now, I'm loving the pure, basic controller paired with GT7. I played for hours until the controller was depleted, now resting as it charges. Playing on the hardest settings with every aid switched off, except for ABS, to get used to the controller, and opting for a clean HUD for immersion. Completing A and B licenses on gold with the previously mentioned settings, I appreciate the driving physics, especially the fact that is finally a challenge to drive a Supra and every car is different and doing things right is so rewarding. The first time when I drove in wet conditions makes wonder how Forza got this so wrong. The cafe in the game adds to the overall simulation experience. GT7 fulfills everything I ever wanted from a racing title. I hope for more cars and tracks in the future, even if through DLC, as it would undoubtedly be worth the purchase. To everyone who recommended this, thank you; you were right and you gave me the best driving experience since I raced in league in rFactor, that was long time ago. For every Forza defender, get a PS5, buy Turismo 7, and a few hours later, you'll unlikely find yourself defending Forza. AutomotiveVP, I knew you were right but I didn’t know how much that will change my life and makes me fall in love and believe once more that is not always about money when making racing games by huge developers.❤🏎️

  • @neilhogg3297
    @neilhogg32976 ай бұрын

    Another class video whilst on me break at work lol.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Glad you enjoyed it! I'm getting ready for work now! GUTTED hahah

  • @untrainedprofessionals2374
    @untrainedprofessionals23746 ай бұрын

    Slow speed to 0.25 at 3:35 to 3:40. It shows the time and small detail.. Check the orange guard indicator/light. The raised print when the reflection goes over it.

  • @ewmx1255
    @ewmx12556 ай бұрын

    How did you achieve this shot inside the car in FM? 1:21 Good comparison btw, keep up the good work.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    No HUD. I took a screenshot using the capture card. Thank you :)

  • @JensenAmory
    @JensenAmory6 ай бұрын

    I never played Forza as a kid because xbox was forbidden in my home growing up. but when I eventually played a Forza game... I realised I didn't miss out as I had nfs and midnight club next to GT all those years

  • @Imufur
    @Imufur6 ай бұрын

    does forza force TAA? it looks slightly blurred

  • @tpakzone
    @tpakzone6 ай бұрын

    The reality is that Gran Turismo has years of history behind it going back to 1997, where it changed racing games forever. Created by a motorsport and car enthusiast. It has reached a stage in all these years where its class cannot be matched. Resulting in games like Forza looking like nothing but a half arsed effort glossed with “good” graphics. You cant achieve what Gran Turismo has overnight. Its that simple.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Well said!

  • @VariantAEC

    @VariantAEC

    6 ай бұрын

    Explain Driveclub, then? Back when Driveclub launched in 2014, it was head and shoulders above GT6, and dare I say it even GT Sport (barring car models) as well all other racing games visually through 2022. Evolution Studios had passion, but supposedly not a lot of money or sway within PS, and yet they recreated many real-world locations and licensed cars that they put into Driveclub doing a better job of it than Turn 10 (and everyone besides Polyphony Digital) right on up through 2023. They also made a VR version of Driveclub. They added tons of features to the base game, new locations, tracks, cars, and motorcycles to the original release, all within 2 years' time. Driveclub wasn't Evolution Studios' first racing game, but you can't tell me with a straight face that Driveclub wasn't a massive departure from Evolution Studios' prior work in MotorStorm. So, how do you explain that Evolution Studios managed to recreate licensed cars in real-world locations recreating real-world weather conditions all dynamiclly in their first go using a new engine on new HW and did so well with it all that it genuinely rivals GT7's overall visual fidelity on PS5 today?

  • @tpakzone

    @tpakzone

    6 ай бұрын

    @@VariantAEC oh wow, are we really going there? Drive Club looked amazing no doubt with its weather effects and locations etc. but can you really say that the Drive Club car models are anywhere near those of Gran Turismo 7?

  • @VariantAEC

    @VariantAEC

    6 ай бұрын

    @@tpakzone I literally wrote this in my only reply to you above: "Back when Driveclub launched in 2014, it was head and shoulders above GT6, and dare I say it even GT Sport *(barring car models)..."* That was just *TWO SENTENCES* into my first reply, which remains unedited. Anything else you need help understanding?

  • @tpakzone

    @tpakzone

    6 ай бұрын

    @@VariantAEC apologies i missed that part. It was still early here

  • @AllOutNoobHater
    @AllOutNoobHater6 ай бұрын

    Oh, could you do the R32 to R35 comparisons between the games? I’d love to see the R33 compared!

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    It shall me done!

  • @zrewio

    @zrewio

    6 ай бұрын

    @@AutomotiveVPwe really need a R32 comparison, i know its gonna be sad because the R32 model in motorsport is old as shit its from forza motorsport 3 or 4

  • @optimumplatinum2640

    @optimumplatinum2640

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@AutomotiveVP idk if you did it but could you do the Silvia or the ae86?

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Silvia one for you! kzread.info/dash/bejne/mJx8j7yxlcmYpco.html Hope you enjoy. @@optimumplatinum2640

  • @ramyabouhassan
    @ramyabouhassan6 ай бұрын

    gt is sensational omg the detail on models are truly astonishing

  • @Biscuit-Nomster
    @Biscuit-Nomster6 ай бұрын

    I was playing Forza on my friends xbox, I also own GT7 on my PS5, I usually race on the Bonnet Cam in Sim Racers so on Forza thats what i went for and was having real problems racing because of Ray tracing reflexions on the body work. So I decided to change my paint to mat. But on the Bonnet view still had refections!?! On mat paint?!? This really bugged me as I've never had a problem with other games with such a thing.

  • @Joao-ki2wv
    @Joao-ki2wv6 ай бұрын

    why are the decals smaller on the forza model?

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Because they did not take the time to get the right sizes, they just placed them without looking into the dimensions.

  • @Lisek_z_kebabem
    @Lisek_z_kebabem16 күн бұрын

    the livery in forza on the car looks like something i would make in the nfs decal editor (im not the greatest at it)

  • @oppos727
    @oppos7276 ай бұрын

    Another banger 💪

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @hondacivic-uo8ne
    @hondacivic-uo8ne6 ай бұрын

    Ground for the build up

  • @lprince96
    @lprince966 ай бұрын

    Song title?

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Below Freezing by Daniel Gautreau

  • @BIGGZZ_Gaming
    @BIGGZZ_Gaming6 ай бұрын

    W video bro 👍🏼

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Thanks bro!

  • @BIGGZZ_Gaming

    @BIGGZZ_Gaming

    6 ай бұрын

    @@AutomotiveVP 🙏🏻👊

  • @blackterryknight
    @blackterryknight6 ай бұрын

    Gt7 got the 3d laser to get the the real thing. Thats why its way better then fm. I seen a video where the team bring in a real car and 3d Scan it.

  • @Bitdead
    @Bitdead6 ай бұрын

    Its good to see how far Forza falls behind GT7 in terms of car models and some track details. As a disappointed FM fan it would be interesting to see you compare FM to itself, the trailers they showed us bfr the release of the game, perhaps that would make it easier for FM fans to see what there is to complain about without being stuck behind their fanboy mentality?

  • @DMCRacing82
    @DMCRacing825 ай бұрын

    I can't believe the difference

  • @guily6669
    @guily66696 ай бұрын

    Not only it look worse even than GT7 on my old PS4 Pro but also require a shit ton load of more hardware power to run sadly, I like the new gameplay but they ruined the career completely.

  • @realmustangboy6437
    @realmustangboy64376 ай бұрын

    FM'23 makes me wanna wish i could play GT on my xbox, but i'll need a PS5 (not going for PS4). Probably should get a PS5 at some point since i have xbox original, 360 and Series X so all i need now is a place to have a PS5 and money.

  • @GC-doot

    @GC-doot

    6 ай бұрын

    Me too. I’m so upset. I was really hoping we would get great game like forza Motorsport 4. That game changed my life.

  • @NightWanderer31415
    @NightWanderer314156 ай бұрын

    Forza's lighting is so weird. GT's isn't perfect but it's so much more lively.

  • @Josh-ev2se

    @Josh-ev2se

    6 ай бұрын

    games aren't perfect. "some"

  • @NightWanderer31415

    @NightWanderer31415

    6 ай бұрын

    @@Josh-ev2se some what?

  • @kinodead
    @kinodead6 ай бұрын

    Ogni tanto i giochi li giocate o fate solo confronti?

  • @xnotasweatx
    @xnotasweatx6 ай бұрын

    Not even driver names,..

  • @motchness
    @motchness6 ай бұрын

    forza doesnt compare to gt7. then there is vr2.

  • @Yanooo91
    @Yanooo916 ай бұрын

    It's not even fair at this point 🤔 Forza looks like mobile game

  • @VariantAEC

    @VariantAEC

    6 ай бұрын

    Actually, CSR2's car models legitimately look better than FM23's.

  • @andreasmoller9798
    @andreasmoller97986 ай бұрын

    Imagine if just gt7 was on pc and you could play it with gtx 4090

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    🥵🥵🥵🥵

  • @KonTurboR
    @KonTurboR6 ай бұрын

    Isn't it ironic companies don't want damage to be shown in the model, but do allow the model to look like a pirate version?

  • @michaelvelez6699
    @michaelvelez66996 ай бұрын

    Im not a Fanboy, but i feel dissapointed more that i was with GT7 in first days. Turn 10 demostrate they dont care of Forza Motorsport and literally GT7 from the ground goes to the sky almost since Specs II update.

  • @gustavoandre9468
    @gustavoandre94686 ай бұрын

    Parece que no GT7 o cara lavou o carro, já no Forza parece que ficou muito tempo sem lavar que ficou com a pintura toda opaca/fosco.

  • @michaelvelez6699

    @michaelvelez6699

    6 ай бұрын

    Lol, pero es cierto. En Forza los autos se ven muy opacos y oscuros y como dijiste un color mate. Hasta la comunidad inglés está harto de Forza Motosrport en la mentria que Turn 10 hicieron.

  • @peterlegge8781
    @peterlegge87816 ай бұрын

    Bro Elden Ring is possibly the best game ever!

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    I loved it, but I was talking visually.

  • @MangueraPrime
    @MangueraPrime6 ай бұрын

    Damn dude, upload the Forza graphics, you have them at a minimum.

  • @Callmedrain

    @Callmedrain

    6 ай бұрын

    Bruh

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Stop with the excuses. We have gone over this time and time again; we are using the Xbox Series X or PC with max Ultra settings. I have tons of videos live showing me going into max settings. Give up.

  • @MangueraPrime

    @MangueraPrime

    6 ай бұрын

    ​​@@AutomotiveVP Well, I don't understand how you look so much worse than me. and I'm not talking about the models of the cars that I know are better in gt7

  • @michaelbrown9031
    @michaelbrown90316 ай бұрын

    The only negative against GT7 is the lack of weathering on the 787B, as the old girl has been around a bit. Saw it at Goodwood a few years back and she's got some battle scars, but love the detail in GT7. Imagine how good that game would be if they had focused purely on PS5 development

  • @NotSinmara
    @NotSinmara6 ай бұрын

    Ground up.

  • @TACJHON_
    @TACJHON_4 ай бұрын

    Fm looks dead in the lighting

  • @cerviche101
    @cerviche1016 ай бұрын

    IF GT ever makes its way to PC its all over for the Motorsport franchise, Horizon will live on and be successful but Motorsport?... nah

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    I believe that if 'Gran Turismo 7' were released on PC, it would completely shake up the PC sim racing scene. It would be interesting to see the outcomes, and I think modders would immediately start working on it

  • @FlaK_09

    @FlaK_09

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@AutomotiveVP assetto Corsa: fresh car mods coming right up 🔥

  • @Satori-Automotive
    @Satori-Automotive6 ай бұрын

    When Driveclub looks better then Forza from 2023, then something is seriously wrong with the studio.. i also dont get why they didnt copied and enhanced the models from Forza Horizon... and then reworked the sounds and handling model.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    This is what I don't understand. What were they even doing for six years?

  • @ThroughJermainesLens
    @ThroughJermainesLens6 ай бұрын

    While I agree with Forza, the microtransactions are a problem in the whole gaming community

  • @olavofernandes7286

    @olavofernandes7286

    Ай бұрын

    In gt7 mtx is not forced apon you it's optional

  • @Evil-La-Poopa
    @Evil-La-Poopa6 ай бұрын

    Imagine buying forza when u have Assetto Corsa since 2014 ... and also Project Cars, R Factor, Raceroom and Automobilista. And now all Forza fans unite to cry how bad the game is xD It was never beating any of the named games. It just so obvious now that even the blind hardcore fans cant denie it. Forza Motosport is dead. Which is kinda odd because Horizon rocks.

  • @emoney7472
    @emoney74726 ай бұрын

    So what?

  • @StancedVacuum
    @StancedVacuum6 ай бұрын

    Holding on until the PS5 Pro refresh.. I have GT7 on PS4 Pro rn, but I feel without the HDR and RT lighting it looks like a completely different game. Kinda washed. Tbh GT7 on the PS4 is pretty comparable to Motorsport, fidelity-wise, after watching a couple of these comparisons.. I've just spent too much on my PC, and I really really wanted Forza to nail this.. Because initially, I was immensely disappointed by GT7, but it's coming back around. Maybe FM need a year+ of patches and content changes before I can return to this IP as well. Anyway.. *Fires up PCSX2*

  • @supercededman
    @supercededman6 ай бұрын

    Standing on its own without comparison to GT7 (or previous versions of Forza), FM7 is pretty impressive. But when compared to GT7 or other games, it just is so disappointing, visually. I get it, though. As much as I LOVE GT7, I'm hoping that Forza can succeed, because competition is what we need. The gameplay of Forza is another thing altogether, and is copping heaps of criticism atm. Quite rightfully. Great videos, dude.

  • @chris.em2120
    @chris.em21206 ай бұрын

    Forza motor sports is trash that why I'm a sony fan love gt7 been playing it since 99 when they first came out

  • @joescivic

    @joescivic

    6 ай бұрын

    97 😉

  • @diogoglov
    @diogoglov6 ай бұрын

    I have Forza and it's true the graphics are sucks. Running at 4070 here 😢

  • @user-zc9zt2vl5s
    @user-zc9zt2vl5s6 ай бұрын

    Man forza looks like an absolute joke compared side by side next to gt7. GT7 looks unbelievably realistic compared to forza!

  • @jordonpollock1550
    @jordonpollock15506 ай бұрын

    Forza is just horrendous. GT has a slew of issues especially in the content/single player department but it is better by miles. My Ryzen 5600x RX 6800XT rig cant even run FM8 at 60fps all times, the frame drops are disgusting on certain corners. When FH5 runs at over 60FPS Maxed Out 4K. Can PD just release GT on PC for gods sake, it will sell like crazy. I sold my sim cockpit so I'm not pulling out the PS4 just yet

  • @kurtphipps7823
    @kurtphipps78236 ай бұрын

    Gamer's nowadays are so picky,

  • @Barker1080
    @Barker10806 ай бұрын

    Look inside the door of the Porsche GT2 RS… it says gt3 rs. Forza is a complete and utter embarrassment on so many levels. …and that’s coming from a life time Xbox fan

  • @writenamehere1536
    @writenamehere15366 ай бұрын

    To say i was dissapointed with the last 2 forza titles being motorsport and fh5 would be like saying nothing. At no point are both of these a$$ games an improvement or even a CHANGE over the last title. New map doesnt count.

  • @shotarosakamoto9882
    @shotarosakamoto98826 ай бұрын

    what happened to forza

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Lost the passion!

  • @BURZT_YT
    @BURZT_YT6 ай бұрын

    Early 😎

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Bro fist! 😎

  • @westbrionage
    @westbrionage6 ай бұрын

    Its good that everyone "overracted" to the micro transactions, got to nip that nonsense in the bud.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Kind of, but with all the other games that do it, no one said a thing, and GT's microtransactions are not locking content, so it's just nothing too major.

  • @askmyAK
    @askmyAK6 ай бұрын

    Horizon forbidden west is an amazing game, it’s too bad they decided to fill it with lefty politics

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    One of my favorite games and probably one of the best-looking games ever made, it just got overshadowed by Elden Ring. And to be honest, you see a lot of companies pushing this odd agenda now. I mean, I don't care who you are or what you do with your life, but we get it. Move on and just live your life without forcing it upon us.

  • @saubaur1
    @saubaur16 ай бұрын

    Its not the fault of forza, its just gt7 has overdelivered in graphics department ( atleast 1 generation ahead)

  • @ramellmerced8899
    @ramellmerced88996 ай бұрын

    I uploaded pictures on your Twitter account and you are doing a lot of editing for Forza Motorsport to please your PlayStation viewers.

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    You will be tagged into the community post now

  • @ramellmerced8899

    @ramellmerced8899

    6 ай бұрын

    Ok no problem ​@@AutomotiveVP

  • @johnnyg397
    @johnnyg3976 ай бұрын

    Not dead but they deff done a massive disservice to the franchise, I used to be a console player since pgr2 and sega gt and the forza franchise. This is amazing you area right the lighting and shading sucks idk what’s up with it. And that stupid motion blur like why

  • @regishauer2317
    @regishauer23176 ай бұрын

    So gt7 is such an arcade game that you take time to check the pipes while racing

  • @JesappelleFREDO

    @JesappelleFREDO

    6 ай бұрын

    🤣🤣🤣 GT7 arcade 🤣🤣🤣🤣 va te jeté

  • @jjtr1007

    @jjtr1007

    6 ай бұрын

    The video part matters in video game.

  • @andreasmoller9798

    @andreasmoller9798

    6 ай бұрын

    Both are simcades

  • @StancedInertia9
    @StancedInertia96 ай бұрын

    So disappointed in turn10. What a flop. I was expecting them to do better than GT7. Gt7 is worlds better in comparison. Fm is just so lifeless, bugged out and unoptimized. No game music, nothing to get me interested in the cars, just doesnt have that aggressive showcase that fm4 had. Just feels like an unfinished preview using they same cars and upgrades from fm3

  • @zinixoficial
    @zinixoficial6 ай бұрын

    the newest forza is a complete joke

  • @mro4ts457
    @mro4ts4576 ай бұрын

    Forza is a joke. They’ve been rebranding the same game engine since Forza 3 Buy Forza 4 at a discount and you’ll have the same game as Forza 8, just without some of the newer cars in the world

  • @ItsSnowflake07
    @ItsSnowflake075 ай бұрын

    Forza looks soooo bad lmao

  • @klayshotter
    @klayshotter6 ай бұрын

    Forza Motorsport is terrible

  • @nopenope9153
    @nopenope91536 ай бұрын

    Polyphony did lie. But not as bad. GT7 for how good it is, it still has its issues. Broken economy and a complete lack of single player events. Less than 200 races with very little car variety between them. But it doesnt matter anymore because forza shot itself in the foot and stole the spotlight. Glad i didnt preorder.

  • @josephhausser3096
    @josephhausser30966 ай бұрын

    lets keep in mind gt7 has been a glitchy mess since launch. I dont own forza, and have 300h in gt7. Its now at a playable state, but it hadnt been for a long time. Let forza cook, but lets keep making video'slike this so they know what to do

  • @joescivic

    @joescivic

    6 ай бұрын

    I got GT7 on release and I never experience anything glitchy happening. Almost every game really, I never experience what people complain about. As bad as everyone said Cyperpunk was, it played fine for me on Series X. Lol. What I do notice even when GT7 released, the game was still gorgeous. I don't think they did anything to remodel the cars...which is what the video shows between the 2 games. On launch, the car models were still superior. Now in FM's case, I doubt they're going to remodel the cars. They're going to stay plastic and have bad models

  • @nicog4638
    @nicog46386 ай бұрын

    Lol i find it funny that we've been saying for months that gt7 has better car models than motorsport but yall Playstation players are meatriding that one thing all the whole time how many times must we be shown that gt7 has better car models but doesnt have better overall graphics than forza or gameplay as good as forza or lighting why not compare other things and praise forza for what it done right instead of just focusing on car models that everyone knows looks better in gt7

  • @joescivic

    @joescivic

    6 ай бұрын

    Look, the exerebrose hater came out from hiding. Did you know this isn't the only channel to compare both games car models or tracks? Did you know he makes other videos? Or are you really brainless like I said? Lol. Cool, you like over exaggerated special effects on the tracks that don't resemble real life, and the washed out look the game offers. That's your opinion. But it really doesn't look realistic on track in FM. Let me make it simple for your young mind. Forza Motorsport is easy. It's catered to those who want to play and have disabilities. When I drive in FM, and no, I have my assists off, it is too damn easy of a game. Driving in that unrealistic looking rain is no different than driving on a dry surface in FM. I did the Valkryie even today and that car likes to get sideways if you give it full throttle on a dry track. The 2 or 3 other races that involved the fake rain in that event, felt no different in that crazy car. I should slide all over the place, but FM doesn't simulate that accurately. Don't go lying your ass off and "On Series X it does." No. You're delusional. You're biased. Why does the actual fucking Forza Forums and even FB pages talk so much shit? WE KNOW WHAT ISBWRONG AND THAT IT NEEDS FIXED. Do you even know the state the game is in right now? No you don't. You are just a casual. That's an actual fact. You're a casual. You JUST got a Series X (supposedly) and started playing this shit. You said it yourself. You have no idea why we TRUE Forza fans feel the way we do. They sold us a bunch of BS marketing words, and the game looks nowhere as good as they said, or showed before release. If they just kept their mouth shut, I'd care less. This game is handicapped and easy for casual kids like you who play on a controller, all while saying it feels real...on a controller. It's far different playing both games with a wheel setup. Far different. I'll admit FM feels better on controller since I gave that a try today with the controller instead of using my rig, but don't judge GT7's physics just because you supposedly played it...and with a controller. Wheels feel way different. You're going to feel the road through the force feedback. Don't mistake FFB with vibration either. 2 different things. But go ahead and blindly defend it. It's what's wrong with the world these days. Casuals like you accepting unfinished products so this kind of thing can keep happening to us. I bet you like it more because other than how easy it is to drive in Forza, it's very forgiving and let's you rewind to fix your mistake. Lmao. You probably suck so much in GT and get mad because a mistake on the track can cause you to actually lose. 😂

  • @andreasmoller9798

    @andreasmoller9798

    6 ай бұрын

    Overall the graphics are better in gt7, and if we are talking gameplay gt7 offers more to, full vr support forza dosent even include vr, gt7 also has more single player content, more tracks and overall more features,

  • @MrLuumpy
    @MrLuumpy6 ай бұрын

    If you cant even match the time of day on the videos....why bother? Meaningless dribble.

  • @desimguy2022

    @desimguy2022

    6 ай бұрын

    You can match it all you want, you can't deny the difference

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    Both games were set at 12 in the afternoon, mate. I follow this routine for every video. This one time, I changed the track in an attempt to improve Forza's lighting, but it was still problematic. I did this because people requested that I bring more light into the game, so I complied. And now, you're upset - it's baffling. At this point, nothing can save Forza. Please, let's stop making excuses.

  • @DankSi
    @DankSi6 ай бұрын

    Gt7 is just so fake cartoony and handles terribly

  • @desimguy2022

    @desimguy2022

    6 ай бұрын

    😂

  • @desimguy2022

    @desimguy2022

    6 ай бұрын

    Do you care?

  • @YoshiSSBU

    @YoshiSSBU

    6 ай бұрын

    Forza fanboy spotted😂

  • @davidandrew6855

    @davidandrew6855

    6 ай бұрын

    @@YoshiSSBU Amongst the sea of mindless GT fanboys, frothing at the mouth ad nauseum... 🤦‍♂ I thought this wasn't a GT centric channel, but I guess I'm mistaken.

  • @117johnpar
    @117johnpar6 ай бұрын

    The raytracing used in Forza is objectively better. By that, I mean its functional on more surfaces and in more scenarios. And being they're using the same raytracing processes. It is an objectively better implementation. The issue with Motorsport is that the lighting engine is abysmal. Something is genuinely broken with it. So the more raytracing we do get in the game looks worse because of the lighting. As well as the car texture shaders being just awful. Looks worse than any other Motorsport going back to Motorsport 3.

  • @VariantAEC

    @VariantAEC

    6 ай бұрын

    Forza Motorsport (2023)'s RT reflections only apply to mirrored surfaces, including transparencies, which is nice because GT7 doesn't apply RT to transparent materials at all. That said, there is no RTGI or shadows, and RTAO is meh in FM23, too. RT reflections in GT7 are applied to *ALL* opaque surfaces in the game. Every single one, including dirt, grass, and asphalt! These reflections also create GI bounce light and AO, which you can see by toggling RT on and off throughout the game (especially in photomode). The thing about light is that the main way it reacts to all materials is by way of reflecting off of them. By using RT to reflect off ecery surface, GT7 has a much more complete RT implementation. It is just limited to 30FPS modes because GT7 renders at native 4K. I'm not convinced GT7 would hit 60 with RT on at 1440p because it's doing so much.

  • @117johnpar

    @117johnpar

    6 ай бұрын

    @@VariantAEC Thats interesting. Seems to be the opposite of what Digital Foundry said about the implementations.

  • @VariantAEC

    @VariantAEC

    6 ай бұрын

    @@117johnpar It really isn't. You need to pay more attention to what they said. What does light do? Why would it be surprising to anyone that all you really need is RT reflections and RT shadows. Neither game uses RT to make shadows, btw. FM23 has RT reflections only on mirror-like surfaces, DF acknowledged that, but John Linnaman also said that one apparent in engine cutscene suggests that FM23 could deploy raytraced reflections on surfaces that have higher roughness values. FM23 has RTAO, which GT7 doesn't need because light amplitude is calculated using RT reflections so the more light bounces around a scene, the darker it gets. GT7 simulates that despite only having a single bounce to work with. They must deploy some extra parameters into their shaders to accomplish the fall-off in light intensity. Neither FM23 nor GT7 have RTGI, though FM23 promised RTGI during 30FPS replays and garage scenes. Once again, GT7 doesn't need a separate RT pass to simulate GI when using RT reflections on all surfaces because when light hits a car in replays, you see that reflecting back on to the nearest surfaces, including the track and vice versa. So GT7 doesn't technically have GI because it simulates that using reflections. FM23 needs RTGI because only glossy cars and glass windows could be lit with a secondary light bounce, so a separate GI pass would be needed to apply accurate lighting to diffuse materials. The same is true for RTAO, though John somehow didn't notice any AO like effects when he enabling RT in GT7, the effect clearly exists, darkening cockpit interiors and engine bays that have small openings which you can press the camera up against to see the inner workings of the car that are only appropriately lit when using RT.

  • @jpracing9753
    @jpracing97536 ай бұрын

    unpopular opinion but as a GT player I couldn't care less about those insane details. If this is really the reason why it takes so long to put cars in the game and only around 3 cars per update, then I'd rather have forza's car model quality any time of the day if that means having more cars coming to the game per update

  • @AutomotiveVP

    @AutomotiveVP

    6 ай бұрын

    "Quality over quantity" or "Quantity over quality"? The debate continues! Thanks for sharing your opinion! It's always interesting to hear different perspectives it's up to each player to decide which one suits their preferences better. I love checking the cars out!

  • @askmyAK

    @askmyAK

    6 ай бұрын

    Unpopular all right, sorry to inform you of this, but high Quality is Sony entertainment entire thing. Not being ironic here, but since detail isn’t important to you why not pick up a used series S and start playing Foza?

  • @jpracing9753

    @jpracing9753

    6 ай бұрын

    @@askmyAK graphics are not everything my dude, what about game design? What about what is really important on game? How cares about graphics when you have a shit game design full of flaws with no logical progression or sensation that you are actually progressing in the game? It's funny cuz both game are actually very bad at it, I only play GT but from what I've seen from the new Forza it's no different, both games lack massively in that aspect and that has been a major let down, the only reason I keep playing GT is because of the community of friends I have and we organize some races every 2 weekends, the days of playing the great GT games are over and now we have do deal with the current mess, it is what is but at the end of the day atleast we can play together with minimal conditions

  • @nickparkes479
    @nickparkes4796 ай бұрын

    The only divs here are those that play either game. Both are shite. Assetto Corsa all day every day of the week. Oh and modded, looks better than both games combined

  • @desimguy2022

    @desimguy2022

    6 ай бұрын

    😂 yall make me laugh, why don't you just play whatever you enjoy playing?

  • @YoshiSSBU

    @YoshiSSBU

    6 ай бұрын

    What does Asetto have to do with this video, no one cares

  • @davidandrew6855

    @davidandrew6855

    6 ай бұрын

    @@YoshiSSBU And here you go, when a GT fanatic/fanboy is faced with someone mentioning a vastly superior racing game, we get a response like this. HAHAHAHAHA As i've said before GT fanboys are so insecure, and *need* to thump their chest on how good GT is, just play your game and enjoy in the knowledge that you are playing your game of choice.

  • @JesappelleFREDO

    @JesappelleFREDO

    6 ай бұрын

    ​@@davidandrew6855Oh le fanboy ACC ferme t'on clapet rien a foutre de ACC 🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫 Parce que monsieur joue a ACC que tu te crois supérieur et intelligent face aux joueurs GT . Vous les joueurs ACC vous vous prenez pour des pilotes pour des vrais pilotes de voitures de course.. T'as rien d'un vrai pilote vous êtes juste un banal joueur de jeu vidéo.

  • @andreasmoller9798

    @andreasmoller9798

    6 ай бұрын

    Ac looks great with mods but not as good as gt7, but think about this many that might play gt7 or fm might not have a pc and it might not be an option for them, ac is not even flawless either, some mods are also terrible, and they are many good mods locked behind a paywall

  • @gaetanl-blain2829
    @gaetanl-blain28296 ай бұрын

    If Gt7 and forza was both out at the same and u got right but now i dont give a f..k about GT crap franchise. I have quit GT series bc it was unrealistic physics and none multiplayer option at this time. My point i dont care about details later maybe it going to be better and beat up again that s..t crap love to pretending is better over forza. Get good point since the release date between to each games and now its like u compare adult vs kid tryed to grown up in this life just begin

  • @DestinY-px5st
    @DestinY-px5st6 ай бұрын

    Now imagine... what would be the system requirements of Forza... if there was such detail as the GT on the console, maybe it's enough to compare... As a matter of fact... PC and console, what nonsense!!

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