Technically this comparison can be split into 3 parts: 0:04 - 6:33 - clips from the first comparison which I did when update 7 came out kzread.info/dash/bejne/aH-GmMiMp9XLh9I.html 6:33 - 14:26 - unused clips from Xbox Series X 14:26 - 19:30 - unused clips from PC And it looks like that those new clouds are in 'Partly Cloudy', 'Looming Clouds' and 'Mostly Clear (but not on all tracks)' weather conditions.

@VariantAEC

10 күн бұрын

So, the complete list of changes to visuals since launch are as follows: •Improved color grading •Improved cloud rendering on some tracks with certain weather conditions •Changed the position of the sun in the garage and some fictional tracks •Removed some eccentric fictional trackside details from real-world track locations •Changed intensity of headlights at night •Improved distant tree rendering on some tracks And... that's basically it. Still looks largely unchanged even in comparisons with update 1 compared to update 9, I'm like a machine that sees through color grading. It doesn't affect the game's basically quality level to me at all. The cloud rendering is a huge change only visible some of the time because it is clear that they only fixed some sky conditions. This still looks like a low-budget low-effort game, and we know it isn't. Compare this to the GT7 special showcase event and what actually released less than 1 year later and then 1 year after launch. Huge changes from the special showcase to launch day and tiny changes after launch to present (which has been over 1 year). The only thing GT7 could do that will wow players at this point is give us new tracks and update existing tracks. I think PD will reserve new scans for GT8 to further differentiate it from GT7, and I won't hold that against them so long as the changes being held back are visual. If a track layout is changed, meaning actual track configuration or length altered, these should make it into GT7, and I will hold that against PD. So far, as I am aware, and it's not like I follow each tracks' actual changes in real life, this hasn't happened yet; all changes to real locations so far have been cosmetic. Other games have similar progression curves, which is why I'm really hopeful that LMU improves greatly before the full launch. Additionally, I'm really hoping iRacing's visual upgrades will be worth the wait and live up to all the hype from the developer.

@M-hq9xz

9 күн бұрын

​@@VariantAECI agree that FM doesn't look perfect yet, but it doesn't look like a low budget game, definitely not

@tonypeters4029

8 күн бұрын

All this was done purposely These are very smart developers they know what they were doing there is a complete perfectly working beautiful game already done already... and better looking even than Forza Motorsport 7 sharp and crisp and running like a dream... Been saying this from the start... But after seeing games like CyberPunk this is how they keep gamers invested and keep them coming back each update hoping to get that next fix and to see what's added next... It's a brilliant tactical business model to follow and it's working. Mentally gamers would of moved on by now bored if given a fully working game straight out the box was released from day one this is they way things are now adays am afraid.

@VariantAEC

8 күн бұрын

@@tonypeters4029 Wacky conspiracy you have made up for yourself there.

@tonypeters4029

8 күн бұрын

​@@VariantAEC Wacky Because developers find it so hard huh, poor developers... That's why people like you are so easily robbed, and has let the gaming industry be in the state it has because of people like you... Again I stated this from the very beginning it will turn around like CP77 and get all the praise at the end. Listen not everybody is so gullible or naïve like the majority of the gaming public who only starting to actually not pre order games until they are actually released to see if it working or not, slow thinkers and can't see the bigger picture so that's why they are releasing unfinished games. Drip feeding us updates that shouldn't take skilled programmers this long to give us a fully working game. They can and they won't they rather keep us glued to this game for the whole duration of it's life span means more money for them keeping sales of the game til the end.

They finally got a colour expert to adjust their workstation monitor settings at Turn 10 to finally see why we've complained that everything feels washed.

@M-hq9xz

9 күн бұрын

🤣

@phixxter6575

9 күн бұрын

nah ur just a picky lil btch not everything in real life has the most color ever, gtfo, useless, go back to ur nfs

@damarfadlan9251

9 күн бұрын

Their colour expert seemingly done this stellar job.

@nihilityjoey

9 күн бұрын

Washed out?

@Wolfos530

9 күн бұрын

@@nihilityjoey The game was very desaturated before this patch. Look at the grass, it's nearly grey. Putting it in an image editor reveals the saturation is only 17 - 25%. Grass should be closer to 75% saturated green. The new one isn't very close to reality either.

Atmospheric scattering now looks more natural imo

@VariantAEC

10 күн бұрын

Agreed, but the new clouds look decidedly worse.

@zacharyfiddie2730

10 күн бұрын

I say they look better than update 7​@VariantAEC

@andrededecraf

10 күн бұрын

​​@@VariantAECwhat?? It looks much better, before they were extremely yellowish, they just need to correct the shadow of the clouds being very blue, making them almost blend in with the sky and fix the brightness a little on some maps

@VariantAEC

9 күн бұрын

@@andrededecraf The color grading is more like what you'd see on a clear sunny day, but the clouds look worse and less believable in update 9 with pockets of very high density volumes that look wrong. There is one point in this video where I do think the clouds look very realistic and also look like an improvement over all prior updates shown in this video, but that appears to be the exception.

@damarfadlan9251

9 күн бұрын

​@@zacharyfiddie2730Update 5?

Looks way better now, hopefully they keep this momentum up on improvements the garage especially looks better now

Finally! They fixed the contrast! It helps the colors pop now. That hazy gray look is gone. Garage vehicle details are improved as well. 👍🏾

@Viper3dc

6 күн бұрын

Hm only half of the tracks look better now.. some tracks look worse.. but hey.. a good step in the right direction. Its not as this is a big change. You could alter the color saturation of each track already before in the ini-files. You had to do this for each track but it was possible.

This new update now greatly shows how amazing the lighting system is within this game. You can see the reflections a lot better and shadows look dark as well as sharper. The color of the car reacting to the lighting looks more natural now

@japanesegamergirl1

4 күн бұрын

mean while gt7 has better lighting sense launch and you can make lobbys with different role playing. like cops lobby. 😂 motorsport loses here. and its even popular with the japanese players including me! so, when i make a lobby, im gonna name it, japanese only.

@honda56221

3 күн бұрын

​. Gt7 is for the weak

@thecooljohn100

2 күн бұрын

@@japanesegamergirl1Literally no one cares. We're Forza players watching a video about Forza.

@japanesegamergirl1

Күн бұрын

@@thecooljohn100 guess what? i still play forza so i can share my opnions and thoughts. why you so salty towrds a 13 year old? child abuser 🤷‍♀️

The sky is probably the easiest to understand.

@bjoernhaucap6111

2 күн бұрын

The mountain in the background at Mugelo

I wonder when they will fix their plastic-like paint material

@ld9387

9 күн бұрын

That probably takes longer to fix but surely they're working on it

@M-hq9xz

9 күн бұрын

Hopefully they will do, especially in standard paint the cars look a bit off

@HugoCostaCancio

9 күн бұрын

That has been a Forza Motorsport thing since forever.

@JZStudiosonline

8 күн бұрын

@@HugoCostaCancio The 360 games had decent paint, and Forza 5/Horizon 2 had amazing paint.

@andreasmoller9798

7 күн бұрын

They Will never get it right.

Forza is slowly getting better.

@mute1259

10 күн бұрын

That happens with recent Microsoft games, they come out very incomplete and it takes many months to be what they should have been at the beginning.

@ld9387

9 күн бұрын

​@mute1259 this is exactly why you shouldn't buy games at launch. Rather wait for patches and content updates

@landontorres1054

9 күн бұрын

​@@ld9387game pass is the reason

@angeltheplata2958

9 күн бұрын

Just like what happened with halo infinite

@zfersya33

9 күн бұрын

I think covid make the game release rushed

We need engine sound improvement😫

@AhmadGalalYT

9 күн бұрын

They closed my post in the forza forums about the Murcielago SV and one of the moderators there said that they are working on a large audio initiative. They did it for the Zonda Cinque as well, hopefully they do this for most terrible sounding cars

@germanautos9460

9 күн бұрын

Please can you request for the volkswagon golf r32 sounds to be updated ?​@AhmadGalalYT

@hafizhdns_

9 күн бұрын

@@AhmadGalalYT nice to hear that

@damarfadlan9251

9 күн бұрын

​@@AhmadGalalYTi think FM2023 still has awful sounds even after so many updates yet it won racing game of the year. This is unfair.

@andreasmoller9798

9 күн бұрын

@@damarfadlan9251agreed

Looks much less washed out, which is a huge improvement.

Slowly and surely it’s gettin there. I knew I wasn’t going crazy seeing graphic improvements. Now if they would fix the GT4RS front bumper!! Horizon 5 fixed it awhile ago. I don’t understand why turn 10 can’t do the same thing or as quickly

Finally, I think the time has come to finally buy this game 👌

@mr.kumar1

3 күн бұрын

Yea man

5:25 Mapple valley looks a lot better in update 7, update 9 clouds look washed and burned...

@soupnazi22

5 күн бұрын

Definitely something weird going on there. The brightness of the track doesn't match with the sky at all. On track it looks like an overcast day.

Now this looks insanely beauty. Previously the colors was washed.

Man you can tell the difference ! Jesus at 9:45 !

@Mohashm

9 күн бұрын

I don’t see Jesus there

@Rezamajedi

9 күн бұрын

😂😂​@@Mohashm

@Rezamajedi

9 күн бұрын

It's due to weather condition

@iikatinggangsengii2471

8 күн бұрын

@@Mohashm lol, yeah in fact i only recommend watching in 4k 60 only, its (almost) what i actually saw youtube upload reduce clarity abit

@tehMaloWalo

5 күн бұрын

@@Rezamajediit’s the same in both clips - mostly clear. why would they have two diff weathers in a comparison? use your brain

Its nice to see gradual improvements, I've played from day one and it's visibly better than it was, however still plenty of room for improvements and the developers know this too. Once I've finished warching F1 I'm jumping back on, thanks for the reminder 😂

I love the direction that this is going in, the improvements were definitely needed and that they at least heard things from the feedback and criticism, there's still a lot of things that need to be improved (plastic-like materials/sounds) but this is a huge step to the right direction

Wow. Ok now this is actually gamechanging, now its completely much better. Thats where it lacked compared to GT7, now I think equalize

looks so much better now

Game looks great during evenings & sunsets

@M-hq9xz

9 күн бұрын

Yea I think the lighting especially at evening or night is one of the strongest parts of this game. It is definitely superior to Horizon in that regard

Had to fire up FM. I like it. Tried it on an LG C4 OLED and Hisense U8H mini LED, both are calibrated. The image really pops on my U8H cause of the brightness. But still ways to go until they get the same lighting as in GT7.

better contrast in update 9

I knew the game was looking much nicer but I couldn’t put my finger on it. What a difference, going to be an amazing game in a year or so

Finally Turn 10 learned about contrast.

@freddywayne

9 күн бұрын

It's about time 😆

I love this game,but I want to see the side of the car when turning more. And of course the front tire's even more.

They are getting there, now the games looks a lot closer to the trailer. 4:41, insane what color tweaks can achieve, this looks so much better.

WOWW

So they've finally somewhat taken care of the inconsistent colour grading. At least it doesn't look as washed out as it did before, good work!!! Still a long way to go though, but slowly getting there.

Turn10 discovered colors!

Looks brighter, less hazy, higher contrast, cooler color temp and higher saturation

So basically they dialed up the saturation in the tracks... turns out there is a limit to how life-like people want racing games to be but I must say, update 7 way extremely photorealistic. Update 9 is more of a stylistic choice. Skies are not always that blue and grass is not always that green and for the most part days are very hazy.

@joescivic

9 күн бұрын

This FM, nor any FM ever looked photo realistic. Cars have always looked plastic since FM1. Still do. Environments still look fake and often flat. Road textures look too smooth. Grass looks too smooth. The little bit of 3D grass that is there is hardly noticeable. On top ofball that, in my real world experiences, at least during spring and summer and even in fall, (because it's still hot as hell in the Fall here) the outside world is quite vibrant/colorful. Basically depends on what the developers chose for the time of year. But before update 9, this game looked extremely washed and flat. Super unrealistic in my opinion, and even further away from "photo realistic" that it never achieved.

@bpowick

4 күн бұрын

You’re 100% right. If you want a game world to look more realistic you actually need to desaturate colours. Take a look at Driveclub for example. It still has some of the most realistic lighting and weather effects in any game and it looks that way because it doesn’t over saturate colours. Same with Red Dead Redemption 2. Colours are more muted giving the environments a more natural look.

I knew it, the difference was noticeable

Nice update ❤

good, someone switched to SDR monitors mid development finally!

8:07 huge difference at Laguna Seca. The red of the Corvette looks way more rich and convincing, there's better clouds, a bluer sky, and more contrast in the trees. Night and day difference.

very nice

It looks a little less washed out in the colours

If you look some parts, It can even be confused with Gran Turismo 7.

The sky has talked

Some curbs need more Color, for example in spa francorchamps curbs should be vivid red and yellow Color

Forza is Forza 💘

Game look way better now 🎉

They still need to fix car textures

@andreasmoller9798

8 күн бұрын

They need yo fix so many car models its insane, but they wont be part of any of current forza games.

Great video. Had to watch it a couple of times.

Sprinkle of more contrast and bumped up the saturation by a little 😂

@freddywayne

9 күн бұрын

Basically 🤭

amazing how much better it looks without the rehashed FM7 assets. Maybe just wait and finish the game next time Microsoft

They took the colour away from maple and applied it to spa

I wish they could do something with random game crash on Xbox.

Sky color is better but I feel like the clouds looked better before? Idk maybe it's just the differences in the clips like not exactly the same

It's still desaturated. The grass is closer to grey than it is to the actual color of grass.

begs the question: why they don't do this at launch?

So they just hired a visuals guy to correct their colors, got it

Its nice to see the developers slowly turning this game around but hopefully they take the time to improve the sounds for a lot of the cars as well especially that awful transmission whine sound..

@evanreyes2216

6 күн бұрын

Agreed they need to fix the awful sound when you upgrade the transmission, that's why I don't even upgrade the transmission on my cars

@paintbywolf8789

3 күн бұрын

​@@evanreyes2216It is called straight cut gears and it actually sounds like that 🤣

the cars look a little better sky has a nice blue but the clouds in update 9 look terrible seems like all they did was turn up saturation

Looks better in some cases and difference's bigger on some tracks. But for example Mugello has grass dark af anyway

Have they really started to improve the graphics? Holy shit 😲

They got rid of the milky 🥛 film over the entire screen, awesome!

still, the game is extremelly white. I can't see the yellow sun light appart from the sunset in this game. Plus, heavy rain is really underwhelming.

Enb reshade

After update game is too bright. I can't drive on Laguna seca because all track is too bright after update...

@ISeekMANBEARPIG

3 күн бұрын

Turn down your ingame brightness in the options menu via video

I just see more saturation

Not sure why but I prefer the softer colors of the original

I think the game got noticable improvements to make it look more vivid and better. However in the garage I had the feeling, there is something wrong with the car shadows since the latest update

The lighting and colour look more consistent with the skybox now.

Anyone else have these weird stutters while racing? At over 70 FPS everything should run smoothly... But it's still a good game.

It geels like a color correction to the materials

Absolutely gorgeous 😍 just needs better sound now

Looking good, i'm still debating if i should get it because i really wanna like this game. Are you gonna make a video going into more detail for the nordschleife changes? specifically the changed curbing and stuff?

@M-hq9xz

9 күн бұрын

Just get Gamepass for a month and try it

Now looks more GT7 alike. Which is nice.

Look like wider dynamic range

Am i the only one that seeing that maple valley is worse 😅...the sun coming though the tree seems to have disappear

モデリングが良ければGT7越えそうなくらいグラフィックは向上したな

Thank you Motogames for that big comparison - maybe new comparison with GT7 😏

Oh they finally made it to the polishing in game development....😂😂😂😂

Han tenido que pasar una burrada de meses para esta mejora,lo agradecemos, pero es que el juego nunca tuvo que haber sido lanzado como lo hicieron. Estaba totalmente roto, y con un modo historia sin vida.

I wonder if looks that good on Series X

@MotoGamesTV

4 күн бұрын

Literally first 14 minutes of this video

@Lordicus21

4 күн бұрын

@@MotoGamesTV hahah sorry, I totally ignored the line that describes playing on Xbox, reading only the Pc Specs

All I want from this game is for them to update the car models. Is that too much to ask?

@ld9387

9 күн бұрын

That's probably gonna take longer to do

@kedwyd6535

9 күн бұрын

@@ld9387 tbf if the game was truly "bUiLt fRoM tHe gRoUnD Up" then we wouldn't have these sorts of expectations

@andreasmoller9798

9 күн бұрын

They wont do it for any of the current forza. You would have to wait for the next forza titles

@joescivic

9 күн бұрын

Let me put my car as an example. The 2017 Honda Civic Type R. Or 2018 for this game. Every exterior piece that is black and glossy in real life, from the front grille, eye lids, front bumper garnishes, side pillars between the windows, rear bumper garnishes, spoiler, and lower deck of the spoiler...for some odd reason, T10 devs decided to make a brownish color. If you zoom in on it, it looks like a cement texture. It should be pitch black and glossy. The front lip, side skirts, and rear lip all have a red pin stripe in real life. In Forza Motorsport, the side skirt has a white pin stripe on both sides of the car. That white also goes into the front wheel wells. Also, the whole front and rear lip and side skirts is just a pitch black plastic in real life, that has this weave texture made onto it. It's also rough to the touch. In Forza Motorsport, they made it actual carbon fiber with a smooth clear coat. The fender side markers are a brighter orange in real life. In FM, they're brownish orange. Same withbthe rear bumper reflectors. They should be a brighter red in real life. In FM, they're a dark brownish red. Hardly noticeable in the game. Since we have the option to look inside, we'll the back of the front seats aren't supposed to be some clear coated carbon fiber either. Neither should the engine cover. There's very visible weather stripping along the front of the hood over the headlights, all the way over to the other headlight. It's non existent in FM, yet GT7 didnit wonderfully. Most of this stuff I put in my community posts

@joescivic

9 күн бұрын

Oh and not to forget, the overly chromed out muffler tips that also look plastic. GT7 nailed it though. Almost all cars have some wierd issue with anything silver and metal looking like chrome plastic, but GT7 does so well at making them look the part...

To na Commodore?

Did turn 10 finally get their monitors calibrated by an expert?

I don't like the result of this update on the sky because the blue of the sky is too dark and the clouds looks like they are burned.

@MrWhite_Racing

4 күн бұрын

Who cares about the sky in a racing game anyway? 😂

Doesn't look much different. The biggest difference is the colour grade shift in art style, which I really like, I was never a big fan of the original washed out look. The clouds to me look less real. Before the clouds looked like a proper rendered thing, now it just looks like a fake sky box you'd see in an early ridge racer or something. Don't really like those. Other than that there's no difference

The game still is extremely blurry on me with 100% resolution scale.

how about reworked car models??!?!

@andreasmoller9798

8 күн бұрын

Not until next forza game most likely.

Gerting pretty close to be a game worth 50$

Crispy!!

everything looks better besides mape valley and finally this "hazel" filter is gone

Drifting?

OMG time to really reinstall this game

They finally took the brown away

They neeeed to sort out the massive understeer issue in every single car.

@PLAYER_42069

9 күн бұрын

People don't think this is a real problem, but it is. I play GT7, and have no problem getting the cars around corners at high spped vs. FM where I have to slow way down to get the cars to rotate. You can even see it in this video: MotoGamesTV has to overcorrect to hit the corner curbs because they can't drive the cars at the limit (on the outside) like in a real racing game. Everybody raves about the physics being the best ever, but that's because it's mostly kids who play in third person. The understeer problem is even more pronounced in cockpit view.

@Williejonez

9 күн бұрын

@@PLAYER_42069 this game made me go buy a playstation and GT7. I've compared lap times in same cars / same track and the time differences are comical. The understeering in Motorsport absolutely ruins the game. Some cars even feel like they're on ice the way you have to drive them. I thought I'd never say it but GT7 SMOKES Motorsport clean out the water.

@Williejonez

9 күн бұрын

@@PLAYER_42069 I keep saying, Forza Motorsport was the best advert ever for playstation and gran turismo. I'm only a casual too bro, I'm not a hardcore SIM racer but I enjoy trying to perfect my lap times, Forza is just pointless even trying. Add me if you ever want to have a mess around bro. Skan0121 👍🏻👍🏻

Now looks like we are driving real hotweels! GeGe

They did improve tonemapping a bit, little more contrast/color saturation.. but still.. bright saturated car paints often just clip and detail missed.. yellow, red etc. color just are that, clipped. Another long going gfx issue is that vinys and paint glossiness never match.. perhaps that is reality but in game just bad..

15:04 what's with the red trails? I've noticed some kind of trailing in every racing game, can someone explain the cause of that?

@1zboro1

9 күн бұрын

It's ghosting due to Anti-Aliasing or Resolution Upscaling

@deathtrooper2048

9 күн бұрын

I've never seen it that bad on Forza though ​@1zboro1

@theColeHardTruth

9 күн бұрын

It's Temporal Anti-Aliasing (TAA). It's a low computational cost form of anti-aliasing that tries to smooth hard edges by using data from previous frames and the current frame to extrapolate the next frame and smooth it. It can be very effective, but struggles a lot in racing games and games where the camera is attached to a very fast-moving object (you'll notice as the car's speed increases the ghosting also increases). Forza's implementation has always been pretty lazy and imprecise, (probably to maximize performance over visual fidelity) but in this entry for some reason it's particularly egregious. It's also pretty bad in ACC for similar reasons.

feels like a grey filter was turned off 😂😂

@freddywayne

9 күн бұрын

Finally 😀

i guess "built from the ground up" means they released a raw game and then started building the game on various numbers of updates

@andreasmoller9798

7 күн бұрын

Not exactly because the current forza game will not get the new reacanned car models, so the potential is already blown

Has there been any adjustments made to the HDR presentation as well?

Best Forza Rain effects evermade was Forza 6.

They still don´t get draw distance of the fence shadows on the tarmac in watkins glen fixed, that really annoys me.

I didn't like the new clouds...they look too artificial. I like the new color grading and atmospheric scattering tho