Forward-Swept Wing Aircraft
An overview of some Forward-Swept Wing Aircraft.
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The rule of cool ALWAYS applies.
@conneranderson219
10 ай бұрын
“Look good, feel good, play good they pay good”
@andrewreynolds912
10 ай бұрын
Yes
@michaelandreipalon359
10 ай бұрын
Unless said craft is used in a harshly deconstructive work, especially one that exceeds even the likes of Evangelion and Madoka Magica.
@robbieaulia6462
10 ай бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359Even Evangelion eventually caved in on the rule of cool man, just watch the rebuild movies and you can tell the rule of cool applies.
@cubfan0062
10 ай бұрын
Damn straight!
The X-29's head test pilot has stated that the advantages of the forward-swept wings are now possible with more conventional looking designs that do not suffer from the tendency of the X-29 and Berkut etc to want to the de-wing themselves mid flight. He also stated that, even with the computers, the X-29's flight envelope had to be kept pretty modest to prevent the no-wing scenario.
@FirstDagger
10 ай бұрын
If you look at how the flight computers move the F-35's surfaces his statements are clearly underscored.
@Rubia376
10 ай бұрын
what do you mean? @@FirstDagger
@dalelumina3
10 ай бұрын
a plane with 2d tvc like the f22 can far easier achieve what the x29 can do, can it not?
@VerdeMorte
10 ай бұрын
The real thing preventing us is they haven't created a method yet to prevent pilot blood flow loss in extreme movements like a FSW aircraft can perform. At this point willing amputation of the legs or cybernetics seem like the only path forward to making pilots capable of flying them.
@FirstDagger
10 ай бұрын
@@VerdeMorte; With BVR, Stealth, 360° thermals, and thrust vectoring 360° missiles dog-fighting capability matters less and less.
The x-29 and the SU-47 were such a huge part of my childhood growing up. I had mini models of both planes and freaking loved them. Those two designs consumed my imagination when playing with planes. Crazy to realize all these years later that they were never actually anything more than test planes and only one or two were ever actually produced.
@gameseeker6307
10 ай бұрын
Reasons to become an aerospace engineer: 1
@NeoIsrafil
9 ай бұрын
same, I had the x29 diecast one and it was my favorite plane for a lóng time!! I played with that toy for years. That and the diecast harrier jump jet I had and plastic f14 tomcat are why I started to learn engineering.
Fun fact, Macross Plus's story featured a competition between two planes, the YF-19 and the YF-21. This competition was inspired by the real life competition between the YF-22 and the YF-23.
@Menaceblue3
10 ай бұрын
And now in 2023 we have virtual AI social media influencers.... The u.s. government is saying aliens are real.... Im ready door the space force to announce their new veritech fighter aircraft the VF-1
@Rek1emMScar
10 ай бұрын
There where also Drone jet prototype going rogue because a Idol AI trying to kill everyone... Also in latter Macross entry's these drones become slave to "mother jet". Something like every is trying to archive with 6generations jets.
@AshrakAhmed
10 ай бұрын
Also fun fact Macross Plus had a singing AI which hallucinates it's relationship with it's creators and goes rogue, takes over the flight system of the AI controlled fighter jet drone (which was designed to replace human pilots)! The signing AI kinda inspired Hatsune Miku and we already have drones and our AI do hallucinate! How far are we from that hijacked AI controlled drone?
@GhostRyderFPV
9 ай бұрын
Sharon Apple approves of this message. *_dekalucha_*
@hmuvee
9 ай бұрын
@@AshrakAhmedyou make a valid terrifying point
Forward-swept wing designs are seen quite often throughout Ace Combat as well, starting with Ace Combat 2's ADF-01 Falken. Other such planes include the ADFX-01 and 02 Morgan, X-02 Wyvern, ASF-X Shinden II, ADFX-10, and ADF-11. Fun fact: The ASF-X Shinden II was designed by Shoji Kawamori, the creator of the Macross franchise.
@tybirous3417
10 ай бұрын
Jeez, Shoji is everywhere, yeah? He worked on battletech as well, and I read that he worked with artists for early armored core stuff to boot. How much of my childhood do I owe this fella?
@raiyaankazi
10 ай бұрын
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@fun_police8011
9 ай бұрын
ADFX-01 Morgan my beloved.
@h5skb4ru41
8 ай бұрын
Shinden II looks very possible to build IRL, but it would ve bad considering the external missiles
Macross Plus is a OVA that every aviation enthusiast must see, the YF-19 and YF-21 are ones of the most cooler fictional designs.
@m3tactical393
10 ай бұрын
The Shinsei Industries YF-19 wins project super nova and enters production appearing in Macross 7 as the VF-19 Excalibur being piloted by Nekki Basara while General Galaxy abandoned the YF-21 program but later revived it as the VF-22 Stürmvogel II which is basically the same aircraft with enhancements, modifications and the removal of the Brainwave Control System (BDS). The VF-22 also made it's first appearance in Macross 7 being piloted by Maximillian Jenius.
@soundwave5886
10 ай бұрын
I’m still surprised that there’s no mentions about ace combat’s fiction names such as the ADFX 0-2 Morgen or the X 0-2 Wyvern
@gustiwidyanta5492
10 ай бұрын
@@soundwave5886probably because they are pretty popular. The Wyvern's folding forward swept wings must be a engineering nightmare..
@nickandres7829
9 ай бұрын
Plus is the quintessential Macross: everything good about the series in a small, contained package.
@silverfang1648
2 ай бұрын
@@m3tactical393 You forgot to mention they're roles The VF-19 was the new main Variable Fighter of the UN Spacy while the VF-22S was chosen as a fighter for Special Operations!
1:12 Ok I have to admit this is one of the cutest aircraft I've ever seen.
@yoshilovesyoshi
10 ай бұрын
I was gonna say the same thing 😂
@robertoroberto9798
10 ай бұрын
Wait until you see the Yak-130.
@ThommyofThenn
10 ай бұрын
And it has that hot red paint job!
You missed one other drawback: forward sweep limits the maximum Mach achievable before the wingtips touch the shockwaves coming from the aircraft nose.
@egoalter1276
8 ай бұрын
Where you see issues of shockwave drag, an ambitious engineer sees an opportunity for vortex lift. The real problem with forward swept wings is that they are gigantic forward retroflectors for radar, making them unusable in the current low observability paradigm.
imagine forward swept flying wing, combine two unstable design together for maximize instability/maneuverability
@anchorread68
10 ай бұрын
spin it and it became boomerang
"..not too much of a drag." Nicely done.
It's a freaking bad ass design
Funny thing about the Grumman X-29: it was utilized during the last arc of the Area 88 Manga, which sadly never made it stateside (nor was it ever translated to English). It was flown by the main character Shin Kazama, though I believe he ended up using his older F-20A Tigershark during the final battle (as well as during the duel with his friend-turned-nemesis Satouro Kanzaki).
@michaelandreipalon359
10 ай бұрын
I still think the OVAs did a far better if more grimmer tale than the manga and the anime.
@Tigershark_3082
10 ай бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359I agree on some parts. The Manga actually had more room to really introduce a larger cast, as well as making the story a bit more dramatic. The TV series had some decent elements as well.
@Aereto
10 ай бұрын
It is pretty interesting how a military outfit gets their hands on an early production model
@sonwig5186
10 ай бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359 Yeah I was really dissapointed by the new anime
@commandervile394
10 ай бұрын
Yeah same, I thought the animation/art style was too bland and stiff, unlike the OVA version which was beautifully drawn and animated with detail. @@sonwig5186
When I was a kid, I thought that my plane toy with an inverted wing was a factory defect... Only when I grew older that I learned that it was made intentionally...
X-29 and X-02 Wyvern from Ace Combat should be in this list too 😏
@derekthechangeling5118
10 ай бұрын
Don't forget the adfx-01 Morgan or adf-1 falken.
@raughael6425
10 ай бұрын
And the ASF-X Shinden II too
@cheesyfromindonesia9969
10 ай бұрын
Gault was a fun enemy to be up againts ngl
@mr.crazyshadow
10 ай бұрын
Lets just say Ace Combat has to many of them
@derekthechangeling5118
10 ай бұрын
@@mr.crazyshadow oh but my friend, greater belka can never have to many forward swept gods.
The anime Yukikaze uses a lot of forward swept designs, I remember reading somewhere that they leant into the rule of cool to the point of deliberately making in aerodynamic aircraft because they looked cooler
@Sion_Revan
10 ай бұрын
The FRX-00/ FFR-41MR
@varnix1006
10 ай бұрын
The Mave is one of the most ridiculous Foward Swept wing design next to Ace Combat's X-02 Wyvern. Literally throwing physics away for the rule of cool.
@sebastiannelson6355
10 ай бұрын
@@varnix1006The Maves wings technically aren't even limited to Forward sweep. They can turn and sweep back during high Mach flight. Its hella cool
@shira_yone
9 ай бұрын
Fun fact: in the novels, both the Super Sylph and Mave designs are far more grounded in reality, with Super Sylph practically designed like an F-15; and while the Mave is still a fantastical original design, it isn't as crazy as the OVA version (it doesn't have forward swept wings). I like both versions equally.
That last jet in ace combat 4 will always have a place in my heart. Forward swept wings are dope.
@TornaitSuperBird
8 ай бұрын
The X-02 Wyvern was so awesome they gave it an upgrade in the newest Ace Combat game.
Macross Plus is one of the greatest animes ever made. the Soundtrack is a banger too :) (courtesy of Yoko Kano)
This is weird - I dreamt about this last night. 1983 ish Science Now magazine in the UK ran an article about forward swept wing aircraft, although I think that it also mentioned the wings being of variable geometry, a bit like a Tornado or F14 in reverse. As a school woodwork project I tried to build a variable geometry forward swept wing aircraft betting some friends 20p each that I could do it. Anyway I made a pigs breakfast of it and it cost me 80p. By September 1984 I'd dropped woodwork in favour of engineering drawing, which at least means that I can decipher flat pack furniture instructions. Everything that I made in woodwork was good for one thing - burning.
To this day the YF-19 is still my favorite aircraft/space fighter in fiction.
Don't forget the X-30 Conquest from the 1980s GI JOE toy-line, it too has Forward swept wings.
@TallDude73
10 ай бұрын
First one I thought of as well. Yo Joe?!? ;)
@WookieeMonster1
10 ай бұрын
As soon as I saw the subject, the Conquest is what popped into my head. Still have my X-30 from when I was a kid.
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
10 ай бұрын
The Cobra Rattler had a variable wing that gave it VTOL capabilities, that's the one I really miss from my childhood... I'm going to buy an old beat up Rattler online and put it back together and paint it an Arctic camouflage scheme as CAS for my Snow Serpents.
@shoked99
10 ай бұрын
Same here. Although I liked the Skystriker more, the X-30 was cool.
Neat video as always. In the 90s you'd definitely have thought this was the future but we went a completely different route.
1:15 The SR-10 is what happens when you take the fuselage of a F/A-18 and put dinky forward swept wings on it instead
@heathb4319
10 ай бұрын
Exactly what i thought when i saw it as well.
The fact that clips from a Macross series was used makes me happy.
That's cool. Didn't realize how close the design between Excalibur w/ Berkut. But my most fav forward swept wing would be F/A37 Talon.
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The Macross footage was a nice touch, appreciated. I have seen a few other videos on forward swept wings, and yours is the only one I've seen to end on the note "They work". I liked that, it made me think about possible applications for forward swept wing aircraft outside of the military.
In the Macross Delta, the mass produce VF-Siegfried had forward-swept and even still can be folded and attached by SV-Draken's drone in Macross Delta newest movie.
Great topic, thanks. Love the out-tro as usual
A video about forward-swept wings and no mention of Thunderbird 2?! Inconceivable! :)
@eamonnclabby7067
10 ай бұрын
Gerry and sylvia Anderson, were decades ahead of their time....unless they chatted a lot to BAE Systems...?...😅😅😅😅...
@StrikeNoir105E
10 ай бұрын
Honestly the Thunderbird 2 going by its design flies more on pure thrust rather than its wing.
Thank you for including clips from Macross, such an overshadowed mecha show.
@michaelandreipalon359
10 ай бұрын
The less Robotech, the better.
@jacksonbowns1087
10 ай бұрын
It's mostly overshadowed thanks to legal reasons from... Harmony Gold.
@KenMochii
10 ай бұрын
@@michaelandreipalon359 Glad I didn't grew up in NA, only heard about Robotech when Macross Frontier was still pretty new.
@michaelandreipalon359
10 ай бұрын
@@KenMochii Truly that is envious.
@oldcowbb
10 ай бұрын
wouldn't say overshadowed, it's the second most popular mecha show, maybe not in the west because of the whole robotech nonsense
I had the GI Joe toy version of this plane as a kid in 1987.
@warpartyattheoutpost4987
10 ай бұрын
X-30 Conquest.
@rolfagten857
10 ай бұрын
Yes, nice toys.@@warpartyattheoutpost4987
@basedsketch4133
10 ай бұрын
Same and had that sick red and black snakeskin paint job
Tossing a vote on the Marine cobra/viper
someone remember the 7 x02 whyvern from ace combat, it had forward swept wings, that fold into delta wings when the aircraft flys over a certain speed, I really liked it and I wonder if it would be practical in any way
@shira_yone
9 ай бұрын
Not in the way the X-02 Wyvern does it for sure. Maybe if it folds vertically like the VF-31 Siegfried from Macross Delta, it might be feasible.
Excellent video and so concise. I wish more KZread videos were like this.
God I fucking love reverse swept wings. watching Macross Plus many moons back made me realize I fucking love planes (and fighting robots, but mostly the YF-19)
Marcoss Was my Favourite Anime , Thanks for including it !
Video was highly enjoyed! Thank you!
Great video. Concise and informative.
my husband talks of the X-29 being shown off at Hickam Air Force base Hawaii in 1989 at an Airshow. Father-in-law was part of the Audio/visual unit 548 RTG and has pictures of my husband as a little in from of the X-29 it’s so cool to see so many pictures of jets from when my husband’s family lived on AIr Force Bases
Anyone reading this, do yourself a favour and go watch Macross Plus. Not only because it is great, but in the english dub Bryan Cranston plays one of the main characters
x-29 and SU-47 were a big part of my childhood growing up
Thanks for making this!
Wow, thank you so much for this, man!
Thanks for the vid, Johnny! 👍
"Yo buddy, still alive?" *Spanish guitar kicks in* "Have you found a reason to fight yet?".
It was not a drag but a an uplifting video.
Another appearence of a forward-swept wing design in media was in Genocyber, from 1994. In part 3, a test flight is conducted with a fictional F-30 fighter aircraft. Its design consists of cunnards at the front, forward-swept wings, 2 forward-swept vertical stabilizers and absent horizontal stabilizers. It's quite a bad anime in my opinion in many ways, but I do find this aircraft design quite interesting.
The YF-19 is my favorite from Macross Plus
Dude your explanation are on point.
Appreciate the Macross Plus Shoutout
everytime i see footage of Stealth i am reminded that i need to rewatch that movie lol Thanks.
Great as always
You always find an interesting topic to talk about
Anyone else want to see an X-29 with the Su-27's thrust vectoring? One can dream....
@B-A-L
10 ай бұрын
Why not just take the thrust vectoring from the X-31 instead?
@endutubecensorship
10 ай бұрын
@@B-A-L I'm not an aeronautical engineer but I think having a whole nozzle that directs exhaust vs the X31's "pads" is a better system. Seeing Su-27's do backflips and handbrake turns(lack of a better term) is pretty impressive. Thoughts?
@shira_yone
9 ай бұрын
@@endutubecensorship the paddles of X-31 and the USB nozzles of F-15 S/MTD are cooler imo.
I got a big grin from how the bit talking about reduced drag being laid over images of a YF-19 *in space*. :D
I own Macross Plus on DVD, and loved both Isamu's, and Guld's wings, I also own two of it's soundtracks. I first watched it on Teletoon. Take care, and all the best.
Always loved the design, it looks so aggressive. Didn't think about the wings being subjected to twisting forces before but that makes a lot of sense. I've heard it's bad if your wings break off midflight but haven't tested it myself.
As a really big Macross fan I had giant *neuron activation* the moment I saw that thumbnail. More people should watch the Macross franchise.
This was very interesting Johnny
Truly a controversial fighter craft design concept, alongside tiltrotors and how helicopters should eject. Gods, that X-Men: TAS footage looks as nice as its Evolution successor. My copies seem to still have the grainy effects. (Edit: Ah, nevermind. The footage is actually from Spider-Man: TAS, which admittedly looks as good as The Spectacular Spider-Man in these modern releases, stock footage abuse aside.)
GI Joe had also this king of plane called XR-30.
One of my most favorite Forward-Swept wing aircraft is the X-02S Wyvern from Ace Combat 7
I still love macross plus
If you want to get REALLY technical, the Nakajima Ki-43 "Oscar" had forward-swept wings (if very slightly, and not really noticeable unless you have a keen eye), and it did serve during the Second World War.
@oddballsok
10 ай бұрын
slightly ?? measured in mm only..sjeesh.
@Vanadium
10 ай бұрын
@@oddballsok Planes are measured in mm , duh
Nice pun at the end there 😂
You knew Macross, awesome :D
Super interesting content!!
The Su-47 is one of my favorite planes
Belka "Write that down!!! write that down!!!! "
Those planes look so good.
You sir had me at the SU 47 and YF 19 thumbnail
Your video was no drag at all. In fact, it was quite uplifting. 😅 Can't thank you enough for elevating my spirits.
@JohnnyJohnsonEsq
10 ай бұрын
haha thanks man appreciate it =)
Didnt expect macross to show up in a thumbnail Also i noticed the sr-10 looks like an F-18 with smaller reversed wing
@reijiropaws6593
10 ай бұрын
Macross series deserves more attention
Ki43, Hansa Jet and V22 Osprey are the three most produced and successful forward swept wing aircrafts.
@Tigershark_3082
8 ай бұрын
The V-22 and Ki-43 are not swept-wing, but straight-wing. with either high aspect ratios or tapered trailing edges.
Macross gives me so much nostalgia
Very good video for how short it is. Lots of information crammed into a 5:10 video
Watching this makes me want to go through Macross Plus again 😂
Makes sense why they didn't continue to develop this technology all that much. Sure if we were to build something like that today the maneuverability would be insane at low speeds, but being slow in any kind of fighter is often a death sentence. Superior speed and conservation of speed are quite a bit more important than super maneuverability.
@Patrickf5087
8 ай бұрын
No... no it wouldn't, thr plane constantly wants to flip backwards in a more natural aerodynamic state. There is ZERO advantage to having reverse wing design, its unstable to the point it REQUIRES computer control to prevent the plane from flipping around and traveling backwards. It was a proof of concept that the computers where good enough to keep thebplane from flipping around
@notisac3149
8 ай бұрын
@@Patrickf5087 But it IS more maneuverable than most jets at low speeds, and would be even better with modern computer technology due to the inherent instability. Other than that, yeah there are pretty much no advantages but what’s your point? Did you read my comment?
@Patrickf5087
8 ай бұрын
@@notisac3149 yes I did read it, abd I'm calling out your BS Having better computer won't help it, it would require shaping the wings and changing alot m9re physics. Not ti mention that it is a fuel hog tge wings produce an ungodly amount of drag. And yes, the military needs to worry about fuel usage. The designers literally made the aircraft "to see if it can be done" The disadvantages outweigh by a large margin. No amount of CPU power will help it
@notisac3149
8 ай бұрын
@@Patrickf5087 Did I EVER say the advantages would outweigh the disadvantages? nope. Though it is to my understanding that the design of the SU-47 can make calculations a certain amount of times per second, how would increasing the number of corrections per second with better computers and sensors not increase performance even slightly? To add to it, we now have stronger materials to work with, one big factor was a great amount of stress on the airframe, thus forcing lower speeds. Having a stronger frame means it can take more stress. How would a higher top speed not improve performance? We also have better, more efficient engines, with a better power to weight ratio as well as better fuel efficiency ratings, I ask again, how would that not increase performance? There is also the possibility of adding thrust vectoring which would increase low speed maneuvers. If they don’t add too much weight, wouldn’t it have better low speed maneuverability? How is simple logic BS at all? Again I never claimed it was a great idea to begin with, just that it could be even more maneuverable at low speeds with modern technology. I never said that we should have continued to develop it because the design simply doesn’t make sense for a jet fighter. What is your point then? I NEVER even mentioned that it would be better than modern fighter designs but you’re replying to me as if I said the opposite.
I remember back in the 90’s as a kid, I saw something with forward swept wings and this giant thing on top back when my family lived in Belka
@shatara42
10 ай бұрын
did you hear sapish guitars as it passed?
Whenever I see a jet with foward swept wings, the voices in my head scream "WHAT HAVE B O R D E R S GIVEN US?"
It's too bad because i like those design ! they are so cool !
I kinda wished you also included the anime Yukikaze as an example.
YF-19 Excalibur I would love to see someone put the YF-19 and YF-21 in a wind tunnel and see how good/awful they actually are for sci-fi aircraft
Johnny, this video was not a drag at all. I actually got a good lift out of it! ;-)
Really cool
In our Axis&Allies house rules with enough Jet Engines and Aeronautics Tech development ze German player can produce the Ju 287 medium bomber and a forward swept wing tactical bomber version of the He 162. The game pieces for them look really cool but I need to paint them.
One thing that's important to note is that the lift advantage of canard configurations isn't really a priority in unstable aircraft, and especially in ones with a forward sweep or generally meant for high performance. This is primarily because to maintain an angle of attack where the wings are providing lift in level flight, the canards are still producing a downward force to balance out the tendency to want to summersault backwards. Induced drag reduction should also generally not be the focus when taking advantage of instability to be more maneuverable and responsive, as even in level flight the use of surfaces to keep the design stable undoes any advantage you would acquire when implementing drag reducing features.
Definitely started getting some Macross plus vibes when they are talking about UAV wingman alongside a F-35.
Thank you
Cool intro 😎 Combine real and fiction.
Would be great to see a vid which explains why these don't work for stealth!
I see the YF-19 from Macross plus I click. Wish more Macross was talk about with the VF designs 😭
The G's weren't too bad, we'll recover. See ya next time Johnny.
God, Macross Plus was amaze-balls
Sexiest forward swept plane in sci-fi is the FRX-00 YUKIKAZE
M7* has a very simple but good explanation on how this worked.
Come for the dad jokes at the end, and leave surprised you actually learned something interesting about Aerodynamics. 🤣
This is a good video.
No forward facing wings but the 'Fireflash' passenger jet is worthy of mention.
Love the use of ma cross in this.😂😍😁