Great seeing a fuse 1 in the wild! SLS is such an amazing and terrible process with the waste powder and non uniform part shrinkage but you can't argue with the part quality and... No supports needed! 😍

@ameliabuns4058

2 жыл бұрын

I'm a bit confused. Why couldn't you just re feed the vacvumed powder back into the machine?

@kochammody6268

2 жыл бұрын

@@ameliabuns4058 You can. Formlabs has some machnies that mixes new and used powder to recover used powder.

@tiffanysandmeier4753

2 жыл бұрын

The problem is that the powder is heated to just under the fuse temperature. So you can only put the same powder into the machine a couple times, otherwise the powder starts to clump and the print isn't as crisp. That is also why most of the time when you see SLS printing they fill the volume nearly to the max.

@gongarcia4071

2 жыл бұрын

@@tiffanysandmeier4753 quick question. you say the print is not as crisp if its "too used"... but is it to the unprintable point or just uncrisp but printable? I couldn't care too much if my prints are not as crisp as long as they still have a good mechanical and dimensional level

@tiffanysandmeier4753

2 жыл бұрын

@@gongarcia4071 that I don't know. I don't have personal experience, I just did research on the different types, pros and cons, stuff like that. But the quality of parts with first time used powder is better than a mix of new and used powder.

We bought one of these for work. And it gets used almost daily. A couple things: 1) it needs extremely clean power. A power conditioner should probably be purchased if you're getting a lot of failed prints. 2) it doesn't have SLA level resolution. But it is better than FDM.

@harastha

2 жыл бұрын

By "Power" do you mean powder by any chance?

@conrad2468

2 жыл бұрын

@@harastha no I mean power. Lol

@Defender3d

2 жыл бұрын

Do you have it on a dedicated circuit? I know that is very important for these.

@conrad2468

2 жыл бұрын

@@Defender3d Yes-Ish. I had the Sift on the same circuit but it was never in use when I was printing. I had about a 50% failure rate before using a power conditioner, now I have a 100% success rate.

@Defender3d

2 жыл бұрын

@@conrad2468 okay, good to know. For the print times, you don't want many failures when sintered powder is costing you £100 a kilo! 🤣

Joel! If you are ever in London I’d love to show you around our facility. We have 13 Eos SLS machines and 2 HP MJF machines. I can teach you loads about SLS and MJF. I Nest and Print close to 10 000 parts a day and i can say your orientation made me cry a little!

@smokin1974

2 жыл бұрын

Say hi to Nick and Olly for me ...it's been a while since I've been and serviced your machines !

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

OMG YES. Believe me when I make it over to the UK you will be getting a call.

Joel, you can't leave us hanging! How is the dimensional accuracy on the Benchy?

When I worked at a factory over 20 years ago they had an SLS printer for prototyping and the day they showed me it I just watched it work for a few minutes and went back to my desk like 🤩😮 “I live in the future”

Nice to show the complete ecosystem from Formlabs. There is much more to SLS printing that just melting the powder. For all of those asking questions about re-using the powder: The build chamber is kept at a high temperature so the laser just needs enough power to add that extra energy to melt the plastic. This also prevents warping. When the plastic is heated for longer times, it starts degrading and in the end it becomes unusable - this is also why plastics can only be recycled a number of times before degrading into a lesser type of plastic. After recovering all the unused powder, it gets through a number of sieves so that only the very fine powder is removed. When filling up the cartridge for the printer, new powder is mixed with reclaimed powder in a certain ratio (30-70% of new powder is added, depending on the manufacturer). Also note the powder used in this printer is grey instead of the natural white color. The grey powder absorbs more energy from the laser so less laser power is needed to print at a certain speed.

This is why I'm waiting for affordable SLS printers :) Stacking parts, using entire buildvolume without having to think about supports :D

@joearchuleta7538

2 жыл бұрын

Do you mean a Chinese clone or ?

@ameliabuns4058

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like we're close to getting some in 3-5 years. If it wasn't for the pandemic I'd say sooner. This is a dumb guess tho xD

@liamsmith8518

2 жыл бұрын

@@joearchuleta7538 it doesn't have to be Chinese to be affordable

@edenassos

2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think it's not already affordable?

@Rulody

Жыл бұрын

@@edenassos FDM’s went from 6 figures to 3 figures SLA’s went from 5 figures to 3 figures as well SLS atm is still at 5 figures but slowly there’s SLS’s that are in the 4 figure range so we are almost there to affordable SLS 3D printers eventually a size of a fdm printer

We've just ordered these. Very excited, to make the next move!

@mortenchristensrn2487

2 жыл бұрын

Just subbed your channel 👍 just to see what you might upload using this technique...

This tech is how I started in 3d printing. Using a Z Corp 310 Plus(binder jet machine), I bought back in 2005, no it isn't SLA resolution. But it was superior to other printers of the day. It did have less equipment, just a printer and de-powder station. It used HP printheads, which got harder to find by the end. Temperature was no big deal and parts didn't shrink. I used CA(known as superglue) to make parts stronger. Even after 16 years I still have raw parts that came from the printer.

Such a missed opportunity to print a raptor claw... XD

@TommiHonkonen

2 жыл бұрын

Why would you print a claw when the resonating chamber would be canon?

Awesome video. Thanks!

Love SLS Printing, thanks for showing off the Fuse 1! As someone interested in the Fuse 1, this is a great little intro video! I have tons of experience on the sandstone printers where it really is like you are an archeologist or paleontologist! Powder printers are fun, but boy can they be a mess!

Really cool to see. Had the opportunity to go to the HP print lab in Atlanta, GA and their version of this machine is amazing and amazingly expensive.

@kharmastreams8319

2 жыл бұрын

The hp mjf fuses the entire layer at the same time though, so it's a lot faster too 🙂

this looks so fun

Finally to see you to checked this monster machine!

Before I purchased my first 3D printer, I had a case for a Commodore 64 peripheral SLS printed. Came out so nice. Yeah, I still use Commodore 64's :P

Loved this! Those prints definitely look manufactured 😱

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It’s really amazing to see in person!

Yeah my dream printer setup for when I win the lottery.🥴 On a serious note. If your are the type of person looking to start a business with 3D Printing then SLS in my opinion is the best and most appropriate type of 3D Printer to use. The all around specs of that type is just better for manufacturing. You can just do way more with better detail and functionality with them than all the other types of 3D Printing. So if I was going to try and start a business using 3F Printer I'd definitely look for a way to get a SLS 3DPrinter or make it one of my main goals to do so.

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

Honestly, if you win the lottery, hire a team to contract out your prints hahaha

@VectorRoll

2 жыл бұрын

@@3DPrintingNerd @Javi Pena But where is the fun in that?🥴 Seriously though. If your into 3D Printing and want to make a business around it plus somehow have the money to get a great printer, why not do so? I can see contracting out if just have a good idea & are more interested in saving money and time to get it out rather than enjoying the process of making the product yourself. Then sure, contract it out. But if your into 3D Printing and have the ability to get a great machine to make the product yourself then do so. That's just my opinion. 😉

It's definitely nice that the unused material can be recollected and used in future projects, but I can't help but wonder how you deal with failed prints 🤔

I had an opportunity to see a machine similar to this at a CAD user group conference back in early 2000’s. At $30k sure wasn’t a hobbyist machine. They had a made a functional bearing and a small model of the capital.

Hey Joel big fan.... I would love to see a video where you showcase your top 20 things you've printed and finished over the years. I recently made a similar video but you've been doing this for so long I would LOVE to see.

So what you should know is that a SLS is good for mass production and not for single part designs. Use the full build area with as many parts as you can else you throw away powder (money). Yes you can recycle it, but not forever. Over time the powder will become flufy and lose it strength. Parts don't have a fully smooth surface, it is sintered so the powder isn't fully molten. it will attract moister from the air and grease from touching it. TIP: The print area of 165x165x320 can't be used fully. The outher edge can't have parts due do the material strength. Flat parts are stronger when they are printed in a 30 a 45 degree angle simulair by SLA. Part from slow printing- warm up and cooldown time it creates nice quality products. XD @Maker's Muse "amazing and terrible process" , totally agree.

Nice system. We need AI cleanup robots to do the sifting and sand blasting! Some wheels on the bottom of the build chamber would be a good addition so you don't have to carry it to the sifting station. p.s. Archeology is digging for human cultural remains. Paleontology is digging for animal or plant fossils. Archeologists don't dig for dinosaur fossils.

@shubinternet

2 жыл бұрын

Some machines of this type do have a cart that you wheel around as the build volume. But I think those are more expensive machines with larger volumes. But in this case, you could certainly have a separate cart that you put the build volume on, so that you could easily wheel it around.

@erikcederb

2 жыл бұрын

There are automated systems for doing this industrially, but they cost in the hundreds of thousands, so you aren't getting one of those for a small SLS printer like this.

@antprintdesignprint5003

2 жыл бұрын

I learned something new today

I so need one of these ....or maybe 10 :D

I almost took a loan out to pre-order one of these bad boys a few years back now. Very cool, but kind of glad I didn't. Maybe someday I'll dive into SLS.

@evanlane1690

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah good choice. It's taken forever to get this to market.

Hey I have an adventurer 3 lite and for some reason I can't get prints to stick with gluestick. I want to stop wasting filament on rafts but they just won't stick. Any ideas?

How long time did the print take?

Before I got my own printers I did a lot of printing worth Shapeways and this is how their prints come out looking, unless you pay extra for polishing.

Glad to see one of these. I feel like SLS is still one of those somewhat mythical systems. It may be viewed poorly by some, but there has to be a reason every print-on-demand service, major industries, etc. use these over nearly anything else. Yes, SLA and FDM are used in industry, but it always seems like the exception to the rule rather then the de-facto standard. If there's one thing I'm glad to see is that it's not super clean... as in, I heard SLS isn't super clean but the Fuse 1 promo video basically has it in the middle of an office and it seemed... weird.

Hello everyone, I am a beginner in 3D printing and I have a CR 10 V3 and I have a question about printing without a base or what would be the base that is created at the beginning of printing is that I have tried it on several occasions and The impression is damaged, the filament is detached from the platform. I am using it at 205 ° the strusor and the platform at 60 °. I am thinking that I may have to calibrate the bed for that type of impression. problem I have, I would appreciate a little help

Did you smell what the Nerd is cooking!

Notification Squad!!! :D

I have questions after I upload my parts in printer my printer (formulas fuse 1) after few layers it show some notifications 1. Review the last few layers of the job 2nd error 93/3 The recoater was obstructed while typing to move use vacuum to clean all the powder out of the powder handing system plz share your experience or make a videos about this

Impressive and fun. But dang. Even with a monster printer system that probably costs as much as a car, the benchy has visible layer lines (see 5:50)

@julhcoh

2 жыл бұрын

Point of these SLS systems isn’t extremely fine resolution, if that’s critical then a resin process is the best bet.

Whyyyy such a short video! been looking forward to this

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully we can go longer next time. On this day we had very limited time.

Mini Joel made out of unobtainium powder... (lots of it).

How long it took to finish the print?

nice ad you did there.

What about the other parts that were in that build volume? How did they turn out?

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

The other parts turned out perfect. I only had time to clean the benchy and the miniJoel

Just one question: how much to set up a shop to use this system? Do any Maker Space have one of these?

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

That I am not sure. Reach out to EngiType and they can tell you the cost of the workflow I did.

@henrychan720

2 жыл бұрын

Around $30K for the printer and the sift station. My university's makerspace has one in its own room but I imagine it is too pricy and messy for most.

I have question Can you use a 3d file for resin printer on regular pla printer? Or it need to be changed?

@reeces.pieces3

2 жыл бұрын

are you talking about STL or gcode?

@ed_halley

2 жыл бұрын

There are design considerations for best structure or print success, for each kind of printer. The "benchy" model can be printed on a filament, resin or sand printer, since its design is compatible with all three. Your model may have trouble or not, depending on the shapes.

@smokin1974

2 жыл бұрын

STL files will work...you just have to think of other considerations like do you want to get rid of unfused powder inside walls etc

@jonathanramiro100yearsago

2 жыл бұрын

I use stl files from thingiverse for anycubic 4 resin printer, it's designed with 70° tilt because it work best for resin printer but mine is pla printer...it will work the same if i print it on pla printer right? Or i need to remove 70° tilt and remakeing the support? I've already thinkering with my pla printer and kinda knon how to make it work and do test printing

Would like to see more SLS tutorials

can the powder really be reused, how many times can it be reused?

how much does such a print like the benchy or the mini-joel cost??

@iAmTheSquidThing

2 жыл бұрын

Most SLS companies have an automatic quote page where you upload a model and it gives you an instant price. I'd estimate a benchy would cost around $15.

Is SLS with carbon fiber possible?

💕🔥👍

Archeology != Paleontology

Would like info on new Sinterit NILS 480 SLS

Awesome! I’m curious to know if the blasting is a « must ». Any other alternatives for cleaning printed parts? Thanks!

Do you still use the 3d printed shift nob that you made for your car?

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly no. The car was sold more than a year ago.

@timcarrilee

2 жыл бұрын

@@3DPrintingNerd well it was still cool, hope your new car is really nice!

Could you use a drum for cleaning?

@MikeyBCook

2 жыл бұрын

If you mean a centrifugal tumbler or a tumbling media blaster, definitely.

@andreasstromberg

2 жыл бұрын

@@MikeyBCook tumbler with pellets, steel balls or stone

@MikeyBCook

2 жыл бұрын

@@andreasstrombergthe steel or stone might be too hard but the parts I've found are more resilient than a lot of fdm or sla parts.

That was too short!!! It was so fun watching SLS in action. Now I must go find more videos, but they'll be lacking your great sense of humor 😋

The question is how much does it cost to buy or own one of these. How strong are the parts and how much do they shrink. ..

@AdelineTurner

2 жыл бұрын

The current price for the printer and sift station is around $30000

Can it use steel powder? and why not? and what are they doing to rectify that?

@erikcederb

2 жыл бұрын

No. Metal powder-bed fusion is a totally different beast, and i don't think Formlabs is going into that market soon. The most important part is metal powders are way more reactive than nylon powders, and to avoid oxidizing, you have to flood the machine with an inert gas constantly, this is often a surprisingly high part of the cost of running metal powder systems. Metal powders are also very nasty to handle outside the printer. Then, a polymer SLS printer needs to have a precisely temperature-controlled chamber just a few degrees below the melting point of the polymer. This is not needed in metal powder-bed fusion, the melting point of the metals is so high that it becomes impractical. Instead, it needs more powerful lasers (at least 10x stronger than the Fuse 1). It also needs a way to fasten a thick steel build plate inside the chamber, since metals have so strong warping forces that all parts need to be welded to a metal build plate, and removed from the build plate with a bandsaw or wire EDM system. Look at the printers from Xact Metal, those are some of the cheapest metal powder-bed fusion systems out there.

@DanFrederiksen

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikcederb it wasn't my impression that it needs to be greatly fixed to a base. that doesn't sound true. And I don't care for excuses. it's metal or nothing. only metal counts. then maybe you can have a plastic thing for a few things but structural has to be metal, anything else is defeatist.

@erikcederb

2 жыл бұрын

@@DanFrederiksen There are very few exceptions to the rule that parts in metal pbf need to be welded to a base plate, and usually those exceptions are limited to specific geometries. Velo3D is being hyped right now for their metal 3D printing that can be done with a floating anchor in the powder instead of using the base plate in some cases due to their new recoater and some smart control algorithms. I have actually seen 20mm thick steel build plates being bent to the shape of a banana by the warping forces in mpbf printers. There is a whole market segment around support removal tools, custom band saws, wire EDMs and finishing equipment for metal 3d printing. You can go buy an Xact Metal printer for sub-$100k and print metal parts from powder today, as long as they are small, but that printer will not be able to print polymers, it is just different technologies with different requirements. Metal or nothing is btw a pretty narrow minded way to see the world of additive manufacturing. Even if metal 3d printing is growing, so is the polymer side, and metal replacement with polymers is a very popular topic. But what do I know...

I wish I could get my hands on an SLS printer for prop making

@ProtonOne11

2 жыл бұрын

Outsourcing your prints to a print shop is the better option, if you don't print daily and can't fill the build volume with parts. SLS is pretty messy (powder dust) and should be handled in a dedicated "clean" room. And for the price you would pay for a full SLS setup with dedicated room, cleaning and post processing station, materials and everything, you can get A LOT of parts printed by a professional company. And the professionals might offer larger print volume sizes and a bigger choice of materials and post processing, if needed.

really nice one Joel :) Just weird how you guys color-grade this video, you're shinning of vivid orange saturation for skin cavities imo.

nice video Joel .thats more messy than Resin really

still can't get away from those layer lines. Nothing beats cast resin for quality.

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

That’s true, man. ZERO layer lines.

You totally missed the perfect opportunity for Kevin and is chilli!

Is it supposed to be called a sift or a sieve?

@ed_halley

2 жыл бұрын

The noun, the thing, is a sieve. The action of using a sieve is to sift. Joel needed to move the model to the sifting area to sift the powder through the sieve.

@erikcederb

2 жыл бұрын

@@ed_halley and the post-processing station from Formlabs is called the "Fuse Sift"

My uni has one of these, I really wanna mess with it, but I'm kinda terrified of it

@mellertid

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, the terrifying part surely must be buying the equipment ☺️

How much? :)

That sifter should be in a sealed cabinet with built-in gloves.

VERY surprised that the sifting station doesn't have a full enclosure and gloves like the sand blasting station. It honestly feels MORE necessary for sifting than for the sandblasting.

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about that. I know there are hoods for chemicals in labs, and those aren’t fully enclosed. It’s VERY recommended you wear a respirator and I did. Great question though!

@MikeyBCook

2 жыл бұрын

Even some of the more expensive breakout stations for SLS printers aren't enclosed. This sifter is way more enclosed than the one I use at work.

there is a real mystery how the prints looks like when they are just out of vacuum cleaner. it seems to me that such an "amazing" surface finish is result of sandblasting but not a print quality. Also there is a question what was the problem to put brush right on to the vacuum cleaner hose end to make procedure easy?

@smokin1974

2 жыл бұрын

Because you want to recover powder through the sieving system to be reused. Vacuum is for cleaning up and removing unusable powder or other objects that may get in there

as far as I know, you cannot use the old powder indefinitely until it is finished, you have to sprinkle fresh powder in the right proportion. Maybe something has changed in this topic?

@Defender3d

2 жыл бұрын

You can use all powder, even non-virgin. The Fuse Sift will combine old and new, and so this will use the old up if managed correctly. Ideally you need to achieve a 30% packing density, to get the best out of the powder use, and the volume. You will end up with very little waste, just what is recovered from the vacuum when cleaning the Sift, and even that, you can re 'cyclone' that, to use on testing pieces.

@smokin1974

2 жыл бұрын

Plain old pa11/12 nylons work best with a 50/50 refresh ratio, some you can use up to 70 with little loss in part quality. Proprietary powder like this I couldn't say

@erikcederb

2 жыл бұрын

@@smokin1974 Formlabs recommendation and the default setting on the mixing station is 70% for the PA12 powder.

@smokin1974

2 жыл бұрын

@@erikcederb good to know, thanks

It seems to me that a wet "sifting" process would be safer, cleaner, and more efficient. I find it hard to believe that the filtering and drying problems are that hard to solve.

@kevinji7285

2 жыл бұрын

then the powder is unusable

Cant wait until this comes to desktop! Although I refuse to do business with a company that wont tell me up front how much something is and forces me to contact them to find out! Just screams red flag to me!

Looks incredibly long to create, cheers formlabs

The best support is NO SUPPORT!!

imagine an SLS with a smart ajustable build volume to use less powder

@Defender3d

2 жыл бұрын

You don't have to print the full volume on these, and any un-sintered powder is recycled too. So, I suppose it is adjustable to some degree, albeit not on the X and Y.

@ameliabuns4058

2 жыл бұрын

@@Defender3d oh yeah I meant XY to lessed the ends of cleanup

Thanks for another cool video Joel and Sean! Did you guys get a new camera recently? This is at least the second video I've seen in which Joel looks a bit glowing orange, as if the dark levels on his skin are too high. Or maybe it's something in the color correcting of the video? Either way, High-5!

@Aidenn23

2 жыл бұрын

Different program, but I’ve adjusted and it won’t be looking like that anymore!

They could have combined the printer, sifter, and sandblasting chamber into one machine.

3rd

Is that some salmon skin? 05:50

It'll only set you back about $20 to $30,000! LOL!

For industrial prototypes interesting, for private consumers it's way too expensive. You need a room for one printer and accessories...

Just nylon? Rats! I thought they were metal!

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

No metal on this one, but I may be given access to a metal additive machine soon!

Yeah, my wife is not letting me get this one...

Odd that the Formlabs cleaning station isn't completely enclosed so you don't need a respirator and gloves like the sandblasting chamber.

@Defender3d

2 жыл бұрын

You should use one though, and they even recommend it. The Sift has a negative pressure feature, so very little powder becomes airborne.

Put a camera inside that sand blasting chamber and you have a low effort 1M+ subscriber satisfying video channel right there.

SLS in a nutshell: Pros: - accuracy - no support material Cons: - UNGODLY MESS

@kharmastreams8319

2 жыл бұрын

Price is the biggest con at the moment imho

Finish looks like cast metal.

Mmmmm... Cake

Starting at $19k :-(

WHY ARE YOU YELLING AT US?!?!

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

I APOLOGIZE

👍👍😀 I am 61 year old man. I have aphasia and right side paralysis. Because of aphasia I´m struggling with speaking and I move by wheelchair.

what the heck is an inch?

@jschaeke

2 жыл бұрын

2.54 cm ... yeah also had to look it up.

@JeremieBPCreation

2 жыл бұрын

A barbaric unit of measurement. XD

@ricardo-iw9sq

2 жыл бұрын

25.4 mm

@michaels3003

2 жыл бұрын

It's a length of an inchworm.

@BlunderMunchkin

2 жыл бұрын

It's something that you could easily convert to centimeters if you weren't determined to complain about how other people measure things.

The cake is a lie.

(Wheel reinvention concept) High velocity electric unicycle with a unhackable mobile supercomputer RISC processing for utmost stability, using built in GPS and lidar 3d terrain and surroundings scanning potential, long range distance able and that can fit in a spare wheel compartment for even the cars as a added safety measure. The innovation of the right to mobility ♿. Wheelchairs too to help boost disability rights as well. Entirely possible. #TheDigitalLifeguardProject-_-

@truetech4158

2 жыл бұрын

It should also be able to be a spare tire for a car as well, and even be able to add locomotion for a car that ran out of power. Foo Fighters - Times Like These 🗽

Even at 2.0x playback speed I got bored

It's a commercial machine this is just advertising bye thumbs down

@3DPrintingNerd

2 жыл бұрын

It’s me showing something neat and I think it’s cool. Others think it’s neat as well. At no point am I selling you on anything other than saying hi to the EngiType folks. You’re more than welcome to your wrong opinion. This isn’t an airport so there is no need to announce your departure.

@ShumanProjects

2 жыл бұрын

Why do people think it is acceptable to post comments like this? You came to the 3D Printing Nerd channel and got a video about a 3D printer. It isn't like this is a video about kitchen stand mixers. I love seeing all variety of videos, even of industrial gear I'll never purchase. If it isn't for you, just kindly move on with your life without the comment. Thanks for the interesting video, Joel!

@jrobot83

2 жыл бұрын

@@ShumanProjects Exactly! Most of us won't buy one or even need one but it is about learning the technology that exists and emerging. Especially for younger audience that may be inspired by the capability and possibly plant the seed for a career. Thank you, Joel and team for inspiring 👍

@davidtobin

2 жыл бұрын

I learned about submarines in school and I don’t own one.