Forester SF5 STi / 5 Speed Swap
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In this video we are converting this automatic 2000 Forester STi into a manual and also installing an aluminum radiator.
It is our first time doing an Automatic to 5 Speed swap, the challenge in this project was the wiring of course but we hope to make it easier for those who are watching.
The challenge: We originally thought that the speed sensor signal came from the ABS signal in the hubs but turns out there are speed sensors in the transmission! Watch as we figure out how to get the speedometer to work the 3 wire Subaru speed sensor!
More infos on doing an automatic to manual wiring:
www.rs25.com/threads/how-to-w...
Chapters in this Video👇🏼:
00:00 Forester Introduction
00:31 Inside the '00 Forester STi
03:07 Removing Automatic Transmission
09:33 5Speed Transmission
12:11 Preparing Engine
13:10 Clutch pedal
15:04 Firewall
16:16 Wiring
18:55 Jumper connector
19:50 No Speed sensor
20:55 Wiring explained
30:24 ABS unit and ECU pin
31:58 adding MT pin
32:40 Forester still reving
33:45 MT pin installed ABS unit removed
34:33 Aluminum radiator
36:11 Fully swapped Forester
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Who is ready to try to swap their automatic? 😄Let us know if you have any questions concerning the wiring or other challenges you come across. We would love to hear from you!
@macneilbascombe6084
Жыл бұрын
Hey u guys I look at yur vids because they teach me alot I'm a newbie to subies so thanks for the help in advance
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
@@macneilbascombe6084 Thank you! Let us know if you have any questions🙂
@hoscarjaurigegonzalez7203
Жыл бұрын
I have a 99 Legacy Wagon auto I would like to swap mine out can y’all do it?
@macneilbascombe6084
Жыл бұрын
@@OkiSubies actually i do have lots to ask i currently own a 2004 forester xt, i let a friend drive it and he broke the automatic transmission. Can another transmission jus bolt up to replace it or does the numbers on the transmission have to b the same ?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
@@macneilbascombe6084 I would definitely try and keep the numbers on the transmission the same. But you can also look at AT Impreza’s because they Also use the same transmission
You are building my dream car. That generation of forester is my absolute favorite body style
@OkiSubies
Ай бұрын
They look amazing with a few basic mods and are extremely practical!
Living in japan as a mechanic is my dream life. Good for you guys.
Swapping mines and I can’t tell you how much this has helped me. Almost ready to drop the motor back in! Just need to finish up the speed sensor wiring & reverse lights & source a few parts I’m missing and it should be ready to fire up!
@OkiSubies
Ай бұрын
Thats awesome man! Feel free to hit us up with any questions!
@Owensti
Ай бұрын
@OkiSubies need to find the pin that makes the ecu into a manual one. Mines is a USDM 04 xt and I can’t find online for a pin out that says which one it is. Yours at 31:15 is that green one but my pins are different than yours.
@OkiSubies
Ай бұрын
@@Owensti there is a TID switch in yours with it being different, you might have to reflash your rom with a 5 speed rom🤔 Does yours idle up higher? The good thing with yours is that it is tunable, unlike the SF platform.
The content I love!Great job,keep em coming guys
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!!!
Tip: Instead of tricking/powering the key interlock on the ignition, just remove the steering column surrounds, the interlock is a small solenoid box on the ignition you can remove it and then the ignition works as it should and will no longer hold the key. 5 minute just saves some hassle.
@MrTakeaswig
Жыл бұрын
And as for the abs issue, if you swap a abs pump from a manual car it also solves a headache, after manual converting several phase 2 cars seems to be easiest option, opposed to trying to trick it all.
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Thank you for the tips! Removing the solenoid sounds like a way better option and we will definitely check that out. We have also heard about using the manual pump and that would have been great to try but unfortunately we didn’t have any easily accessible. Thanks again for taking the time to share the info!
Always was amazed they didn't offer these in manual besides the type M. I'm sure there are lots of automatic fozzys that will find this helpful.
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Totally Agree! We hope so! Hopefully it was clear enough to help, we got hit with a few curve balls but it wasn’t to bad when all said and done.
My favorite Forester gen.
Im midway through doing this on a BH5 legacy twin turbo and have watched this video at least 5 times, its a great help i know the cars arnt exactly the same but gives me a good idea on where to look Thanks and great job 👍
@OkiSubies
7 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Thats what its all about right there, glad to help in anyway we can.
Top video boys definitely inspired me to give it a go myself. I have the exact same model and was gutted it came without a manual 😢
@OkiSubies
10 ай бұрын
Nice! You can do it! Let us know if you have any questions 🙂
Yes I'm gonna be doing this to mine soon
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
You can do it! What year is your Forester?
I am in the process of doing a similar setup. I took an EJ20k from a 97 Forester turbo and put it in a USDM 01 Forester. I already have a 5 speed so that part was pretty easy. I was screaming at the screen watching you guys try to figure out the wiring😂 I found it was a lot easier laying out two wiring diagrams and merging them. On my ECU (yellow 3 plug) there are two sets of pins on there for the neutral switch and TCM. The diagram shows which pins needs to be grounded if you are using auto or manual.
@Cbgrandtheftauto
5 ай бұрын
Also with my swap I cut the harness at the ECU and merged the two there. Under the hood I made cross connect extensions cables to go from the Forester's OEM body harness to the EJ20K's engine harness. It made it plug and play. The swap was actually easy. Not because I have done this swap before on an Impreza, but because the EJ20K requires less wires than my Forester currently has so there were a lot of things I didnt have to worry about hooking up. The only wire I had to add was a new wire for the MAF sensor since the 01's only had MAP sensors.
Swapped mine today😮😮😮
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
How did it go!?
How much would you guys charge to swap same 01 forester Sti? I live in Kanagawa
I buy it just like it is. I also didn't know these came in autos for a forester sti. When they made this forester sti they should have shipped around 4000-7000 of them to the US
I have a 2005 Subaru Legacy GT, and did a conversion from Automatic to Manual transmission. Do you have a video on how to trick the ignition to get the key to come out and how to jumper the wire to get the car started? Does the computer have a ground for it to read manual?
Changer the abs pump for one from manuel some reason it works
im curious too know how much yall charge?
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Do you have a wiring diagram for the car harness plug to the gearbox for exactly which is the neutral position switch the reverse switch and the speed sensor
How long did it take you to complete the project?
@OkiSubies
8 ай бұрын
It took us about two days🙂
Manual swapped my usdm na 99 forester with a 05 na fozzy mt and did real similar stuff with the neutral position switch and reverse lights and unplug the tcm. Still need to ground the manual identification pin but no one has a reference for the pins on my harness (everyone has different connectors than me). It’s been running fine but every couple of days it dies when I throw it in nuetral with a code about the p1507 related to the nuetral switch I wired just like yours. Gonna find that pin and try again
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Have you compared yours with any of these? www.xcceleration.com/pinouts.htm
@cerealspoon7876
Жыл бұрын
@@OkiSubies I referenced the diagrams to what another thread had talked about and it looks like the right connector so im going to look at it this weekend. Definelty needed that pdf pin layout thank you
@Cbgrandtheftauto
5 ай бұрын
3 plug ECU or 4 plug?
@cerealspoon7876
5 ай бұрын
@@Cbgrandtheftauto it was a 3 plug. I found the manual identifier pin and grounded it to the dash and it stopped dying when I let off because it hangs onto the rpm’s longer
@Cbgrandtheftauto
5 ай бұрын
I just went through the same thing with my swap. The ECU my Forester engine came from was an auto, but mine is a manual. Glad you got it fixed!
Did you have to use hydraulics for the clutch assembly? Is a cable compatible with the forester?
@OkiSubies
3 ай бұрын
We used the oem hydraulic setup from a 5 speed turbo model. Unfortunately not sure about the compatibility for the cable setups though.
Do you have any information for wiring a 6 speed info a very first sf5 sti
@OkiSubies
8 ай бұрын
Six speeds would be the same🙂 only wiring difference is the two wires for the center diff if you have a dccd six speed
How did you guys manage to get the reverse lights and speedometer working?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
There are two wires on the harness that you have to wire to the 5 speed reverse light switch and the speedometer was oem 3 wire sensor. Both are explained in the video🙂👍🏻
I need this for mine. At least I have an updated video of how to get it done. Is the owner doing a shaken to update the title?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
He will definitely have to eventually. That would be a cool follow up video for you local cats!🤙🏼
Thoughts on how this would be on an 05 Forester xt auto to manual?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
In Japan the 05 XT auto’s are drive by wire and the MT’s are cable throttle so that would be the biggest challenge.
I'm curious, what do you guys do with the automatic transmissions? resell/throw away? roughly how much would you sell a forester sti automatic transmission package?
@OkiSubies
6 ай бұрын
We typically throw them away 😅 If it was a local pickup we would give it away lol
can ask? GRB impreza 6 speed twin plate clutch can use into this sf5 5 speed manual? because i have good offer here but no idea can pnp or not..
@OkiSubies
11 ай бұрын
I wouldn’t try and put a six speed clutch into a 5 speed no.
When i swapped my 00 impreza 2.5rs i left the automatic transmission computer plugged in and my abs still works and no abs light
I’m stuck with wiring on 2004 forester xt 6 speed from sti swap it’s really hard for me to do the wiring 😭 Please help🙏
Would it be possible to delete the ABS system? I only ask because the modules will eventually go bad causing the ABS light to light up anyway… or is it just simply better to have the ABS system intact other then for obvious reasons like Oki roads mixed with rain
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Definitely possible to delete the system, if the system fails the brakes would act just like if it wasn’t there so I wouldn’t worry about it too much. You could probably even get a GC8 Type RA brake system and delete it with oem parts.
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Chase Bays also offers an ABS delete kit on their website. We are running it and a booster delete on our GF8.
do you know anything about usdm 09 legacy ? I'm looking for information about engine swaps and engine harness
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
We have done legacy engines in GC8’s and have done a good amount of wiring on the Legacy platform. The biggest challenge that you will run into is the immobilized system. What engine do you plan on swapping?
@officaldjflo
Жыл бұрын
@@OkiSubies What about an EJ255 or Ej257 under the 05 year ?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
@@officaldjflo those swaps are a lot more straightforward depending on what engine you have. With the EJ platform the ECU, Harness and heads are the most important to look into. Many times you can swap the long block from another engine if the long block shares the same heads.
@officaldjflo
Жыл бұрын
@@OkiSubies Its an Ej 253 2.5 L. I was trying to figure that part out . I was getting lost because of the compression is differnt.
Got the motor in & everything connected. I’m getting a no start. It cranks and cranks but doesn’t want to fire up. I know I’m getting spark & fuel. As well as the motor I know it’s good because it came out of my running and driving 06 Wrx.. what should I look for now.
@OkiSubies
Ай бұрын
How did you check fuel? Did you happen to get the fuel lines backwards when connecting the lines to the engine?
@Owensti
Ай бұрын
They were backwards at first, I fixed it and it’s still not starting. Before I fixed it and left the fuel line disconnected I turned the key and fuel started dumping out so I know my fuel pump is working. I can also hear it priming
@Okisubies hi guys, really enjoying the videos. I have a stb sti applied model code is SF5C5EP, engine code is ej205dxxke do you guys know if my car has the ecu that can be reflashed or tuned? I'm planning on putting a td05 18g billet turbo on, sti spec c top mount intercooler, bigger injectors, water methanal injection kit, whiteline suspension components and probably bc coilovers on and get geometry set up. I'm aiming for a some extra power, I will be doing the manual gearbox swap within 1 year. I'm aiming for increase in power is there anything you would advise, would a standalone ecu be more beneficial like a link g4+? Thank you okiesubies
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for reaching out! The only way you could possibly get it reflashed is maybe ECUTek but you would need to find a shop near you that uses it. A stand alone can be expensive but it is really hard to beat them. There are so many things you can do with them like engine safety settings, speed density, launch control and so much more. For the SF and GC platforms we definitely recommend a stand alone. You won’t regret it. For example you can even do dual mapping for fuel, one with pump only and the other tuned with the methanol. The AEM kit for example has a “safety option” and when you run out of methanol it sends a signal to the ecu and the ecu will switch to the map without meth so you won’t run lean. Just so much more you can do with a stand alone🙂
I have the same SF5 forester but not the STI model. A 1999 version. I’m experiencing some boost cuts that are on and off causing on and off power whenever I hit about 3500 rpm in 3rd, 4th and 5th gears. What could be the issue?
@OkiSubies
6 ай бұрын
I would start with spark plugs and maf sensor🙂
@lewiskimutai7651
6 ай бұрын
@@OkiSubiesWe’ve replaced the spark plugs and as for the MAF sensor it’s working just fine
@Cbgrandtheftauto
5 ай бұрын
Have you installed any kind of boost controller or changed any vacuum lines?
Whats the manual trannie off? Im looking to convert mine 😅
@OkiSubies
11 ай бұрын
Most 5 speeds work, you just need to make sure the final drive is the same. We got this 5 speed from another Forester🙂
Can you use gc8 pedals?
@OkiSubies
10 ай бұрын
Yes🙂
@danielmayman8560
10 ай бұрын
@@OkiSubies thank you for your reply
Quick question did you guys ever suffer a code for the neutral position sensor on this 🤔
@OkiSubies
6 ай бұрын
Nope! Still running great to this day🙂
@stephenbrook9085
6 ай бұрын
@@OkiSubies nice! Thanks again
Im doing the exact same swap ...can you guys send me a diagram or something of ypur wiring harness and the exact chamges you made
@OkiSubies
13 күн бұрын
If you give me an email address (you can send to our FB page) we can use the wire diagram we used but everything we did is in the video and there is also a write up from a Forum in the description 🙂👍🏻
can ask, gc8 ver3/4 speedometer can use in sf5?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
Version 3 is a mechanical speed sensor and the version 4 is the two wire speed sensor so to get them to work you would need to install the GC8 gauge cluster also. It would be a lot easier to use the 3 wire speed sensor.
@devil_samuraix6176
Жыл бұрын
@@OkiSubies yes i got GC8 gauge cluster gift from fren, after remove... found out socket difference compare my sf5 2000s... meaning i need hunt gc8 socket and re wiring it?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
@@devil_samuraix6176 that is correct! You would need to find a pinout for both cars and rewire the SF5 to the GC8 cluster.
@devil_samuraix6176
Жыл бұрын
@@OkiSubies alright.. thx for the info..
@devil_samuraix6176
Жыл бұрын
@@OkiSubies by the way, what the disadvantage from 3 wire downgrade to 2 wire cluster conversion?
this motor same as impreza ver 5 6 ej205?
@OkiSubies
Жыл бұрын
That is correct! There are some differences like the turbo but it is pretty much the same.
@OkiSubies my clutch keeps on failing after the swap
@OkiSubies
2 ай бұрын
It fails after doing a 5 speed swap? How is it failing?
@NyunJah
2 ай бұрын
@OkiSubies yes I did the swap for my 2000 sf5 sti ..but the clutch sometimes just falls. Always have to replace the clutch cylinder
what is the max torque it can handle?
@OkiSubies
6 ай бұрын
Many people say anything over 320-350 is in the danger zone. Hard to put an exact number on it though.
@totiesyphotographyofficial7372
6 ай бұрын
thank you for the info so 300 is still safe, planning to build my ej20g with 5 speed soon
@Cbgrandtheftauto
5 ай бұрын
That is a loaded question. It's all on the driver and abuse. As long as you are not clutch dumping and FFS a 5 speed, it will hold an indefinite amount of torque.
Come on man, we need to know how to do the swap on a NORMAL Forester, not those weird fangled right hand drive ones! 😂
@OkiSubies
13 күн бұрын
Haha thats all we got!😅😂 Well if it makes you feel better, just remember we are struggling with the same swaps on the other side of the world😂