Glory To GOD!!! Thank you Leighton Flowers! Satan comes as a minister of light. I believe Calvinism is a strong spirit of error. 1st Corinthians 13:13 - "Now abide these three, faith, hope, love, with love being the greatest." On the other hand, I have a Calvinist pastor who seems to be very kind and caring ( to those who are of the Calvinistic view.)

Anyone else hype that the opening song is back????

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

settle down honey

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

i am really hyper now, leave me be.

A meek, humble, loving attitude is what is needed to bring the truth to those caught in the snare of Calvinism . I am learning so much by watching your videos especially by your generous behavior to help people see the truth. Praise God for His helps and blessings to give us understanding about this important issue by way of such loving brethren.

Thank you Dr. Leighton Flowers. Your message was helpful to me to counter an atheist's argument that Christian God is cruel and and partial.

Gracious, loving, humble. Thank you for standing your theological ground in the midst of youtube theology gone terribly mean-spirited

I tried to listen to Dr. White’s podcast and I couldn’t get past the first 10 min. Dr. White is so arrogant in how he deals with his brothers in Christ. It’s a real shame because I hear from his opposition all the time how knowledgeable he is, but his blatant antagonism of other Christian apologists and theologians turns me off right away. I pray he realizes his own folly and makes attempts to make amends with his brothers.

@MrMikeylikesit2010

4 жыл бұрын

Arrogance is a fruit of Calvinism. Because the see themselves above others( the elect). This is why Calvinism is dangerous, it separates believers into classes

@JacquelineRPrice

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I can't get past his arrogant, condescending attitude. It's a total turn-off. Not honoring our Savior at all!

@oprophetisfake9482

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMikeylikesit2010 Of course, Calvinists see themselves as special. They are the chosen ones and the rest of us are just unworthy disposable vessels.

@oprophetisfake9482

2 жыл бұрын

Let's try and find some positive in the man. He does do a good job of debating Muslims and doesn't let them get away with the double standards they always try to pull when debating Christians.

@ShepherdMinistry

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrMikeylikesit2010 If that’s how you view Calvinist you have it all wrong my friend. Calvinism is about not being special, instead God is special. God bless

James White needs to apologize to a lot of people.

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

He WILL! :)

@TONyjustRoCks

4 жыл бұрын

A little off topic, but someone watch Clark + Ellis and White + Durbin's debate and tell me I'm crazy for seeing ZERO fruits of the Spirit from White.

@davidochieng2975

4 жыл бұрын

He needs no apology for he only speaks what the Bible speaks.Get the insight.

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

​@@davidochieng2975 - we caught on to an wild ones, right here folks!!

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidochieng2975 Did you PUT your trust in the doctrines of man? Psalms 2:12 “Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.” Psalms 118:8 “It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.” WHERE will you PUT your TRUST?

Reading Romans with a Calvinistic lens is very weird because you can see the theme, mentioned several times in almost every single chapter of the book, of Jew/Gentile and Law/Faith. Reading it as the Calvinist does pulls you out of that context/theme into little blurbs here and there about predestination and other Calvinist watchwords. Don't take my word for it! Go through the book of Romans and simply highlight everything that speaks about Jew, Gentile, Law, Works, Faith, etc. You will see that that is the theme. That is the context. This also entails that the text, while applying to individuals, is primarily about people groups. If I pastored several churches, and I elected one of them to do some task of evangelism, then have I elected the individuals in that church to do evangelism. Of course! However, I have not, therefore, elected them individually. They are elected in virtue of belonging to the group. This election is primarily about the group and only secondarily about the individuals. That is the most natural reading of Romans. Jews and Gentiles have been elected in virtue of being believers in Christ. All who believe on Christ are elected, Jew and Gentile alike. What more natural interpretation is there for Romans 9:20-24? We must interpret in light of the context of Jew and Gentile. How does a primarily individual election/predestination even accord with the obvious primacy of group election/predestination in v. 24? The idea also seems obvious that we should look for other passages about potters and clay for clues about the meaning of this text. Is it a coincidence that Jeremiah 18 describes the potter and clay as God doing what he wills with the Jewish nation and other nations? I think not! Can someone help me figure out why I should prefer the seemingly forced Calvinistic interpretation of Romans over this more natural one?

@Real_LiamOBryan

4 жыл бұрын

@@PsychoBible I don't know how it's not obvious to everybody else, my brother. Romans 11 is all about salvation coming to the Gentiles together with a remnant of the Jews (v. 11). That's why Dr. Flowers is spot on when he applies the context, apparent in Romans 11:2a ("God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew."), to the "Golden Chain of Redemption" in Romans 8:28-30 (v. 29 specifically). The question in that passage is not whether there is election, there most certainly is, but *who* are the elect. The answer can only be that those who believe in Jesus are the elect.

@andrewclover1462

4 жыл бұрын

Is that an actual request for some dialogue? Or were you being rhetorical?

@Real_LiamOBryan

4 жыл бұрын

@@andrewclover1462 Actual, because I want to know the truth, no matter what belief I hold currently.

@MrMikeylikesit2010

4 жыл бұрын

Amen brother. It’s all about context,context,context

@djohnson3093

3 жыл бұрын

Calvinism is built from stand alone verses that are separated from the whole of scripture. Context causes the calvinists view to die a slow, miserable death so it's avoided at all costs

I am so glad to hear someone expressing the Arminian perspective on foreknowledge instead of the ridiculous demigod version of the delorean. The Calvinist does not even begin to understand the foreknowledge or omniscience of God. They simply don't understand that God can know all things unless He is the one causally determining everything. They don't recognize omniscience as a separate quality of God but relegate it under His omnipotence. But then they don't understand his omnipotence either. They don't understand that God can have the ability, and have everything, under His command, if He does not use it to make all things conform to His perfect desire. That is why they deny any real agency to men or angels and end up with a system that cannot but make God causally responsible for evil. They just end up with a complete control freak god. How can you love God, if there is no real freedom? Under Calvinism there is no way to truly love God with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your strength either their god MAKES you love Him which is not real love, or he leaves you totally unable to love him. Calvinism just makes it impossible to even try to conform with or fulfill the greatest commandment. Or the second, for that matter. As your love of God is forced or nonexistent, so your love for your neighbour is likewise a fiction forced by the Calvinist god's agency and not yours at all.

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

Arminiam theology is heretical.

@oprophetisfake9482

2 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevett2944 It is Calvinism that is heretical. St Paul made a clear contrast between faith and works, and yet Calvinism confuses faith with a work. Calvinism even puts new life before repentance and belief. The order of salvation in Calvinism is completely heretical.

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

@@oprophetisfake9482 Calvinism is within the limits of orthodoxy.

@oprophetisfake9482

2 жыл бұрын

@@johntrevett2944 I don't believe that a complete reversal of the order of salvation is anywhere near being within the bounds of orthodoxy.

@johntrevett2944

2 жыл бұрын

@@oprophetisfake9482 That's your opinion. I don't think you know what orthodoxy is.

What will never stop bugging me is that following one man in such a staunch way of 5 points NOT listed out in the word is wrong. Just talk about the scripture as you teach it and the Holy Spirit leads not a man or a plan on either side. Sounds simple and is. You are so right about James White. I use to follow him but realized he has one agenda with 5 points.

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

a woman scorned, hey, get yourselft an grip, mentally, i say

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

Pay no attention to Allen Tomas...he is either a 9-year old boy playing on his parent's laptop or a middle-aged lonely woman with a house full of cats seeking human interaction. I pray she finds love soon, she deserves to find someone who can appreciate her charming personality! 😊 John 17:26 “And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.”

@nicholascarter6543

2 жыл бұрын

Ya,I can’t understand how Calvinists sleep at night... I just believe the Word of God. I’m not Arminian. I’m not Calvinist or Molinist ect lol. I’m a Christian born again by the blood of Christ and the Holy Spirit. Period. Ahhh...that felt gooood. Praise God in Christ!!

@nicholascarter6543

2 жыл бұрын

But if I had to pick,I would lean more towards the Biblical perspective that Leighton Flowers points out. It’s completely biblical,reasonable and even unreasonable to deny it as a Christian... no hate or resentment at all...just don’t agree with their theology ultimately. Thanks Leighton Flowers. God bless all of y’all.

@michellecheriekjv4115

Жыл бұрын

It was a Refutation of what was called "The Remonstrance". Thirteen Pastors ( l believe) came together with the Scripture's to answer their 5 points. Which was called "The Synod of Dort or the Canons of Dort." It was no small thing. There was 154 meetings, over 7 months to address each point from the Scripture. Look it up online. Scripture says there's no "private interpretation" of Scripture. The Holy Spirit reveals truth of Scripture in a Born Again believer. We must and allow the Holy Spirit to lead us thru the Scripture and teach us. Only God can truly reveal God and His Truth. Men without distractions from Social Media, and knew many languages fluently seemed to study scripture Soo much more deeply back then, in my humble opinion. Sometimes it was the only Book households owned. Pray for the Holy Spirit to reveal His truth. God Bless. 🙏

Wow! This is so good!! I'm seeing that passage in a totally new light! And it's way better than I saw it before! Thank you again, Doc Flowers, for speaking the simple, beautiful, untainted truth of God's word! 👏👏

The main thing I always heard growing up in a reformed Babtist church was that "foreknow" isn't talking about knowing something ahead of time but actually had more to do with an intimate love. Some would say you could read it as, "Those whom God foreloved." I've read an article on this topic, though, that foreknow does use the Greek word for know, but it could carry the idea of a loving relationship depending on the context. So it can be understood both ways. My thought is this: "How does God love us in a deep and personal way?" Jesus said, "No one can come to the Father except through me." In order for us to have a deep, loving relationship with God and to be known by him in that kind of way, we must believe on Jesus, because there is no way to be reconciled with God and have relationship with him except by Jesus. So I think it makes sense that God loved those whom he knew ahead of time would have a personal relationship to him by faith in his Son Jesus. To be clear, I think God also loves those who never come to him in faith, but I think it is different because it lacks the close, mutual relationship, just like a Christian's love for his enemies would be different than his love for his wife.

@ShepherdMinistry

2 жыл бұрын

Romans 9:15-16 [15] For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” [16] So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy. It’s not what a man wills, but God who has mercy on the man.

@JamesBrown-fd1nv

11 ай бұрын

​John Shepherd ministry?

I'm always so encouraged listening to you, Dr. Flowers. Thank you again for showing me the loving, sacrificial heart of our gracious Lord and Savior.

Love this perspective on the text in question!

Thank you Pastor. So Biblical and it does flow logically. Now it is time to make this interpretation something I can be conversant with. Be reformed to the word of God

Thank you so much for your help understanding what the text actually means and not taking it out of context! Back when I first heard one of Dr. Whites videos when I was a new born again Christian, I thought I was listening to a different gospel and it made me question everything I had understood up to that point. But, luckily I came across one of your videos and it made so much sense and didn't contradict the Bible. Thank you so much for your help and everything you do to make things clear! I know that I am responsible for my actions and God isn't making me do anything. I don't understand how someone could twist the Bible to make it sound like we are all pretty much just robots and we have no free will.

In addition to the advice Dr. Flowers gives, I'd also suggest to our Calvinist brothers to spend a considerable amount of time actually engaging non-Calvinist theologians, pastors, etc and their works without much prejudgment (e.g. listening to a Calvinist's criticism of a non-Calvinist prior to hearing and understanding the non-Calvinist on his own terms). At the very least, this should aid in a fairer understanding.

@qcbtbx

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamOwenI I am quite familiar with James and his body of work FYI. Interesting that you presume I was talking about him even though nothing in my statement gives that indication. I was speaking to the wider audience of Calvinist listeners who may not do as I prescribed. I, like, every other human being am biased in some way or the other, but being completely objective wasn't my contention. Rather, it was to be fairer in our understanding and reading. Does that make sense to you?

@qcbtbx

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamOwenI you admit you assumed I was talking about James. I wasn't. Yet, your entire comment continues as if I'm talking about James...why? Yes, listening to one characterize their opponent's position can hinder a fair understanding. That point is not controversial. You may think James doesn't do that in this case, but again, I wasn't talking about him...

@qcbtbx

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamOwenI I can see how one would jump to that conclusion as you have, but providing clarity here resolves that. Does it not? So I don't see why you choose to continue down this road...

@qcbtbx

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamOwenI and even to your point, it isn't as if Dr White has not been unfair in his characterizations of Dr Flowers in the past. It's the reason why Dr Flowers had to make an entire video on this a while back.

@qcbtbx

4 жыл бұрын

@@SamOwenI nevertheless, I wasn't talking about James White, so that should have been the end of it. Instead, you chose to double down and discuss what I wasn't...

YES!! THE CORRECT OPENING SONG IS BAACK!!!

Guess I'm just a simple believer, but I don't understand the need to be right and someone else wrong at this end of the deep, when there are so many who don't even understand the simple "Good News" of the gospel of Jesus's FINISHED work. They don't know they are new creatures, no longer under condemnation, but justified once, forever more, NEVER to be judged again, no matter how their wrong beliefs may cause them to miss the LOVE of God. NOT religion but relationship is all is required to see the TRUTH. God is LOVE! Amen? Why are we not sharing that more?

@jeremiahb9718

4 жыл бұрын

Carla Dean Because Calvinsts believe all of that is limited to a pre-select few and most people walking the earth cannot be saved no matter how much gospel they hear. We non-Calvinists believe that’s a false understanding of God and is a false doctrine. So do you think we should just shut up and not speak up about it?

@carladean2339

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeremiahb9718 that is sad for them as their view of God's love would be so narrow and diminished. They can't be peaceful happy people, filled with God's abiding joy. I would only say that they, as anyone, should be dealt with in love.

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@carladean2339 Hello...they are dealt with in love. Love is TRUTH and sometimes lies must be rebuked sharply so that the truth CAN be heard. These are people that profess to know God and yet they do not and their leaven spreads like a wildfire that needs to be quenched by the truth. Only the TRUTH will set a sinner free. Calvinists murder God's message of grace and hope. A message is meant to be HEARD, otherwise, why would he work so hard to get it sent out? Calvinism is simply an error heard and believed by many professing themselves to be "wise". We are to minister grace to unbelievers in love...we are to sharply rebuke those who call themselves a brother and has fallen away from the truth and believed a lie. How did Jesus "deal with" the Pharisees who claimed to know God? I recall a few tables being flipped and some "WOE'S" being tossed about. Love is not rainbows and hugs...it's TRUTH and sometimes the truth hurts. It ought to hurt...it ought to prick you in your heart. The only way for it to prick your heart is if you first allow it in your ears! Calvinist's gospel is "pray that you are one of the elect and for God to open your heart" The truth is that he will open your heart IF you will open your ears and hear his message that will begin by telling you that you are a sinner....Proverbs 1:7 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.”

Is there anything more depraved, more degenerate, more reprobate, more immoral, more perverted, more down right devilishly evil than going around telling everybody the GOD of the Bible creates and predestines *people to barbecue in Hell* for HIS own good selfish glory and HIS own good sadistic pleasure? … No, no, there isn’t.

@davidochieng2975

4 жыл бұрын

It is true understand the Scriptures

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

do not do it, jonny boy

@enonknives5449

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidochieng2975 -- Calvinists think they worship God, but they don't. They worship Satan and call the devil "God." They believe that before the foundation of the world, before there was ever any sin, that God desired sin, suffering, death, and condemnation. They think God desired it so much that He created people incapable of avoiding that fate. No amount of persuasion will get Calvinists to understand that God is good. They refuse to worship any god UNLESS they think that he is evil.

@davidochieng2975

4 жыл бұрын

@@enonknives5449 "For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly but because of Him who subjected it in hope,because the creation itself also will be delivered from bondage of corruption in glorious liberty of the children of God"(Romans 8:20-21)

@davidochieng2975

4 жыл бұрын

@@enonknives5449 If you cannot understand the secret things of God revealed to his servants for he says he will do nothing without informing his servants the prophets (Amos 3:7;Isaiah 46:10-11and you claim to be true worshipper of God, "At that time Jesus full of joy through the Holy Spirit said ," I praise you Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned and have revealed them to little children (the elect). Yes Father,for this was your good pleasure. (Luke 10:21) "What then ?What Israel sought so earnestly it did not obtain but,the elect did.The others (not the elect)were hardened, as it is written:"God gave them a spirit of stupor ,eyes so that they could not see and ears so that they could hear to THIS VERY DAY And David says:"May their table become a snare and a trap,a stumbling block and a retribution for them. May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,and their back be bent forever. "(Romans 11:7-10) "All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast -all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world"(Revelation 13:8) "For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to give the beast their power to rule until God's words are fulfilled. "(Revelation 17:17) "The devil led him(Jesus to lure him to follow him)up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world .And he said to him, I will give you all their authority and splendor,for it has been given to me ,and I can give it to anyone I want to (none elect)So if you worship me ,it will be yours. (Luke 4:5-7)

Thank you very much for your teaching.

This is the only view that holds the verb tense, the actual natural meaning of the word "Foreknow", as used in the same discussion in Romans 11. No tin foil on the head there. Also remember that there is no objective verse where the Calvinist may insert himself into this chain. Firstly he has removed himself from the "world"" all" and "whomsoever" or "whatever person". He also must fly past the clause that this chain is not set up for those who are randomly chosen but for those who on condition, "LOVE GOD" Can there be a more defined condition than that,

@granthollandvideos

4 жыл бұрын

Just had a brief run through of his reply. Praise the Lord he played most of your argument, then spent a lot of time rambling, and seemingly changing the Aorist tense and adding to it. Then he tries "love" to "called", but we would not dispute that, so he tries to change "call" into a general thing that dismisses individuals, this against the verse as a whole. At most points, as he is talking aggressively against the view, you could easily insert our interpretation into his own words, its actually quite amazing. Bless you Leighton

To your point, the most common translation in Spanish says “a Los Que antes conoció, también los predestinó” Which literally means “Those who He knew before, he also predestined.”

Thanks!

This was EXTREMELY GOOD!!!

@folktheologytransition3756

8 күн бұрын

Totally agree!!!!

Very simple, confess, that is acknowledge you are a sinner and reprobate and see the need to seek mercy from the God that you have been suppressing, up until the Gospel opened your heart, for the Gentile that is.

Thank you. This interpretation is compelling.can you reference the treatment by Jonathan Pritchard (sp)?

Another hard-hitting episode. Keep swinging that axe of truth against the root of error!

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

oh, an Bunyan types, hey

The SONG! 😍

@MrMarkovka11

4 жыл бұрын

I thought it was odd at first but it quickly grew on me! Lol

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMarkovka11 This was always his intro song...he recently stopped playing it, now it's BACK! :)

With insomnia in the night, I was researching the word for “knowing” (good and evil) and was surprised to find that it’s the word used in Genesis 18:19 regarding the conversation between the visiting Lord and Abraham about Sodom. The Lord counsels with himself about proceeding on the basis that he had known Abraham, that Abraham would command his descendants in God’s ways of justice.

Anyone know what song is playing at the beginning of his videos?

Also, the context verses 17 through 25 set up the idea that is being presented which is the future glory of the believer.

Why would a god who determines all things have any use for foreknowledge?

No wonder you had to leave Calvinism. You just don't have the arrogance or self-righteousness to fit in. God bless.

@sgbc5863

4 жыл бұрын

So we boast in our humility by mocking a mass group of people we suppose to be arrogant? Makes sense.

@ethankeating1644

2 жыл бұрын

@@sgbc5863I agree

@ShepherdMinistry

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn’t your comment be considered arrogant if a Calvinist said it toward arminians ?

thank you, Brother Flowers, for this wonderful podcast, ... spot on, as always.... :-)

@17:50 Calvinism and open theism are on opposite sides of the modal fallacy coin. No matter how you flip the coin, you get the same result: "God can't know the future without causing it."

@teeemm9456

3 ай бұрын

Except you're wrong in light of who is causing what. God created everything so you can say that He is the cause of everything. But if God has free will and gave it to mankind, then by default, the causation of action is passed since we are now responsible for our actions. And God can know the future quite easily. In order for God to be eternal He must be outside of time, and if He is outside of time and is all powerful and all knowing, then He knows all time at once.

Is this passage also referred by Calvinist as process of salvation?

Brother GBY how are you? I was wondering if you can do a video explains about the woman ministries and the bible say abouted GBY ministry

Thank you.

It's like watching a movie after you had read the book. You know what's going to happen, even unto the very end, your just watching play out this time.

The plane illustration falls flat, because the pilot can only hope that everything goes well enough... so while the pilot wont say it but I'm sure he is hoping every thing goes well and everyone lands safely. God however knows what will happen... i like that the scriptures says those whom he foreknew he predestined, u realise its 2 words in the past tense, which means even if Paul meant in the past, those in the past, those he predestined which means he predestined them before hand, even if Paul was referring to the past, which he isn't. .. if he was referring to the past he would gave said those "patriarchs " I foreknew and they were destined to be conformed to the image of his son... Dr Flowers... the verse clearly said those he predestined (knew beforehand) he calls.... not the other way around...

God bless and keep fighting the good fight of faith and exposing these things in the kind and concise manner in which you do Leighton. I see many Calvinists that strongly dislike you personally for sharing the things you do. I also know many appreciate the work you put in to share what you do and all glory to God. Colossians 3:17. Calvinists claim you attack them and Calvinism and you simply attack the deception and not the person. (Romans 16:17-18 & Galatians 4:16) You expose deception because you genuinely care about people being deceived. They personally attack you because they can't refute what you are saying and the truth is too painful for some to admit as it will involve telling everyone they were fooled and wrong. Many seem to be protecting their EGO and remain blinded by pride in a state of cognitive dissonance. It's sad.

Thank you I like the shorts but the longer ones with a face actually talking well I’m old fashioned I like it better

@EssenceofPureFlavor

4 жыл бұрын

Also much more informative.

Does God not live in the “eternal present”? If so, He does not need to “look down the corridor of time” to see what a man will do.

The Greek is proorizo it means pre bound/mark/determine. To say that the forknowledge is of OT saints is true but a gross twisting as it refers to all Gods family In context after 29-30.... 31 ¶ What then shall we say to these things? If God is for US, who can be against US? 32 He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for US ALL, how shall He not with Him also freely give US all things? 33 Who shall bring a charge against God’s ELECT? It is God who justifies. To use the Aorist tense is a gross twisting. God did all things in eternity past, he rested from his labours and knows all his labours from the beginning. Thus he completed his saving work prior to linear time: the lamb slain from the foundation of the world

Thanks, Leighton. I have a question though. What though is meant by "glorification" that is observable to 1st-century believers? How might a 1st-century believer see that Old Testament saints were glorified? If it is not about that which is to come (as so many commentaries state), how are we to understand that? What is the glorification actually referring to...and in what way is that different from a common understanding of it yet being future for all?

@ThePristineFaith

4 жыл бұрын

The word “glorified” means to bestow honor upon someone. For instance, God glorified Abraham (Gen. 12:2-3).

@branch9422

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePristineFaith Thank you, brother :)

@davidochieng2975

4 жыл бұрын

@@ThePristineFaith Greater honor will be in heaven, when Jesus comes back to earth for those who have put their hope and trust in Him.They will see the glory of Jesus when he comes with the angels(Matthew 16:27; 25:31-34;John 17:24)

@branch9422

4 жыл бұрын

@JourneyROR Thanks. So did we miss something in this video? How does it work in what Leighton is saying in Romans 8?

@branch9422

4 жыл бұрын

@JourneyROR Meaning that Leighton believes glorified are those in heaven before they get their resurrection bodies?

As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. (Romans 11:28-29 NIV) I still believe foreknew means God had special affection toward. He loved and still loves Israel. So He sovereignly promised all Israel will be saved when the number of Gentiles reaches full. If God is not sovereign over personal salvation, how could He make such a promise through Paul?

@davidwang7212

4 жыл бұрын

If God is not sovereign over the evangelization of the whole world, how long will Israel people need to wait till the number of gentiles converts is full? 1 trillion yrs?

@quasara3168

4 жыл бұрын

Election has two applications on one side of the coin it is applied two a position or apostle,on the other side concerning salvation it is applied to people who believe in Christ thusly the are now elected,predestined,seated with Christ in heavenly places,beloved,anointed IN HIM. Faith is the discriminater and is belief not a works.

Q: WHO are the many brethren that are referred to in verse 29. If He (Jesus) was the “firstborn among many brethren” then that would obviously exclude anyone born after the cross such as you and I. When Jesus rose from the dead how could Jesus be the first born among people who didn’t exist yet? Clearly this passage is taking about those who died in faith before Christ. He was the firstborn among those people.

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

you too dense ta deals with, compact-brained

@davidochieng2975

4 жыл бұрын

The Bible says that Jesus the lamb that was slain from the beginning meaning He was the firstborn of God (Revelation 5:6;Proverbs 8:22-36)

@apilkey

4 жыл бұрын

David Ochieng yes I’m referring specifically to Romans 8:29 which states “that He might be the firstborn of many brethren.” So my question is WHO are the many brethren that the author Paul is speaking of?

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey i taught you much better, now apply the principles and kick the folly, sure

@davidochieng2975

4 жыл бұрын

@@apilkey Those that the Father will give him(John17:23-25;John 1:12-13;Hebrews 2:10-17;Colossians 1:15-20) There were people of faith who had died before Jesus came.Their sins had not yet been paid for,Jesus had to come and pay for their sins through his death so that there may be one universal body known as the holy church of Christ or the sons of God,the saints, the sons of heaven.

Thank you sir for encouraging me on my journey as a Calvinist

I like Mr. flowers. The only thing I would say is, I think you trying to quote other people who hold your position as to validated your positions is the same as the reform folks quoting Calvin Luther, RC Sproul to validate their position. at the end of the day the only validation that we need the only quoting that we should be doing, is what does scripture say. What man says doesn’t mean anything only what scripture says

I believe it is saying that God is standing in eternity future on the shores of heaven looking back at those who are now born again and describing what He did for us, those who are saved as an already accomplished reality.

How does the Calvinist redefining “foreknew” to “foreloved” help their case?

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

in every way, sure, do not you know this is craft, boy

@omnitheus5442

4 жыл бұрын

lol. Very well put... Now go Calvinist and love your neighbour. Maybe the lawyer in Luke was right who said: 'Who is my neighbour?' He is likely thinking: 'If God can pick and choose why can't I?' History repeats doesn't it...

You and James White seem to keep each other in business hehe.

Why doesn’t anyone talk about God not genuinely knowing who will or won’t get saved? I understand the omniscience of God, but if Jesus can set aside (for lack of a better term) His divine attributes, and He does not know the day nor hour of His return, then what’s preventing Him from choosing not to know who does and does not get saved? Why isn’t that just as possible as any other argument? It truly gives us free will. Otherwise, there’s some form of predestination and fatalism taking place. The idea that “God is not the determiner and does not fully know who will choose “ is philosophical. Are there Scriptures that would beck that idea up?

I lean to believe that it is the past tense and this is Paul speaking to and assuring those who have freely PUT their trust in what they learned of Christ... that just as OT saints were glorified with Christ we too will be glorified!... Maybe! 😊 Matthew 27:52 “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,” James White and others like him want every word to be about THEM!🤦‍♀️

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

oh, an spiritualismist, still, dummbbie

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@allentomas3417 You're so adorable! 😊 Romans 8:9 “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.”

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

@@KISStheSON... Death and Its Aftermath If a person dies, the life force he had is gone and he no longer exists anywhere in any form. He stays dead (figuratively, “asleep”) until he is “awakened” from the dead by the Lord Jesus. All dead Christians will be awakened at the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ to meet the Church in the air and be judged for rewards. Old Testament and Tribulation believers will be awakened at the coming of the Lord to the earth. Everyone else who has ever lived will be awakened after the Millennial Kingdom and judged for either everlasting life or everlasting death. The only hope for all those who have died is their resurrection from the dead by the Lord Jesus Christ, himself the “firstborn from among the dead” (Col. 1:18). Just about every religion on earth teaches that when you die you go to some kind of paradise, or some kind of hell, or somewhere in between, but is that what happens? The word is clear on this subject. Psalm 6:5 For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks? It says that there is no remembrance of anyone who has died. This verse is talking about the remembrance, the memories, the thoughts and consciousness of those who have died. After someone has died they cannot remember God, and nor can they thank him for anything. Psalm 146:4 His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish. When you take your last breath, your life has gone and at that moment your thoughts are no more. You have no more consciousness, which means absolutely no thoughts or emotions. That is logical because you are dead, and dead, by definition, means dead, it does not mean alive. Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten (their memory, their thoughts are gone). Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. This supports the truth of Psalm 146:4 - there is absolutely nothing awaiting anyone in the grave other than death, a state of nothingness. Psalm 30:9 What profit is there in my blood, when I go down to the pit? Shall the dust praise thee? shall it declare thy truth? Forget about going to be with God and enjoying a party in heaven when you die. The dead go into the grave, they do not party in heaven. Psalm 115:17 The dead praise not the LORD, neither any that go down into silence. People who believe they live immediately after they die, or go to be with Jesus, have been deceived. Those who teach that when you die you go to heaven, to hell, or to purgatory, either have no understanding of the scriptures or they are liars. 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Now ask yourself, if when you die you go to heaven, why would Jesus Christ have to come back to earth for you? If you are already alive, how could God raise you from the dead? If you were alive, there would be no need to raise you from the dead because you would already be alive. The teaching that when you die you don't really die has no scriptural basis. In this context, it is intriguing to recall the first lie ever recorded in the bible, way back in Genesis. Genesis 3:1-4 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: There you go - the first lie in the bible is that when you die you don't really die. God said they would die, the devil told Eve she would not die. This is still the biggest lie in the world today. All religions teach that when you die you go to some place called heaven, or you go to some burning hell, or to some place in between called limbo or purgatory. It is all lies. When people die, they are dead, they do not go anywhere except into a grave. Anyone who teaches otherwise has no knowledge of scripture or they are liars. The second death is not life! The soul is not immortal. This is the oldest LIE from Satan!

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@allentomas3417 I'm not in a religion...I'm in Christ and when the body dies that's where I will still BE! My body will go to the grave, BUT because I was circumcised from the flesh made of dust, the ME will BE in Christ. NOTHING will separate me from God NOTHING, not even the grave! My body will "sleep" and be resurrected before the antichrist is revealed and I will be reunited with a glorified body...until then I will be nice a cozy hid in Christ! I am not a body made of dust, I am what is IN this flesh. I despise this flesh, I love ME and so does God. He would not leave ME in the grave with this rotting flesh. You are misunderstanding something that is KEY: Psalm 6:5 For IN DEATH there is no remembrance of thee: I am not IN death...I am IN Christ who is very much ALIVE! 😊 The "dead" are those whose spirit's were not quickened by the Holy Spirit. There are the "dead in Christ" and there are "the dead in Adam/death". 1 John 3 14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth IN death. Luke 9:60 “Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.” Let's go back a verse in 1 Thess 4...14 For if we (who are alive in the flesh) believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep IN Jesus will God BRING WITH HIM. Comprehendo? Where are they sleeping...in the grave or IN Jesus? They already MET Jesus...it's those who are alive that will MEET Jesus in the air...The bodies of ALL in Christ will be glorified in the twinkling of an eye! 😉 "Wherefore comfort one another with these words."🤗 P.S. Satan says to those IN Christ, "thou shalt surely DIE"!......Fear monger! 😒 I'm not frightened by his LIES! You must notice that Adam and Eve were made perfect and they could have lived bodily forever...they were told that if they ate the lies of Satan that they would die and they did eat his lies and they remained alive bodily but they died in spirit. To die in spirit means that God is not IN you and you are not IN God because you have been separated by sin. Sin began to eat away their flesh because that's where sin lives. Sin can't touch what we were made inside the flesh, LIVING souls! Here's the deal! You either KNOW God by his Spirit or you don't. You are either IN God by his Spirit or in death. Romans 8:9 “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.” Do you know God? What is his name?

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@allentomas3417 Allen:" if a person dies, the life force he had is gone and he no longer exists anywhere in any form." words are spirit: Oh really? Because God is my "life source". Are you implying that God is gone because my filthy flesh no longer exists? My flesh was NEVER my "life" source. God was always my life source...he made us living souls, not the bodies we are wearing for a time. The immortal body must put on immortality and mine will because I trust in his promise and I believe that he is able to do that which he promises! In the meantime, I'm tucked in nice and cozy with Christ! Colossians 3:3 For ye ARE dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. My life source keeps us here as long as the body can handle because HE has some work to do getting his message into the world THROUGH the use of our sanctified vessels.

Why is it that Calvinists, when not dealing directly with Calvinism, sound like non-Calvinists?

What about multile timelines? See breaking evil timelines prayer of dan dival from Brides international ministries.

wow . that is great. continue your work:)

The God who Himself created time is not a captive of His own construct, as we are. Past, present and future have no impact on Him. Why do we argue over such basic concepts? If God is not affected by time, then He doesn't "have to do anything" to know anything

What God knows in a general, corporate way, He also knows specifically and individually: personally. Why would He not? So hurray for the despised Wesleyan approach. This sounds more like an agenda of man to depersonalize our faith, the same old "body life" versus individual salvation. When He foreknew us corporately, why would it not include foreknowing us, the individual people who would receive Him? Because God is too busy or can't be bothered? No, that's man, a politician or CEO. We sure need to realize that not everything is about us or to us, but what God has given to individuals, He certainly hasn't revoked those things. He has made His salvation for whosoever will, but He calls us by name. When we receive Him, it is as individuals that we believe. Only individuals can believe; only individuals can repent. Only as individuals can we have consciences. Groups are infamous for how poor they are at having a conscience. Usually, a mob only returns to having consciences, as individuals remember that they are individually accountable, and drop out of the mob activity, one by one.

"Those He foreknew" refers to who God had known in the past - ISRAEL. People get this wrong because they lose Paul's train of thought in the previous 7 chapters. Paul tells us that he is addressing the Jews in the Roman church but as usual nobody is listening unless their ears get tickled. And that is why Paul he goes on to say: I say then, God has not rejected HIS PEOPLE, has He? May it never be! For I too am an ISRAELITE, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not rejected His people WHOM HE FOREKNEW. Rom 11.

a "christian' saying I knew I needed saving from my sins is to me the most arrogant statement one could make

God has blessed us with an intelligent mind, as He too is an intelligent Being created us in His image ans likeness, with a free will to boot. So yes, we can accept His covenant. Yet at the same time, we are unable to enter into it because we are preoccupied with our own and separate desires that we will never attempt to even seek that which we do not need, for we have what we desire, even though ignorant of the truth. What man is ignorant of is that he is headed to destruction but this loving God has a plan for him and despite his proud heart and relentless resistance, His loving God will, like a Father, make a way to accomplish His predetermined plan, of peace and not of evil and expected end. To accomplish His will and not the will and desire of a stubborn son, He will need to intervene and lead him to do the right thing and follow His faithful and loving plan for him to find life, so that His election might stand it is His will alone that will be done. How exactly does God choose? He said sacrifice He did not desire but mercy. Election is in this, that whoever humbles themselves and desires mercy for his disobedience will be chosen.

@davidochiengbuoga7165

Ай бұрын

Humans don't have the freewill over God.They are vessels of God and He uses them as He wishes.

@MyRoBeRtBaKeR

Ай бұрын

@@davidochiengbuoga7165 Your evil, your saying God creates evil. Know, He uses our evil for our good. What we mean for evil He uses for the good. He told Adam not to eat from the tree, yet he did. For you to be right that would make God a lie and the author of evil.

@MyRoBeRtBaKeR

Ай бұрын

@davidochiengbuoga7165 A man devises his way in his own heart, but it is the Lord directs his steps. Free will is the ability to make our own choices good or bad, yet it is God that will use them for His own purpose and plan. Vessels of honor and vessels of dishonor, all for His glory hallelujah Revelation 12:11 King James Version 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

I have only two issues with this interpretation of the passage at hand. One slight and one more major. The first issue is that when the text says "firstborn," that seems to imply that Jesus was the first of the brothers, not one on in a successive line of brothers that came before Him. The second issue I have is that, if the series of events that Paul write have already happened those that God knew in the past, why does it say that they were glorified? No one was glorified before Christ, Rather, we will be gloried in the last day (Tit 2:13; 1 Tim 6:14). Please correct me if I am mistakes with anything I am saying here.

I still can't get over you having Andy Stanley on your show...he teaches heresy. Have you never heard his teaching regarding the old testament and Christians? BTW, don't talk so fast.

There is a much simpler understanding of foreknow....WHOM DOES GOD FOREKNOW? or put another way WHOM DOES GOD NOT FOREKNOW? God foreknows everyone!!!!!!!!! The free choice of the anyone to believe and follow Christ are all foreknown by Christ already, and is conformed to the image of Christ! ALL PEOPLE everywhere....but only those that choose to follow Christ are saved!

Caricature * 😁😁👍

I don't see a difference between Calvinists and Arminians… Arminius was a Calvinist. Follow Jesus... who knows already if you will or not. But you do have free will... which salvation does not cancel.

@allentomas3417

4 жыл бұрын

you agin!

this guy just doesn't give up

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

Philip Tecson I pray to God that he never gives up...although, I don't believe he ever WILL! 😉 Colossians 1:28 “Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:” We don't get IN him until after we are warned and taught in all wisdom. In order to learn, we must be willing to HEAR and follow instructions. Proverbs 1 "A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:...The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction." Psalms 2:12 “Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.” God's doctrine of grace: PUT your trust IN the faith of Christ Jesus....Done!

God created time, therefore God stands outside of time.

Just said that we don't understand how God has his omniscience. But before that you said we don't know how God learns. God being mastered by his creation which is what is required in order to learn from it is a serious issue. Christ did not learn from creation but rather he did what he saw his father doing. The datum of the logos was not altered by the creation. If it had been, it would be subordinate to it. You are dangerously close to Spinoza.

Pre destination is Awsome! God knows all !

Neo Calvinist Baptists first generation are more obnoxious with their new toy than are old classical Presbyterians. The Presbyterian doesn’t have a “shiny new toy” mentality.

Your characterization of Time and eternity takes eternity and subjugates it to time. It takes the the Father and subjugates him to his creation. In your schema, God is absolutely not all knowing and does not see all. If we constrain God to time, may we also constrain him to space? If we constrain him to space, can we also constrain him to matter/energy? There was a space, time, and body to which God was constrained. Sadly his children fight over how they're going to contain him in the concrete of determinism or a box of his own creation. I do not find my freedom to choose God in the void apart from him, apart from his knowledge, apart from his knowing. I find my freedom in him. There is no free will apart from God. Unless of course, you agree with the serpent in the garden and humanity going its own way birthed freedom in us. The actual answer is that this universe is not a closed system. It does not constrain God's nature. God, introduces freedom into the system. Just as the sun introduces energy to the Earth. If the void is the author of freedom and a will within the knowing of God is enslaved, why would we want to be more enslaved by God with him knowing us? This is the problem with your perspective, it diminishes God in order to deliver Him from judgment. It elevates the wills of those enslaved to sin equal to God. It gives them knowledge and accountability equal to God. The Pharisees were blind but because they boasted that they see, their sight was credited to them as was their sin. And so the freedom and accountability of God is credited to you and those who follow your perspective. Though God possesses more knowledge than you on the same continuum(knowledge constrained to time and experience/learning), you are on the same scale as him. If your scale is false, the praise of additional knowledge to His knowledge base will not work out well for a Holy God. Will you succeed at adding to the infinite?

Mr. Leighton is posssibly missing the truth concerning how God chooses, and He does make the choice on who He will accept into His Rest and Calvinists are correct in the unconditional grace, not election because election is conditional but grace is unconditional as grace is unmerited favor, you can do noth I ng to earn what is freely given, that no man can boast. Ephesians 2:8-9 King James Version 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Election is conditional, on the condition that you can accept the qualifications of His exclusive will. Many are called but few are chosen. Not everyone that says Lord Lord will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. UNLESS you are born of water and of Spirit. You will have to either or acveot His Gift. Let's just say, My way or the highway. Take or leave it.

Foreknowledge: to know before hand, to ordain, to know prior to, in applications of: above, ago, before and ever.

@Epic_Shotz

11 ай бұрын

Is that what it means in the Greek? Or did you just Google that?

@edsnyder2801

11 ай бұрын

That is the most accurate translation taken from the KJV and the Strongs Exhaustive Concordance Of The Bible. It all points back to the Lamp that was slain from the foundation of the world!

Always a great job Leighton- EXCEPT for the false part of your gospel giving- There is no DIRECTIVE given to ADMIT ONE IS A SINNER FOR ATTAINING SALVATION given/explained to the body of Christ in the EPISTLES ADDRESSED TO THE BODY OF CHRIST SPECIFICALLY. It is explained to believers that because of sin/ mankind being only sinners, God sent Jesus to die for our sins, etc. We are told, as you know, that the gospel is the power of God for SALVATION for everyone who believes... Romans 1:16; ...having heard the message of the truth...having believed, you were sealed with the Spirit... Eph. 1:13, ...did you receive the Spirit by doing the works of the law or by BELIEVING WHAT YOU HEARD? Gal. 3:2, ...All the prophets testify about him that everyone whoBELIEVES IN HIM RECEIVES FORGIVENESS OF SINS AND through his name. Acts 10:43, ...the RIGHTEOUSNESS OF GOD THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST for all who believe...they arenow JUSTIFIED BY HIS GRACE (GOD'S grace in verse 23) AS A GIFT... Romans 3:22,24, ...For by grace you have been saved through faith...Eph2:8, ...Then faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. Romans 10:17. These verses, altogether, instantiate that 1) a person hears the gospel- which includes the presumption that the person, and all persons, is guilty of sin 2) believes the gospel 3) receives the righteousness of God-is justified 4) receives the Holy Spirit-is regenerated/ born again 5) it is a gift of God. There is ABSOUTELY NO DIRECTIVE TO ADMIT ONE IS A SINNER TO ATTAIN SALVATION, It is FALSE to direct a person or teach a believer the ADMIT ONE IS A SINNER TO ATTAIN SALVATION! As you know- it is believing the gospel with faith- you are convinced- that it is true as God says and salvation will happen as God says, etc. Why are most who have gone to Seminary adding such a MIS-FALSE-directive to the Gospel? The plain, clear language of the Gospel- in Greek and English- is UNMITIGATED. As doctrinal bible teachers, myself and another teaching brother are having to spend too much time with this when speaking to believers these days, let alone getting them to understand the differences between the so-called gospels and epistles, law as opposed to grace, respectively different covenants, earthly working to be righteous to enter the coming kingdom verses the justification by NOT WORKING, ALREADY Spiritually entering the kingdom residing with God in heaven where our citizenship is presently, and the list goes on! Otherwise, keep plugging away!

@peterfox7663

3 жыл бұрын

If a person is not a sinner, they have no need for a savior. Christ came to atone for our sins. If a person doesn't believe that, they aren't "believing what [they] have heard".

i guess adam knowing eve was just intellectual

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

bruce mercer Blameless & Shameless Hello! Adam "knowing" Eve was a foreshadow of trust, consent, and intimacy. That's what a relationship must be built upon in order to last forever! Adam would never just force himself "into" her without first knowing that she trusts him and that she gives him concent...if not the relationship is destroyed and the intimacy is gone.

@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104

4 жыл бұрын

@@KISStheSON... we are defining a word not the standing of adam & eve who were sinners but still bore the image of God. knowing is a term for intimacy not intellectual knowledge. so thanks for your insight in saying that

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 To know God is found by taking his instructions on how to get to him. It takes knowledge to know God. You can't get to know God without the knowledge of his message. The gospel is the power unto salvation, but not everyone will believe it as soon as they hear it. At the very least His message teaches us that we should learn more about Him. Many will need to research the truth for themselves to be convinced that what they heard was the truth and worthy to PUT their TRUST in. God is patient! 😊 Proverbs 1 A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels:......The fear of the LORD is the BEGINNING of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction. Matthew 11 28 Come unto me, all ye that are weary and laden, and I will ease you. 29 Take my yoke on you, and learn of me that I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. Psalms 2:12 “Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.”

@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104

4 жыл бұрын

@@KISStheSON... the idea is God foreknowing us not us knowing Him. regeneration precedes faith otherwise one is morally incapable of saving faith because he does not desire Christ

@KISStheSON...

4 жыл бұрын

@@brucemercerblamelessshamel3104 Those he foreknew are his children of the house of Israel...Gentiles become known of God after we are persuaded by his word and/or faithful sanctified ministers who teach us to put our faith in Jesus. Galatians 4:9 “But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?” I agree...man is morally incapable of saving faith, that's WHY Jesus sacrificed himself for us. Man is incapable of obtaining God's moral law because God purposefully made us weak in the flesh. He made us weak so that we might search for strength outside of ourselves. Our weaknesses make us feel like we have the weight of the world hanging on our shoulders. God searches our hearts and when he sees that we are seeking for strength he sends his army of ministers to minister his grace to us because he knows that in our weakest moments we are willing to HEAR anything that will help us lift the weight off of our shoulders. We are TEACHABLE and HUMBLE in our search for strength. Do you HEAR it?... God slips His truth into our ears while we are willing to hear it and that plants his seed on "good ground". Luke 8 8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had SAID these things, he CRIED, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear...Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.” Proverbs 1 "A wise man will hear, and will increase learning; and a man of understanding shall attain unto wise counsels......The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.” The fear of the Lord is the BEGINNING of coming to the knowledge of the truth. If you don't know what "the fear of the Lord" is, I'll let Him teach you if you are willing to hear His voice...Proverbs 8:13 “The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.” Did you hear him? He said, the beginning of knowledge is when we reach the point that we HATE pride...and in our search for strength AGAINST the evil WAY that has placed a heavy yoke around our necks we FIND God who leads us to "The WAY" and He gives us REST and ETERNAL LIFE! Now, one more lesson if you will hear his voice...do you know WHAT eternal life is? It's something we never had until we finally heard the truth and PUT our trust IN Him...John 17:3 “And THIS is life eternal, that they might KNOW thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.” It's quite beautiful...He saves us when we needed Him the most. He's right there at the end of our rope! For this he receives praise and worship and all the glory goes to God! Matthew 11 GNV 28 Come unto me, all ye that are weary and laden, and I will ease you. 29 Take my yoke on you, and learn of me that I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden light. There you go...THAT is his CALL to ALL that are weary! So I guess you can say that all we need to "do" is get to the end of ourselves and then he saves us IN our humility and then he PUTS us IN Christ for refuge. 2 Chronicles 34:27 “BECAUSE thine heart was tender, and thou didst humble thyself before God, when thou heardest his words against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, and humbledst thyself before me, and didst rend thy clothes, and weep before me; I have even heard thee also, saith the LORD.”

It is an echo chamber.

I'll make my critique simple. Have you bound God, both his attributes and his character, to logical necessity?

God foreknew Adam and Eve would disobey and yet God didn't cause their disobedinece. God can foreknow if we will obey or disobey without being the cause of what we do or don't do. God can foreknow if someone will ultimately accept or reject His offer of salvation by grace through faith without being the cause of someone accepting or rejecting the free gift.

Does it not bother anyone else that he pronounces it "SO- CHREE-OLOGY"?

What God chose in Christ? Were those souls whom God determined were to become the Bride of Christ when they believed. Moses was not chosen in Christ. He will not be the Bride of Christ in his resurrection. God sovereignly chose out of all the souls he always has known would want to believe, only certain souls to be found in Christ when they believed. None of the OT prophets were foreordained to be alive to believe during the Church age. They were not chosen in Christ before the foundations of the world. Its not about choosing who to save. Its choosing in what manner they will find themselves believing. Abraham simply believed in the Lord and was counted as righteousness. But, Abraham was chosen for eternity on the new earth, not a home in heaven uniquely reserved for the Lord's Bride.... Its all about God choosing what to do with all the souls He always knew would believe when presented what was needed to find faith in God! God does not make anyone believe. God makes those who believe to fit into a certain domain of His choosing. Calvin was a bit cross eyed and stubborn because he could not sort it out.

Please don’t ever say joe blow again

God foreknowing absolutely everything that ultimately comes to pass in no way necessitates God predeterming and being the CAUSE of everything God foreknew including salvation. God can foreknow what we will ultimately choose or if we will accept or reject His salvific offer without being the cause of whether some believe and others are withheld from having an,ability to believe once hearing God's inspired Word.

Lost me, no compelling arguments here. False precepts . What's the core issue? Regeneration... when?

There is only one problem with your interpretation: where do we see God conforming anyone in the "past" to the image of Christ? We see this has part of the Holy Spirits work in NT believers. Also, Paul is talking about the present afflictions and how they don't compare to the glory that is going to be revealed. Then he moves on to talking about how the creation itself longs for the culmination of all things. Then he moves on to the Holy Spirits help in our prayers when we don't know how to. Then he assures us all things work together for our good. At that point YOU say we can know all things will work for good by looking to the past. But is that what Paul is trying to communicate? Seems to me he is saying we know all things work together for good to those who love God and who are "called" according to his purposes because those who were "called" were foreknown and predestined to be conformed to christ image. With that being said, which is more likely going to give us assurance: looking back into Israel's past or embracing the wonderful truth God has always been working for our good even before we were born? Thanks, but I think I'll stick to calvanism ✌🏻

What you are saying is very twisted very wrong...the passage in Romans 9:10-13 says it... 10 And not only this, but also when Rebekah conceived from one, from Isaac our father 11 (for they had not yet been born, nor had they yet done either good or evil, so that God's purpose according to the election would remain, not by works but by what he calls), 12 she was told: The older shall serve the younger. 13 As it is written: Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. YOU ARE A FALSE TEACHER

@JamesLee-pb6dl

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And you are a false believer

James White is a joke.

@allentomas3417

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oh, i loves jokes

This video is confusing and really isn't helpful to understand the scripture listed.

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