Ford vs Chevy MPG Verdict! Here’s How the F-250 7.3L V8 Compares to the Silverado V8 Towing & Not!
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@TFLtruck4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Check out our road trip MPG results with a 4.30 rear differential on TFLnow: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIOZ0ZN7prS9eqQ.html and our off-road Tremor gas vs. diesel comparison on TFLoffroad: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5ugxtyHmti9oto.html
@buildriteconstruction2690
4 жыл бұрын
The Fast Lane Truck Did Ford lower the ride height on the 2020 super duties?
@cody1777
4 жыл бұрын
@@buildriteconstruction2690 yes, I believe I saw that they did. Something like an 1" in the front and 1 1/4" in the back.
@cody1777
4 жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever done a milage test comparing tailgate up versus down? They would be interesting to see in addition to doing that test with a cap also.
@andrewhannah8015
4 жыл бұрын
cody grillaert MythBusters did the tailgate up or down test. Leave the tailgate up for better mpg
@cody1777
4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewhannah8015 I know they did, I'd like to see TFL do it and introduce a cap to the comparison.
@bearatts4 жыл бұрын
That amazes me, these new heavy-duty trucks get better fuel economy than my 2004 hemi 1500, technology has come a long way in 16 years.
@Rift45
4 жыл бұрын
bearatts Was thinking the same thing! My 2004 Hemi 1500 got 15 empty
@brianhilligoss
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah my 6.2 Silverado gets 14 combined average per tank of mixed use. Best was 18 on the interstate with a good tail wind.
@johncholmes643
4 жыл бұрын
Not very hard to beat a Dodge hemi with anything
@Rift45
4 жыл бұрын
My 2015 Hemi on the other hand got 21.5 on a long flat trip at 60-65mph
@kenleycarlton7562
4 жыл бұрын
Have the exact same truck. Hemi 04. 240k miles now
@nathankestin19224 жыл бұрын
Finally the Embargo is over!! Can't wait to see more videos about this truck! Keep up the consistent hard work TFL!!
@nateyoung6331
4 жыл бұрын
5 star will have their tuned numbers soon.
@TFLtruck
4 жыл бұрын
We will publish more Super Duty videos soon.
@hendo337
4 жыл бұрын
@@TFLtruck why did they embargo the 7.3 when it was readily for sale on lots and you bought it yourselves? Just seems like the dinosaur print media or whoever Ford was protecting from being scooped has too much lead time and is just proving why new internet media is eating their lunch.
@marvinnicklas7638
4 жыл бұрын
@@TFLtruck when will you post the Ike Gauntlet videos for the f250 7.3?
@jasonguy65724 жыл бұрын
When towing. Ford 7.3 = 5.65mpg Chevy 6.5 = 6.9 Unloaded Chevy = 16.0 mpg Ford = 15.1
@HVAC_Jae
3 жыл бұрын
@Dylan Church Chevy has the new 6.6L gas V8. Add: yes 6.6L not 6.0 or 6.5
@cup_and_cone4 жыл бұрын
Smaller engine Chevy with less geared six speed still did better, despite a slightly heavier trailer... Now that's impressive.
@brandonhouse9722
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I like how he added at the end how the Chevy trailer was heavier.
@matthewrobertson156
4 жыл бұрын
Based on differential gearing it was able to haul more than this Ford was rated because the Chevy was a 3.73 differential gear versus the Ford 3.55. Don't forget that you're using winter gas and running the heater.
@freedomisntfree_44
4 жыл бұрын
Cup & Cone gm is weaker there fore not as much fuel
@aarons3008
4 жыл бұрын
Also the Chevrolet managed that better mpg despite the fact that they used 85 octane (with 10% ethanol) yet for some reason on the Ford they gave it 87 (without ethanol) even though both manufacturers say 87 minimum. I'd imagine if the Chevrolet had gotten the equal fuel it would have been an even larger margin of difference.
@EricFortuneJr.
4 жыл бұрын
Matthew Robertson The heat won’t affect fuel economy unless the defrost is on, fuel type maybe, weather conditions for sure and gearing as well.
@ctapmgriley4 жыл бұрын
If port injection is "old school" I guess carbureted is "prehistoric".
@lubesiron-cslfarmsllc2751
4 жыл бұрын
The tech manuals for carburetors are either chiseled in stone tablets or cave paintings. Lol
@foxbodyguyeightyeight3672
3 жыл бұрын
That's my problem with the people doing these reviews, they judge trucks on things they don't understand they aren't mechanic's or run fleets and look at downtime numbers. They just blurt out things they don't really understand and everyone walks in lock step based off of it.
@Doomzdayxx
2 жыл бұрын
That's a fair categorization. And throttle body injection would be "ancient"
@SurelyYewJest4 жыл бұрын
Wow. Didn't expect that outcome. Obviously they can't really match the rear gearing between the 2 brands, but 15.1 out of the Ford on the new 10-speed versus 16.0 out of the Chevy on the old 6-speed. That's an impressive finish for Chevy's new 6.6.
@Thirty-OughtSick
Жыл бұрын
I mean the 350 has a 3.73
@1134EMP4 жыл бұрын
Not bad, 20 years ago, I used to have a 97 4x4 f250 with the 7.5L, a 5 speed manual and 3.55 gears. Best mpg I ever got was 13.5. This was with 285/75r16 tires. Most of the time 11-12mpg. That engine was rated 245hp and 410tq. So now we get more power and better economy.
@kinguin7
Жыл бұрын
I've got one with 4.10 gears, 5 speed, stock tire size and it's getting between 10 and 12 usually...
@davidhorne23264 жыл бұрын
Both of them get better empty mpg’s than my ‘05 Tundra! But it’s paid for and suits my need.
@tonynw318
4 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the same about my 2012 4.6l tundra... I've been getting 13.5mpg
@robertsitch1415
4 жыл бұрын
The gearing on those trucks makes them burn more fuel than you would expect.
@davidhorne2326
4 жыл бұрын
Si Raff I bought the truck new,and was going on the Toyota reliability. And that has proved true. If I had to buy a new truck it would probably be a Toyota. I worked at a local Chevy dealer until just recently, and saw a lot of issues with the new Chevy’s. The more bells and whistles, the more problems.
@shaunbeach9502
4 жыл бұрын
A 2019 tundra probably won't be able to get any better gas mileage either.
@davidhorne2326
4 жыл бұрын
Shaun Beach that’s true. Toyota needs to get the mpg’s up.
@APGJuggernaut4 жыл бұрын
They should've tested these two with the same trailer, on the same day. Guess we'll see how it does on the ike gauntlet.
@samthompson3184
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, this video is utterly pointless if they didn't do it in the same day, same trailer, etc.
@joshuaearnheart2756
4 жыл бұрын
This channel has always been a wee bit biased towards GM. All these comments talking about fuel economy are quite annoying. A Toyota Prius gets better gas mileage than almost anything. But that’s the only thing it does better.
@Bmc1025
4 жыл бұрын
I am a diehard GM guy and I agree. I still see the GM doing better MPG but I think it would have been close enough it wouldn't be a selling point.
@APGJuggernaut
4 жыл бұрын
I do agree that the constant fuel mileage comments can get annoying, especially from private owners that should be fully aware of the cost to operate a full size truck. But given that the 7.3 is intended to be a reliable and economical motor for commercial and fleet operators, grading it heavily on its fuel economy is warranted. I don't think the ratings were terrible given the testing conditions and elevation. But I was expecting it to get a little closer to the Chevys numbers.
@APGJuggernaut
4 жыл бұрын
@@Bmc1025 Tow rating, at least to me, seem to vary a lot truck to truck even within the same models. I'll say this much, its getting better mileage than the Ecoboost F-150 I used to own. Loved that truck and the power as much as it loved gas
@JHuffPhoto4 жыл бұрын
Interesting result. The result is consistent with what I would expect. Chevy does a very good job of squeezing efficiency out of their vehicles. However, I would not let a relatively small (really within the margin of error) difference in fuel economy be the deciding factor between these two trucks. There are many other considerations in my opinion. Either vehicle would be a good choice and I think that personal preference in styling and design will likely be big factors in peoples purchasing choices.
@franciscoorozco41464 жыл бұрын
I have always said it, ford’s numbers on paper are always the best, but in real world everything changes
@marvinsauer84933 жыл бұрын
It is pretty tough to split mpg tests over several days. Each leg of tests, on both trucks, should be done under near identical ambient conditions, meaning that each leg should be performed at nearly same time on same day. Temperature, atmospheric pressure, humidity, wind and fuel mix all play a role.
@dennyhall69
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad I am not the only one that seen that. It is harder for a large truck to push through cold air. I noticed that they was bundled up when testing the f250
@nilsjohansson97394 жыл бұрын
The 7.3 is kind of falling short in every category for me. Less torque than I expected, less fuel efficientcy than I expected so far. The Chevy is actually doing quite well considering its using a 6 speed.
@kennethbranscum2738
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. I was hoping the MPG would be a little better with a 10 speed.
@gen-x-zeke8446
4 жыл бұрын
Do you realize that they did that to get an "out-of-the gate" number, right? People are going to be modifying the heck out of these monsters anyway. I am rare, I love Ford and Chevy and I feel like they make each other greater. I am more of a Ford dude, but I am impressed with RAM's 6.4 HEMI as well. What a trio, 6.4, 6.6, 7.3 like the good old days of big power.
@JsGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Christopher Williams 6.4 Hemi is much more appealing with its new 8 speed. The old 66RFE held it back quite a bit not even having a true 6 speed ratio spread.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
They tested the Tremor on the Dyno, not a good choice for a true dyno test. They would have been better off testing the one in this video on the dyno. The 10 speed is better suited to the 3.55 gearing than the 4.10 or whatever it was on the Tremor. When you look at the dyno on the 6.7 with the 10 speed and 3.55 gears the numbers were off the chart.
@bryane2857
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamespenner1412 In nearly all the Ikes the Chevy out performs in the HD .
@paullang15054 жыл бұрын
$53,000 for any pickup truck is ridiculous and gluttonous. The rate that pickup truck prices have risen is absolutely crazy. I hope someone takes a serious look at this... It's right in line of paying $100 for sliced up jeans...
@Spahi77
4 жыл бұрын
I agree....I bought my 15 Duramax ccsb for 51k out the door in Feb of 2015 it was 63k sticker....it was a bit high at the time, but when I see a similarly equipped truck today is close to 80k sticker.....yes, it's glutinous or as some might say, capitalism/ supply/ demand. Definitely not inflation at work. No way can I grabbed a LTZ today in the 50k range...it will correct.
@gregoryfuller9361
4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. I personally don't need a brand new vehicle . If I had the money for a diesel or gas hd truck I'd go between 2005 to 2010 if I could swing it. 50,000 f150's I mean really . Not knocking Ford btw they're all doing it now.
@royrichardson9164
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing but FACTS! idk care how they are optioned out and how great they try and make them out to be...
@ridethetiger1895
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah they are a lot of money but if you count in inflation even my 2001 F150 sticker prices was just under 32k new and adjusted for inflation its 48k in 2019 money. Considering all the technology and advances it's really not that bad, it's the cost of living and wages that have not kept up with cost of things.
@dreadnoughtprime6301
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you base your statement on. What do you think they should cost and why?
@josephfarrah5794 жыл бұрын
Love Ford bringing big displacement back but I'm with Andre on this one, I expected better.
@ronaldpalma98124 жыл бұрын
I just can’t get over how damn ugly those chevys are. Goodness!!
@JS-nd1po
4 жыл бұрын
It’s great that we have these truck wars as it helps the consumer. I do have to agree that Chevys are butt ass ugly.
@treykolski9411
4 жыл бұрын
Also thought that but now that I’ve seen in it person really changed my opinion
@treykolski9411
4 жыл бұрын
J S lot better looking in person in my opinion
@BrackishMongrel
4 жыл бұрын
Right! It looks like they just threw their hands in the air and gave up on coming up with a better design.
@DragonKnightX12
4 жыл бұрын
Saw one in person, it didn’t too bad. The GMC still looks miles better.
@buckhorncortez4 жыл бұрын
Depending upon the wind - that can really kill mileage. My F350 with a camper averages 12.3 with no wind. On a windy day the mileage can go as low as 9.5 MPG. You need to re-run the test on a day with no wind if you can do that.
@stevenblake6939
2 жыл бұрын
It was windy for the Chevy too!
@theninja0014 жыл бұрын
These MPG numbers just make me want to hold on to my 1996 Cummins 12v even more! Lol
@jonybravo5650
4 жыл бұрын
What's your mpgs?
@happydoggs
4 жыл бұрын
With my 06 duramax dually towing a 31k lb trailer of hay I got 9.8 mpg on a 77 mile trip with several decent sized hills. And I get about 15 mpg on the same loop with a 15k lb stock trailer. So this test surprised me with how awful the gas mileage is with these modern gas engines towing a trailer
@gbrewer1296
4 жыл бұрын
MPG will get better as they break in for sure lol
@scaircrow64
4 жыл бұрын
Hey me too!! With the 4x4, 5 speed 3.50 gears I get 16 city and 20.3 highway unloaded at 65 mph! What in the world is ford doing?!
@chrisdavenport6585
4 жыл бұрын
@@happydoggs probably not by much.
@bradenreed11524 жыл бұрын
What concerns me is longevity on these 8 and 10 speeds, they do a lot more shifting especially pulling or driving in the hills. Maybe I'm wrong but my basic knowledge on transmissions make me thing more shifting= more wear and potentially more heat?
@workct4102
Жыл бұрын
I have not noticed that. From a 4spd to a 10 spd, 5.4 to a 3.5 EB, the newer truck does stay in 8th most of my towing trips, but the power difference in the engines allows it to stay put, where the 5.4 would kick to 3rd and rev to 4k. Haven't needed the 3.5 up that high yet.
@4-LOW4 жыл бұрын
I just can't believe GM made their truck look like a catfish.
@talon0863
4 жыл бұрын
lol
@Onechrispbacon
4 жыл бұрын
The mustang looks more like a catfish lol
@peytonschuldt1045
4 жыл бұрын
That good sir..... Is spot on.. lol. And I have a chevy..
@frankd.39854 жыл бұрын
Air temperature also makes quite a bit of difference in MPG comparisons. I used to have a Ford extended E-350 with a V-10. In cold weather (20 degrees F) it'd get about 13 MPG with about 3500# of cargo. In 70 degree weather, it'd be up to 16 MPG. If your comparing MPG you have to keep the conditions the same as possible. Also the MPG with a gas engine may be lower, but cost of maintenance and intital cost compared to a diesel is also lower. I've got a diesel that I pull my 5th wheel camper with and I love it, but I don't think you ever get you money back. Thank you for all of your great tests.
@gjolinares23
2 жыл бұрын
If you did that’s amazing. Those numbers sound quite a bit over shot though. Are you sure you did the math right? The V-10s were said to be around 10mpg empty and drop when hauling weren’t they?
@treverb31834 жыл бұрын
You can't compare tests from different times of year. You need to take into account winter fuel and summer fuel blends. Also air temperature will affect fuel milage. To compare they need to be tested at the same time under the same conditions with the same fuel.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. A truer test would have been them running side by side at the same time, pulling the same weight(GCVW), and then compare. Considering both test runs of the F250 were into the wind accounts for something as well as the winter blend fuel.
@wiks101
4 жыл бұрын
@@acdii um they drove a loop so one way was into the wind and the other would be with the wind at your back. so it all cancels its out.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
@@wiks101 Did they have the same with the other truck? If not, then not a true comparison. Besides, a head wind can really affect MPG more than a tail wind, so it wont really cancel it out unless the tail wind is at least 10 MPH more.
@T51B1
4 жыл бұрын
@@acdii What a geographical and physics oddity--Into the wind down AND back, in a down and back comparison!
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
@@T51B1 Where did you read they had a head wind both ways? Did they really?
@lamboguy79644 жыл бұрын
That silverado won the JD power awards for the most ugliest truck ever made!
@k3v015Mk
4 жыл бұрын
Hey an award is an award
@philtripe
4 жыл бұрын
@@leonardrice1500 the Ford ...with the bigger, faster motor? must be one of those fake news people that see facts and just come to the opposite conclusion
@justinw.2376
4 жыл бұрын
Just think, GM paid JD power to give them that award lol
@davidk1850
4 жыл бұрын
Where's the annoying guy in the commercial talking about the initial ugly award? lol
@fargonianproductions2767
4 жыл бұрын
2big 2fail who cares if the motor is bigger or faster, the Chevy can tow more
@themartimus17484 жыл бұрын
If the 7.3 coupled up with a 4.30 rear end is any thing like my 6.2 gas it will do great.
@TheMCD1989
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a '19 F350 with the 6.2 and 4.30s, so far I love it the only complaint is the god awful mileage. Coming from a 2005 Cummins towing on the highway leaves something to be desired but anything under 50/55 I think the 6.2 is as good if not better than the 6 speed common rail.
@themartimus1748
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it took me some time gettin use to a gas motor but I’ve had mine for 5 years now and it’s been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. It’s got 149000 miles on it and I pull constantly. I’m off road a lot with me job to. I’ve put on 1 front axle , battery. And brakes. Other than that change the oil ($26) and that’s it.
@georgiafan6618
4 жыл бұрын
The 4.30 would help.
@themartimus1748
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah man. I like the 4.30
@Danlovestrivium
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMCD1989 That's where the 10 speed might come in.
@RobbDzzz4 жыл бұрын
Since it’s mostly a freeway loop, the weight had less to do with economy than the winds and temps. The comparison to the GM at this point is purely anecdotal. Need same trailer and load with same atmospherics to get a reasonable comparison.
@billiebuckamer8189
4 жыл бұрын
GMs get better real world gas mileage.
@RobbDzzz
4 жыл бұрын
Billie Buckamer based on what evidence?
@anthonyhales4192
4 жыл бұрын
@@billiebuckamer8189 I agree but its god awful ugly.
@anthonyhales4192
4 жыл бұрын
My 99 f250 gets 9mpg. ( lifted 33s) empty. I could care less its a great truck. A good engine will only cost you fuel thats it
@chiefbeef2947
4 жыл бұрын
Robb M the video
@msokes94 жыл бұрын
Good video, interesting results. Both ford and Chevy will still be my favorite 2 truck brands
@marcojordan1368
4 жыл бұрын
Chevy is my favorite trucks
@liljohnny2.065
4 жыл бұрын
Chevy and ford are the best.
@msokes9
4 жыл бұрын
Lil Johnny2.0 agreed
@GoOutdoorsMore54204 жыл бұрын
48 gallon tank! I I can hear my bank account screaming now 😅
@mdingle11
4 жыл бұрын
Sure it's a large tank but it uses the same amount of fuel if not less than a tundra which has a 26 gallon tank. Less stops needed to fill up.
@GoOutdoorsMore5420
4 жыл бұрын
Micheal Dingle agreed.👍
@justinw.2376
4 жыл бұрын
Micheal Dingle id still hate to be looking at the screen at the pump when I’m filling up from 1/4 tank lol
@loganholmberg2295
4 жыл бұрын
Gives you allot more range when you need it. My 2014 Sierra 1500 has only 26 gal and I wish it had 30 or more. I've taken it to places in Northern Canada with long distances between fuel stops. Which makes me wonder. How big was the fuel tank on the Chevy they tested? All that extra fuel weight might account for the difference in fuel economy.
@unitedgray
4 жыл бұрын
@@loganholmberg2295 Agreed. I love the 36 gal tank on my F-150.
@jedibusiness7894 жыл бұрын
CHEVY WINS AGAIN....nothing beats a LS motor. I get the same mileage with a 6.0 w a 4.10.
@donaldthomas5852
3 жыл бұрын
MK I have 6.0 with 3.73 and it gets about the same pulling but empty 14 mpg it has 197,000 miles on the engine
@mesanders1113
3 жыл бұрын
I used to have a 2000 chevy 2500 4x4 6.0 4l80 it got 12mpg on the freeway
@R85DAVID
3 жыл бұрын
I love Ford but their engines are over complicated and break down more easily. Chevy is smart, small block pushrod v8’s will never die as long as they keep it simple.
@smsteger89
3 жыл бұрын
4.10 gearing sucks though
@mikcun2799
3 жыл бұрын
The 6.6l l8t they tested here was actually not a LS engine. They are a fifth generation sbc like the 6.2l, but are stroked to 6.6l. So they are in the new "LT" engine family.
@jonnycash69094 жыл бұрын
Good review. Thanks. Thinking instead of new truck, reinvest in my truck. 96 F. 250 w/460. I can save lil gas and a lot of 💰 when new one is 50K
@mikehaslett3738
2 жыл бұрын
There is a good video from bad tree productions on one of their trucks. Look it up. They did a Holley sniper throttle body with the factory efi on the 460. Actually worked really well. I think they were around 15/16mpg on it. And a considerable power gain
@taylor55424 жыл бұрын
Considering it's a brick. 15 mpg ain't bad. The chev has a better drag coefficient. I think it'll even out on the ike, when aero is not a factor. 🤙🏻
@tcmtech7515
4 жыл бұрын
But whats it real world power and MPG numbers once the limp mode comes on due to whatever $1000+ emissions component of the week going out, since that's pretty much how every diesel I have seen built in the last nearing 10 years actually spends most of it life opperatiing running as? OH, wait! It's not a diesel so it doesn't have that problem! :D
@billstewart24334 жыл бұрын
It shows that V8's are the same as they were 50 (or more) years ago, unloaded 15 mpg. Nothing new under the sun. :)
@snikesnover1831
4 жыл бұрын
bill stewart and that will be $53,000 thanks here are the keys
@jakecreech1659
4 жыл бұрын
Bill you gotta remember that these engines have almost twice the output and the trucks weigh 30 percent more than the old ones. I understand what you are getting at though.
@Sorensenator86
4 жыл бұрын
@@jakecreech1659 ya bill
@smiller225
4 жыл бұрын
Except new trucks have twice the power output, way more towing capacity, quicker acceleration better everything and probably better fuel economy
@Andy-eh9qr
4 жыл бұрын
The new trucks are also at the mercy of the EPA. They’d use half the fuel otherwise.
@darens4404 жыл бұрын
Once again GM proves to have the best gas V8. The rest of the truck is still up for debate. I must say ford did good for port injection.
@rustynail914
4 жыл бұрын
Chevy makes a great truck.....this year's front end and mirrors just look like hot garbage.
@icu_corey_rn_903
4 жыл бұрын
I’ll hand it to GM they know how to make a solid gas v8 they’ve been doing it since the small block Chevy days
@keithwalters2511
4 жыл бұрын
I have a 2500 Chevy heavy duty. Mirrors are awesome for visibility around them. The chrome front looks much better. Absolutely love my truck
@stacyadiaz
4 жыл бұрын
I loved the longevity of my old 6.0 gas in the 2500HD I had but the 6.2 gas in my current F-250 pulls much stronger. I wished GM wouldn't have waited so long to upgrade the 6.0
@EliteFlight
4 жыл бұрын
Arnold D The 6.0 were junk motors. I’ve known people who have blown em up before the 150k mark.
@LondonHasFallin4 жыл бұрын
My father has a 2014 Ford F150. It averages 13mpg. Without a load. (Edit) His truck is lifted slightly and has 35×12R18 tires.
@jase1911
4 жыл бұрын
He needs to keep his foot off the gas mine gets 16 -22mpg
@marcusmcintire6683
4 жыл бұрын
That's odd. What octane fuel is he using and does he haul stuff in the back or pull a trailer? Driving short distance lowers mpg's as well like in my '13 F150 with a 5.0L. I drive a 2 mile round trip 5 day's a week and 20 mile round trip on Sunday. My mileage is 7.2 mpg.
@jase1911
4 жыл бұрын
RIP off the stock exhaust and put in a K&N air filter plus air up your tires to almost max psi that helps immensely
@ZurkeyTurkey
4 жыл бұрын
something isnt right with that truck then my average between highway and city is about 17-18mpg
@ZurkeyTurkey
4 жыл бұрын
And that's half the reason why I wanna upgrade to an 18+, the fuel economy
@royrichardson91644 жыл бұрын
If I was actually towing weight like that I wouldn't even bother with a 3.55 gear for the 7.3 engine
@codyparker679
4 жыл бұрын
I'd go stright for the 430. Gasser l love deep gears
@serfnuts
4 жыл бұрын
The 3.55 is only rated to tow 12k I think. The 4.30 can do 15k.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
The 10 speed makes up for it, it has a really low first gear.
@Purdue03b
4 жыл бұрын
@@serfnuts If it was only rated to tow 12k, why did TFL just tow 14.5k?
@Nostradamus_Order33
4 жыл бұрын
What happened to the 3.73 ?
@icu_corey_rn_9034 жыл бұрын
Glad u guys went with basically a work truck trim f-250 gas it’s something most hard working people could afford rather than a platinum good job
@ricwestdoesitwork4 жыл бұрын
Glad to see you are finally able to do mileage for the 7.3. Not real bad mileage for that big monster of an engine. Thanks for sharing Andre and Kent enjoyed the review.
@atfsgeoff4 жыл бұрын
Not unreasonable figures, they might improve with break-in and summer blend gas
@lfsracer794 жыл бұрын
6:24 Semi truck fuel economy
@joshualester2735
4 жыл бұрын
Some of trucks are hitting 10+ loaded now. Crazy. Our v10 school buses get 7.5 even with all the stops go and idle time. And 8.5 with Cummins. Though the diesels are all being phased out. Too slow, slow heat, and way more maintenance cost. Plus the noise/vibration. The gassers are so much nicer to drive.
@oldguysrock21704 жыл бұрын
I have watched many videos with truck comparisons. There are the Ford Guys, Dodge guys, and the Chevy men! When trucks come off of the showroom floors, stuff works. After 100,000 miles, let me see which trucks are still performing at a satisfactory level. New trucks have wat to many bells and whistle gadgets and that leads to more failures. I live in a harsh winter climate 5 months out of the year in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Mechanical door steps, multi use tailgates, auto tailgates, low profile wheels, fancy chrome trim, and lady features! All that stuff fails at -10 and in deep snow with a 100 Libs of ice stuck to the truck. Ford has tons of great tech! Dodge plenty of power with a Yugo transmission! And the Chevy with a check engine light. I got 240,000 on my 02 Chevy Avalanche and it lasted 17 years before I sold it. I bought a 14 Chevy WT 1500 with 100,000 and it works great. Not a lot of bells and whistles, but practical. I just want a rust proof truck, which the manufacturers can make but they won’t.
@golfbravowhiskey86694 жыл бұрын
My 7.3 wouldn’t get 15 mpg if you dropped it out of an airplane. Running around out in the pasture driving to town averages about 9 to 10 miles a gallon Drove it the other day on the open road with the cruise set at 68 miles an hour averaged about 13.1 with a 355. Still a heck of a lot better than my old 454. Technology has come along ways.
@djcarkhuff4 жыл бұрын
7.3 "Godzilla" ....meanwhile..... 2001 GM 8.1 Vortec glares over the top of it's morning paper, sipping coffee quietly.
@4-LOW
4 жыл бұрын
The GM 8.1 never sipped coffee. It guzzled oil.
@djcarkhuff
4 жыл бұрын
@@4-LOW lol, that's true. I had a '02 crew cab that would casually sip about a quart every 1-2k miles.
@andrewhigley6788
4 жыл бұрын
OFFRD I’ve got a ‘01 2500hd with the 8.1 and it doesn’t really go through oil real fast but I do get about 8mpg empty 😂😂. But that’s life, I didn’t buy the big block for mpg lol
@benjaminwayneb
4 жыл бұрын
8.1 with 100 less HP. then the 7.3.
@braddenr.4778
4 жыл бұрын
benjaminwayneb built in the early 2000’s there bud. So what it has 100hp less, makes more torque and I can guarantee it’s a hell of a lot more reliable than this not really that impressive 7.3 gas.
@MrDylanMitchell4 жыл бұрын
Great comparison and you're the only one doing doing towing tests. Like to see you add coolant temp and EGT to your tests. EGT is usually a diesel thing but towing it would be interesting to see how gas exgdust temps under load.
@videopipeline6419
4 жыл бұрын
EGT matters on turbocharged engines because of the boost. EGT is not an issue on naturally aspirated engines, even when towing heavy uphill. Engine oil & trans. oil temps are.
@tomorr1524 жыл бұрын
Nice video guys. One thing I notice when checking gas mileage on my vehicles over the years, is that ambient temperature and wind can make a huge difference. My driving usually takes through Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee so I often see major temperature swings. As the temp goes down so does my mileage. I would really like to see the F-250 test on a warmer day. Enjoy your videos and commentary.
@randallnorling56794 жыл бұрын
I had a2500 Ram power wagon and I loved the engine in it, it was a 6.4 gas and it would do anything that I needed it to do. Love love love the power wagon
@heatheredwards59334 жыл бұрын
Looking forward to the ike gauntlet!
@jveat65984 жыл бұрын
Now let’s see the ram 6.4 hemi with the 8 speed please!
@sashashpiruk4865
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2019 ram 3500 6.4 hemi standard cab long bed 4x4. 410 rear. Left nj with 900 miles on the truck. Drove to SW Florida towing 7000lbs. Keeping@ 65 mph and tire pressure at 80psi. I got 12.0 mpg. Very impressed the way it towed and how the transmission acted. I'm a Cummings diesel guy and again I was very impressed...
@natetoland7537
4 жыл бұрын
@@sashashpiruk4865 my dad has a 2014 3500 and he says it's the biggest piece of trash, it's been to the dealer multiple times per month and now the dealer doesn't want to work on his truck anymore, he was probably just unlucky with his truck
@sashashpiruk4865
4 жыл бұрын
@@natetoland7537 I'm sorry to hear that sir. I use to be a die hard Ford guy. But since the 6.0 and 6.4 diesel problems I went Cummings and Rams. I've had nothing but good luck with them. I use them for my transport business and snow plowing. I'm not a fan boy. Just have good luck.
@DragonKnightX12
4 жыл бұрын
Nate Toland Probably got a lemon. Should of used the lemon law to get a new one.
@shitloveaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Sasha Shpiruk - Cummins, Cummins. No g in there,,,,, hahaha. I have heard the same good reports about the Ram Diesels in the Ranching industry as well. All the diesel trucks are good with today’s engines, forgetting the past, but the most loyal followers seem to be Ram! Nice to hear from someone who really uses them and not a mall crawler. (Which I have become since retiring, I used all Ford because I’m cheap, but I didn’t have any problems since 2000. One F350 gas in there, it was a giant pig on fuel.) I have owned well over 100 trucks in my life but I’m done with first hand knowledge of work trucks as of last year. Maybe I will see more of your comments!! Stay safe out there, Eh.
@retiredafce33734 жыл бұрын
My 1990 f250 4x4 with the 460 gets 13.2 mpg driving at 60 mph. It has 165,483 miles on the original engine.
@406Steven
4 жыл бұрын
You must have the E4OD and 3.73 gears. I had a similar F-250 (regular cab long box, nothing huge) with the 460, C6, and 4.10s and it had a hard time getting double-digit MPGs. I think the best I ever did was around 12 but that's no Overdrive and big gears in the rear end. It would pull anything you wanted it to but sucked gas down. The 460 would do 300k+ miles no trouble, I know plenty of people who used to use them pulling race cars and campers cross-country.
@retiredafce3373
4 жыл бұрын
@@406Steven it does have the E4OD with 4.10's and stock size tires/wheels. In town it 10mpg.
@chinomustang5504 жыл бұрын
Well I just ordered a 2020 f350 with the 7.3 and I can't wait. I don't get trucks for gas mileage but I'll take 15mpg.
@jamesnm214 жыл бұрын
Chevy wins: 16 mpg unloaded. 6.9 mpg pulling the trailer. Ford: 15.1 mpg unloaded. 5.6 mpg pulling the trailer.
@jamesdenton5422
4 жыл бұрын
THE FORD HAD A HEAD WIND WHICH MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND THE FORD ENGINE IS BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL. 6.2 VS 7.3. DO THE MATH, THE FORD GETS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY PER LITER OF ENGINE SIZE. I DID THE MATH.
@horuslupercal3872
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdenton5422 found the Ford guy...........
@jamesnm21
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdenton5422 someone said they put 10% ethanol in the Chevy and regular in the Ford though. If that's true the Chevy did even better.
@raionshishi8290
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesnm21 That person were probably lying or mixed up, it was the Ford who got the ethanol mix and additives and was driving in cold winter with high wind. The Chevy was in summer with little wind.
@myers326
4 жыл бұрын
They ran 85 octane in the Chevy and pulled 16000 vs 14500.F the wind
@dylanthompson15584 жыл бұрын
Shouldn’t the wind somewhat cancel out? They would have had a tailwind if they had a headwind in the opposite direction
@Danlovestrivium
4 жыл бұрын
lol it's not they're in the jet stream! Wind conditions can change quickly and dramatically. Besides, I doubt they were going in a straight line the whole time.
@wiks101
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly; They are Ford fanboys so they had to say oh its the wind, The Chevy towed more and got better mileage.
@Matts000
4 жыл бұрын
ChicagoSox give your head a shake! I could run that Chevy on 3 different runs on different days of the week and I bet I would get different MPG results each time. Same for the Ford, that’s what happens when you have real world testing. And I hate to tell ya, but that Ford when properly equipped can tow and hall more than that Chevy.
@dylanthompson1558
4 жыл бұрын
Matt S the Ford can definitely tow, but after watching these videos for a few years they always say the result is the result due to real world testing. This is the first time I’ve seen them make an excuse for the Ford
@Matts000
4 жыл бұрын
Dylan Thompson that is true
@Stevonoles14 жыл бұрын
Towing less weight and with a 10 speed trans, this truck should have blown the Chevy away. Kinda disappointing.
@johng4527
4 жыл бұрын
@Bo Brother yeah, i tow a large enclosed trailer regularly. and even with the same truck/trailer combo we never get the same gas mileage. it will always vary with the wind; even cross-winds have a huge effect. something else we have learned is that similar size trucks with comparable power will get vary similar mileage when towing, it's not even noticeable if it has a 6spd, 8spd, or 10spd, although more gears will improve acceleration when loaded heavy.
@nof-bdybs69484 жыл бұрын
Finally. New 7.3 just has not met my expectations in hp, torque, or Mpg.
@TheWolverine-rm2kr4 жыл бұрын
Omg my dad used to work for Cimarron Trailers in Chickasha, Oklahoma!!!
@T51B14 жыл бұрын
Your results are pretty much exactly what I expected; comparable but with the 6.6L doing a bit better. Direct injection is simply better from a pure power and efficiency standpoint.
@davidcoalkey60744 жыл бұрын
"we had some wind" wind makes a huge difference.
@nateyoung63314 жыл бұрын
So imagine gm adding a 10 speed to their new gasser. Might be better than 16 mpg.
@billiebuckamer8189
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think more gears is always a good thing. I recall on another Gauntlet test one of the two trucks tested had more gears and it kept upshifting and taking the engine out of the power zone. Then the engine would begin to strain and the truck would downshift. It cycled like this the whole way up the mountain...very annoying if I recall. That said, the Ford has good torque so it may not be an issue.
@survivalguyfyi57184 жыл бұрын
Would be nice to see them tow the same weight at a more fuel efficient speed. I usually tow around 60 mph with my f350 dually 6.0.
@TdrSld
4 жыл бұрын
I think that's one of the biggest problems in their test, they do it at speed. Most people pulling that heavy of a load in a gas (hell even in a diesel) would be 60-65mph for safety and control of the load. Also the Chevy was done in summer and lite winds, the poor Ford got winter fuel (packed with additives and maxed on Ethanol) and high winds. I can tell you all about how high winds effects MPG, I live on the South Texas Coast. We see 20mph + winds very regularly, my 2010 Tundra unloaded driving into that high wind will make 8-9mpg @60mph and 5-6mpg @75mph. But if we get a very calm day of wind, I get 20.8mpg @60mph and 16-17mpg @75mph. Best I have very got was 24.276mpg @60mph with at least a 25mph wind at my back on a trip up to San Antonio. My combined over the 2 years I've had the truck is 13.295mpg, that's about a 35% highway and 65% city driving. Right now on winter blend I'm pulling 10.8-11.9mpg in the city around here, in summer months I get 12.7-14mpg in the city (summer fuel here has almost no ethanol at all, too hot for it to stay in the tanks). So fuel is a big play just as wind is.
@TheVenom8343
4 жыл бұрын
survivalguy, my 6.0 powerstroke brother!! Yeah, towing my 5,500 lb camper, I run 65 MPH max. I own an 04 F250 6.0. I don't see how these people run 75-80 MPH safely!
@chuk2795
4 жыл бұрын
55 60 makes more sense than 70 for sure . The roads by my are so curvy you cant tow above 50
@jamesorr2404
4 жыл бұрын
60 MPH in the Ford is WOT LOL
@johnbrown2030
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheVenom8343 to answer your question ive been wrencing on a fleet of over 800 super duties in the harshest environment known to man ( the oilsands in northern canada ) since 2002 and can say they have gotten WAY more capable over the years , multiple brake upgrades, fully boxed frames, and way more tech as far as electronics (trailer anti sway , advancetrac etc..) the 2020's ride is far more capable then the 2002's (but i still like the simplicity of my 2009 v-10 ... )
@whispr63314 жыл бұрын
Finally! We have results! Nice vid guys. Imo, the ford could do better, a couple examples on youtube were achieving much better gas mileage but, the real world varies based on altitude, temperature, how flat the road is, etc Depending on where people live, their numbers can be better or they can be worse, im rootin tootin for the the big block Ferd!
@yoddy0
4 жыл бұрын
Except wouldn’t you assume the same for the competition as well then?
@justinluttrell1769
4 жыл бұрын
Altitude mostly in this case. I took my V8 F-150 from Florida to ~6,300' elevation and lost about 2mpg hwy.
@nhlcfl77332 жыл бұрын
Here’s my 1.5 yr. ownership experience with the 2020 Chevy 2500 experience below. Thanks guys for your test reviews of this and the Chevy. And for your honest reactions that I noticed Andre seemed to hope the Ford Godzilla would do better than the Chevy especially since the Chevy pulled a heavier trailer. I’ve sensed from other videos how Andre likes the “Godzilla” name and all. To keep this peaceful, both essentially get within 1 mpg of each other, how’s that? PS, I own my 2020 Chevy 6.6L gasser and … love it thus far. I get 17-18 mpg US on Hwy and 14-15 city and worse for both in winter. I Love the 82” long standard bed, the front & rear side steps (plus the optional side mounted Bed Storage Boxes leaving 4 ft. Width in my box yet lots of storage = Awesome!!!) direct fuel injection engine with the JD Power proven reliability and beefed up 6L90 transmission for this new 6.6L. Because I live in an area that has +6 months of real winter, I appreciate the AutoTrac transfer case for more secure winter driving.
@doctube20204 жыл бұрын
GM has historically beaten Ford and Dodge in fuel economy.
@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992
Жыл бұрын
And then been towed home by both of them
@shaun3274 жыл бұрын
It's all physics when it comes to towing . Every truck is going to get similar mpg. What's more important in my opinion is brake distances, merge lane acceleration and overall handling.
@philtripe
4 жыл бұрын
is that why trucks twenty years ago got half the gas mileage? im going to send you a brain in the mail...you can stick it in your ear
@shaun327
4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't really referring to 20 year old trucks. Even so whatever truck your using to tow 14K pounds with, it just takes that much gas (energy to move it). Yes technology has changed and i'm not arguing that. If you took a 20 year old truck and strapped 14K trailer to it, I'd bet it would still get similar mileage towing as the new ones,.. single digit mpg. Technology or not it just takes fuel, the new ones of course do tow better. So yes a 20 year old truck would not get anywhere near the same mileage empty if that is your point, however I said when towing, not overall mpg.
@snikesnover1831
4 жыл бұрын
My 2002 F250 with the 5.4 gasser can get 16+ mpg in the summer, and handle a 12,000 lb GVWR with plow and sander in the winter. It’s time to upgrade, but $53k is a tough pill to swallow.
@jasonmasters9653
4 жыл бұрын
@@philtripe and the funniest comment of 2020 goes to...... 2big 2fail
@rustynail914
4 жыл бұрын
Not true. Different fuel systems and ignition systems can improve the energy lost by the fuel consumption of the engine. The modern engine is still only about 30% efficient. The rest of the gasoline is lost in the form of heat. Being able to capture more energy and use the gasoline more efficiently is constantly improving.
@ashes2ashes8634 жыл бұрын
So much for the 10 speed giving it an edge... Also caught that they said the truck floated from 7 th gear to overdrive and back a lot. Maybe that's why GM kept the old 6 speed. These trucks were built for reliability first after all. I'm sure they are all making less power than they could too for reliability purposes.
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The gm trucks have always been about the total package. They have always been competitive despite not having the highest numbers.
@Welcometofacsistube
4 жыл бұрын
Lol GM and reliability?
@matthewrobertson156
4 жыл бұрын
I factor in the differential gear. That Chevy test was a 3.73 rear end. This Ford is running on winter gas with probably the heater running and on 3.55 gearing which is crazy for pulling this much weight.
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
@@Welcometofacsistube The only two trucks that had reliability problems on the Ike gauntlet were Ford's.
@arbiter1
4 жыл бұрын
@@Welcometofacsistube um GM 6.0 liter? that thing built like a tank. My uncle had a work truck with it and it had 350k miles on it and still was going strong.
@tylerp89514 жыл бұрын
What I can’t figure out is why they used 85 octane on the Chevy and 87 octane on the ford. Is their bias only against GM. Do both of these trucks on the same day WITH THE SAME FUEL.
@SMiller5488
4 жыл бұрын
Because they tested the Chevy months ago
@tylerp8951
4 жыл бұрын
SMiller5488 what does that have to do with the octane they used
@GDatum
4 жыл бұрын
SMiller5488 maybe they used higher octane in the ford this time in hopes it doesn’t break down going up the Ike like the previous model did last year 🤷♂️😂😂
@gen1c8rs88
4 жыл бұрын
@@tylerp8951 Warm weather fuel vs cold weather fuel. 85 for the Chevy and 87 for the Ford helps even out thier performances.
@jessejames32614 жыл бұрын
Give me the Chevy any day!
@brentvance3958
4 жыл бұрын
Jesse James you can have it. That thing is fugly.
@brinkme17724 жыл бұрын
I get 13mpg in my '11 f250 2wd w/ 6.2 gasser ... I'd call 15mpg a decent improvement.
@cparent20124 жыл бұрын
Just want to say you guys do an amazing job all the time! For future comparison videos, would it be possible to film both trucks on the same day with Mr Truck in the other vehicle to eliminate variables like the wind and weather conditions if it could be done logisticly.
@BigInjun054 жыл бұрын
So your comparing a test where you wore a t-shirt to one that you have snow on the ground. 👌👌👌 because cold weather doesn't affect mpg at all. Mpg in winter is 12-22% difference. Get the chev back out and try again. Air density change etc. Cant compare yet.
@MattSmith-vl8zp
4 жыл бұрын
I hate when they test during the winter. I know they really do t have a choice but cold weather really affects mpg.
@UvidCo
4 жыл бұрын
Cold weather also produces more power.
@BigInjun05
4 жыл бұрын
@@UvidCo less energy efficient in winter. Only electric makes more power and not electric cars either thanks to our battery tech. Does make more power, just takes more fuel.
@billiebuckamer8189
4 жыл бұрын
The Ford is pulling less weight so I don't see much of a difference.
@markcarl84763 жыл бұрын
Since you also needed to run mid grade in the Ford that made a fill up even more expensive.
@equationpvp29604 жыл бұрын
Are we really surprised the Chevy did better though?
Idk why people seem to think 15mpg isnt a great number for a big block 3/4 pick up. That's freaking good!!!! My half ton with a 5.0 small block only gets about 10mpg. 12 if theres no headwind. Like what do yall expect it to get? 23mpg? 30mpg?
@gloppy1014 жыл бұрын
Not tested under the SAME conditions.
@mr.waynes75554 жыл бұрын
you boys seemed to favor the ford over the chevy in this test
@bradzimmerman3171
4 жыл бұрын
Mr.Waynes they know trucks and GM really doesn't they kind of lope along & hope dummys buy there lame products
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
Well, it's a ford that made it through the test without a problem so they're pretty excited about it.
@jkheslekrants
4 жыл бұрын
@@bradzimmerman3171 Interesting commentary when the Chevrolet did better with a heavier trailer, 4 less gears and nearly a liter less displacement 🤔
@David-yy7lb4 жыл бұрын
Who want a transmission that's hunts through 7-10 gears all the time.....
@gen-x-zeke8446
4 жыл бұрын
As long as you're not dealing with too many hills, then you won't be worrying about 7-10. My buddy is a mechanic and he's probably 75% reliable which I can say more for some people.
@JS-nd1po
4 жыл бұрын
Thats one issue I have with GM truck transmissions. They don’t like to shift and they will sit in a gear and high rev unless you punch the gas.
@tedschmitt178
4 жыл бұрын
After having a F-150 with the 10 speed and towing 6200 pounds, and trying to tow that same 6200 pounds with a 6-speed F-150, I will take the 10 speed ALL DAY LONG. Period.
@mattg7952
4 жыл бұрын
The EPA.
@peterrock28384 жыл бұрын
My 2017 6.2 with a 6 speed does much better - I will stick with the 6.2. Not much difference in HP and Torque. Unloaded and stock, I get 17 mpg through the mountains of NC.
@louisg83893 жыл бұрын
this is the most important youtube channel for truck buyers
@airlite444 жыл бұрын
Put a 16000 lb trailer behind the ford like you did the Chevy
@deeshotta7076
4 жыл бұрын
airlite44 why if the Chevy had more weight and still beat it theres no point
@yzhang8629
4 жыл бұрын
It is above the gooseneck tow rating of a F250 with 7.3V8 and 3.55 rear axle. www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyPU_r1_Nov7.pdf
@mechanic684
3 жыл бұрын
@@yzhang8629 yes and the Chevy was going up very steep hills all the time it was going through the test. 😅
@chriswinkler13134 жыл бұрын
Can we do the Ram 6.4l next??
@swpa87424 жыл бұрын
I think it’s worth mentioning the 4 door cab weights a lot more then a standard cab, sometimes by as much as 1000 pounds.
@sammysampson1834 жыл бұрын
I have a 01' SuperDuty 4x4 with the 6.8 V10. With over 130K miles on the clock it gets 14 mpg at 65 mph empty and when I towed my 11,000 lb trailer from Seattle to Maine, I averaged 8.5 mpg for the 3,200 mile trip. My truck weighs 7,800 lbs empty. Considering that it is in great shape and paid for, I would be hard pressed to buy new when the fuel consumption numbers are not any better.
@StoneysWorkshop4 жыл бұрын
I would take 15mpg for a more commercial style engine like this I’m liking the 7.3 more and more
@boss2nine4 жыл бұрын
Winter fuel and wind will kill fuel economy every time.
@MountainMcCumbee
4 жыл бұрын
boss2nine that’s why they used mid grade in the ford and regular in the Chevy. But the Chevy was still towing more weight.
@tristanhipps6044 жыл бұрын
call it what it is....a clear cut win for chevy. the chevy pulled more weight and got better MPG at the same time. that is huge
@raionshishi8290
4 жыл бұрын
It didn't need to deal with the conditions the Ford was in tho.
@tristanhipps604
4 жыл бұрын
@@raionshishi8290 right it only had to deal with the extra sports car it was towing.
@raionshishi8290
4 жыл бұрын
@@tristanhipps604 Doesn't make a big enough difference compared to conditions, the conditions of the area matters way more then the weight, have you ever been to a drag strip before ? Those that have been like myself can tell you that conditions really do matter, alot more then what the car is hauling. It can have tons of HP but if it can't put it all to the ground or use it efficiently then there is no point.
@lanceleavitt7472 Жыл бұрын
Just to put things in perspective, my 454 BBC with an NP 4500 gets 8.2 MPG on the open road, and 7.9 in town. So, your 15 and 16 MPG sound pretty good to me. --- Thanks for the great upload. ---
@piersandromannino41094 жыл бұрын
10 speeds in my opinion they actually add complexity, weight , frictions when a 8 speeds would be enough. Only few years ago we had 4-5 speed auto and now they doubled them. I believe is more a marketing choice rather than technical.
@taylor5542
4 жыл бұрын
The 10 speed is superior to the 6. Take a test drive, it'll change your mind. I drive a work truck with the 10 everyday, and I'm convinced. It's better at everything. Smarter too.
@tylersutton1048
4 жыл бұрын
Must have never towed anything..
@rayman8991
4 жыл бұрын
Through research and from other opinions, I’ve always been worried about getting the 10 speed or even the 8 speed transmission.
@Flydevice1
4 жыл бұрын
Taylor for commuting and slightly better economy, yes. Both for hard work, towing etc... it’s not gonna last. Too many moving parts. I got a Chevy 2500 with 6.0 and 4spd auto, transmission still shifts like new with 250k miles while the gm 6spds are having issues before hand.
@geevenom8098
4 жыл бұрын
JJM 05 what year?
@jackcurrence2634 жыл бұрын
Ideally, the GM and the Ford could have been tested on the same day (or even at the same time, for the unloaded test!) in order to eliminate weather/wind as a variable, but we (unfortunately) don't live in an ideal world. I admit to being pretty intrigued by the new 7.3L Ford gasser, but it is REALLY difficult to compete with GM on OHV gas V8s... that has been their bread and butter for YEARS, with no forays into OHC architecture, etc... to take engineering dollars away from the OHC V8 program(s).
@sly9263
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's difficult for Ford to compete with it.. GM is now in 3rd place for truck sales, behind even Ram. Ford is still the only manufacturer that makes their own engine, transmission, and axles. Also the 7.3 torque curve is superior to the 6.6 and has forged internals- forged crankshaft. The Silverado is still using a 6 speed on their gas v8...
@CortJohnson
2 жыл бұрын
Add up the numbers dude. When GMC and Chevy trucks are combined they easily outsell Ford. The 6 so is a proven workhorse. We’ll see how the 10 does
@sly9263
2 жыл бұрын
@@CortJohnson please explain the logic in how using two truck brands with double the overhead for manufacturing that barely leads Ford when combined is somehow meaningful... lmfao IDK why some fanboys are so desperate to claim #1 with an obscure and meaningless calculation. GM can't sell 1 pickup line anywhere close to F-series or Ram.
@zimks
2 жыл бұрын
@@sly9263 GM just sold more trucks last month than Ford and Ram. It’s as simple as that.
@camclarke9952
2 жыл бұрын
@@sly9263 sounds like the only fan boy is you,,and ford has never outlived a Chevy truck,,do your research before you embarrass yourself anymore..
@sheyanderson43714 жыл бұрын
That mileage matches the best I can get out of my 04 5.4L F-150. I was one who expected a little more from the 7.3L, but Ford also has said that one of the major factors of going back to this big of an engine was the ability to work on it. They expect the majority of these to be fleet trucks and the ability to service/repair them quickly is a big selling point and saves a lot of money in the long run. It is made to house a big Diesel engine, but there is more room under the hood in that 7.3L then some V8 half tons.
@BigBoyToyzz4 жыл бұрын
You had Winter blend fuel in the 7.3 which gives worse MPG. When you tested the Chevy I think you were still in the Summer blend. Big difference in MPG with the two blends.
@remsterx
4 жыл бұрын
xelvic congrats welcome to real world testing. You get whatever gas they put in the pumps when you drive. They don’t have control over when they receive the trucks either
@shannonleatherman61094 жыл бұрын
Seems like they really wanted Ford to beat Chevy. I had a hundo t on Chevy due to my experience of Chevy v8’s always getting better mileage.
@robertchapman44884 жыл бұрын
Sounds about right to me, bigger engine more gas.
@muleoutpost8156
4 жыл бұрын
Would have been an accurate comparison had they tested both Chevrolet and Ford simultaneously (under the same weather conditions.) There is no telling what the temperature difference was(denser air gets more fuel), head wind/tail wind, etc...
@robertchapman4488
4 жыл бұрын
@@muleoutpost8156 Mr. Truck commented multiple times how windy it was. But I agree they should have done this comparison back to back with all the trucks.
@joseortega5554 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for this video. Now I just have to wait a couple of years to see if either one comes up with problems. Both of them do better than my 2500hd 6.0. I get 14.5 and never go over 65 mph.
@Mikemartin9684 жыл бұрын
Seems like they were making a lot of excuses for that F-250. 🤣
@curtis19514 жыл бұрын
Now if the Chevy beats it in a 0 to 60 towing test, that would be hilarious. 😂
@chrishansen7004
4 жыл бұрын
The Chevy is a 6.6L and the Ford is a 7.3L your kind of stupid the bigger the displacement the more gas you use I’d argue the ford is doing better than the Chevy considering the ford has 45 more cubic inches
@cooper6585
4 жыл бұрын
Well, based off of the 7.3 absolutely DEMOLISHING the Chevy up the hill now, I think we're safe on that not happening lol
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
@@cooper6585 Yep. With the extra power, gears and lower rear gears it looks like a pretty good puller.
@co1003
4 жыл бұрын
Not happening! Lol!
@tstonge49824 жыл бұрын
As others have mentioned, what considerations were made for the winter blend fuel? Also, can you explain why you used 14,500 (trailer weight) with the Ford but 16,000 with the Chevy?
@bearatts
4 жыл бұрын
Probably because the Chevy was rated to tow more with a lower gear ratio, or it was just rated to tow more period regardless of axle ratio
@darrengibson644
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe to stack he deck...they paid for a Ford. Pretty sure the lower octane and Ethanol more than made up for winter blend, and oh....never mind the 10% lighter trailer
@gibbonsss8
4 жыл бұрын
@@darrengibson644 they didnt buy that specific truck they have a different 7.3.
@randythompson4006
4 жыл бұрын
These are max tow fuel economy test. Every video tfl does has glaring inconsistency between trucks. But so does everyone driving them too. Think of this as what a truck your thinking of owning does.
@GIGABACHI
4 жыл бұрын
Availability and life is not a str8 road w/o detours ? 🤔
@doctube20204 жыл бұрын
GM needs to add the 10 speed to the 6.6L. The light duty half ton 10 speed auto was a joint venture between Ford and GM
@rlhmarines
4 жыл бұрын
DocTube ..The HD 10 speed in the F250/350 is not the same as the Allison 10 speed in the Silverado 2500/3500 Duramax. The 1/2 ton trucks do share the GM/Ford joint venture light duty 10 speed transmission but they went in separate directions for the HD's.
@doctube2020
4 жыл бұрын
rlhmarines True. I know they worked on the 10 speed together for the half ton truck and suv. I assume the HD 10 speed is based on the lighter duty 10 speed but with upgraded components. Fun fact: GM has built Allison transmissions for years, GM sends the transmission to Allison to have it validated to meet their standards and receive the Allison branding. www.tfltruck.com/2018/12/2020-chevy-silverado-hd-allison-transmission/
@gen1c8rs88
4 жыл бұрын
@@doctube2020 Ford's HD 10-speed is externally larger than the F-150 10-speed.
@CJColvin4 жыл бұрын
This is awesome battle of the Big Block V8 mate. Ford 7.3L Godzilla V8 vs GM 6.6L Ecotec gas V8.
@johndoe-bk3de4 жыл бұрын
Thats pretty much the same as the 6.2 with the 6 speed gets
@TheMCD1989
4 жыл бұрын
Ya I am really hoping there will be some more numbers to compare to soon. The loaded mileage is actually worse than my 6.2 6 speed...
@marcusworld87
4 жыл бұрын
That 3.55 just arent good for towing ,
@zb6618
4 жыл бұрын
Marcus'World it’s coupled to a 10 speed, and first gear is the equivalent of 4.10 gearing with the 6 speed
@WhoThisGuy515
4 жыл бұрын
@@zb6618 you're in first gear for about 2 seconds. More gears doesn't equal more mpg. More gears help when towing up and down grades by being able to keep the engine exactly at it's peak power because the gears are closer together. 3.55 gears are still 3.55 gears at highway speeds
@zb6618
4 жыл бұрын
cody roland the 10 speed keeps it at the ideal ratio after first gear, so it pretty much doesn’t matter what the rear gear ratio is because the 10 speed makes it so that it has the same ratio from the engine to the rear end
@linger20014 жыл бұрын
So you’re gonna be stopping for gas about every 250 miles. “I needed to stretch my legs anyway.”
@406Steven
4 жыл бұрын
I stop for gas about every 250 miles or so in my F-250, and 250-300 miles in my Impreza. Unless the Mrs is coming along, then we're stopping every 1-1.5 hours for a pee break and might as well top off the tank while we're stopped.
@oscarmayer98234 жыл бұрын
This was good to watch but if you test brands, test on same day with same trailer with identical rear gears. I know a lot of viewers that are saying this same thing. Might be different results
@donleamon8653
4 жыл бұрын
Oscar Mayer they do their best, but get what they get when they can. Gives you an idea though based on the consistent loop. It’s not like you’re going to see a 5-10 mpg variance.
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Thanks for watching! Check out our road trip MPG results with a 4.30 rear differential on TFLnow: kzread.info/dash/bejne/jIOZ0ZN7prS9eqQ.html and our off-road Tremor gas vs. diesel comparison on TFLoffroad: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p5ugxtyHmti9oto.html
@buildriteconstruction2690
4 жыл бұрын
The Fast Lane Truck Did Ford lower the ride height on the 2020 super duties?
@cody1777
4 жыл бұрын
@@buildriteconstruction2690 yes, I believe I saw that they did. Something like an 1" in the front and 1 1/4" in the back.
@cody1777
4 жыл бұрын
Have you guys ever done a milage test comparing tailgate up versus down? They would be interesting to see in addition to doing that test with a cap also.
@andrewhannah8015
4 жыл бұрын
cody grillaert MythBusters did the tailgate up or down test. Leave the tailgate up for better mpg
@cody1777
4 жыл бұрын
@@andrewhannah8015 I know they did, I'd like to see TFL do it and introduce a cap to the comparison.
That amazes me, these new heavy-duty trucks get better fuel economy than my 2004 hemi 1500, technology has come a long way in 16 years.
@Rift45
4 жыл бұрын
bearatts Was thinking the same thing! My 2004 Hemi 1500 got 15 empty
@brianhilligoss
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah my 6.2 Silverado gets 14 combined average per tank of mixed use. Best was 18 on the interstate with a good tail wind.
@johncholmes643
4 жыл бұрын
Not very hard to beat a Dodge hemi with anything
@Rift45
4 жыл бұрын
My 2015 Hemi on the other hand got 21.5 on a long flat trip at 60-65mph
@kenleycarlton7562
4 жыл бұрын
Have the exact same truck. Hemi 04. 240k miles now
Finally the Embargo is over!! Can't wait to see more videos about this truck! Keep up the consistent hard work TFL!!
@nateyoung6331
4 жыл бұрын
5 star will have their tuned numbers soon.
@TFLtruck
4 жыл бұрын
We will publish more Super Duty videos soon.
@hendo337
4 жыл бұрын
@@TFLtruck why did they embargo the 7.3 when it was readily for sale on lots and you bought it yourselves? Just seems like the dinosaur print media or whoever Ford was protecting from being scooped has too much lead time and is just proving why new internet media is eating their lunch.
@marvinnicklas7638
4 жыл бұрын
@@TFLtruck when will you post the Ike Gauntlet videos for the f250 7.3?
When towing. Ford 7.3 = 5.65mpg Chevy 6.5 = 6.9 Unloaded Chevy = 16.0 mpg Ford = 15.1
@HVAC_Jae
3 жыл бұрын
@Dylan Church Chevy has the new 6.6L gas V8. Add: yes 6.6L not 6.0 or 6.5
Smaller engine Chevy with less geared six speed still did better, despite a slightly heavier trailer... Now that's impressive.
@brandonhouse9722
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah I like how he added at the end how the Chevy trailer was heavier.
@matthewrobertson156
4 жыл бұрын
Based on differential gearing it was able to haul more than this Ford was rated because the Chevy was a 3.73 differential gear versus the Ford 3.55. Don't forget that you're using winter gas and running the heater.
@freedomisntfree_44
4 жыл бұрын
Cup & Cone gm is weaker there fore not as much fuel
@aarons3008
4 жыл бұрын
Also the Chevrolet managed that better mpg despite the fact that they used 85 octane (with 10% ethanol) yet for some reason on the Ford they gave it 87 (without ethanol) even though both manufacturers say 87 minimum. I'd imagine if the Chevrolet had gotten the equal fuel it would have been an even larger margin of difference.
@EricFortuneJr.
4 жыл бұрын
Matthew Robertson The heat won’t affect fuel economy unless the defrost is on, fuel type maybe, weather conditions for sure and gearing as well.
If port injection is "old school" I guess carbureted is "prehistoric".
@lubesiron-cslfarmsllc2751
4 жыл бұрын
The tech manuals for carburetors are either chiseled in stone tablets or cave paintings. Lol
@foxbodyguyeightyeight3672
3 жыл бұрын
That's my problem with the people doing these reviews, they judge trucks on things they don't understand they aren't mechanic's or run fleets and look at downtime numbers. They just blurt out things they don't really understand and everyone walks in lock step based off of it.
@Doomzdayxx
2 жыл бұрын
That's a fair categorization. And throttle body injection would be "ancient"
Wow. Didn't expect that outcome. Obviously they can't really match the rear gearing between the 2 brands, but 15.1 out of the Ford on the new 10-speed versus 16.0 out of the Chevy on the old 6-speed. That's an impressive finish for Chevy's new 6.6.
@Thirty-OughtSick
Жыл бұрын
I mean the 350 has a 3.73
Not bad, 20 years ago, I used to have a 97 4x4 f250 with the 7.5L, a 5 speed manual and 3.55 gears. Best mpg I ever got was 13.5. This was with 285/75r16 tires. Most of the time 11-12mpg. That engine was rated 245hp and 410tq. So now we get more power and better economy.
@kinguin7
Жыл бұрын
I've got one with 4.10 gears, 5 speed, stock tire size and it's getting between 10 and 12 usually...
Both of them get better empty mpg’s than my ‘05 Tundra! But it’s paid for and suits my need.
@tonynw318
4 жыл бұрын
I was gonna say the same about my 2012 4.6l tundra... I've been getting 13.5mpg
@robertsitch1415
4 жыл бұрын
The gearing on those trucks makes them burn more fuel than you would expect.
@davidhorne2326
4 жыл бұрын
Si Raff I bought the truck new,and was going on the Toyota reliability. And that has proved true. If I had to buy a new truck it would probably be a Toyota. I worked at a local Chevy dealer until just recently, and saw a lot of issues with the new Chevy’s. The more bells and whistles, the more problems.
@shaunbeach9502
4 жыл бұрын
A 2019 tundra probably won't be able to get any better gas mileage either.
@davidhorne2326
4 жыл бұрын
Shaun Beach that’s true. Toyota needs to get the mpg’s up.
They should've tested these two with the same trailer, on the same day. Guess we'll see how it does on the ike gauntlet.
@samthompson3184
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly, this video is utterly pointless if they didn't do it in the same day, same trailer, etc.
@joshuaearnheart2756
4 жыл бұрын
This channel has always been a wee bit biased towards GM. All these comments talking about fuel economy are quite annoying. A Toyota Prius gets better gas mileage than almost anything. But that’s the only thing it does better.
@Bmc1025
4 жыл бұрын
I am a diehard GM guy and I agree. I still see the GM doing better MPG but I think it would have been close enough it wouldn't be a selling point.
@APGJuggernaut
4 жыл бұрын
I do agree that the constant fuel mileage comments can get annoying, especially from private owners that should be fully aware of the cost to operate a full size truck. But given that the 7.3 is intended to be a reliable and economical motor for commercial and fleet operators, grading it heavily on its fuel economy is warranted. I don't think the ratings were terrible given the testing conditions and elevation. But I was expecting it to get a little closer to the Chevys numbers.
@APGJuggernaut
4 жыл бұрын
@@Bmc1025 Tow rating, at least to me, seem to vary a lot truck to truck even within the same models. I'll say this much, its getting better mileage than the Ecoboost F-150 I used to own. Loved that truck and the power as much as it loved gas
Interesting result. The result is consistent with what I would expect. Chevy does a very good job of squeezing efficiency out of their vehicles. However, I would not let a relatively small (really within the margin of error) difference in fuel economy be the deciding factor between these two trucks. There are many other considerations in my opinion. Either vehicle would be a good choice and I think that personal preference in styling and design will likely be big factors in peoples purchasing choices.
I have always said it, ford’s numbers on paper are always the best, but in real world everything changes
It is pretty tough to split mpg tests over several days. Each leg of tests, on both trucks, should be done under near identical ambient conditions, meaning that each leg should be performed at nearly same time on same day. Temperature, atmospheric pressure, humidity, wind and fuel mix all play a role.
@dennyhall69
2 жыл бұрын
Thank you, glad I am not the only one that seen that. It is harder for a large truck to push through cold air. I noticed that they was bundled up when testing the f250
The 7.3 is kind of falling short in every category for me. Less torque than I expected, less fuel efficientcy than I expected so far. The Chevy is actually doing quite well considering its using a 6 speed.
@kennethbranscum2738
4 жыл бұрын
I agree. I was hoping the MPG would be a little better with a 10 speed.
@gen-x-zeke8446
4 жыл бұрын
Do you realize that they did that to get an "out-of-the gate" number, right? People are going to be modifying the heck out of these monsters anyway. I am rare, I love Ford and Chevy and I feel like they make each other greater. I am more of a Ford dude, but I am impressed with RAM's 6.4 HEMI as well. What a trio, 6.4, 6.6, 7.3 like the good old days of big power.
@JsGarage
4 жыл бұрын
Christopher Williams 6.4 Hemi is much more appealing with its new 8 speed. The old 66RFE held it back quite a bit not even having a true 6 speed ratio spread.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
They tested the Tremor on the Dyno, not a good choice for a true dyno test. They would have been better off testing the one in this video on the dyno. The 10 speed is better suited to the 3.55 gearing than the 4.10 or whatever it was on the Tremor. When you look at the dyno on the 6.7 with the 10 speed and 3.55 gears the numbers were off the chart.
@bryane2857
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamespenner1412 In nearly all the Ikes the Chevy out performs in the HD .
$53,000 for any pickup truck is ridiculous and gluttonous. The rate that pickup truck prices have risen is absolutely crazy. I hope someone takes a serious look at this... It's right in line of paying $100 for sliced up jeans...
@Spahi77
4 жыл бұрын
I agree....I bought my 15 Duramax ccsb for 51k out the door in Feb of 2015 it was 63k sticker....it was a bit high at the time, but when I see a similarly equipped truck today is close to 80k sticker.....yes, it's glutinous or as some might say, capitalism/ supply/ demand. Definitely not inflation at work. No way can I grabbed a LTZ today in the 50k range...it will correct.
@gregoryfuller9361
4 жыл бұрын
I agree 100%. I personally don't need a brand new vehicle . If I had the money for a diesel or gas hd truck I'd go between 2005 to 2010 if I could swing it. 50,000 f150's I mean really . Not knocking Ford btw they're all doing it now.
@royrichardson9164
4 жыл бұрын
Nothing but FACTS! idk care how they are optioned out and how great they try and make them out to be...
@ridethetiger1895
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah they are a lot of money but if you count in inflation even my 2001 F150 sticker prices was just under 32k new and adjusted for inflation its 48k in 2019 money. Considering all the technology and advances it's really not that bad, it's the cost of living and wages that have not kept up with cost of things.
@dreadnoughtprime6301
4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you base your statement on. What do you think they should cost and why?
Love Ford bringing big displacement back but I'm with Andre on this one, I expected better.
I just can’t get over how damn ugly those chevys are. Goodness!!
@JS-nd1po
4 жыл бұрын
It’s great that we have these truck wars as it helps the consumer. I do have to agree that Chevys are butt ass ugly.
@treykolski9411
4 жыл бұрын
Also thought that but now that I’ve seen in it person really changed my opinion
@treykolski9411
4 жыл бұрын
J S lot better looking in person in my opinion
@BrackishMongrel
4 жыл бұрын
Right! It looks like they just threw their hands in the air and gave up on coming up with a better design.
@DragonKnightX12
4 жыл бұрын
Saw one in person, it didn’t too bad. The GMC still looks miles better.
Depending upon the wind - that can really kill mileage. My F350 with a camper averages 12.3 with no wind. On a windy day the mileage can go as low as 9.5 MPG. You need to re-run the test on a day with no wind if you can do that.
@stevenblake6939
2 жыл бұрын
It was windy for the Chevy too!
These MPG numbers just make me want to hold on to my 1996 Cummins 12v even more! Lol
@jonybravo5650
4 жыл бұрын
What's your mpgs?
@happydoggs
4 жыл бұрын
With my 06 duramax dually towing a 31k lb trailer of hay I got 9.8 mpg on a 77 mile trip with several decent sized hills. And I get about 15 mpg on the same loop with a 15k lb stock trailer. So this test surprised me with how awful the gas mileage is with these modern gas engines towing a trailer
@gbrewer1296
4 жыл бұрын
MPG will get better as they break in for sure lol
@scaircrow64
4 жыл бұрын
Hey me too!! With the 4x4, 5 speed 3.50 gears I get 16 city and 20.3 highway unloaded at 65 mph! What in the world is ford doing?!
@chrisdavenport6585
4 жыл бұрын
@@happydoggs probably not by much.
What concerns me is longevity on these 8 and 10 speeds, they do a lot more shifting especially pulling or driving in the hills. Maybe I'm wrong but my basic knowledge on transmissions make me thing more shifting= more wear and potentially more heat?
@workct4102
Жыл бұрын
I have not noticed that. From a 4spd to a 10 spd, 5.4 to a 3.5 EB, the newer truck does stay in 8th most of my towing trips, but the power difference in the engines allows it to stay put, where the 5.4 would kick to 3rd and rev to 4k. Haven't needed the 3.5 up that high yet.
I just can't believe GM made their truck look like a catfish.
@talon0863
4 жыл бұрын
lol
@Onechrispbacon
4 жыл бұрын
The mustang looks more like a catfish lol
@peytonschuldt1045
4 жыл бұрын
That good sir..... Is spot on.. lol. And I have a chevy..
Air temperature also makes quite a bit of difference in MPG comparisons. I used to have a Ford extended E-350 with a V-10. In cold weather (20 degrees F) it'd get about 13 MPG with about 3500# of cargo. In 70 degree weather, it'd be up to 16 MPG. If your comparing MPG you have to keep the conditions the same as possible. Also the MPG with a gas engine may be lower, but cost of maintenance and intital cost compared to a diesel is also lower. I've got a diesel that I pull my 5th wheel camper with and I love it, but I don't think you ever get you money back. Thank you for all of your great tests.
@gjolinares23
2 жыл бұрын
If you did that’s amazing. Those numbers sound quite a bit over shot though. Are you sure you did the math right? The V-10s were said to be around 10mpg empty and drop when hauling weren’t they?
You can't compare tests from different times of year. You need to take into account winter fuel and summer fuel blends. Also air temperature will affect fuel milage. To compare they need to be tested at the same time under the same conditions with the same fuel.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. A truer test would have been them running side by side at the same time, pulling the same weight(GCVW), and then compare. Considering both test runs of the F250 were into the wind accounts for something as well as the winter blend fuel.
@wiks101
4 жыл бұрын
@@acdii um they drove a loop so one way was into the wind and the other would be with the wind at your back. so it all cancels its out.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
@@wiks101 Did they have the same with the other truck? If not, then not a true comparison. Besides, a head wind can really affect MPG more than a tail wind, so it wont really cancel it out unless the tail wind is at least 10 MPH more.
@T51B1
4 жыл бұрын
@@acdii What a geographical and physics oddity--Into the wind down AND back, in a down and back comparison!
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
@@T51B1 Where did you read they had a head wind both ways? Did they really?
That silverado won the JD power awards for the most ugliest truck ever made!
@k3v015Mk
4 жыл бұрын
Hey an award is an award
@philtripe
4 жыл бұрын
@@leonardrice1500 the Ford ...with the bigger, faster motor? must be one of those fake news people that see facts and just come to the opposite conclusion
@justinw.2376
4 жыл бұрын
Just think, GM paid JD power to give them that award lol
@davidk1850
4 жыл бұрын
Where's the annoying guy in the commercial talking about the initial ugly award? lol
@fargonianproductions2767
4 жыл бұрын
2big 2fail who cares if the motor is bigger or faster, the Chevy can tow more
If the 7.3 coupled up with a 4.30 rear end is any thing like my 6.2 gas it will do great.
@TheMCD1989
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a '19 F350 with the 6.2 and 4.30s, so far I love it the only complaint is the god awful mileage. Coming from a 2005 Cummins towing on the highway leaves something to be desired but anything under 50/55 I think the 6.2 is as good if not better than the 6 speed common rail.
@themartimus1748
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah it took me some time gettin use to a gas motor but I’ve had mine for 5 years now and it’s been the best vehicle I’ve ever owned. It’s got 149000 miles on it and I pull constantly. I’m off road a lot with me job to. I’ve put on 1 front axle , battery. And brakes. Other than that change the oil ($26) and that’s it.
@georgiafan6618
4 жыл бұрын
The 4.30 would help.
@themartimus1748
4 жыл бұрын
Yeah man. I like the 4.30
@Danlovestrivium
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheMCD1989 That's where the 10 speed might come in.
Since it’s mostly a freeway loop, the weight had less to do with economy than the winds and temps. The comparison to the GM at this point is purely anecdotal. Need same trailer and load with same atmospherics to get a reasonable comparison.
@billiebuckamer8189
4 жыл бұрын
GMs get better real world gas mileage.
@RobbDzzz
4 жыл бұрын
Billie Buckamer based on what evidence?
@anthonyhales4192
4 жыл бұрын
@@billiebuckamer8189 I agree but its god awful ugly.
@anthonyhales4192
4 жыл бұрын
My 99 f250 gets 9mpg. ( lifted 33s) empty. I could care less its a great truck. A good engine will only cost you fuel thats it
@chiefbeef2947
4 жыл бұрын
Robb M the video
Good video, interesting results. Both ford and Chevy will still be my favorite 2 truck brands
@marcojordan1368
4 жыл бұрын
Chevy is my favorite trucks
@liljohnny2.065
4 жыл бұрын
Chevy and ford are the best.
@msokes9
4 жыл бұрын
Lil Johnny2.0 agreed
48 gallon tank! I I can hear my bank account screaming now 😅
@mdingle11
4 жыл бұрын
Sure it's a large tank but it uses the same amount of fuel if not less than a tundra which has a 26 gallon tank. Less stops needed to fill up.
@GoOutdoorsMore5420
4 жыл бұрын
Micheal Dingle agreed.👍
@justinw.2376
4 жыл бұрын
Micheal Dingle id still hate to be looking at the screen at the pump when I’m filling up from 1/4 tank lol
@loganholmberg2295
4 жыл бұрын
Gives you allot more range when you need it. My 2014 Sierra 1500 has only 26 gal and I wish it had 30 or more. I've taken it to places in Northern Canada with long distances between fuel stops. Which makes me wonder. How big was the fuel tank on the Chevy they tested? All that extra fuel weight might account for the difference in fuel economy.
@unitedgray
4 жыл бұрын
@@loganholmberg2295 Agreed. I love the 36 gal tank on my F-150.
CHEVY WINS AGAIN....nothing beats a LS motor. I get the same mileage with a 6.0 w a 4.10.
@donaldthomas5852
3 жыл бұрын
MK I have 6.0 with 3.73 and it gets about the same pulling but empty 14 mpg it has 197,000 miles on the engine
@mesanders1113
3 жыл бұрын
I used to have a 2000 chevy 2500 4x4 6.0 4l80 it got 12mpg on the freeway
@R85DAVID
3 жыл бұрын
I love Ford but their engines are over complicated and break down more easily. Chevy is smart, small block pushrod v8’s will never die as long as they keep it simple.
@smsteger89
3 жыл бұрын
4.10 gearing sucks though
@mikcun2799
3 жыл бұрын
The 6.6l l8t they tested here was actually not a LS engine. They are a fifth generation sbc like the 6.2l, but are stroked to 6.6l. So they are in the new "LT" engine family.
Good review. Thanks. Thinking instead of new truck, reinvest in my truck. 96 F. 250 w/460. I can save lil gas and a lot of 💰 when new one is 50K
@mikehaslett3738
2 жыл бұрын
There is a good video from bad tree productions on one of their trucks. Look it up. They did a Holley sniper throttle body with the factory efi on the 460. Actually worked really well. I think they were around 15/16mpg on it. And a considerable power gain
Considering it's a brick. 15 mpg ain't bad. The chev has a better drag coefficient. I think it'll even out on the ike, when aero is not a factor. 🤙🏻
@tcmtech7515
4 жыл бұрын
But whats it real world power and MPG numbers once the limp mode comes on due to whatever $1000+ emissions component of the week going out, since that's pretty much how every diesel I have seen built in the last nearing 10 years actually spends most of it life opperatiing running as? OH, wait! It's not a diesel so it doesn't have that problem! :D
It shows that V8's are the same as they were 50 (or more) years ago, unloaded 15 mpg. Nothing new under the sun. :)
@snikesnover1831
4 жыл бұрын
bill stewart and that will be $53,000 thanks here are the keys
@jakecreech1659
4 жыл бұрын
Bill you gotta remember that these engines have almost twice the output and the trucks weigh 30 percent more than the old ones. I understand what you are getting at though.
@Sorensenator86
4 жыл бұрын
@@jakecreech1659 ya bill
@smiller225
4 жыл бұрын
Except new trucks have twice the power output, way more towing capacity, quicker acceleration better everything and probably better fuel economy
@Andy-eh9qr
4 жыл бұрын
The new trucks are also at the mercy of the EPA. They’d use half the fuel otherwise.
Once again GM proves to have the best gas V8. The rest of the truck is still up for debate. I must say ford did good for port injection.
@rustynail914
4 жыл бұрын
Chevy makes a great truck.....this year's front end and mirrors just look like hot garbage.
@icu_corey_rn_903
4 жыл бұрын
I’ll hand it to GM they know how to make a solid gas v8 they’ve been doing it since the small block Chevy days
@keithwalters2511
4 жыл бұрын
I have a 2500 Chevy heavy duty. Mirrors are awesome for visibility around them. The chrome front looks much better. Absolutely love my truck
@stacyadiaz
4 жыл бұрын
I loved the longevity of my old 6.0 gas in the 2500HD I had but the 6.2 gas in my current F-250 pulls much stronger. I wished GM wouldn't have waited so long to upgrade the 6.0
@EliteFlight
4 жыл бұрын
Arnold D The 6.0 were junk motors. I’ve known people who have blown em up before the 150k mark.
My father has a 2014 Ford F150. It averages 13mpg. Without a load. (Edit) His truck is lifted slightly and has 35×12R18 tires.
@jase1911
4 жыл бұрын
He needs to keep his foot off the gas mine gets 16 -22mpg
@marcusmcintire6683
4 жыл бұрын
That's odd. What octane fuel is he using and does he haul stuff in the back or pull a trailer? Driving short distance lowers mpg's as well like in my '13 F150 with a 5.0L. I drive a 2 mile round trip 5 day's a week and 20 mile round trip on Sunday. My mileage is 7.2 mpg.
@jase1911
4 жыл бұрын
RIP off the stock exhaust and put in a K&N air filter plus air up your tires to almost max psi that helps immensely
@ZurkeyTurkey
4 жыл бұрын
something isnt right with that truck then my average between highway and city is about 17-18mpg
@ZurkeyTurkey
4 жыл бұрын
And that's half the reason why I wanna upgrade to an 18+, the fuel economy
If I was actually towing weight like that I wouldn't even bother with a 3.55 gear for the 7.3 engine
@codyparker679
4 жыл бұрын
I'd go stright for the 430. Gasser l love deep gears
@serfnuts
4 жыл бұрын
The 3.55 is only rated to tow 12k I think. The 4.30 can do 15k.
@acdii
4 жыл бұрын
The 10 speed makes up for it, it has a really low first gear.
@Purdue03b
4 жыл бұрын
@@serfnuts If it was only rated to tow 12k, why did TFL just tow 14.5k?
@Nostradamus_Order33
4 жыл бұрын
What happened to the 3.73 ?
Glad u guys went with basically a work truck trim f-250 gas it’s something most hard working people could afford rather than a platinum good job
Glad to see you are finally able to do mileage for the 7.3. Not real bad mileage for that big monster of an engine. Thanks for sharing Andre and Kent enjoyed the review.
Not unreasonable figures, they might improve with break-in and summer blend gas
6:24 Semi truck fuel economy
@joshualester2735
4 жыл бұрын
Some of trucks are hitting 10+ loaded now. Crazy. Our v10 school buses get 7.5 even with all the stops go and idle time. And 8.5 with Cummins. Though the diesels are all being phased out. Too slow, slow heat, and way more maintenance cost. Plus the noise/vibration. The gassers are so much nicer to drive.
I have watched many videos with truck comparisons. There are the Ford Guys, Dodge guys, and the Chevy men! When trucks come off of the showroom floors, stuff works. After 100,000 miles, let me see which trucks are still performing at a satisfactory level. New trucks have wat to many bells and whistle gadgets and that leads to more failures. I live in a harsh winter climate 5 months out of the year in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. Mechanical door steps, multi use tailgates, auto tailgates, low profile wheels, fancy chrome trim, and lady features! All that stuff fails at -10 and in deep snow with a 100 Libs of ice stuck to the truck. Ford has tons of great tech! Dodge plenty of power with a Yugo transmission! And the Chevy with a check engine light. I got 240,000 on my 02 Chevy Avalanche and it lasted 17 years before I sold it. I bought a 14 Chevy WT 1500 with 100,000 and it works great. Not a lot of bells and whistles, but practical. I just want a rust proof truck, which the manufacturers can make but they won’t.
My 7.3 wouldn’t get 15 mpg if you dropped it out of an airplane. Running around out in the pasture driving to town averages about 9 to 10 miles a gallon Drove it the other day on the open road with the cruise set at 68 miles an hour averaged about 13.1 with a 355. Still a heck of a lot better than my old 454. Technology has come along ways.
7.3 "Godzilla" ....meanwhile..... 2001 GM 8.1 Vortec glares over the top of it's morning paper, sipping coffee quietly.
@4-LOW
4 жыл бұрын
The GM 8.1 never sipped coffee. It guzzled oil.
@djcarkhuff
4 жыл бұрын
@@4-LOW lol, that's true. I had a '02 crew cab that would casually sip about a quart every 1-2k miles.
@andrewhigley6788
4 жыл бұрын
OFFRD I’ve got a ‘01 2500hd with the 8.1 and it doesn’t really go through oil real fast but I do get about 8mpg empty 😂😂. But that’s life, I didn’t buy the big block for mpg lol
@benjaminwayneb
4 жыл бұрын
8.1 with 100 less HP. then the 7.3.
@braddenr.4778
4 жыл бұрын
benjaminwayneb built in the early 2000’s there bud. So what it has 100hp less, makes more torque and I can guarantee it’s a hell of a lot more reliable than this not really that impressive 7.3 gas.
Great comparison and you're the only one doing doing towing tests. Like to see you add coolant temp and EGT to your tests. EGT is usually a diesel thing but towing it would be interesting to see how gas exgdust temps under load.
@videopipeline6419
4 жыл бұрын
EGT matters on turbocharged engines because of the boost. EGT is not an issue on naturally aspirated engines, even when towing heavy uphill. Engine oil & trans. oil temps are.
Nice video guys. One thing I notice when checking gas mileage on my vehicles over the years, is that ambient temperature and wind can make a huge difference. My driving usually takes through Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee so I often see major temperature swings. As the temp goes down so does my mileage. I would really like to see the F-250 test on a warmer day. Enjoy your videos and commentary.
I had a2500 Ram power wagon and I loved the engine in it, it was a 6.4 gas and it would do anything that I needed it to do. Love love love the power wagon
Looking forward to the ike gauntlet!
Now let’s see the ram 6.4 hemi with the 8 speed please!
@sashashpiruk4865
4 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2019 ram 3500 6.4 hemi standard cab long bed 4x4. 410 rear. Left nj with 900 miles on the truck. Drove to SW Florida towing 7000lbs. Keeping@ 65 mph and tire pressure at 80psi. I got 12.0 mpg. Very impressed the way it towed and how the transmission acted. I'm a Cummings diesel guy and again I was very impressed...
@natetoland7537
4 жыл бұрын
@@sashashpiruk4865 my dad has a 2014 3500 and he says it's the biggest piece of trash, it's been to the dealer multiple times per month and now the dealer doesn't want to work on his truck anymore, he was probably just unlucky with his truck
@sashashpiruk4865
4 жыл бұрын
@@natetoland7537 I'm sorry to hear that sir. I use to be a die hard Ford guy. But since the 6.0 and 6.4 diesel problems I went Cummings and Rams. I've had nothing but good luck with them. I use them for my transport business and snow plowing. I'm not a fan boy. Just have good luck.
@DragonKnightX12
4 жыл бұрын
Nate Toland Probably got a lemon. Should of used the lemon law to get a new one.
@shitloveaduck
4 жыл бұрын
Sasha Shpiruk - Cummins, Cummins. No g in there,,,,, hahaha. I have heard the same good reports about the Ram Diesels in the Ranching industry as well. All the diesel trucks are good with today’s engines, forgetting the past, but the most loyal followers seem to be Ram! Nice to hear from someone who really uses them and not a mall crawler. (Which I have become since retiring, I used all Ford because I’m cheap, but I didn’t have any problems since 2000. One F350 gas in there, it was a giant pig on fuel.) I have owned well over 100 trucks in my life but I’m done with first hand knowledge of work trucks as of last year. Maybe I will see more of your comments!! Stay safe out there, Eh.
My 1990 f250 4x4 with the 460 gets 13.2 mpg driving at 60 mph. It has 165,483 miles on the original engine.
@406Steven
4 жыл бұрын
You must have the E4OD and 3.73 gears. I had a similar F-250 (regular cab long box, nothing huge) with the 460, C6, and 4.10s and it had a hard time getting double-digit MPGs. I think the best I ever did was around 12 but that's no Overdrive and big gears in the rear end. It would pull anything you wanted it to but sucked gas down. The 460 would do 300k+ miles no trouble, I know plenty of people who used to use them pulling race cars and campers cross-country.
@retiredafce3373
4 жыл бұрын
@@406Steven it does have the E4OD with 4.10's and stock size tires/wheels. In town it 10mpg.
Well I just ordered a 2020 f350 with the 7.3 and I can't wait. I don't get trucks for gas mileage but I'll take 15mpg.
Chevy wins: 16 mpg unloaded. 6.9 mpg pulling the trailer. Ford: 15.1 mpg unloaded. 5.6 mpg pulling the trailer.
@jamesdenton5422
4 жыл бұрын
THE FORD HAD A HEAD WIND WHICH MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE. AND THE FORD ENGINE IS BIGGER AND MORE POWERFUL. 6.2 VS 7.3. DO THE MATH, THE FORD GETS BETTER FUEL ECONOMY PER LITER OF ENGINE SIZE. I DID THE MATH.
@horuslupercal3872
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdenton5422 found the Ford guy...........
@jamesnm21
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesdenton5422 someone said they put 10% ethanol in the Chevy and regular in the Ford though. If that's true the Chevy did even better.
@raionshishi8290
4 жыл бұрын
@@jamesnm21 That person were probably lying or mixed up, it was the Ford who got the ethanol mix and additives and was driving in cold winter with high wind. The Chevy was in summer with little wind.
@myers326
4 жыл бұрын
They ran 85 octane in the Chevy and pulled 16000 vs 14500.F the wind
Shouldn’t the wind somewhat cancel out? They would have had a tailwind if they had a headwind in the opposite direction
@Danlovestrivium
4 жыл бұрын
lol it's not they're in the jet stream! Wind conditions can change quickly and dramatically. Besides, I doubt they were going in a straight line the whole time.
@wiks101
4 жыл бұрын
Exactly; They are Ford fanboys so they had to say oh its the wind, The Chevy towed more and got better mileage.
@Matts000
4 жыл бұрын
ChicagoSox give your head a shake! I could run that Chevy on 3 different runs on different days of the week and I bet I would get different MPG results each time. Same for the Ford, that’s what happens when you have real world testing. And I hate to tell ya, but that Ford when properly equipped can tow and hall more than that Chevy.
@dylanthompson1558
4 жыл бұрын
Matt S the Ford can definitely tow, but after watching these videos for a few years they always say the result is the result due to real world testing. This is the first time I’ve seen them make an excuse for the Ford
@Matts000
4 жыл бұрын
Dylan Thompson that is true
Towing less weight and with a 10 speed trans, this truck should have blown the Chevy away. Kinda disappointing.
@johng4527
4 жыл бұрын
@Bo Brother yeah, i tow a large enclosed trailer regularly. and even with the same truck/trailer combo we never get the same gas mileage. it will always vary with the wind; even cross-winds have a huge effect. something else we have learned is that similar size trucks with comparable power will get vary similar mileage when towing, it's not even noticeable if it has a 6spd, 8spd, or 10spd, although more gears will improve acceleration when loaded heavy.
Finally. New 7.3 just has not met my expectations in hp, torque, or Mpg.
Omg my dad used to work for Cimarron Trailers in Chickasha, Oklahoma!!!
Your results are pretty much exactly what I expected; comparable but with the 6.6L doing a bit better. Direct injection is simply better from a pure power and efficiency standpoint.
"we had some wind" wind makes a huge difference.
So imagine gm adding a 10 speed to their new gasser. Might be better than 16 mpg.
@billiebuckamer8189
4 жыл бұрын
I don't think more gears is always a good thing. I recall on another Gauntlet test one of the two trucks tested had more gears and it kept upshifting and taking the engine out of the power zone. Then the engine would begin to strain and the truck would downshift. It cycled like this the whole way up the mountain...very annoying if I recall. That said, the Ford has good torque so it may not be an issue.
Would be nice to see them tow the same weight at a more fuel efficient speed. I usually tow around 60 mph with my f350 dually 6.0.
@TdrSld
4 жыл бұрын
I think that's one of the biggest problems in their test, they do it at speed. Most people pulling that heavy of a load in a gas (hell even in a diesel) would be 60-65mph for safety and control of the load. Also the Chevy was done in summer and lite winds, the poor Ford got winter fuel (packed with additives and maxed on Ethanol) and high winds. I can tell you all about how high winds effects MPG, I live on the South Texas Coast. We see 20mph + winds very regularly, my 2010 Tundra unloaded driving into that high wind will make 8-9mpg @60mph and 5-6mpg @75mph. But if we get a very calm day of wind, I get 20.8mpg @60mph and 16-17mpg @75mph. Best I have very got was 24.276mpg @60mph with at least a 25mph wind at my back on a trip up to San Antonio. My combined over the 2 years I've had the truck is 13.295mpg, that's about a 35% highway and 65% city driving. Right now on winter blend I'm pulling 10.8-11.9mpg in the city around here, in summer months I get 12.7-14mpg in the city (summer fuel here has almost no ethanol at all, too hot for it to stay in the tanks). So fuel is a big play just as wind is.
@TheVenom8343
4 жыл бұрын
survivalguy, my 6.0 powerstroke brother!! Yeah, towing my 5,500 lb camper, I run 65 MPH max. I own an 04 F250 6.0. I don't see how these people run 75-80 MPH safely!
@chuk2795
4 жыл бұрын
55 60 makes more sense than 70 for sure . The roads by my are so curvy you cant tow above 50
@jamesorr2404
4 жыл бұрын
60 MPH in the Ford is WOT LOL
@johnbrown2030
4 жыл бұрын
@@TheVenom8343 to answer your question ive been wrencing on a fleet of over 800 super duties in the harshest environment known to man ( the oilsands in northern canada ) since 2002 and can say they have gotten WAY more capable over the years , multiple brake upgrades, fully boxed frames, and way more tech as far as electronics (trailer anti sway , advancetrac etc..) the 2020's ride is far more capable then the 2002's (but i still like the simplicity of my 2009 v-10 ... )
Finally! We have results! Nice vid guys. Imo, the ford could do better, a couple examples on youtube were achieving much better gas mileage but, the real world varies based on altitude, temperature, how flat the road is, etc Depending on where people live, their numbers can be better or they can be worse, im rootin tootin for the the big block Ferd!
@yoddy0
4 жыл бұрын
Except wouldn’t you assume the same for the competition as well then?
@justinluttrell1769
4 жыл бұрын
Altitude mostly in this case. I took my V8 F-150 from Florida to ~6,300' elevation and lost about 2mpg hwy.
Here’s my 1.5 yr. ownership experience with the 2020 Chevy 2500 experience below. Thanks guys for your test reviews of this and the Chevy. And for your honest reactions that I noticed Andre seemed to hope the Ford Godzilla would do better than the Chevy especially since the Chevy pulled a heavier trailer. I’ve sensed from other videos how Andre likes the “Godzilla” name and all. To keep this peaceful, both essentially get within 1 mpg of each other, how’s that? PS, I own my 2020 Chevy 6.6L gasser and … love it thus far. I get 17-18 mpg US on Hwy and 14-15 city and worse for both in winter. I Love the 82” long standard bed, the front & rear side steps (plus the optional side mounted Bed Storage Boxes leaving 4 ft. Width in my box yet lots of storage = Awesome!!!) direct fuel injection engine with the JD Power proven reliability and beefed up 6L90 transmission for this new 6.6L. Because I live in an area that has +6 months of real winter, I appreciate the AutoTrac transfer case for more secure winter driving.
GM has historically beaten Ford and Dodge in fuel economy.
@throttleblipsntwistedgrips1992
Жыл бұрын
And then been towed home by both of them
It's all physics when it comes to towing . Every truck is going to get similar mpg. What's more important in my opinion is brake distances, merge lane acceleration and overall handling.
@philtripe
4 жыл бұрын
is that why trucks twenty years ago got half the gas mileage? im going to send you a brain in the mail...you can stick it in your ear
@shaun327
4 жыл бұрын
I wasn't really referring to 20 year old trucks. Even so whatever truck your using to tow 14K pounds with, it just takes that much gas (energy to move it). Yes technology has changed and i'm not arguing that. If you took a 20 year old truck and strapped 14K trailer to it, I'd bet it would still get similar mileage towing as the new ones,.. single digit mpg. Technology or not it just takes fuel, the new ones of course do tow better. So yes a 20 year old truck would not get anywhere near the same mileage empty if that is your point, however I said when towing, not overall mpg.
@snikesnover1831
4 жыл бұрын
My 2002 F250 with the 5.4 gasser can get 16+ mpg in the summer, and handle a 12,000 lb GVWR with plow and sander in the winter. It’s time to upgrade, but $53k is a tough pill to swallow.
@jasonmasters9653
4 жыл бұрын
@@philtripe and the funniest comment of 2020 goes to...... 2big 2fail
@rustynail914
4 жыл бұрын
Not true. Different fuel systems and ignition systems can improve the energy lost by the fuel consumption of the engine. The modern engine is still only about 30% efficient. The rest of the gasoline is lost in the form of heat. Being able to capture more energy and use the gasoline more efficiently is constantly improving.
So much for the 10 speed giving it an edge... Also caught that they said the truck floated from 7 th gear to overdrive and back a lot. Maybe that's why GM kept the old 6 speed. These trucks were built for reliability first after all. I'm sure they are all making less power than they could too for reliability purposes.
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
Agreed. The gm trucks have always been about the total package. They have always been competitive despite not having the highest numbers.
@Welcometofacsistube
4 жыл бұрын
Lol GM and reliability?
@matthewrobertson156
4 жыл бұрын
I factor in the differential gear. That Chevy test was a 3.73 rear end. This Ford is running on winter gas with probably the heater running and on 3.55 gearing which is crazy for pulling this much weight.
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
@@Welcometofacsistube The only two trucks that had reliability problems on the Ike gauntlet were Ford's.
@arbiter1
4 жыл бұрын
@@Welcometofacsistube um GM 6.0 liter? that thing built like a tank. My uncle had a work truck with it and it had 350k miles on it and still was going strong.
What I can’t figure out is why they used 85 octane on the Chevy and 87 octane on the ford. Is their bias only against GM. Do both of these trucks on the same day WITH THE SAME FUEL.
@SMiller5488
4 жыл бұрын
Because they tested the Chevy months ago
@tylerp8951
4 жыл бұрын
SMiller5488 what does that have to do with the octane they used
@GDatum
4 жыл бұрын
SMiller5488 maybe they used higher octane in the ford this time in hopes it doesn’t break down going up the Ike like the previous model did last year 🤷♂️😂😂
@gen1c8rs88
4 жыл бұрын
@@tylerp8951 Warm weather fuel vs cold weather fuel. 85 for the Chevy and 87 for the Ford helps even out thier performances.
Give me the Chevy any day!
@brentvance3958
4 жыл бұрын
Jesse James you can have it. That thing is fugly.
I get 13mpg in my '11 f250 2wd w/ 6.2 gasser ... I'd call 15mpg a decent improvement.
Just want to say you guys do an amazing job all the time! For future comparison videos, would it be possible to film both trucks on the same day with Mr Truck in the other vehicle to eliminate variables like the wind and weather conditions if it could be done logisticly.
So your comparing a test where you wore a t-shirt to one that you have snow on the ground. 👌👌👌 because cold weather doesn't affect mpg at all. Mpg in winter is 12-22% difference. Get the chev back out and try again. Air density change etc. Cant compare yet.
@MattSmith-vl8zp
4 жыл бұрын
I hate when they test during the winter. I know they really do t have a choice but cold weather really affects mpg.
@UvidCo
4 жыл бұрын
Cold weather also produces more power.
@BigInjun05
4 жыл бұрын
@@UvidCo less energy efficient in winter. Only electric makes more power and not electric cars either thanks to our battery tech. Does make more power, just takes more fuel.
@billiebuckamer8189
4 жыл бұрын
The Ford is pulling less weight so I don't see much of a difference.
Since you also needed to run mid grade in the Ford that made a fill up even more expensive.
Are we really surprised the Chevy did better though?
@BEBNC1
4 жыл бұрын
No...just fanboy feelings hurt. Haters gonna hate, tbh.
Wow impressed with Chevy winning!
Idk why people seem to think 15mpg isnt a great number for a big block 3/4 pick up. That's freaking good!!!! My half ton with a 5.0 small block only gets about 10mpg. 12 if theres no headwind. Like what do yall expect it to get? 23mpg? 30mpg?
Not tested under the SAME conditions.
you boys seemed to favor the ford over the chevy in this test
@bradzimmerman3171
4 жыл бұрын
Mr.Waynes they know trucks and GM really doesn't they kind of lope along & hope dummys buy there lame products
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
Well, it's a ford that made it through the test without a problem so they're pretty excited about it.
@jkheslekrants
4 жыл бұрын
@@bradzimmerman3171 Interesting commentary when the Chevrolet did better with a heavier trailer, 4 less gears and nearly a liter less displacement 🤔
Who want a transmission that's hunts through 7-10 gears all the time.....
@gen-x-zeke8446
4 жыл бұрын
As long as you're not dealing with too many hills, then you won't be worrying about 7-10. My buddy is a mechanic and he's probably 75% reliable which I can say more for some people.
@JS-nd1po
4 жыл бұрын
Thats one issue I have with GM truck transmissions. They don’t like to shift and they will sit in a gear and high rev unless you punch the gas.
@tedschmitt178
4 жыл бұрын
After having a F-150 with the 10 speed and towing 6200 pounds, and trying to tow that same 6200 pounds with a 6-speed F-150, I will take the 10 speed ALL DAY LONG. Period.
@mattg7952
4 жыл бұрын
The EPA.
My 2017 6.2 with a 6 speed does much better - I will stick with the 6.2. Not much difference in HP and Torque. Unloaded and stock, I get 17 mpg through the mountains of NC.
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Put a 16000 lb trailer behind the ford like you did the Chevy
@deeshotta7076
4 жыл бұрын
airlite44 why if the Chevy had more weight and still beat it theres no point
@yzhang8629
4 жыл бұрын
It is above the gooseneck tow rating of a F250 with 7.3V8 and 3.55 rear axle. www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_SuperDutyPU_r1_Nov7.pdf
@mechanic684
3 жыл бұрын
@@yzhang8629 yes and the Chevy was going up very steep hills all the time it was going through the test. 😅
Can we do the Ram 6.4l next??
I think it’s worth mentioning the 4 door cab weights a lot more then a standard cab, sometimes by as much as 1000 pounds.
I have a 01' SuperDuty 4x4 with the 6.8 V10. With over 130K miles on the clock it gets 14 mpg at 65 mph empty and when I towed my 11,000 lb trailer from Seattle to Maine, I averaged 8.5 mpg for the 3,200 mile trip. My truck weighs 7,800 lbs empty. Considering that it is in great shape and paid for, I would be hard pressed to buy new when the fuel consumption numbers are not any better.
I would take 15mpg for a more commercial style engine like this I’m liking the 7.3 more and more
Winter fuel and wind will kill fuel economy every time.
@MountainMcCumbee
4 жыл бұрын
boss2nine that’s why they used mid grade in the ford and regular in the Chevy. But the Chevy was still towing more weight.
call it what it is....a clear cut win for chevy. the chevy pulled more weight and got better MPG at the same time. that is huge
@raionshishi8290
4 жыл бұрын
It didn't need to deal with the conditions the Ford was in tho.
@tristanhipps604
4 жыл бұрын
@@raionshishi8290 right it only had to deal with the extra sports car it was towing.
@raionshishi8290
4 жыл бұрын
@@tristanhipps604 Doesn't make a big enough difference compared to conditions, the conditions of the area matters way more then the weight, have you ever been to a drag strip before ? Those that have been like myself can tell you that conditions really do matter, alot more then what the car is hauling. It can have tons of HP but if it can't put it all to the ground or use it efficiently then there is no point.
Just to put things in perspective, my 454 BBC with an NP 4500 gets 8.2 MPG on the open road, and 7.9 in town. So, your 15 and 16 MPG sound pretty good to me. --- Thanks for the great upload. ---
10 speeds in my opinion they actually add complexity, weight , frictions when a 8 speeds would be enough. Only few years ago we had 4-5 speed auto and now they doubled them. I believe is more a marketing choice rather than technical.
@taylor5542
4 жыл бұрын
The 10 speed is superior to the 6. Take a test drive, it'll change your mind. I drive a work truck with the 10 everyday, and I'm convinced. It's better at everything. Smarter too.
@tylersutton1048
4 жыл бұрын
Must have never towed anything..
@rayman8991
4 жыл бұрын
Through research and from other opinions, I’ve always been worried about getting the 10 speed or even the 8 speed transmission.
@Flydevice1
4 жыл бұрын
Taylor for commuting and slightly better economy, yes. Both for hard work, towing etc... it’s not gonna last. Too many moving parts. I got a Chevy 2500 with 6.0 and 4spd auto, transmission still shifts like new with 250k miles while the gm 6spds are having issues before hand.
@geevenom8098
4 жыл бұрын
JJM 05 what year?
Ideally, the GM and the Ford could have been tested on the same day (or even at the same time, for the unloaded test!) in order to eliminate weather/wind as a variable, but we (unfortunately) don't live in an ideal world. I admit to being pretty intrigued by the new 7.3L Ford gasser, but it is REALLY difficult to compete with GM on OHV gas V8s... that has been their bread and butter for YEARS, with no forays into OHC architecture, etc... to take engineering dollars away from the OHC V8 program(s).
@sly9263
2 жыл бұрын
I don't think it's difficult for Ford to compete with it.. GM is now in 3rd place for truck sales, behind even Ram. Ford is still the only manufacturer that makes their own engine, transmission, and axles. Also the 7.3 torque curve is superior to the 6.6 and has forged internals- forged crankshaft. The Silverado is still using a 6 speed on their gas v8...
@CortJohnson
2 жыл бұрын
Add up the numbers dude. When GMC and Chevy trucks are combined they easily outsell Ford. The 6 so is a proven workhorse. We’ll see how the 10 does
@sly9263
2 жыл бұрын
@@CortJohnson please explain the logic in how using two truck brands with double the overhead for manufacturing that barely leads Ford when combined is somehow meaningful... lmfao IDK why some fanboys are so desperate to claim #1 with an obscure and meaningless calculation. GM can't sell 1 pickup line anywhere close to F-series or Ram.
@zimks
2 жыл бұрын
@@sly9263 GM just sold more trucks last month than Ford and Ram. It’s as simple as that.
@camclarke9952
2 жыл бұрын
@@sly9263 sounds like the only fan boy is you,,and ford has never outlived a Chevy truck,,do your research before you embarrass yourself anymore..
That mileage matches the best I can get out of my 04 5.4L F-150. I was one who expected a little more from the 7.3L, but Ford also has said that one of the major factors of going back to this big of an engine was the ability to work on it. They expect the majority of these to be fleet trucks and the ability to service/repair them quickly is a big selling point and saves a lot of money in the long run. It is made to house a big Diesel engine, but there is more room under the hood in that 7.3L then some V8 half tons.
You had Winter blend fuel in the 7.3 which gives worse MPG. When you tested the Chevy I think you were still in the Summer blend. Big difference in MPG with the two blends.
@remsterx
4 жыл бұрын
xelvic congrats welcome to real world testing. You get whatever gas they put in the pumps when you drive. They don’t have control over when they receive the trucks either
Seems like they really wanted Ford to beat Chevy. I had a hundo t on Chevy due to my experience of Chevy v8’s always getting better mileage.
Sounds about right to me, bigger engine more gas.
@muleoutpost8156
4 жыл бұрын
Would have been an accurate comparison had they tested both Chevrolet and Ford simultaneously (under the same weather conditions.) There is no telling what the temperature difference was(denser air gets more fuel), head wind/tail wind, etc...
@robertchapman4488
4 жыл бұрын
@@muleoutpost8156 Mr. Truck commented multiple times how windy it was. But I agree they should have done this comparison back to back with all the trucks.
Thank you very much for this video. Now I just have to wait a couple of years to see if either one comes up with problems. Both of them do better than my 2500hd 6.0. I get 14.5 and never go over 65 mph.
Seems like they were making a lot of excuses for that F-250. 🤣
Now if the Chevy beats it in a 0 to 60 towing test, that would be hilarious. 😂
@chrishansen7004
4 жыл бұрын
The Chevy is a 6.6L and the Ford is a 7.3L your kind of stupid the bigger the displacement the more gas you use I’d argue the ford is doing better than the Chevy considering the ford has 45 more cubic inches
@cooper6585
4 жыл бұрын
Well, based off of the 7.3 absolutely DEMOLISHING the Chevy up the hill now, I think we're safe on that not happening lol
@curtis1951
4 жыл бұрын
@@cooper6585 Yep. With the extra power, gears and lower rear gears it looks like a pretty good puller.
@co1003
4 жыл бұрын
Not happening! Lol!
As others have mentioned, what considerations were made for the winter blend fuel? Also, can you explain why you used 14,500 (trailer weight) with the Ford but 16,000 with the Chevy?
@bearatts
4 жыл бұрын
Probably because the Chevy was rated to tow more with a lower gear ratio, or it was just rated to tow more period regardless of axle ratio
@darrengibson644
4 жыл бұрын
Maybe to stack he deck...they paid for a Ford. Pretty sure the lower octane and Ethanol more than made up for winter blend, and oh....never mind the 10% lighter trailer
@gibbonsss8
4 жыл бұрын
@@darrengibson644 they didnt buy that specific truck they have a different 7.3.
@randythompson4006
4 жыл бұрын
These are max tow fuel economy test. Every video tfl does has glaring inconsistency between trucks. But so does everyone driving them too. Think of this as what a truck your thinking of owning does.
@GIGABACHI
4 жыл бұрын
Availability and life is not a str8 road w/o detours ? 🤔
GM needs to add the 10 speed to the 6.6L. The light duty half ton 10 speed auto was a joint venture between Ford and GM
@rlhmarines
4 жыл бұрын
DocTube ..The HD 10 speed in the F250/350 is not the same as the Allison 10 speed in the Silverado 2500/3500 Duramax. The 1/2 ton trucks do share the GM/Ford joint venture light duty 10 speed transmission but they went in separate directions for the HD's.
@doctube2020
4 жыл бұрын
rlhmarines True. I know they worked on the 10 speed together for the half ton truck and suv. I assume the HD 10 speed is based on the lighter duty 10 speed but with upgraded components. Fun fact: GM has built Allison transmissions for years, GM sends the transmission to Allison to have it validated to meet their standards and receive the Allison branding. www.tfltruck.com/2018/12/2020-chevy-silverado-hd-allison-transmission/
@gen1c8rs88
4 жыл бұрын
@@doctube2020 Ford's HD 10-speed is externally larger than the F-150 10-speed.
This is awesome battle of the Big Block V8 mate. Ford 7.3L Godzilla V8 vs GM 6.6L Ecotec gas V8.
Thats pretty much the same as the 6.2 with the 6 speed gets
@TheMCD1989
4 жыл бұрын
Ya I am really hoping there will be some more numbers to compare to soon. The loaded mileage is actually worse than my 6.2 6 speed...
@marcusworld87
4 жыл бұрын
That 3.55 just arent good for towing ,
@zb6618
4 жыл бұрын
Marcus'World it’s coupled to a 10 speed, and first gear is the equivalent of 4.10 gearing with the 6 speed
@WhoThisGuy515
4 жыл бұрын
@@zb6618 you're in first gear for about 2 seconds. More gears doesn't equal more mpg. More gears help when towing up and down grades by being able to keep the engine exactly at it's peak power because the gears are closer together. 3.55 gears are still 3.55 gears at highway speeds
@zb6618
4 жыл бұрын
cody roland the 10 speed keeps it at the ideal ratio after first gear, so it pretty much doesn’t matter what the rear gear ratio is because the 10 speed makes it so that it has the same ratio from the engine to the rear end
So you’re gonna be stopping for gas about every 250 miles. “I needed to stretch my legs anyway.”
@406Steven
4 жыл бұрын
I stop for gas about every 250 miles or so in my F-250, and 250-300 miles in my Impreza. Unless the Mrs is coming along, then we're stopping every 1-1.5 hours for a pee break and might as well top off the tank while we're stopped.
This was good to watch but if you test brands, test on same day with same trailer with identical rear gears. I know a lot of viewers that are saying this same thing. Might be different results
@donleamon8653
4 жыл бұрын
Oscar Mayer they do their best, but get what they get when they can. Gives you an idea though based on the consistent loop. It’s not like you’re going to see a 5-10 mpg variance.