I had the same symptoms and codes P0012 & P0022 on my 2010 Ford Expedition. My car was sounding like a diesel truck when i turn corners and came to a stop. I was getting ready to replace VCT solenoid but your earlier suggestions made me check the oil myself. I took out my dipstick and there was no oil at all on the stick. I went and purchase 2 quarts thinking that should get me back to normal but I ended up having to put in 5 quarts. After this I didn't have that issue any more.... Thank you for the video, you saved me from spending my income check!!! :)

@dLikesDDs

4 жыл бұрын

holy shit.

@dLikesDDs

4 жыл бұрын

@Magnum Mountaineer agreed, the camshafts would have seized to the head at the point due to starvation. just went thru this on a 2010 i bought where the previous owner ran it out of oil.

@ericsmith3484

4 жыл бұрын

This Message was intended for people in my situation that don’t know of proper maintenance procedure for car. In my case,my oil light was not working an oils dropped between 4-5 quarts low. I only posted on this site because this video saved me from spending unnecessary money an wanted to return favor by spreading the knowledge

@Sheeeeeeeeeeeeiiitt

2 жыл бұрын

@@ericsmith3484 thanks for sharing. Do you mind elaborating on the lack of oil cause? Was it due to a leak? If so what failed? Did the shop who serviced the engine forget to add oil? How many miles was it driven before the engine began to stumble and throw codes? Genuinely curious.

@erikmartinez7757

Жыл бұрын

My 2010 Ford F-150 does the same thing whenever I would turn corners it would begin to raddle and shake and also sounded like a diesel truck.. mainly would occur at drive thrus smfh

Great video, straight to the point, clean edits, good visuals. I especially liked your wave form study. Keep em coming.

i started out skeptical, was a bit rough at the beginning, then around 1:45 you catch your groove and just drop knowledge the whole rest of the video. good stuff man. liked and subscribed.

hell yeah that video helped me out dude!!! I appreciate you taking the time to post this up and show us all a common problem on these mod motors

@adperez7215

2 жыл бұрын

Hi how much. Is the cost to fix. It

Thank you for taking the time to show us the way. Good video

Extremely helpful, I'm getting a P0012 Bank 1 so probably the same issue u found bad on ur truck just opposite. But will still check other items per ur video. Thx!

The best part was the end . Showing the Big Boss watching Daddy. Loved it👍🏻 God Bless

Great video and very helpful, thank you, my 2008 Ford Expedition is going thru this problem.

I am having this exact issue thank you for making this and it was very informational

I just did my timing, same thing you diagnosed low tension on the chain, and low oil pressure surprising my tensioner gaskets where still in one piece, replaced everything including cams and went with the new roller followers design and lash adjusters.

Yes thank you! Pretty sure I had catastrophic failure of phasers and everything else that has to do with timing, going to tear into it tomorrow and see if I need a new motor, it runs just very rough! Dam 5.4 3Valve!

Love my 5.4 in my ex county f150 with the factory upgraded f250 drive train and suspension. Just replaced the motor at 220,000 so this 2005 will be around for 20 yrs.

This really helped a lot big time cause I’m having the same problem

I've tried absolutely everything to get my 05 3v back to running and driving I think this may very well be my problem. I'll be pulling the covers tomorrow to see

Great video exactly what I needed to know the information was clear and easy to understand thanks

@adperez7215

2 жыл бұрын

Hi can I ask a question about this comment

Before you go too far down the rabbit hole on this, make sure you check your oil. Apparently my truck burns oil more than I thought and was super low and that (as stated) can cause the issue. So far so good.

I got a similar issue with My 5.4 3v I Will traje a look those parts and Fox it, thanks for your vídeo

Great video! I’ll try and replicate your tests!

Thanks for the information dude

Great video!! Thank you!!

nice explanation thanks

Excelente profe

Definitely shed some light

Great video sir thanks

Amazing skills

That is a big engine compartment. i am ready to do my Navigator and will most likely change everything while I am there. I had an accident with my oil filter and my wife was driving the car. Not her fault but she drove it until the engine stopped. I filled it with oil and I am getting phaser noise and timing codes. No oil pressure caused it I guess. Hopefully there is no damage beyond the timing and phasers. I sounds good but rough idle.

Thank you

Thanks for you video

I fixed my 2010 4.6 f150 by replacing the cam shaft position sensor and VCT solenoid . The 4.6 requires the valve cover to be removed to change the solenoid . Also , the cam shaft position sensor broke off flush with the casing so I had to remove the valve cover anyway to get out broken piece .

Great video

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I got a 2011 Ford Edge from an action. We I start the car on it does the same noise that I think I heard in this truck in the video. So, I took the car to the auto zone and the codes were P0012, P0017 and P0022. From that point, I took my car to 2 different mechanics. One of them told me to buy the kit that comes with the time chain, tensioners and the holders. The other guy told me that the noise could come from the valves. Now I’m here without know whom should I trust to put my money.

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

6 жыл бұрын

Ask the mechanic for a printout of the camshaft position waveforms; if he or she cannot provide you with this information then go somewhere else. A good first step for you could be to install(or have a mechanic install) new VCT(variable camshaft timing) solenoids and perform an oil change. Be sure to buy OEM(original equipment manufactured solenoids). If it turns out your vehicle needs a new timing set, these parts would need to be replaced anyway.

Thanks, good video.

excellent video, thank you

Thank you sir

THANK YOU

Nice Video. Helped a lot

Thanks so much!!

Muchas Gracias Amigo, Thanks a Lot My Friend, Your Video Brings More Light Into The Darkness Of My Mind...

@juanpaz156

4 жыл бұрын

Hola soy de chile me sale el scanner conde po022 que debo hacer puede ser en español

@leonciorodriguezaguilera9513

4 жыл бұрын

@@juanpaz156 Hola Juan Espero Te Encuentres Bién, Hace un Par de Semanas Tuve un Problema Similar Con El Codigo P0022 Y La Solución Fué Limpieza de Los Solenides qué Se Localizan en Las Tapas de Punterias Con Un Limpiador en Spray Para Carburadores, Necesitas Checar Si Los Filtros de Malla qué Llevan Éstos Solenoides Se Encuentran en Buen Estado ( qué No Estén Perforados) Porqué Sí Están Dañados Tienes Qué Remplazar Los Solenoides, Además Despues de Limpiarlos o Remplazarlos Debes Cambiar el Aceite del Motor Por el Grado Indicado Por El Fabricante del Vehículo en Cuestión, Espero Te Sirva Ésta Información...

@juanpaz156

4 жыл бұрын

@@leonciorodriguezaguilera9513 ok muchas gracias .mira lo que le pasa .parte bien después de calentar normal se me descontrola y aparece el conde. Po022 revise las válvulas que me dices y están sanas igual las limpie y el aceite es 5w30 nuevo pero sigue con el problema.

@leonciorodriguezaguilera9513

4 жыл бұрын

@@juanpaz156 Hola de Nuevo Juan, Cuando Sacaste el Aceite Sucio Te Fijaste Si No Tiene Pedacitos de Metal o Plastico ?

@juanpaz156

4 жыл бұрын

@@leonciorodriguezaguilera9513 hola mira lo llevé a cambiar a un servicio no sabría decirte .e visto artos videos y todo me lleva a trabar el piñon es lo que me queda creo. Te tinca e agotado que más hacer😔

Thanks for the info very helpful..

I have a 2007 Ford F150. I gave the code p0012 p0022 and p0345. but when you're driving it, it turns off the engine when you stop. is constant that l.

Great!! Very helpful

I know this is an older video, but did the problem with this truck act intermittent? Or was it all of the time, more curious if while running if it was off by 1 tooth, if the computer was compensating using the cam phaser and could make it run well for the most part.

After you change the tensioners did the noise come back or it stopped right after ? Thank you so much for the video.

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

5 жыл бұрын

Tough to answer. The noise pre vs post repair is relative to each vehicle. On this truck, the chain was so loose that it would smack against the timing cover during a quick deceleration. That noise did go away.

Do you have a video after the repair to see the cams in synch? Great video!

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

6 жыл бұрын

Maic Salazar Diagnostics; I can do that! Thanks for the comment.

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

5 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYSTx8VvqZC8d7Q.html Waveforms :)

Did you just change the timing tensioner? Or putting whole new timing set in?

I have a 2010 F-150 king ranch. I’m showing codes p0012 and p0022. I was driving and it started misfiring and shut off. Now it wont crank. My truck burned oil quicker than I thought so I was very low on oil. I refilled my oil to see if the pressure would engage it open. However no luck. Could it be destroyed?

Wonderful video

i see your using picoscope freeware but how did you hook up the camshaft sensors for the correlation test? is there an obd kit different from an elm adapter?

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

5 жыл бұрын

The scope has two channels, 1 test lead to bank 1 variable reluctance(VR sensor, or magnetic pick up or cam) sensor and the other channel to bank 2 VR sensor. This test is performed separate from the DLC or any scan tool. I guess you could bench test the sensor with an ohm meter if you’d like🤔

My friend I'm needing your help, I have the p0012 code in f150 5.4 2004 Triton, I replaced the solenoids sensors and camshaft sensor too and the problem in my truck continue. Not power at all , and the scan show up the same code P0012. What I can do? Thanks

It's actually the cam position sensor. It's right over the oil filter so after changing the filter several times your hand bumps the wire and crimps it up..

I have an 06 with same issue although the other sides adjuster gasket went out . I am going to replace my adjusters with the metal type used in the 5.4 2v 1st gen engine . I believe it's how that you modify them when building for high performance .

I bought a truck at an auction and have both these codes. Pray for me bros I’m gonna change the oil and change the vct solenoids and hopefully that fixes it. I’m really hoping I don’t have to drop the cash on an oem timing kit.

Hi, iam trying to ground the solenoids but neither wire is giveing me 12 v

I had some mecanc to do ma timming i bought after mkt parts at oreally auto parts i supose its got to be original parts

So basiccally how i can fix this 2 codes?

When you probe the ground wire on the solenoid is the wire you have connected to pos. Or neg ? Do you add power to the solenoid or just ground to ground?

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

5 жыл бұрын

Ground to ground. If you have the jumper polarity wrong or touch the wrong wire, you will smoke the computer.

@RG-lw9uw

5 жыл бұрын

How much normally does it cost to have the timing chain corrected.and should a new chain and tensioners be replaced with new?

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

5 жыл бұрын

The book time for timing chain replacement is approximately 10hrs. It is recommended to change all timing components when replacing timing chain. Expect to pay $1,400 for parts and labor

@Davigu

3 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillyrigrepairs1814 Would i smoke the computer if i did ground to 12v wire on the connector? I am not getting 12v at the solenoid

I just replaced every timing related and still getting this code... now p0018 as well.

Can too much oil cause this code to come up?

Question I got my motor apart chain jumped three teeth so question is to get timing back with new marked timing chain so I just move cam till marks on chain line up with phaser or is that dumb?

@dxta7360

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

Did you end up putting new chain kit on it ? My phaser is knocking and it has a REALLY bad idle and almost stalls at points . Wanting to replace the chain but don’t want to do that if I have to replace the engine . It starts up and stays running but just really poor shakes really bad and putts it seems like

@Michael-db9om

Жыл бұрын

These engines are known for timing issues. The oil pump is lacking. Replace the oils pump while you and in there with a Melling 340hv oils pump. They provide 20% more oil volume. I would also replace roller follers if your engine has the old model. The core of the engine is good so as long as you fix the timing issues you should get 250k+ miles out of the engine if given regular oil changes.

Awesome troubleshooting Sir. How many miles were on this motor and what was year of manufacture? What screen are ya using there ?

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

3 жыл бұрын

O6’ 125K

@onemanwreckincrew

3 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillyrigrepairs1814 Thanks. Neighbor's Explorer is 2007 4.6L, with 130k miles. Runs good til it gets warm then rough idle with some noise up in front of engine. I checked oil psi and got 50psi initially at idle but it fell down to 15-20 psi when hot. Stethoscope says noise louder on bank 1, passenger side, which is where the P0012 code points to. Will advise him that front of motor will have to come apart along with valve covers. Has anyone else noticed that nobody seems to be selling the hydraulic tensioner mount gaskets with the kits. Rock Auto does sell them but ... separately. I'm pondering whether people are forgetting to install them ... inasmuch as several posts in this thread complain of doing a complete Timing Chain job only to still have problems. Finally is there a TSB for this update / revised oil pump or is it just a PN supercession ? Thanks in advance. DPQ in FLL.

@onemanwreckincrew

3 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillyrigrepairs1814 Thanks. Have you seen this vid by Cloyes. It mentions excessive wear and clearance at the front journal for the cam bearings, which of course is a big problem ... requiring head replacement ? kzread.info/dash/bejne/iYmTzMylhNOrc9Y.html

How many degrees off was your scan tool showing the cam to be? VCTerr?

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

4 жыл бұрын

You should be able to find the info in the code setting criteria found in the service data. Hope that helps.

Did you ever actually verify that it did jump the timing? I replaced the lifters, rockers, both VCT solenoids, phasers, chains...the whole shebang! and now getting those 2 codes P0012 & P0022. I don't want to tear into it again unless I am sure it jumped the timing (although I really doubt it!!). The truck runs good.

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

3 жыл бұрын

You really need a scope hooked up to look at the waveforms-the cam and crank correlation has to be dead on with these engines..Don’t get frustrated, just keep going. Good luck

@bluegizmo1983

2 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillyrigrepairs1814 is there any way to do a cam/crank relation test with an oscilloscope that does not have isolated grounds between channels? My Picoscope 2204A does not have isolated grounds between channels, so when I hook up to both the crankshaft sensor and camshaft sensor, the truck won't even start or run because the grounding issue. I can test either one of the sensors independently, but not simultaneously....

3:20 the ground wire the other end is connect to the battery or were do I connect it

@joemilton7552

4 жыл бұрын

Any bare metal should work but battery negative is best

Ohhh

So, if the timing chain jumped, I should immediately get the codes again after clearing them, and starting back up?

@vivalatink716

2 жыл бұрын

Uhm take this with a grain of salt,but maybe? I know if you use an OBD2 scanner you can reset codes,usually when the car is off And with my experience sometimes the certain code/s show up within seconds of clearing BUT I have had other codes not re appear for like 330 min/1 hour and than re appear But I guess what I'm saying is if it isn't there after fixing and clearing the first hour than it's safe to assume you had fixed the problem (Also the codes referrals were a P0017,P0016 on my Toyota Venza) Also now I got the P0012 and P0022 codes shown fml. It was extremely low on oil

So definatelly its the hydryl preasurs

Doc let me know if u are round f lauderdale florida i have u do this job for me buddy if u please

Im working on a 5.4 and when cranking it sounds like there's no compression on all cylinders. What do you think would cause this? It won't fire on starter fluid. I am thinking the timing is off causing no compression.

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

6 жыл бұрын

It could be a thousand things-saying that, I can try and help. I’m assuming the truck started not too long ago. I’m assuming the truck did not just have major engine work done. If you were spraying starter fluid and the engine didn’t even fart, I would move to ignition. I would suggest an in-line spark tester(just in case the plugs are original). I seriously doubt both timing chains are broken, causing the cam not to move-but you could remove the oil cap and see if the rocker arms are moving while someone cranks the engine over. In order for all cylinders to have no compression on a V8 engine bad things have to be going on.

@MatthewBecker7

6 жыл бұрын

Hillbilly Rig Repairs thanks for the help. Full story, truck was pulling into parking spot moving at idle. Truck dies instantly. Thought it was out of gas. Tried starting it for half hour after putting gas in and using starting spay to make it run for 5 seconds. At that point the truck would run for a moment with starting spray. Then noticed the injectors started to go crazy making noise like they were sticking open and closed really fast. The truck started to stop firing on starting spay then shortly after hydro locked from fuel dumping into cylinders. When I cranked the starter it locked. Finally noticed the front drive side tire had rubbed through the wiring harnesses under the wheel well. We had over size tires on the truck and making that last left turn into the parking spot might have fried the PCM. So order and new PCM had a new key programmed and let the engine dry out and now when turning over the engine it sounds it has no compression. I Haven’t actually check for compression but it won’t even sputter on starting spray. I will check for spark tomorrow.

What new set did you put back in the truck? How’s it running after the install?

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

3 жыл бұрын

All Ford OEM parts. Havent had any complaints about the truck-and it gets beat up on daily.

@kbrown4023

3 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillyrigrepairs1814 so I got mine all broken down oil pan and all. Passenger side guide was broken. Seems to have jumped time also. Do you have idea how I can get it back in time? I’ve ordered the whole new kit from freedom racing Ford motorcarft parts

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

3 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/o6SE1ZuEpa3TobA.html This guy is reliable

If my timing chain jumps is my engine considered to be cammed? That was cheap and easy..

@jeremylaxton7317

3 жыл бұрын

Huh? That made no sense

I have codes p0011 & p0021 i have changed camshaft, chain , oil pump , lifters , camshafts sensor but I still have have the same codes and the engine is shaking all the time what do you think ? Please help

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

5 жыл бұрын

I hear from a lot of guys who get these codes-they put an engine flush treatment in the oil, change the oil then throw new VCT solenoids on the truck. I guess you could pull the timing cover and verify timing marks are set correctly. Don’t forget the cam phasers are a failure prone item too. Getting a 2 channel lab scope and checking out some waveforms would be best..

@Sami_Alblehe

5 жыл бұрын

Hillbilly Rig Repairs thanks buddy for your advice

@kas0016

5 жыл бұрын

May have to reset KAM after these repairs.

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

5 жыл бұрын

kas0016 I would wait to clear the codes(I’m assuming that’s what you meant by “resetting Kam”) I would look on the scan tool to see if the cam and crankshaft signals are synced. Check other PIDS-make sure no new codes were set during the repair(ex: left a sensor unplugged) Check oil pressure and temp gauge on dash and bring the truck to operating temperature. Leaving the timing code in memory will have no effect on how engine runs. Now that everything checks out and all new data is saved, go ahead and clear the codes and proceed to check for a “hard fault”(Code comes right back on next scan). My 2 cents👍

@kas0016

5 жыл бұрын

@@hillbillyrigrepairs1814 I was referring to adaptive memory, I have a question, when I pull vct solenoid pigtail I get no change, In fact since I pulled it and put back it reduced and almost completely ended my low rpm sound that these are notorious for. My idle is quiet though. Shouldn't my idle sound rough like yours in the video when plug pulled? Ty

I had the same error p0022 i got it cleared, but the car making a weird rattle when letting off the gas, what could it be?

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

2 жыл бұрын

Likely a loose timing chain slapping against side of front timing cover.

Here are the Cam waveforms after the repair kzread.info/dash/bejne/dYSTx8VvqZC8d7Q.html

What If the truck dosent crank at all

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

3 жыл бұрын

Well I would verify starting circuit. -Sit in car with key on. Any weird security lights on/blinking? -key on high beams on then try and start. Do the lights stay bright? -put in neutral with foot on brake then try and start. -connect test light to starter stud and ground, test should light. -connect test light to starter “S” terminal and ground, should light when you try and start. -test light from battery ground to metal part on engine, try and start, should not light. Let me know what you find.

How much should a job like that cost

@hillbillyrigrepairs1814

3 жыл бұрын

I believe this job was around $1,200 Check out repair pal

So what cause the gasket to blow like that? Something eating away at it. Can seafoam left in crankcase too long cause this. I put some in my truck for about 4 to 5 days before I did an oil change about 2 to 3 weeks ago and I'm getting retarded on bank one so I'm assuming tensioner wasnt working properly and I was on a bumpy road and probably jumped.

May be this mecanc fuckd did not do the right or not replace any of parts

This engine is a piece of garbage and shame is in order for the Ford Engineers who designed it.

Great video

Awesome Thanks!