Perfect Example of a Stalled Take off

I feel your pain, my friend. I just got my Fms v3 ready to go! Maybe next week! 👍🙋‍♂️🖖🏻

The old corsair snap to the left. Insufficient power and the left wing stalls before the right wing. Later models had a triangular wedge fixed to the leading edge of the right wing just outboard of the guns to make both wings stall at the same time.

Airspeed is life. Use full throttle.

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

We live and learn. She will fly again.

Tore up a Hanger-9 Corsair years ago the EXACT same way. Condolences sir.

@willnate35

2 жыл бұрын

Condolences to you too my friend. Have a great day.

Here is what I see. Thought I would give my two cents everyone else has. This is the problem with grass take-offs. You have to use up elevator to pin the tail, and if you don't relax it after you get going. You don't gain enough speed for take-off, and you stall. Then to exasperate it all he gave it full throttle to counteract the stall, and caused the mother of all torque rolls. Which slammed his plane into the ground with full throttle. Hence the amount of damage. Sorry about your plane man. I felt your pain.

@willnate35

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the two cents. I love getting everyone's input to help us all be better pilots. You're observation was spot on. Have a great day my friend. BTW, the plane is all back together again. Oh Yeah!!!

Sucks so bad!!! sorry about the crash! I lost my FMS Stuka on its maiden for the exact same reason!!!

Can’t thank you two enough for this video. Got my bubble top in the mail Saturday afternoon, had it on the runway in less than 24 hours. (Unlike the 18 months I waited after the build to maiden the FL P-38) Had it not been for this video I would have suffered the same fate. EVEN EXPECTING the prop torque the Corsair darted left. (The build up to speed was gradual, but at some point the motor hits a different gear and with full right rudder, it went hard left. Abort on the first 2 tries. Lost some paint on the props, no big deal. On the 3rd attempt, I thought I’d try some takeoff flaps to maybe shorten my takeoff length. That seemed to be the right move. Not only did it get up quick, I never got the hard left pull. Flew twice on 5000’s and once on 6000. No difference on flight performance, time in the air, (6 minutes) or CG. (All batteries against the firewall, no added weights to the cowling. Once in the air it’s beautiful to watch fly. But damn, when you come out of turn, headed back down the runway for a low pass... it’s big, it’s fast and you know if it hits you or somebody else, it’s over. I flew it 90/30 rates, 55/30 on the elevator. Rich and Brian both commented there was too much elevator authority at high rates, but once I got it trimmed out it was easy to fly. No SAFE, no AS3X. Flew it like a grown man. Prefer the FL P-38, if I was forced to only fly one 1600mm Warbird, but the big Corsair after takeoff is super solid and easy to fly. Shout out again to you two for sharing the video. You’re better men than me. If I ever share a video it’ll have to be perfect, and make me look good. You guys saved me a wing, prop and or fuse replacement without question. I knew what was gonna happen on takeoff and still couldn’t compensate. I owe you both a case of beer, or cash. Thanks again.

@willnate35

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Jeff you're very welcome. I always look forward to your comments because they're always so positive. You're a gentleman and a scholar. Have a great day my friend.

@jeffhenderson934

3 жыл бұрын

@@willnate35 you guys are a class act, you don’t hide your mishaps, and help guys like me in the long run. Friend and Fan for life.

@willnate35

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffhenderson934 its an honor.

@jeffhenderson934

3 жыл бұрын

@@willnate35 Lets see, after about 8 flights with the Flightline 1600mm Corsair and a few more with the FL BIG Spitfire, with no issues, just uneventful fun flights I thought things FINALLY clicked. And Saturday I got cocky. I didn’t treat the Corsair with the respect it deserved. Didn’t feel I did anything differently, slowly increased throttle, got the tail wheel up, close to full right rudder and was about 3 feet off the ground and the dreaded 3 point summersalt. Left wingtip, right landing gear and prop. Nothing broke! Both wings now have stretch marks, yellow prop tips look bad, but overall it’s a tough plane. Just wish I knew what was different on the 9th takeoff than the first 8. Other than false sense of confidence. God what a helpless feeling! And there’s nothing you can do to save it.

@willnate35

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffhenderson934 It can bite you anytime my friend. Just when you thought you were an expert, the rc gods will strike you down. Fly fix then fly again, but never quit. Have a great day my brothah.

I have this same corsair. I fly off asphalt, so may not have some of your problems. My technique is to always go into the wind as much as possible. It WILL swing to the left if you don't stop it. I come in with power smoothly and begin giving right rudder to maintain a straight take off run directly away from myself. (easier to watch that it is really straight) I have partial flaps for most take offs, but I find on asphalt that the flaps are not totally necessary. As it gets up to speed I am holding slight up elevator so that the plane proceeds slightly nose up. Nearly always the plane gains enough lift with this process to go ahead and fly itself off. ( And I find at this point that keeping a straight line using right rudder is still very necessary.) Here is perhaps a critical item to consider. I am not so concerned about gaining altitude at this point. I AM concerned that the plane continues to gain flying speed! After the plane has gained enough speed, the rest of the climb out on a gradual assent is not so tough. FYI: I like to be more scale like, so I find using the above technique that I use a bit over half throttle to get it into the air. (I am sure that on grass I would need more throttle.) Thanks and Good Luck! - Jolly Roger.

@willnate35

Жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend. You sharing your experience is what makes this hobby so great. You are truly appreciated and I thank you one more time. Have an amazing day sir.

Sorry for crash. I'm on my second one and I find that being patient on takeoff ie, tail up and even application of speed will get you a great liftoff every time. Peace

@willnate35

8 ай бұрын

Thank you my friend. Live and learn. Have a great day.

I concur with your diagnosis doc, but what a heartbreaker... Not to worry though - it'll buff right out!

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Heart broken for sure. I think my brother was just a little over confident with this plane because it flies so well. Definitely worth putting her back together again. Take care my friend. Rick

Oh yea...been there and done that with my first Spitfire, the dreaded torque roll, not quit enough speed on takeoff and not enough right rudder, fixable yes, now time to customize, hope to see it back up soon👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼👍🏼👍🏼

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely fixable and she will fly again. Thanks for the view and have an excellent day!!

Just ordered the bubble top. I've had such a blast with the FL P-38 I thought I'd give another 1.6m a try. Sorry you guys crashed on the maiden, but thank you for sharing the video. I see a lot of right rudder in my future maiden and maybe right rudder subtrimmed in to counteract that prop torque. Hope you two got it fixed up, re-maidened and had a successful flight.

@willnate35

3 жыл бұрын

You'll have fun with it for sure. Just make sure you have enough speed before you try to take off or this might happnen. LOL As far as this plane she's been rebuilt and looks new again. Live and learn right. Take care and have fun with your new bubble top.

@jeffhenderson934

3 жыл бұрын

@@willnate35 i watched Rich at RCInfotmer’s video as well, and the SOB (LOL) continued (over and over) to takeoff at 1/2 throttle and the Corsair just slowly lifted off the ground and flew straight. I flew the little ArrowsRC Corsair Sunday night. Flew like a dream, but every takeoff started out tracking well, then hard left. No crashing, but that style of takeoff makes me look like a Rookie instead of the grizzled, mentally beaten, if it can go wrong it will, 6 year veteran of the sport. The FL Corsair shows up Friday. Pretty sure I’m installing the AR637T receiver. That’s what I have in the FL P-38 and it was a dream to fly in AS3X. Thanks as always for sharing the good and the “Learn from this” videos. Always helpful. Painful to watch, but helpful.

Air speed !!!!

I know the feeling brother. Did the same exact thing to the Freewing 1450mm P-51 "OLD CROW" on the first flight. Had been flying a smaller P-51 with a lower takeoff speed. Didnt account for the size difference. It was a heart breaker for sure. Again, I feel your pain.

@willnate35

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks my friend. Definitely a heart breaking moment for sure. Take care brothah

Just got mine. She's a beautiful plane to fly just gotta throttle it up!!!

Sorry this happened bro I have the same exact plane and I felt your pain!

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks brothah. S happens and it's part of the game so we cry a little then we keep on flying. She'll be back, I guarantee it. Take care. Rick

Just ordered my plane. Learning a lot from all the feedback. All I can say is, Ouch! Going to do a lot of ground work before I get airborne.

@willnate35

4 жыл бұрын

Ouch is definitely a word I'd use to describe that attempted takeoff. I have others but trying to keep this family friendly. LOL. Do your homework and learn from our mistakes. Don't forget to record it just in case. Take care and good luck my friend. Let me know how it turns out. Hoping for success.

That hurts. Sorry.

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

She's almost ready to fly again. Stay tuned. Have a great day.

Man that sucks , really sorry to see that

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah it does. Parts have been ordered, and with a some time, and maybe a little luck it'll be back in the air. Thanks for the view and take care. Rick

Hey Rick I know how you feel it hurt me watching it I know you’ll fix it and yes you need right rider on that on takeoff and a little bit of flaps and you’re good I learned the hard way on those who are birds And also you need a little bit more power not overwhelming power can’t wait to see that baby back in the year be well my friend and we gave you a shout out today LOL

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Kev. Crashes always hurt but it's part of the game. Take off flaps, more speed and we will have a much better flight next time. Shout out? You guys are the coolest. I was talking to you and Rowman on my re-maiden of the bear cat. Take care my friend.

Wished I had seen this a month ago. I am a slow learner. Same exact scenario with 2 new flightline 1600 Corsairs! One fixable, ready for flt. Will keep her one the ground with 3/4ths throttle until she takes off herself, NO flaps! Hope it works.

@willnate35

4 жыл бұрын

Your plan sounds good to me. Good luck my friend and keep us posted.

Almost had the same thing happen to me with my flightline corsair. That 18 inch prop causes a lot of torque. A torque roll to the left will try to get ya on every take off if you not into some right rudder. Hope you can fix her.

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Parts have been purchased and hope to have her ready to go in a week or two. Thanks for the view my friend. Rick

Oh no that’s gutting ! Done exactly the same crash with a maiden 109 flight

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Every crash hurts, but it does make room for a new one. Take care.

Man that sucks I have a new 1600 and I 'm a little scared to fly it. I guess I should use a little throttle to rudder mix so I don't forget but my knees will be knockin for sure sorry about your mishap

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Maidens are always nerve racking. Just double and triple check everything and learn from our mistakes. You'll be fine. Good luck my friend. Let me know how it turns out. Rick.

by the video it looked like the right aileron was up like he was trying to bank right

@willnate35

4 жыл бұрын

I think he was trying to correct it but it was way too late. It's all fixed now.

That sucks, fix it and fly again!! 👍🏼

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Every crash makes for a better pilot. Take care. Rick

No takeoff flaps, engine torque, and not enough speed maybe? It doesn't look that bad. You'll fix it.

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Learning the hard way stinks but it is what it is. If you fly, you will crash at some point. Definitely fix-a-ble and you will see her again. Have a great day my friend. Rick

Real life flight instructors heavily drill into the student brain that a stall speed shoots way up with bank angle. Iirc its called accelerated stalls...and is about as dicey as flying through thunderstorms.

@willnate35

4 жыл бұрын

100% right, and learned that lesson the wrong way. Problem is with grass runways you find yourself forcing the takeoff and we know what happens when you do. Only if we had a paved runway. Great comment and definitely worth remembering. Have a great day my friend.

I crashed my Corsair on the second flight aswell. Did it get up in the Air again?

@willnate35

3 жыл бұрын

So we share that awful feeling. It stinks but its all fixed now. Haven't flown it yet but soon, hopefully. Take care my friend. Rick

@Daniel_SWE

3 жыл бұрын

@@willnate35 I'm almost done with the repairs. Only missing the engine X-mount that have been out of stock for a couple of mounths now :D

@willnate35

3 жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_SWE You're almost there, thats awesome. Hopefully the part will be available soon.

Yep pulled to green brother

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Lesson learned for sure.

Find you some PAVEMENT Rick!! A scale bird bouncing off the ground without airspeed will kill it every time.

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

I know it. I thin the closest thing for me will be a dirt road. When you gotta fly, you gotta fly.

it might have been tail heavy too. that almost happened with my flightline corsair. but it didn't crash.

@willnate35

4 жыл бұрын

Crashing stinks. Have a great day.

Damm ,might be something to do with the ground ,it gets in the way ,no worries you.ll fix it

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Definitely will get fixed. Damn ground it hates planes!!! LOL

The eyewitness video shows excessive elevator input and low engine power setting throughout the takeoff phase of flight from T:54 to impact with the ground T:56. Opposite aileron input was used early at T:55 to correct the left yaw and increasing bank angle that occurred immediately after lift off at T:54, this indicates the pilot had a good data link and the control system was operational. However, the continuous up elevator input and low power setting throughout the takeoff run caused a decrease in aileron effectiveness, the elevator input was never relaxed through out the entire takeoff phase of flight. When the wing reached approximately 75 degrees of the vertical, also at T:55, the air over the outside wing was creating more lift than the inside wing, furthermore, the wing lift vector had now became horizontal, causing the nose of the aircraft to drop. The pilot tried to correct this condition at T:55 by using even more up elevator input, the resulting loss of lift could not be corrected with more up elevator input. The cause of this crash can be attributed solely to pilot error: The failure of the pilot to use proper published power settings for takeoff, the improper use of elevator input after initial lift off, and the failure of the pilot to follow proper takeoff emergency procedures, which call for an immediate increase of power to compensate for the loss of aileron ineffectiveness and wing lift. Additionally, there exist the possibility that a proper weight and balance calculation was not conducted prior to the flight. End of report.

@willnate35

5 жыл бұрын

Bill, this report is very impressive. The breakdown and details are superb to say the least. Are you an NTSB investigator? If not you should be. Well done my friend. Have a great day. Rick

@aarontaylor1484

3 жыл бұрын

Get a life