FS2020 is going to age like a fine wine. It just lacks some precision on complex systems, instruments and flight model. Give it a year and it'll be nearly perfect Best review on KZread btw

@MrPierreQc

3 жыл бұрын

"Best review on YT btw" - In total agreement with you. The gouping of simmers and elements retained for analysis make the video really useful in my opinion. He stands out from the crowd. Add the fact he has flown real airplanes too.

@RKDriver

3 жыл бұрын

I tried out FS2020 and ended up deleting. Couldn't get my TrackIR to work nicely. XP11 works very well with VR and TrackIR+XCamera. I can also use more complex planes on XP, but I know that will change with MSFS. Finally, I just don't have the hardware to run it but XP with the new Vulcan update runs buttery smooth on my system. But MSFS will be the future unless XP steps up the game in future version, which they probably will.

@jb894

3 жыл бұрын

it needs a few tweaks and some payware aircraft and it'll be close to perfect.

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's a great platform on which to build potentially all kinds of applications. Some mission and career mods like military, firefighting, transport, competitive racing, search and rescue... The list goes on. The modding potential is huge and seems very exciting given the mainstream interest that MSFS has brought with it.

The best analysis of MFS20 on KZread. You give credit where credit is due and without drama. I wish all analysis were this objective and laissez-faire. You're unique!

Russ, I always appreciate your common sense approach and that comes across loud and clear in this video. When FS20 was announced, I took the position that I was going to take some time to let things settle out before making a purchase. For me, the hard work the Laminar guys have put into taming the Vulkan beast deserves some loyalty and 11.50 is a really solid base they can build upon. It's a no-brainer that the graphics advantage cannot be challenged at this point; maybe never. I certainly agree that the future is bright for flight simulation and I am thrilled that Microsoft has raised the bar. On the other side, the expertise and dedication I see from Austin and the boys together with their approachability keeps me on the X-Plane side for now. Though I believe loyalty is an admirable trait, that is definitely subjective. I believe a year from now will be a better time for a fair comparison; at least for me. Great video! Thank you for the objective evaluation.

Excellent evaluation of the simulations. Really enjoy and appreciate the hard work you put into your videos. 👏👌

Very thoughtful as always. Very much enjoying your content! Have a great upcoming weekend 👍

Hi Russ - great video and I think you nailed this conundrum perfectly. I'm also a professional pilot (ATPL(H) IFR Offshore) flying the Sikorsky S92 in the North Atlantic. I laughed along with your comment about SIMs when you're doing this for a living - we learn to hate them. The S92 Level D sim is called the "sweat box" because of exactly what you said; our jobs hang in our performance under stress during every possible emergency that can be thrown at us. The anxiety can be brutal and I think I had to reach outside of those feelings in order to enjoy the entertainment value of the home simulator. As for X-Plane 11 scenery, I did purchase the airport add-on ($24USD) for St. John's, Newfoundland (CYYT) which made a huge improvement and rivals some of the FS2020 I've seen in this video. But my home airport near Calgary, Alberta (Springbank) is a joke and there's no scenery pack available. Having said all that, I think I might just get FS2020 for having fun bombing around the countryside. For sheer entertainment purposes, I think FS2020 might just be the ticket, but for my home IFR "training", I'll be keeping with X-Plane 11 for the reasons that you mentioned. Keep up the great work - you've got a new subscriber.

Great job Russ! I love your honest perspective of the option the sims bring to the table. I hope ASOBO will finish what they started with the Avionics and level the playing field. If they do, MSFS 2020 will be my goto sim for the foreseeable future. Thanks Russ. You're a good man!

Great insight Russ into the changing world of flight sim. Nirvana seems to be the functionality of X-Plane with the scenery of msfs2020. Always enjoy your videos.

What a breeze hearing a credible person laying it down that visuals are not all there is to a sim. Excellent analysis of FS2020 and simming in general Russ Barlow.

Hi Russ, good balanced view. I’m currently using FSX, P3dV4.5, XPlane 11.50 and MSFS. Not ready to drop anything yet but enjoying the new sim.

Your video relaxes me. ty :)

As always great video and explanation.

I agree with everything said in this video. No drama, just factual and informative . Although, you could still be dramatic and factual but that's irrelevant here. I have both X-plane and FS2020 for different experiences all discussed in this video. PMDG coming on board is also a plus for FS 2020, I think in 2021. However, one major reason I have loaded X-Plane up again is for the Zibo-737. The work on that plane is just incredible and the sounds that Audiobird adds to it is unmatched. If only REX for clouds, came over to X-Plane, it would keep me playing X-Plane longer and wouldn't have to switch over to FS2020 for some eye candy. Anyway, Im not a pilot, just a gamer and I enjoyed your thorough video. It nice to have a person give a review that was genuine. Thanks again!

just love your videos Russ, the way you explain things , your opinions...good stuff!! Ive just subscribed...Regards Paul ...York UK

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Fair and honest review. Haven't tried the new MSFS 2020 for myself yet as I'm waiting for the product to mature a bit, the graphics are definitively top notch but you confirmed what I've read elsewhere that the flight models and avionics systems still needs some tweaking. I will take a serious look at it later on when the product receives a few more patches ... in the meantime, I'm still enjoy using X-Plane 11.

Thanks Russ. Great honest comparison!

A great summary. Many thanks.

Nice comparison Russ!

You can't complain about the clean runways, they ARE all pretty new... :) give them a year or two and they will mod them, already 800 (!) programmers applied for registration to do add-ons for the sim. A huge community is forming... thanks for your content, its a great comprehensive view on the situation in the market now.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the future looks very bright for flight sims in general and especially for FS2020 thanks to Microsoft’s industry disruptive jump back into the fray. Exciting times for sim enthusiasts.

Thanks for the video. You deserve far more subs. I work in gov aviation and fly on vatsim often. Great work here

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

That was an excellent comparison--now do the weather :)

Russ not unlike yourself oh, I'm a fairly High Time Professional pilot. I found your comments to be balanced accurate and very much to the point about the simulator. Unlike the Microsoft 2020 Fanboys that were chatting the end of everything on Earth before they ever saw anything outside of alpha to make any judgment. Continue your good work and be safe Robert

@BigSleepyOx

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, because there've been zero anti-MSFS2020 fanboys that have declared it to be utter garbage. /s

@arcadia5607

3 жыл бұрын

Front loading one’s credentials to make one’s argument sound more valid is silly. RL flying in and of itself means nothing unless you’re talking about a particular subject related to that experience. Anyone that has been flown in aircraft have experienced rl flight too pal.

Yes Mr Barlow, hung around for the whole vid. Thanx.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks. I need to keep them shorter but Thanks for your persistence

A very good review. I'm a lapsed instrument rated complex high performance pp-sel pilot. Sold my Mooney M20F in 2013 and quit flying due to the cost. I used msfs 98 and x-plane for home instrument practice. Msfs-2020 got me back into simming, but I've wondered about renewing x-plane for more instrument reality.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

For the time being XP11 is definitely the way to go for actual flight training but for joy rides and VFR sightseeing you can’t beat FS2020

Just gotta look back to what FSX was imo... Yes, a lot of FS2004 and even FS2002 addons carried over, much more than for MSFS, and much more immediately as well. I think that within the next year, MSFS is gonna be on par with P3d/FSX where it is currently lacking.. :) SDK... developers, developers, developers...

Very nice comparison and fully agree with the facts. The 2020 has benefits like the all including options, no need to wrestle with sceneries and flightplanning including SIDS and STARS I was amazed that this was included. If I read the Roadmap of Asobo, I am not sure how far we are with X-Plane. I am also flying VFR with VR that is already amazing in X-Plane but with the new scenery it will be simply the Max. No need to built a Cockpit, simply put that VR Goggles on the face and you will see what I mean. Anyway 2020 is my perfect stay-cation companion.

Great commentary.

Very good informational video. I'Just wanted to add that the commercial license version of X-Plane can also be used in real pilot training if the proper cockpit hardware is connected. Because it's flight model actually calculates laminar airflow based on the 3D model geometry, it can and has been used to flight test real aircraft designs before building. However, MSFS2020 is the clear winner for scenery visuals, touring the world, and general simming.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

I think Laminar Research May focus more in certified sims and engineering as MS seems to have a plan to capture the entertainment/ hobby market.

Thanks for the nice video. Like your comparison between the sims. As you were using both x-Plane and MSFS on the same computer, I noticed that MSFS has so much stutter. I have also this stutter. I find it very irritating and it is the thing that put me off MSFS the most. Hope it will be fixed in the future.

I set up my 3 screen 50 inch, 4K sim based on your guidance. I cannot return to a one screen situation now. So, I will wait to enlist on FS 2020 when the difference between XPLANE and FS 2020 is only the graphics. As you stated FS 2020 will evolve. For that matter XPlane is also working on Scenery so who knows what I'll do then. Thanks for your very informative presentations. I respect your opinions.

I've been flight simming since the mid 80s (Sublogic FS on a Commodore 64). Worked my way up to FSX. Been away from it for a bit though. Grabbed the new version and I'm very impressed. Starting to gather hardware for a cockpit build. Relearning flight skills using FSX right now but I jump into MSFS2020 to do some sightseeing occasionally. 😉 Like your comparison. I definitely lean more towards, the gamer/entertainment side but do still want some realism (using real world controls, etc). I'm in my early 50s and real world flying has never been of interest to me. I'm good with the sims.

There are a lot of things I dislike about this new sim, and I hope Asobo improves upon these within a reasonable time....but regardless, being able to actually enjoy my Cessna 172 tour from East Coast to West Coast and look out the window to see something new is priceless. This is NOT a trip I would have ever considered in Xplane or P3d. There's a lot missing, and features that need adjusting before I'll be fully happy with it....I just hope that it is not left to 3rd party developers to fix, because that would make this a MORE expensive sim instead of less.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

tasev1 What a cool idea. I think I will start a road trip to and each evening fly leg and slowly work my way around the world. Maybe one or two hours a leg low and slow taking virtual snapshots out the window as I go.😃

@Old.Man.Of.The.Mountain

Жыл бұрын

@@rbarlow I did one 30 - 40 minute hop a day from one GA airport to another weekday mornings before work for about six weeks in MSFS2020. I started just outside Boston and finished in Clearwater, FL. By the time I was done, I had mastered my ability to: 1) Stay on track in a given heading and altitude 2) Use trim in all configurations 3) Prep and execute the approach and landing into the destination airport / airstrip. Yes, the sights were nice to see too.

Thanks for the interesting contrast and comparison. I have both XP and MSFS on my PC and although I'm flying 99% in MSFS at the moment (new toys and all that), I expect I'll keep swapping back and forth until MSFS catches up in the area of my interest. Once that happens, I'll probably focus 100% on whichever suits my purposes better. I think I know already which that will be but I could be wrong!

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

If VR works well on FS2020 I think I know too

This sim has a lot of potential, the avionics are a bit buggy and many functions don’t work, but in time all will be fixed.

When VR comes into being it is going to be an easy choice. Combining that elegant scenery with the look and feel of where the ground actually is, and in fully immersive 3D, landing alone is going to make MSFS2020 the de facto sim of choice for training too. VR is also going to make the brain's comprehension of the effects of wind, "flare out's", and potential stalls, much more acute. And the unlimited ability to look around at will once again is going to add dramatically to the training side. Further, the added cost of VR will not matter because that is what it will take to do it right in the commercial (real life) industry and experience. I simulate the look of landings in Google Earth VR right now on my Oculus Rift. In my opinion, that is the only way to go.

@teemuleppa3347

3 жыл бұрын

VR as its current state is not the holy grail... i mean yes you get the visuals, but it can be VERY limiting your use of keys/buttons since you can not see in real life. I've only played few games with VR that are not too complicated...and for me atleast it can be somewhat offputting to fumble for keys or buttons...breaks the immersion immediately

@Remsster

3 жыл бұрын

@@teemuleppa3347 If you are playing it with flight sticks it really eliminates the fumbling around like with keyboard and mouse.

@jason_v12345

3 жыл бұрын

To get the graphical fidelity needed to make MSFS in VR look anywhere near as beautiful as it looks on desktop PC, you will need a very beefy gaming rig. Honestly, I don't know if it will even be possible, even with the recent 30-series graphics cards.

@mesillahills

3 жыл бұрын

@@jason_v12345 I happen to wonder about that myself. But everyone who has seen GEVR rates it as one of the few "killer apps" that exist in VR today. And it is. Frankly, I'll give up some clarity for the dramatically more realistic look in VR. And I have experienced the feeling of airplane flight in VR. There is no comparison when landing simply because you actually know exactly where the ground is and how it shifts with the wind. And GEVR proves this can be done. Actually if you just wrap (warp) a 2D view in VR around to the sides of your viewpoint, it gives much of the same effect. This is something you can do in several VR video viewers and it is actually quit effective. A VR video viewer called Whirligig allows this as did Bigscreen at one point (I'm not sure about now). One more thing. Be sure to upgrade to PCLe Gen 4. Right now that takes the AMD Ryzen 3090, and a new x570 motherboard. The Nvidia 3080 supports Gen 4 which doubles the data transfer. Intel will have Gen 4 in their next release but not the new 10 series.

@jakeperl5857

3 жыл бұрын

@@jason_v12345 In my comparisons so far (non-VR of course) MSFS offers lot more bang for the buck in visuals performance than XP, at least with my high-ish-spec system. I'm assuming that will translate to VR, and will work out just fine in MSFS.

thank you very much sir !

'I do have a lot of flying time 23k, military fighter exp, airline exp 35 years, but still, only my opnion', I had to laugh at that, i think its safe to say you can be trusted.

Yes the trees are a little to big. Good analysis and video. Hopefully for me I would like to see Realair turbine duke v2 for fs 2020! It is easy to fly and set up point A to B and reasonably fast. Not too complicated but not dirt easy either!

Admittedly I skimmed but did see specs. When talking about the holy Grail, it would have been nice to see you system specs and also cover min spec beyond what MS has published. As many, everyone tries to test the waters when building a Simulator Experience. I also think one of the biggest items that makes FSX so appealing is the menu system and configuration, it could always have been improved, but for what it was before the fired everyone, it still great. The other thing I have noticed is the external is always very washed out, which is not too far off from real-life. But they don't blend the 3D cockpit with still look very cartoonish, yes there is detail, but like runways, it looks like brand new no wear airplane. It would have been better to do photoreal mapping of textures from real plane photos.

"Dial back the trees." I have noticed that too. But I have to say, I cannot see myself going back to XP11, which must be in trouble unless they come up with something. As for eye candy, sorry, but it makes a difference and it makes for realism and wanting to come back for more.

Hi Russ, Awesome review and I love it! However as for flight models it’s not that simple, unlike RL flight, The “feeling”of the flight models has a large portion linked to joystick control sensitivity and authority as well as the actual flight characteristics, and that needs a lot of tweaking. Xplane did that pretty decently to achieve that “granular and precise” control as you say. However, msfs2020 did a poor job so far, as the control scheme is too responsive need fine adjustments. Anyway, Let’s be patient and see how the competition goes down because in the end any competition is good competition for our flight simmers. Looking forward to more stuff from your channel!

@DownTheRabbit-Hole

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. The FS2020 response curve tweaking is pretty basic. I was unable to get the same great feel for my Alpha Yoke in FS2020 as I have in XP (in stock analog 172). The electronic trim is also, waaay too fast, resulting in poor "feel", in FS2020. There is no way to tweak this with a response curve either. I am back to tapping key bindings for trim. The issues just keep piling up for FS2020. MSFT has a boatload of money. They will do it. Could take a year or so for us RW simmers to be happy with the technical flying stuff. I need smooth multi monitor/Air Manager experience, so, FS2020 is a long way off for me due to performance issues. If LR/XP responds with an improved $50 Environment package/addon, say Southwest area, in XP 12, I might not use FS2020 for training, just game-play.

Great video, very informative. The only place I might disagree is in using a sim for primary training I would say go FS2020 when prepping for cross-countries. When I was first getting my ticket I used MegaScenery with FSX to practice every cross-country flight before I did it the next day for real and being able to look down and actually see the real scenery in the sim made me so confident when I did the actual flight because everything was familiar. And now with FS2020 it is even better, so for that I would give a nod to 2020.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe I was a bit unclear. Good more for exploring aviation and learning how the controls work, about airports, other basics but not as a formal training adjunct. It does seem to stall much more realistically than XP.

Great and very fair analysis. I was incentivized to buy the hardware and build a PCATD because of FS 2020 but now that I see how limited the FS 2020 is, I am thinking of going back to X Plane. I am finding the FS 2020 to be very difficult to set up multiple windows and the GPS Systems (G1000 and 530 etc.) are just not working well. I hope that the FS 2020 developers now focus their future updates on professional users/instructors setting up an economical home based system that is easy to use and very accurate.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. It is beautiful scenery but lacks features needed serious flight training

I think it is not the best time to do that comparison. January would be a good time i think, when Air Manager (October/November) and some study level aircraft (October-Dezember) are released for MSFS and have some bugs already fixed. Because those things are not as far away in the future as one might think.

I think at the moment no. But it has much potential and the developer work hard but fair and open. They even listen to the community. And help other companys to with the sdk. That's the right way

We need the next version of this video now that a year has passed 👍

@nashvlbees

Жыл бұрын

Do you know if they are going to release a new version soon? I thought I saw where someone said they might come out with a new version in November. 🤞

Thank you very much for all your all videos. The problem I am having now is that I cannot control the reality xp gns 530 behind the garmin 530 overlay knobs with touch. Any idea of what I am doing wrong?

Holy gril *manifest* that should be we are here

I'm 56 and have just bought my first gaming tower ever specifically for MS FS 2020, and it is so much fun, I am so glad I did this. I am looking into the multiplayers flights, and the VR headset and the com systems, Nav systems, plane cockpits and control panels, and most of all, the greatest fun of all, is the real world landscape, mountains, sunsets, glaciers, beaches, shadows, weather. There is so much going on I am surprised how much there is for just $100. I would suggest for starters to start with a better graphics card, like an NVidia RTX 3070 at the beginning. I will get a RTX 3080 soon.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks.

Thanks for the insight Russ. Thanks for separating into the "Camps". I try to encourage the younger crowd to make the distinction between "game-play" and using a "flight sim as a tool" to get a career in aviation or becoming a RW pilot. Such as, ATC controller, FAA Weather Specialist, Flight Dispatcher, Flight Instructor, 3D modeler (for free with Blender), Coder, Pro Pilot, Aeronautical Engineer, Flight Sim Mechanic, FAA support positions etc. This approach is known as RWS (real world simming). They should use online Pilotedge ATC( to achieve ratings) or free VATSIM ATC etc. Once becoming 16 y/o they can receive FAA certification, (with ZERO actual aircraft hours or prerequisites) as Ground Instructor, Advanced Ground Instructor, and Instrument Ground Instructor with Fundamentals of Instruction FOI cert. These FAA certified tests are only $150 each, and, as mentioned, they require no prerequisites. There are numerous $100 or more online ground schools for basic as well as instrument training. There are FREE FAA manuals for EVERYTHING!!! Did I mention FREE? This approach could be an awesome and inexpensive "Aviation" curriculum for homeschoolers or for anyone in COVID lockdown. Once someone gets a "vision" of where they want to go, then flight planning, checklists, all the POH procedures, weather briefings, aerodynamics, systems, etc make more sense. Not affiliated. Retired, Do everything in aviation world for free.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Great idea... I think Flight Simulation offers a great gateway into aviation for young people. Thanks for the comments

@DownTheRabbit-Hole

3 жыл бұрын

@@rbarlow If Kids/Brother/Sister/Parents/Grandparents all start at the same level, what a great family activity. Good Luck

Flight sim to me looks like an extremely promising platform to turn into something special over the years. In fact it could become many different things to different people. I'm a casual, this is my first flight sim. My particular thing is just to jump in a plane, hit the sky and chill, so FS2020 is damn near perfect straight out the box for me.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It looks beautiful and exploring the. Whole world is fun!

My thoughts exactly. I use my sim to train. Configurability is lacking in MS2020 (for now). I run a 2 computer, 5 screen system (LOVE that Knobster BTW) and MS2020 is unable to be configured to take advantage of that.

MS is working on stall physics as of now.

I was a huge fan of the previous version of Flight Sim, and I purchased MSFS 2020 a week ago. I could not be happier. It is all a matter of opinion, and I wanted realism and true to life controls. I have not been able to put the controller down. I am a retired attorney,, and I have never flown a real plane in my life, nor do I want to, lol. For entertainment purposes, you cannot go wrong with this sim, go fly to your home first time out, you know you want to...... I crashed right into mine, first try.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Well it is a quantum improvement from FSX... and it will only get better as third party developers jump in and we all get a fully featured SDK.

Do you think that the INOP buttons will be change to work over time?

MSFS2020 is a valuable new member to the sim world and I hope it will stir up the sometimes slow development in this world. The visual part of MSFS2020 simply is a new standard and I hope that other sims learn from it and tweak their looks at leat a bit. But I still see a major drawback in MSFS2020 when it comes to multi monitor setup! For my home built cockpit X-Plane still offers all I need and want to setup visual offsets etc. X-Plane still offers a great community and I hope that this will be the case for MSFS2020. When it comes to the future of X-Plane, I hope Austin likes to accept the challenge and focuses on a XP12 with the power of Vulkan, a way better weather system ootb and an ATC that does not throw you back into the bad 80s syth. speech times. X-Plane is not bad at all, it is different and offers a lot to customize it. I'm looking forward to see the flight sim world growing. For us simmers this is a great development! And thank you Russ for this video!

Great video Rass. What did you think about xplane's f-4?

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

X-plane F-4 cockpit looks pretty good. Systems not so good. Flight model okay. Performance not bad.Fun to fly in VR.

"nobody wants to sit and read a manual for hours if they're just innit for fun" Oh .... ok then :c On a more serious note though. as a simmer that's more on the casual and player side of things ... I really love when it gets too complex to handle. It makes the player encounter problems and make mistakes which creates emergent gameplay ... like that time I accidentally cut off fuel mid flight on a new plane I hadn't taken the time yet to study. Nice video btw!

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree but we are probably in the minority of users. I was remembering a few study level sims that just starting the engines took hours to figure out. Thanks for you comnents

been using fs x and make ifr flights possible, as well as instrument training, which its all about.

Yes it is!

I just bought X-Plane 11 the other day because of the discount for buying the Honeycomb throttle quadrant and yoke, I also own P3D and I have spent a lot of money on study level sims especially and a lot of money Orbx scenery and I will buy flight sim 2020 eventually when more updating is done, I like having a variety but realize this you will have to have a powerful machine to take advantage of the graphics so whatever you decide to do remember as with all sims there is always development going on.

is it possible to load FS 2020 and X-Plane on the SSD of a PC and boot up with one or the other?

Anyone got any good tips on Taxiing, I'm havin' a hell of a time with it. I'm doing real good on take-offs and ok on landings, but taxiing is another matter, thanks in advance.

I’ve asked a few times about the garmin kits you spoke about in a previous video......are they still available???

@Mr_Spock512

3 жыл бұрын

Google is your friend ... look up the RealSimGear site.

Very poor prep for necessary hardware upgrade! Mine still doesn't run, with the only notice given that my hardware is inadequate. I may do the upgrade, IF AND WHEN I figure out which component needs to be changed. Simple "minimum specs" aren't enough for old duffers like me🙃.

You know what's hilarious? KBLM has a totally jacked up runway. Apt.

Yes! You need a very good computer carefully set but it is normal business for flight simulator. I run it at 4k ultra at 29fps constant with my ryzen 1800x 32GB3200 nvidia 1080ti and yokes, pro pedals and head tracking system realtime, the cpu is not going farther 36% and mostly is at 26%. With an rtx3090 i believe i can probably expect 4k60 especially with 24GB vram, when they will port it to directx12 and Direct storage the performance will be even better.

Best Review are actual Pilots trying this out which will make it more easier to choose FS 2020 or not

Excellent comparison of the two sims. After nearly 3 years of MSFS 2020 I still occasionally find my self back in XPlane. XPlane 11 is still a better IFR trainer, especially in VR. MSFS is still frustrating when you are trying to shoot approaches, etc... in VR. XPlane feels far more intuitive in VR. But for VFR both flat screen and in VR its 100% MSFS. The Just Flight Piper Arrow is winner. You should do a video in London, its a night and day difference between the two.

@rbarlow

Жыл бұрын

I agree on all your points

Take a look on Yellow knife Canada - and wonder (for example) ... In FS 2020 there made a lot promise but I' am very often disappointed! It seems that the new Flight Sim is in an early pre alpha when it was finally delivered to me...

that landing was so smooth :) Of course a real pilot can do this with his eyes close. Subbed! I hope you can give tips for different aspect of flying (landing etc...etc..)

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Music Noob actually landing an airplane is a bit like hitting a golf off the tee. A good golfer/pilot can usually do it well but occasionally you can duff one so you can’t become complacent .

@pappybo49

3 жыл бұрын

Russ Barlow 🙏 Amen to that ! I find I’m a much worse pilot on a simulator (currently X-Plane) than in a real plane and I’m just glad it’s not the other way around!

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Steve Bodine I tell sim guys while you can’t learn to fly an airplane using a sim you can learn a heck of a lot about flying an airplane. Even the multi million dollar simulators I got to fly at my airline were not like really flying the plane. That seat of the pants feel just can’t be replicated. Still, you can save a bundle of money by using sims as a part of your training. I used to think sims were worthless for learning to land. Now with VR I have changed my mind. The 3D visual and ability to move you head position and eyes focus independently makes it very realistic. I can create a situation in XP on 1 mile final and give a trainee many attempts at learning the round out to touchdown in a short time without tons of Hobbs time flying the pattern. We can replay and talk about any problems in real time. I would love to have VR shared cockpit so the instructor could experience and instruct in VR too.

@pappybo49

3 жыл бұрын

Russ Barlow that does sound like great way to teach and learn. Which VR system do you use? I have an Oculus Go my wife gave me for Christmas but it isn’t compatible with XPlane. I would like to try VR with a simulator. I understand it’s pretty realistic. When I built my simulator I built out a panel using steam gauges and Saitek radios, switches, multi panel etc just so I could push buttons and turn knobs.

@williammccaine3072

3 жыл бұрын

@@rbarlow You can share cockpit in Xplane Sir. Using "Smartcopilot"

I really enjoyed your comparative perspective on the flight simulators. Being legally blind, I'll never be able to fly a real plane, without instructor grade assistance (have done a few hours worth), so FS2020's world modeling is the holy grail, for me. I agree, the instrumentation, and some flight modeling in FS2020 need a bit more evolution, to compare with X-plane, though. One thing that counts as a real letdown, with FS2020, is the fact that I can't use my GoFlight auto pilot, and landing gear panels. At least, not yet. I generally fly the sim total VFR, from an ultralight, since my eye sight won't permit me to read instrumentation, especially the buttons around the synthetic vision, and navigational displays, even on a 46" monitor, with windows magnifier on, and view zoom, to full. LOL. I was totally blown away by the realistic appearance of trees, roads, and buildings, in FS2020. Not so much, when I saw cars flying up walls, and over bridges, and overpasses, as well as ufo lights over the streets, at night, in FS2020. LOL Thanks for the video.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

ThomasGrillo Hang in there I think your goFlight gear will soon be usable in FS2020. The simconnect issues will be solved soon and the developers will want to be part of this revolution. Thanks for your comments.

@ThomasGrillo

3 жыл бұрын

@@rbarlow Indeed. Will do. The panels are all in place, and at the ready. Fingers crossed. :)

For me the lure of ms 2020 is the scope to fly all over the world. This has become my New main game my mmo. Unfortunately my pc is at the medium range for this game so i can't take advantage of all the graphical bells and whistles. This game more than any is a visual game. As newbie with 40 hours of flight. Im trying to play it as hardcore as possible. Im doing Checklists from scratch the only assists im using is the navigational assists. Im starting to master the ap on the a 320 ,but on the smaller planes it's more of a struggle. When it comes to flying i try to fly with atc instructions. But there are many more complex systems to learn. Flightplans doing great landings and approaches etc. Im learning and im enjoying it a lot.😊

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Take heart the Nvidia RTX3070 is coming soon and faster than my $1100 RRX2080ti at only $499. Should be great for FS2020

I think VR was the idea behind the new sim. Just flying it on a regular single screen is not good as far as visibility goes. You have to look a lot of airpane interior, it's hard to see out of the cockpit.

What frame rates do you get in the real simulators? What’s the FAA requirement?

No doubt MSFS2020 is visually stunning, but Xplane remains a worthwhile purchase for its accurate simulation (apart from controlling it on the ground, I find that awkward as well despite using it for years). Thanks for the comparison, it is also worth noting that Xplane too will develop.

MSFS has always been a commercialised simulator in it's base form. However it's always been highly moddable and that looks like it's continuing in FS2020. It was a good idea to focus on things like graphics and such because these are things where modders have limited ability to change things. Yes, modders have done a lot of good work with previous sims, but MSFS still manages to blow them out of the water in a general sense, it's a stronger base with which to work and as far as the things that are missing it's more a matter of time and money than technical flaws which will ultimately be improved by modders. Imagine how this game will look once the amount of time has been spent on it that has been spent on the more impressive graphical mods for FSX or X-Plane. As far as things like flight characteristics and complex cockpits, these are things that are tied to the aircraft and should be relatively easily tweaked and reworked by modders/third parties. There are already projects aiming to bring the A320 up to study level and ultimately when you get the reputable third parties bringing out new aircraft, they should be up to par, if that's what you want. Meanwhile those who are in it for the entertainment can still get that. What I think some people have failed to realise is that they have spend a decade now customising their flight sim experience to be what they want it to be. Yes I say "the way they want it to be" rather than realistic because they've built up a collection of planes and mods that feel right to them. If they're a real pilot this may be grounded very much in reality but for all those that aren't, they're just working on guesses and ultimately just have what feels right to them. But either way, FS won't feel like that right away. Give it time.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Person Oisels thanks for your well reasoned comments. I agree MSFS has great promise and that the lifelike scenery is the hardest part of a Sim and it has been done brilliantly. As I have said in my videos I can’t wait to see the VR implementation of this stunning virtual world. It is certainly an exciting time for home flight simulation..

Excellent. It is a wonder to include dcs ... tomcat is going to be in. And a bit further away. Still. The problem so far is not either or but mix. The problem so far is the key binding is different (and as newbie not sure how to fix that). In the Tw s throttle you cannot use the front as rudder. Hard. But if that fix. Then you choose. And costs is very ... One is the mobile. X-Plane mobile is quite fun. One thing is that put Microsoft as an entertainment company as Xbox is really distinct platform not core to image as Microsoft; unlike sony. If so, it will be a platform. As airbus mod coming one can see that will be a platform hard to beat.

Nice vid. Few spec's on hardware would be nice.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

i7-8700k no overclock water cooled 32gB ram RTX 2080ti SSD

My opinion would be if you are new to flight sims or have a casual interest in flying around and having fun with the smaller aircraft this is hands down the way to go. It looks great, its easy to navigate and figure out the menus and there a ton of assists that can make it easier to fly. I have been using flight sims for decades but I consider myself in the casual class. I am not a pilot, nor do I plan to be. I just like to have fun and don't want it to be overly difficult. And I don't care if its ultra reaslistic, nor would I know the difference to be honest. I found FS2020 very easy to just hop into and figure out and fly the planes. Especially with rudder assist and some other things. It has some things I wish Xplane would have had but didn't. So for the average person this sim and a decent budget joystick will be hours and hours of entertainment. However, if you are serious about flying and want an actual simulator you can learn and train on or you are into airliners and want realism and full functionality this is probably not the option at this point. And may never be to be honest. Or if you are somewhere in that catagory and already have Xplane with a bunch of add ons or Prepared 3d or something. Again, you might be more happy with what you have and how it works. There are a lot of things in this new sim that need work. Like aircraft systems, non working buttons and switches and autopilot issues among other things. To someone like me this isn't a big deal and I am still having fun. It works good enough to entertain me and I really like it. It is exactly what I have been waiting for in a sim. But if you are hardcore or a real life pilot or want to use this for instrument only flying you will probably be disapointed. At least as it currently stands in its early release. My opinions anyway. F-4's huh, interesting. I was a crew cheif/hydrualics specialist on F-4 E and G models at Goerge AFB (Wild Weasels) in the late 80's early 90's. I helped phase them out and ship them off before the base closed. They required a lot of maintaining but the combat pilots sure liked them. They were pigs, but I guess they were tough pigs lol. If you were ever stationed there maybe I worked on your baby. Maybe I waived goodbye to it too.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your service. I did my F-4E initial training at George in 1976. In the 431st TFTS. I actually loved the high desert. Great points on FS2020 thanks for the comments

I agree with almost everything you have said. I think MSFS20 is more of an arcade-sim with dumbed down flight model as was FS-X back in the day. For example rudder aspects in the new sim are very poorly mapped, no adverse yaw in banking, very little aerobraking with opposing rudder and stick positioning and I have a strong feeling this will remain this way because wanting to learn correct rudder control is one of the aspects which differentiates those who wish to experience sim flying against those who want to learn to fly using a sim.

@DownTheRabbit-Hole

3 жыл бұрын

IMO the flight model is only the framework. How well it performs is based on how well it is implemented/tweaked in the Developers "study" aircraft. I am looking forward to an FS2020 A2A study 172. Forward Slips with no more than 20 of flaps (placard) in 172 never seem to lose enough altitude/without gaining speed or losing rudder authority. I have tried them in FS2020 in analog 172 and in XP on all 172 (including, IMO, the best, Airfoil Labs). My guess is that the fuselage sides would have to be flight modeled with a greater drag component which might cause some other technical trade-offs.

If I could find a yoke or rudder pedals any where on the planet at the moment. ( without being gouged)

@thestatpow5

3 жыл бұрын

ikr? try finding a god damn Alpha honeycomb ... almost impossible.

@germanstorms2785

3 жыл бұрын

Are the Ch Pro pedals still in stock? Or the Ravcore Javelin Joystick but thats no yoke

@JasonAdank

3 жыл бұрын

I have rudder pedals and I can tell you theyre basically useless. There is no adverse yaw effects in the game. Good for taxiing, but the game is applying some kind of auto-rudder functionality when in flight. You can see this by turning with your joystick and notice the ball never slips. this is totally unreasltic. So unless they fix this, dont waste your money.

This sim is amazing!

@FritzWeinrebe

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the very nice perspective between MSFS and XPlane. One thing that also stands out for me is the clouds and in perticular the fog.

I have been flight simming since 5 1/4" floppies. I have FS2020 but so far not my favorite. The aircraft that are included are cartoonish to fly. My favorite sim is X-Plane 1141, but plagued by out of memory issues. I like Prepar 4.5 too, but the airplane handling is not as realistic as X-Plane. We'll see if FS2020 gets better.

A Flight Sim with a good engine and close-to-real graphics still has room for improvement on the flight models and instrument complexity front. But the same can't be said for a Flight Sim that has an outdated graphics engine, it's really hard to improve on that front without completely rebuild it from scratch.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

I personally wish that Microsoft had just created a app to serve scenery that could be used to connect to the flight models and other functions of various simulators. The graphical quality would even be good for commercial simulators because there’s nothing like it out there. But I’m not completely impressed that they will get the flight model and the other more detailed operational issues sorted out. Most of the quality that ended up in FSX was from third-party developers. Out of the box it pretty much sucked. Unfortunately P 3-D was built on that technology but was still an improvement. It looked like XP was unstoppable And then, out of nowhere, came FS 2020 to rain on the parade. It’s going to be fun to see if Austin and his boys (and girl) can respond. If Microsoft continues to throw vast sums of money at FS 2020 it can get good, but I’m not sure that they are not going to lose interest and they figure out that most simmers are cheapskates and won’t spend the money to pay them for their efforts. I’m getting a bag of popcorn and going to sit and watch the show

I remember the transition from FS2004 to FSX then the 2004 aficionados claimed it was the only real flight sim and were reluctant to embrace the differences. We will let time tell on this new system people do not like change.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

It’s really hard not to like what MS has done so far. I am a big XP fan so learning a bunch of new stuff is a pain but it is exciting too...just like every equipment change during my airline career... thanks for your comment.

You forgot the third category. The one that want it all. Graphics and realism of flight i.e systems and flight model and hardware, etc... Like me.

Ill wait to get it on sale

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Yes good idea or go the DIY route if you are handy. I did a previous video on how I built it. kzread.info/dash/bejne/gouNp8OKm7G5hNo.html

Russ where did you get your Gear/Flap panel please

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Not sure what panel you’re talking about is it in this video?

Hey bud! Thanks for the video. I will throw you a subscribe. I commented with a question on another of your MSFS2020 videos, I will ask again here.. would really appreciate your input: I also noticed the extreme sensitivity with the Honeycomb yoke. I followed someone else's advice and set the left/right sensitivity (X axis) to -9, and the up/down sensitivity (Y axis) to -49. I am not as experienced as you, so can you tell me if those settings track with what you're experiencing, or you could tell me a more accurate setting? Thanks!

@mercster

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service sir. 👍

@mercster

3 жыл бұрын

Hah, ya know... I don't think your binary model of Entertainment and Training will always everyone (I'm picking flyshit out of pepper here, but hear me out.) For instance, I am purely in this for the entertainment... I am a 43 year old guy on a fixed income who is (relatively) new to flight sims and will never fly a real airplane. HOWEVER... I'm also a systems engineer who made a career dealing with UNIX systems. So I want the most realistic simulation possible, because mastering the systems is fun for me. I have spent ehh, maybe $500 on hardware and have been flying with XP11 for awhile. I guess I'm one of the in-between freaks :-) Thanks for the video tho, would love your input on the above question wrt: honeycomb sensitivity settings for MSFS2020. God bless.

@mercster

3 жыл бұрын

Any thoughts on the flight model for a nerd? I know FSX/P3d/and I *think* MSFS2020 use a lookup table system, whereas XPlane 11 uses blade element theory. I can appreciate the differences as a popular science fan, but the details and the actual difference in realism, I couldn't begin to know.

@mercster

3 жыл бұрын

I loved the back and forth at KBOS comparing the graphics. Obvious MSFS2020 is more sophisticated, but... everything else? Who knows.

@mercster

3 жыл бұрын

As someone who does not know what an actual G1000 works like, I noticed (I guess you mean "synthetic vision"?) in the MSFS version, I could see more detail in the maps... I could find large highways on the G1000 screen and maneuver around more. In XP11 version, there's not as much detail.

Regarding the graphics: I will (hopefully) be a PPL-A student from next year onwards and count buying MS FS2020 exactly due to the graphics as this is the first simulator in my opinion to allow recreating VFR flying conditions.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

That first solo cross country will seem easier if you can see it before in the sim. Déjà vu😉

@Irishguy2901

3 жыл бұрын

Russ Barlow but why then not say graphics for flight training maxed out as well?

I noticed in this video you do not have everything set to hard and it would also appear that you have it set to modern and not to legacy realistic.

Hi, great vid. For me xplane feels nicer to fly (MSFS too twitchy) and sounds better. All instruments are functional as in real life. Microsoft flight sim 2020 has the fantastic scenery and that's the only pro...................... though it's a MASSIVE pro 😁. Definitely xplane for learning and MSFS for fun.

FS2020 would be great for the Fisk arrival and holding patterns over the lakes for 1st timers

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

You probably know they had a virtual Oshkosh event at pilot edge this year where they flew the arrival into a virtual adventure? Maybe next year when we can meet at OSH in real life they will also operate that a few weekends before so that Pilots can practice... it would be awesome using the new scenery for FS 2020

@timmiddleton7493

3 жыл бұрын

@@rbarlow with 3000 aircraft holding at Green Lake :)

I’ve been flying flight simulator since 1984 on the Commodore 64 with Bruce Artwicks Flight simulator that Microsoft bought from him. I’ve been flying in X-Plane for the last 13 years and P3D for 3 years. My option of MSFS2020 is that there is a ton of potential but right now, it’s not for me. All the bush airfields in the South Pacific are not real at all. The topology on most of them are bugged. All of a sudden halfway down the airstrip the strip accents at 30-50 deg. I don’t know when Microsoft will fix it because I’m probably the .01% of people flying there. Hope for the best but I’m back to x-plane 11 for now. More accurate planes and with Ortho4XP, no problem with scenery. Plus I get 70 fps instead of 20-30 FPS.

Needs VR, but for me I like the military jets, so it's DCS for me.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

I want to try DCS but too many sims to learn right now.

I can only copy the screen off the G1000 to my touchscreen , but the buttons don't move over. So for the moment not possible to use the touchscreen 100%.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

Bram Vanuytven yes. In a short time Air Manager will have compatibility with FS2020 (in beta now) and offer two solutions to your problem. It will have a touch bezel to place over the G1000 screen and also allow you to make a hardware bezel to use with Arduino. Watch my channel in the future for details.

Very good. But a note on the “excess” trees- this is satellite imagery downloaded and generated in real time. All those flying hours you never took it in? The texture of our world looking down on the canopy of life from above. When on the road you can see the massive endless blue sky above through a crack in the leaves looking up , but when in the massive blue sky you simply can’t see 12ft wide pavement below through those same cracks in the leaves and branches of the trees. You’re neighborhood and local roads are actually under a canopy of leaves that you fail to noticed.. hence you think there are too many trees but really - there are that many trees.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

I get your point but there are cities where trees rise like vines in the the side of buildings to 20 stories. I look at bing maps and there are places that the ground is visible but in the sim it is obscured by foliage. I know in the initial alpha the grass was too big and they scaled it down... wondered if the trees need the same tweak? No big deal but that’s my opinion. Thanks for your comment

@michael4506

3 жыл бұрын

Russ Barlow I hadn’t noticed the vines! Will keep an eye out for the giant in the sky 😊 cheers

The flight model of the default MSFS airplanes are certainly WAY more accurate than the stock FSX planes back in 2006. However, I never fly with those, and prefer using 3rd party add-on planes for FSX from companies like PMDG, Aerosoft, Majestic, and A2A. I don't judge the Flight Sim platform on the basis of how well the stock airplanes perform, but on the inherent capabilities provided by the interface that 3rd party developers can exploit - e.g. in the SDK and SimConnect in the case of Microsoft, on whether it's been adopted by the Flight Sim community as a standard, and on the core features provided by the platform, such as real-world weather, multiplayer capability, shared cockpit, ATC integration like VATSim. MSFS 2020 out of the gate has a ways to go, but from what I've seen, I am FULLY confident the major 3rd party players will be onboard very quickly, minor bugs will be cleaned up, and for those people who are new to flight simming, or like me, ready to upgrade to a newer platform, MSFS will provide a "study-level" flying experience just as much as X-Plane or Prepar3d .. or better.

@rbarlow

3 жыл бұрын

I think you are exactly right

Its like war in flight sim world xplane peeps fighting fs peeps