Fixing Other People's Bad Repairs 🛠😃

Ғылым және технология

Fixing a faulty computer can be quite complicated. Fixing a faulty computer that someone else attempted to fix... that's a whole other level of difficulty 😃
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Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:18 Initial test
03:10 Keyboard
05:48 Pixel test
07:14 Video generation
08:39 Multiplexors
11:25 Signal testing
13:42 Traces
15:55 Extra test
17:06 ROM
18:50 Conclusion
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  • @adilsongoliveira
    @adilsongoliveira Жыл бұрын

    When I was working as a self-employed IT guy, 30+ years ago (I used to do basically everything IT-related: networking, server and desktop deployment, development, etc) I made more money fixing other's peoples mistakes than taking jobs from the start :)

  • @Zeal8bit
    @Zeal8bit Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video! I love these repair videos, you don't blindely replace chips or check for broken traces, you actually go from the software level to understand and control the problem, which lets you spot it on the hardware accurately, very informative, I love it !

  • @SidebandSamurai

    @SidebandSamurai

    Жыл бұрын

    Noel. Has a very strong understanding on the sequence of operation on these old computers. It's critical in properly diagnosing issues such as these

  • @francescosacco4969
    @francescosacco4969 Жыл бұрын

    It's great that you explained the Z80 bus before fix. I'd like you always do it.

  • @Starchface
    @Starchface Жыл бұрын

    The diagnosis based on first principles is impressive. Great detective work Inspector! See you in the next video!

  • @mathieucuny8872
    @mathieucuny8872 Жыл бұрын

    The CPC video memory makes way more sense when seen as a very long character line that wraps for 25 lines. It also helps to understand why 384 bytes are left unused : there is 48 bytes remaining at the end of each of the 8 pixel lines composing the characters. This memory can even be used to store a little program to restore the palette of a screen dump, by making it executable with an entrypoint located at the first lost memory zone, at &c7d0 ! Anyways, I would really enjoy a video about the CPC video memory, because there is no way i can explain the video ram better than you would.

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, that's the real reason for the video layout. I believe the CRTC was intended for text displays and so that's what happened? Don't even get me started on the mapping of the pixels in mode 0. That one I still don't understand why it was done that way to this day. They must have been able to save a gate or two somewhere.

  • @Breakfast_of_Champions

    @Breakfast_of_Champions

    Жыл бұрын

    Video please, this sounds like a worthy entry in the long line of hacked-together 8-bits😀

  • @Peter_A1466
    @Peter_A1466 Жыл бұрын

    Love the graphic that shows where you are putting your probes!

  • @goodtimeswerehad
    @goodtimeswerehad Жыл бұрын

    Really enjoyed this video. I liked the process of fault-finding you took. Great stuff!

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Awesome. Thanks! 👍

  • @MonochromeWench
    @MonochromeWench Жыл бұрын

    Schematics on the big monitor looks like something you'd see in a SciFi movie it feels like a vision of the future the way you'd want things to be

  • @walt4057
    @walt4057 Жыл бұрын

    Noel, really nice to see you again in "old style" repair videos like the ones you used to do (which I much prefer to the new ones). I hope you will be able to stay so much longer in Spain then... 😁 Ps in football there is Mourinho: definitely in repairs you are our "Special One" 😎👏

  • @chainq68k
    @chainq68k Жыл бұрын

    I had a similar issue with an Amiga graphics (RTG) card a while back, where one of the address lines was disconnected due to bad solder job on the card, but it still fully worked, just the memory looped after every 512KB or so. It was quite fun fixing it, not always can one see this clearly how a computer's memory addressing works, but with an address line fault. Great job and video!

  • @JoannaHammond
    @JoannaHammond11 ай бұрын

    This made me smile, as soon as I saw the effect I went, that's a faulty address line (most likely.) Done something similair on some of my homemade 6502 comps.

  • @rickoneill4343
    @rickoneill4343 Жыл бұрын

    Your level of professionalism and understanding of operations is stellar. Thank you for all your hard work.

  • @TRONMAGNUM2099
    @TRONMAGNUM2099 Жыл бұрын

    Great find. I can't fault anyone on lifting a trace. I've done it before. Usually though It's pretty apparent because of a new symptom magically appearing. One of the most important things I have learned from you is the importance of using quality solder and having desoldering gun.

  • @SonicBoone56

    @SonicBoone56

    11 ай бұрын

    Old PCBs from before the mid to late 80s are very prone to lifted traces, I swear. The ColecoVision's traces lift with minimal heat, meaning epoxy is pretty much a must.

  • @hgbugalou
    @hgbugalou Жыл бұрын

    Fixing electronics is one thing, but fixing electronics that other people have previously tried to "fix" takes a lot of time and skill as there is no accounting for what actions they took. Very cool to see it done properly like this.

  • @SonicBoone56

    @SonicBoone56

    11 ай бұрын

    And between those two, you have the issue of fixing your own mistakes many years later and forgetting what you were doing to begin with.

  • @kdrum90
    @kdrum90 Жыл бұрын

    Noel’s Spanish location keeps on giving! Thank you for the interesting video.

  • @WinrichNaujoks
    @WinrichNaujoks Жыл бұрын

    Fantastic fault finding! Thanks for explaining the inner workings of the machine. Oh and definitely make a video on the repair of the other CPC. It's always fun to see a machine coming back to life again!

  • @thomaswinston5142
    @thomaswinston5142 Жыл бұрын

    I congratulate you Noel on another well manufactured video to attract watchers......😉☺

  • @frankowalker4662
    @frankowalker4662 Жыл бұрын

    Great fault finding, Noel.

  • @blakecasimir
    @blakecasimir Жыл бұрын

    Feels like it's been ages since the last CPC repair vid from you Noel. This was a pleasant surprise.

  • @KolliRail
    @KolliRail Жыл бұрын

    Great! Those in depth troubleshooting videos are my favorites!

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad to hear that! 👍

  • @AClockWorkKelly1
    @AClockWorkKelly1 Жыл бұрын

    Beautiful video Noel... Welcome back to Europe for a bit! Love the amstrad content. I was half scared that the move to the states would see the end of it .. thankfully not!!😊

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh no chance of that! I have two very interesting Amstrads in the US that need some work. You can expect more Amstrad content even from there!

  • @minombredepila1580
    @minombredepila1580 Жыл бұрын

    Another magnificent video from Noel 😀. Those problems with "refurbished" computers are so common on eBay ones...

  • @SidebandSamurai
    @SidebandSamurai Жыл бұрын

    Noel. Would love to see the video of the 2nd amstrad repair as well. I love to see these machines rise from the ashes.

  • @BigBadBench
    @BigBadBench Жыл бұрын

    Absolutely phenomenal diagnosis! I’m in awe 😮

  • @leandrozaccaria
    @leandrozaccaria Жыл бұрын

    I was missing your repair videos. Thanks!

  • @dressupgeekout
    @dressupgeekout Жыл бұрын

    That was a really interesting repair -- but *dang* that Sabre Wulf shirt looks so good

  • @castlecodersltd
    @castlecodersltd Жыл бұрын

    Great video. The CPC464 gave me and my brother some great memories back in the day. Thanks for sharing your knowledge ☺

  • @JakeBirkett
    @JakeBirkett9 ай бұрын

    Wow an excellent fix! Cool to see the old lab.

  • @salvocristaldi1689
    @salvocristaldi1689 Жыл бұрын

    Welcome back, Noel. Your videos are always the best!!!

  • @nepas3628
    @nepas3628 Жыл бұрын

    nice video, but there's something weird about the explanation, if you see 16:50 when you soldered pin 13 to ground, the output on the screen is mixed with some chunks of the text repeating the upper or the lower part of the characters. The first line repeated the lower part of the text until "Amstrad 64K Microcomput", then it continues repeating the upper part "er (v2)". On the second line, in "()1984" the lower part was repeated and then it starts repeating the upper part for "Amstrad Computer Electronics plc". Finally on the 3rd line the lower part was repeated until "and Locomotive Softwa", and the rest uses the upper part "re Ltd".

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    You're right! I was so focused on the Ready prompt that I didn't look closely at the rest of the screen. Hmm... and it's not changing from frame to frame, so it's not like a signal left floating that triggers either way. I don't think it has to do with the memory layout, but I suppose it could. Now I'm going to have to puzzle this out 😃

  • @germanskena6537
    @germanskena6537 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you Noel for all the effort you put in all the jobs... And by the way, Do the other video, all the videos are interesting! ;P I think you have said that, as clickbait!... I THINK, WE ALL WAIT FOR YOUR VIDEOS! Anyway. Thanks again for all the repairs and the research you do.

  • @electricadventures
    @electricadventures Жыл бұрын

    Really good repair video and especially diagnostics from a quite strange fault.

  • @stuartmcconnachie
    @stuartmcconnachie Жыл бұрын

    That 74LS153N for A13 is not from the same batch as the others. The printing is different and not batch code 8827. I guess it was replaced at some point… Ah, you eventually spotted it.

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Haha, yes, the writing was totally different. I can't believe it took me that long to spot it! 🤪

  • @luispanaderoguardeno3306
    @luispanaderoguardeno3306 Жыл бұрын

    Omg! I had ZX Spectrum +2 with the keyboard bended like that. Even part of the case broken because someone put weight over it. Lucky the kayboard was working flawless, after I unbend it.

  • @M0UAW_IO83
    @M0UAW_IO83 Жыл бұрын

    Those are the jobs I like, the ones where other people have screwed up and given up, more fun when it's a challenge.

  • @bricerive
    @bricerive Жыл бұрын

    So great when you fix an Amstrad 🙂

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    They are very dear to my heart 😃

  • @rickyzambrossiakachristian5727
    @rickyzambrossiakachristian5727 Жыл бұрын

    Brilliant, Noel. Please make another video reparing the other 464. Very interesting,😊

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    I haven't looked at it yet, but I will. Maybe it'll also end up making for a fun repair, but it's more likely just to be a bad Z80 or something boring like that.

  • @lucasjokiel
    @lucasjokiel Жыл бұрын

    Great video! Plus for the edu part on muliplexers, kind of Ben Eater style ;)

  • @lsvemir27
    @lsvemir27 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent T-shirt 😊 my favourite game from my childhood

  • @hyzenthlay7151
    @hyzenthlay7151 Жыл бұрын

    Welcome back to Spain!! Hope you have AC!!

  • @mikb5165
    @mikb5165 Жыл бұрын

    Great content. Thanks!

  • @synaesthesia2010
    @synaesthesia2010 Жыл бұрын

    So that doubling of the character set is actually how my eyes work.

  • @jorgelotr3752
    @jorgelotr3752 Жыл бұрын

    16:58 Something weird is happening there, because part of the characters appear as double-top while others remain double-bottom , and the strange thing is that it's consistent with time.

  • @anatolykosychenko8038
    @anatolykosychenko8038 Жыл бұрын

    Hì Ya & best wishes. Thanks for work. Be Happy. Sevastopol/Crimea.

  • @RadimPolasek
    @RadimPolasek Жыл бұрын

    great video as usual. thanks.

  • @awilliams1701
    @awilliams1701 Жыл бұрын

    I've seen a similar issue on a C64. The output was repeated, but offset. It was a bad MUX chip as well. Although in this case it was the trace not the chip.

  • @za_ozero
    @za_ozero Жыл бұрын

    Great stuff❤😊

  • @BertrandLeRoy
    @BertrandLeRoy Жыл бұрын

    It great when a fault can be diagnosed just by looking at the screen.

  • @IanSlothieRolfe
    @IanSlothieRolfe Жыл бұрын

    I love the 464 and its descendants - they looked a bit cut-price as did all Amstrad products but they did the job and time has shown they are reliable and not too hard to repair. its a shame they didnt get the software support that the C64 and Spectrum did, although a lot of the games there are good versions. At the time I never had a CPC but its on my list of things to look out for,

  • @horusfalcon
    @horusfalcon Жыл бұрын

    It is so good to see you in action again, Noel! Egad, man! You are a freakin' bloodhound on the trail! So very well done finding that trace. You may have covered this before, but do boards exist to construct any CPC series systems from new parts? (That would be such a kickin' little project.)

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks! Yes, there are already several versions of CPC boards that you can build yourself. Check out this video: kzread.info/dash/bejne/l2SZpbGkhZiufqQ.html

  • @horusfalcon

    @horusfalcon

    Жыл бұрын

    @@NoelsRetroLab Thank you so much! I will.

  • @pe1dnn
    @pe1dnn Жыл бұрын

    The strange video memory arrangement is most likely because it doubles as ram refresh, at least on the Spectrum it is that way and since the CPC video RAM space is also not linear I guess it is for the same reason. Another thing the Spectrum does is use page mode, RAS is set but is followed by 2 column addresses on CAS which saves time, reading 2 bytes with the need of setting up RAS only once. It is a special mode of the 4116 chips. Only this way the Spectrum could meet the timing constraints with those chips. Don't know if the CPC needed this, maybe 4164 chips are faster of Amstrad just used faster (more expensive) RAM? Would be nice to know.

  • @peterpan9988
    @peterpan99889 ай бұрын

    Took me a few minutes to realize that you're not talking about Gatorade, but a gate array. 🙂

  • @MinceWalsh
    @MinceWalsh11 ай бұрын

    Having seen it before, my first impression was a stuck row address line in character rom.

  • @ChemaEn
    @ChemaEn Жыл бұрын

    Good one Noel!!! So you have your Spanish lab working... too bad I didn't know in advance. Maybe you could have had a look at a Mac which has a tendency to blow the power... :)

  • @darkstatehk
    @darkstatehk Жыл бұрын

    It's time to resurrect the ZX Spectrum baud load challenge.

  • @skonkfactory
    @skonkfactory Жыл бұрын

    the S in RAS and CAS stands for 'strobe'.

  • @tenminutetokyo2643
    @tenminutetokyo2643 Жыл бұрын

    Jam in all new ceramic caps.

  • @michaellowery1559
    @michaellowery1559 Жыл бұрын

    You need to have another go at that amstrad gx4000 console

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    I do! I do! I have a whole stack of them sitting next to me. I will conquer that monster some day 😃

  • @SonicBoone56
    @SonicBoone5611 ай бұрын

    Somebody either bent the keyboard in rage or had it underneath a bunch of heavy stuff.

  • @VintageTechFan
    @VintageTechFan11 ай бұрын

    Seeing that IC104 was already replaced did smell. But, there has to be a reason for that .. what if the trace was broken before (maybe a manufacturing defect which barely worked for a few years and then broke at some point), they noticed it was this multiplexer, replaced it .. and gave up when it didn't help?

  • @captainboing
    @captainboing Жыл бұрын

    RAS = row address STROBE, same for CAS

  • @jeroenvanjaarsveld1897
    @jeroenvanjaarsveld1897 Жыл бұрын

    Nice to see an repair video from you agian 🙂 I noticed that with the v2 ROM the BASIC text says 'Amstrad 64K Microcomputer' and with the s3 ROM is says 'Amstrad 128K Microcomputer', is this just text in the ROM as the diagnostics show that there is no upper RAM available?

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, that's correct. It's baked into the ROM since it was only for the 6128.

  • @Ne555N
    @Ne555N11 ай бұрын

    Welcomme to Spain i hope you enjoy the stay :)

  • @jaycee1980
    @jaycee1980 Жыл бұрын

    keyboard definitely met fist on that one :)

  • @0xc0ffea
    @0xc0ffea Жыл бұрын

    Even the boring repairs are informative !! please don't worry about making lots and lots of "the same" content.

  • @mlann2333
    @mlann2333 Жыл бұрын

    Nice debugging !

  • @SashkAleX
    @SashkAleX Жыл бұрын

    Nice!

  • @user-yr1uq1qe6y
    @user-yr1uq1qe6y Жыл бұрын

    Wow, I didn't realize that amstrad wouldn't have been text mode with a character ROM. I didn't think the fully rendered text using bitmap modes started until Amigas, Atari ST, Macs, etc took over.

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    Yes, that's one of the reasons Amstrad graphics are so slow compared to other platforms.

  • @TheTurnipKing

    @TheTurnipKing

    6 ай бұрын

    It's also the same with the Spectrum: there's no actual text mode, and all character graphics are done via software routines in the ROM.

  • @cpmagneticmedia
    @cpmagneticmedia Жыл бұрын

    The last rom (s3) shows up as 128k not 64k. Would this be an issue having only 64kb onboard?

  • @Cassandra_Johnson
    @Cassandra_Johnson Жыл бұрын

    @2:17 my guess is that it looks like a high bit line is fried (always pulled low - broken would float and be even weirder)... Could be a character rom issue? It doesn't feel like a memory issue. Well, let's sit back and see!

  • @Cassandra_Johnson

    @Cassandra_Johnson

    Жыл бұрын

    Ok, that is a really weird memory layout. Sorta like Apple II memory weird. I would have expected more randomness from a floating line. Interesting!

  • @CoolDudeClem
    @CoolDudeClem Жыл бұрын

    Funny how a single bad connection can cause such trouble.

  • @rastislavzima
    @rastislavzima Жыл бұрын

    Just started to watch so my guess thats a memory issue, well see if my guess is correct. Probably 2 address lines from video controller are connected or something like that.

  • @tokul76
    @tokul76 Жыл бұрын

    Like and comment so we get to see second amstrad fixed. :) Welcome back from colonies.

  • @twocvbloke
    @twocvbloke Жыл бұрын

    The joys of fixing something that someone else broke while "fixing" it... :S

  • @R2AUK
    @R2AUK Жыл бұрын

    ❤ 👍

  • @b213videoz
    @b213videoz11 ай бұрын

    Can you fix a ZX-Spectrum clone? 😉

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    11 ай бұрын

    Absolutely! ZX Spectrums (and clones) are pretty simple and definitely fixable.

  • @KorAllRBare
    @KorAllRBare Жыл бұрын

    🐨Yeah nah NOPE! You just got 'a stream us the 2nd Puter repair scope. APU 👁 👉👍👈 Yo Video..

  • @KoolBreeze420
    @KoolBreeze42011 ай бұрын

    Did you find the any key yet, eh? I lost mine again. ;)

  • @pathnkalex921
    @pathnkalex921 Жыл бұрын

    Have a nice dat.

  • @andrewdunbar828
    @andrewdunbar828 Жыл бұрын

    ¡ñ!

  • @Lilithe
    @Lilithe Жыл бұрын

    Is it just me or is there a lot of crackle in this video?

  • @NoelsRetroLab

    @NoelsRetroLab

    Жыл бұрын

    I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary and nobody has complained. Is it still happening for you? I always try to make sure audio is as clean as possible.

  • @SenileOtaku
    @SenileOtaku Жыл бұрын

    Other people's bad repairs??? Hey, don't look at *me*... (I think I my have already done a bad replacement on the NiCad battery in my Tandy Model 100...)

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