Which drawing did you think was Super's worst? Did we cover it in the video? Don't forget to leave a like and some feedback :)

@TheBluePhoenix008

4 жыл бұрын

First reply lol BTW I love your videos. Keep them up!

@dakiwi2674

4 жыл бұрын

Episode 5, hands down

@sesereddead465

4 жыл бұрын

DaKiwi god the first two arcs were painful to sit through...

@minedantaken1684

4 жыл бұрын

I feel like I'm repeating myself, but I love that you actually put the effort to show how something could be improved. Most critics just say "it's bad, lol" without any constructive value. Thank you for your work!

@2Bound2

4 жыл бұрын

Goku vs Beerus in space

Ajay draws with a mouse because when he uses the drawing tablet it's the equivalent of Rock Lee taking off his weights.

@AJ-nh8ik

4 жыл бұрын

does he have a Drunken Lee style too?????

@Prest414

4 жыл бұрын

@@AJ-nh8ik Yes... When he draws with a steering wheel on MS paint.

@jasminaryee8170

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂

@angelap6319

4 жыл бұрын

Lol yes

@MegaBrightestStar2

4 жыл бұрын

you never watched dbz correctly huh ?

"This frame where Gohan is standing still feels like theres not enough going on in it." -Twitter

@Nate-vd2ji

4 жыл бұрын

Very Important Issues only

@unknownwarrior9775

4 жыл бұрын

The Human Race .... It Fascinates me .

@Thelowestofthelowtiers

4 жыл бұрын

@@Nate-vd2ji Its an important issue. Why? Gohan needs be more useful.

@Greviator

4 жыл бұрын

“This frame really isn’t CHADHAN enough, shouldn’t he be one shotting el grand padre in his blanco form” - (hopefully) ironic shitposters

@AkameGaKillfan777

4 жыл бұрын

"This frame looks stupid because I went out of my way to find it and I don't understand the difference between Key, Secondary and Smear frames."

artists: arguing over pencil, pen, or digital preferences Ajay: fools, the mouse is the true og

@topsilog2236

4 жыл бұрын

yeah right..try letting ajay draw on mouse with a time dead line ...hell be fuck before it..

@baku5210

3 жыл бұрын

@@topsilog2236it’s a goddamn joke.

@boundless7entity

3 жыл бұрын

@@topsilog2236 fuck you

@EvanTheB3AST

3 жыл бұрын

He prolly super good at graffiti

@nathanhernandez7173

3 жыл бұрын

lol I like how mouse is more og than a pencil

I love how the studio felt the need to rush the animators working on a franchise that's existed for thirty five years.

@Psyk0h

3 жыл бұрын

As if dragon ball is gonna die anytime soon if they don’t get the whole series out in 6 minutes

@inkytanku8935

3 жыл бұрын

Most of the reason why toei animations is kinda bad is because of the rush on almost all their work take one piece for example it looks poo poo but now at wano they are doing a better job but it still could be better

@tofuchicken2

3 жыл бұрын

because studios learned that people will watch something just because it has the right name. even if its dogshit.

@daelaenor

2 жыл бұрын

@@inkytanku8935 Bro... Episode 982.

@TheTyroofToriyama

Жыл бұрын

@@daelaenor 982 episodes and they still haven't wrapped up his arc? Imagine people expecting me to think that series comes close to DBZ. Meanwhile Goku has inspired multiple different generations of characters and real-world people.... No contest, bruh

I can't imagine drawing this with a mouse, he's got a gift

@jonathangetachew1522

4 жыл бұрын

See you everywhere

@wiseguy1512

4 жыл бұрын

If you look too it didn’t take him that long....the prince of all mice

@nsi5276

4 жыл бұрын

MATE WHY ARE YOU EVERYWHERE

@Wingingvoice

4 жыл бұрын

I can’t imagine drawing period

@axeliso

4 жыл бұрын

You underestimate the power of *mouse*

The time constraint was the problem. We don't need a barrage of episodes, we need good episodes.

@nine1690

4 жыл бұрын

This. We need them to handle Toriyama's outlines more seriously and dedicate more resources to developing the stories, and giving the animators time and money to do what they need to.

@Jaschka15

4 жыл бұрын

Just needed a Seasonformat for it. Would be much better

@nerocross

4 жыл бұрын

What we can do is buying the blu ray hahaha

@cj2hawks25

4 жыл бұрын

Tbh id rather have quantity like we have now over quality because its perfectly fine.

@mahfoudseraf5995

4 жыл бұрын

@@cj2hawks25sad but no one is agreeing so get lost

Thank you, holy shit thank you, for not picking on in-between frames. It drives me mad when people pick apart animation based on these frames solely made to ease the key frames together. Squash and stretch are parts of animation too, and while in motion they look great, when paused you get some interesting results. A lot of people see these as being 'poorly drawn', when in reality its just meant to be seen in motion. Wahhh so thank you very much for clarifying that.

@AkameGaKillfan777

4 жыл бұрын

Judge them based on what they are. Key frames can be viewed as still images, but in-betweens aren't.

@shaxn4x105

3 жыл бұрын

I see alot of people do this with thst one Sasuke picture of him all twisted 🤣

@Nikku4211

3 жыл бұрын

And it's also less fair anyway because in-between artists are usually not as skilled as keyframe artists.

@axllow3914

3 жыл бұрын

@gri22ly100 People say this all the time, DBZ had episodes that looked like fucking garbage even on key frames, animators struggled then just like they struggle in present day, people whined so much with Super like it was the first time it happened because they can't take off the nostalgia glasses when talking about Z.

@axllow3914

3 жыл бұрын

@gri22ly100 Sorry but I just don't think you remember how bad Z got from time to time, maybe you should go back and check, because there's plenty of horrible face shapes, eyes and body proportions to look at. I'm not defending Super's animation, I'm just saying even if Z had its awesome moments, it also had horrible out of model ones too, just like Super. Denying this is just straight lying or you haven't seen Z in a while.

I can take the bad animation IF Toei actually took responsibility by admitting they rushed the whole thing or just not say anything at all. They didn’t give animators enough time and expect to see good results. When they didn’t get it and instead got criticism for it, they decide to blame the people they put so much pressure on and forced an impossible deadline on. The animators are already underpaid, most likely overworked, they’re stressed, they’re not getting any recognition or credit and now they got more pressure loaded on them because their own company and ignorant fans are blaming for essentially being human and not being able to make good quality stuff in such a short amount of time. I just hope future episodes and series in this franchise will be given more time to be finished and polished. Just hoping.

@skizoid9101

4 жыл бұрын

Toei will be Toei. Same shit the pull on one piece they pulled on super. Honestly sad

@amodeloranewbione8753

3 жыл бұрын

Oh if u saw moro

@hardfugoo1

3 жыл бұрын

Future episodes... lol

@steveweast475

3 жыл бұрын

@@skizoid9101 One Piece used to look so good too, now it looks like shit

@AccountTermed

3 жыл бұрын

@@steveweast475 I always liked the art work of One Piece, it’s kinda unique and I love it. The show however, I just can’t consistently connect with. I’ll watch from time to time but It can’t hold my attention.

This is beyond impressive. These redraws really feel like their own style.

@RancidKari

4 жыл бұрын

I agree, Miles Morales!

@ryancarless7921

4 жыл бұрын

RancidKari heyyy..

@ddlcp

4 жыл бұрын

well, its a sprinkle of its own style as human's in general can't actually make a perfect replica without outside help & that's also what makes us individual yet same with only difference being a sprinkle of imperfection

The man Ajay is insane, I could barely write my name in Paint with a mouse, much less draw dragon ball with one.

@VegitoTheBest

4 жыл бұрын

hes a mad lad

@subb9011

4 жыл бұрын

i've been drawing with a mouse for 3 years, you get used to it lol

@the_enderslayer

4 жыл бұрын

I'm not a good artist or anything, but I'm better with my mouse than a pen. My hands are too shaky to draw a straight line without probably a minute and a half and some patience.

@dariusgergely5863

4 жыл бұрын

@@the_enderslayer its the opposite for me

@absintchild

4 жыл бұрын

I actually think that his corrections were the most off model between the three of them, so its kind of shows too. But insane work still.

Can you imagine how sad the animators were knowing they could do so much better, but didn't have enough time.

@jamess359

3 жыл бұрын

Very similar to a cook. Both jobs bring great pressure, and true lovers of the craft will be sad when something is sent out subpar. I know the feeling. It sucks.

@suckerhat

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think it's an accident. There's an animation technique called smearing. Squashing and stretching things that are in motion to make movement smother. Z didn't really have that many "bad" frames because the movement is too sharp. And i don't really like that

@ProjektTaku

2 жыл бұрын

its probably how western animators feel everyday. They always have to push out fames at fast speeds so they cut corners, probably making something which they didn't want too.

@_Mikeebeed_

2 жыл бұрын

@@suckerhat so you like the ugly art?

@johnkimberly

Жыл бұрын

@@_Mikeebeed_ it aint that bad

finally someone said it. animation is hard, it takes a _lot_ of time and effort- especially when under the pressure of the artists of THE Dragon Ball.

@unknownsaiyan6557

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sadly

i love how you actually include the time you spent to draw 1 freakin frame and pointing out that the animators need thousands for a single episode in a span of like, a week... you really opened my eyes, man.. keep up the good work animators and you guys :)

@memeduka

3 жыл бұрын

@MXSKED ACE No it's actually 2 months.

@memeduka

3 жыл бұрын

@MXSKED ACE It doesn't work like that 🤦

@memeduka

3 жыл бұрын

@MXSKED ACE Yes, they do have more time, but it's not 6 months. An average episode takes up to 3-4 weeks to animate, but there are exceptions when it's two months. So, you really think studios produce two episodes a year? That's ridiculous!

@memeduka

3 жыл бұрын

@MXSKED ACE It's a movie, dumbass. Of course, they had been working on it for months.

@memeduka

3 жыл бұрын

www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2018-03-16/.129066

I almost never blame the artists when it comes to animation, I get frustrated with the studios or higher-ups for mismanagement, rushing, or understaffing.

@chloetzpiano6548

4 жыл бұрын

animators in japan wasnt paid enough for their work,they did as hard as they could within their salary ofc

@ghanta1875

4 жыл бұрын

Monarch Z thanks for the information dude

@electronresonator8882

4 жыл бұрын

in business, people generally wants more while giving less

@john-wj7rx

4 жыл бұрын

yea yea because studios are villlians and artists are these goods

@leonardoeneria3100

4 жыл бұрын

How bout queen bee If you know what I mean 😂

HES DRAWING WITH A MOUSE WHO IS THIS MAD LAD AND WHAT HARDSHIP HAS HE GONE THROUGH IN LIFE!?

@kfconsoleenthusiast4992

4 жыл бұрын

You see your not dealing with the average animator anymore,he has realized the legend and became the legendary animator

@crookedclosure

4 жыл бұрын

Touchpads don't have screens and therefor it is difficult judging where to connect lines. A mouse is actually easier if you use the line tool rather than free hand.

@TheHumblePotato

4 жыл бұрын

I draw with a mouse whenever I feel the need and it's not that hard. It's just Super Tedious.

@crookedclosure

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheHumblePotato It's easier than a touchpad

@TheHumblePotato

4 жыл бұрын

@@crookedclosure yup

This video was really eye opening - learning that 3000-5000 unique drawings are needed for an episode is crazy!! I already had respect for these animators but this just increases it tenfold.

@AkameGaKillfan777

4 жыл бұрын

20 minutes per episodex60 seconds per minute= 1200 seconds. Episodes run at 24 frames per second, and drawings tend to fluctuate on how long they're on screen. That's around 3-4 drawings if it were consistent in every scene, hower t,he series has a lot of still shots when characters aren't talking, moving or fighting, whereas the scenes with actual movement have several images that last around 2-4 fps, or 6-12 drawings. But of course, frames get reused.

I don’t think people attack the animators, they attack the final product. I don’t blame the animators, I blame the corporation for looking at it and saying just release it bro it doesn’t matter, instead of making sure the product is amazing before releasing it

@Beos_Valrah

4 жыл бұрын

Yes ikr

@johnathanreyes118

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine being this clueless on how an industry works to just simply reduce it to “release it bro it doesn’t matter”

@ricardoislove9718

4 жыл бұрын

There is something called deadline and budget.

@electronresonator8882

4 жыл бұрын

well, limited time, budget, and man power, a real world problem for any business, it;s a good thing if your business don;t have to deal with any of those

@user-kj6cf7wf3f

4 жыл бұрын

Bro you're being so fucking dumb right now if they would check it and redo it they couldn't publish it in a week

Ajay: **draws with a mouse** Not Mark: **infuriating noises**

@trevinodude

4 жыл бұрын

Also Ajay and Mark Ajay: *Produces great art despite using mouse* Mark: "You are insane, but I can't argue with the results"

@alexmcneill6445

4 жыл бұрын

No, no, his name is "Not Mark". Veeery important~

@contessa4490

4 жыл бұрын

He got some talent for a guy who uses a mouse to draw.

@TheBluePhoenix008

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexmcneill6445 my mistake

@trevinodude

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexmcneill6445 Oh yes... "Not Mark" got it! xD

Y’all should fix beerus because he keep looking different in almost every scene

@hermityt1663

3 жыл бұрын

Same with Piccolo.

@MORITEZZ

3 жыл бұрын

Lmao

@vix1415

3 жыл бұрын

Bro sometimes the muscles and weight of beerus change

@wolflexx2146

3 жыл бұрын

he looked like scooby doo at 7:48😂😂😂

@juicefard258

3 жыл бұрын

@@wolflexx2146 if they made Goku look like shaggy it would be legendary

My god... Looking at those Twitter replies at the beginning of the video was just cringe. A lot of people can't differentiate between illustration and animation.

@someguy1627

3 жыл бұрын

Dragon ball z had way better art style than super, while super had better animation but worse art. This is my opinion of course

@geraldorodriguew3605

3 жыл бұрын

@@someguy1627 the dbs art style would be better if they had more time to polish it...

@someguy1627

3 жыл бұрын

Geraldo Rodriguew yea, also it’s just the different times. Art style has changed over the past few decades and it shows. I personally liked the more defined buffer Saiyan look. One example is I loved how super vegeta and Majin vegeta looked compared to him now as he looked ripped and insane.

@edi6722

3 жыл бұрын

Thats exactly what i was thinking if you just keep pausing when you watch anime youre gonna find dumb looking drawings but thats not the animation if you play the animation like how you should be then it looks good

@AkameGaKillfan777

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, the image of Vegeta rapidly punching is a smear frame. That pissed me off the most.

Something worse was Toei's response to the criticism, which was part of what ended up causing the mockery to go even further. Calling a lot of the animators amateurs that weren't experienced in the industry, despite most of them being involved on so many shows that filled the pockets of so many executives

@MAR-sc7np

4 жыл бұрын

We all know that some companies treat there employees like crap especially toei

@kaigunz2251

4 жыл бұрын

@@MAR-sc7np Where did you get this from? According to Sakugablog Toei is actually one of the best places to work at, they're the only studio that have an union that was harshly fought for. Norihiro Hayashida, a proudcer, threw episode 5 animators under the bus, don't lump everyone together.

@MAR-sc7np

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaigunz2251 k

@kaigunz2251

4 жыл бұрын

@@MAR-sc7np You tried to fight misinformation with more misinformation. Don't be that guy, just an advice.

@MAR-sc7np

4 жыл бұрын

@@kaigunz2251 that's fine

You see this, kids? This is the true definition of the man we needed, but the man we didn't deserve.

@congabonga7104

4 жыл бұрын

And then we have Mastar Media, wtf he doesnt deserves that much subs

I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that one of them draws all this stuff with just a mouse

@spunkflunk

3 жыл бұрын

He's using a drawing tablet not a mouse.

@ayman_idk3465

3 жыл бұрын

@@spunkflunk nope its said he used a mouse the whole time

@JustAnOpinionn

2 жыл бұрын

@@spunkflunk no

thank you very much for bringing to your viewers attention that there is a difference between keyframes and in between frames! This is very important because I often see people post in betweens as examples of "bad animation" when in reality those in between frames could be smoothing out a scene and making it great when viewed at full speed. I would also like to add that in these in between frames we can often find squash and stretch techniques being used and this may make the frame look weird and "bad" but when viewed with the rest of the frames (and at full speed) are actually very important to the smoothness and overall artistic quality of the animation

It’s hard to explain but the reason the characters look like plastic is because the colours go from light to dark instead of cool to warm. For example if you change Gokus shirt from orange to dark orange to darker orange to yellow to red to brown

@SaadDan

4 жыл бұрын

basically the colors should get warmer as they get darker instead of just having lower light values

@James_Mansbridge

4 жыл бұрын

That's a pretty concise explanation of a surprisingly tricky concept. The colours for Super contributed massively to how it looked, along with its compositing.

@drewboden6981

4 жыл бұрын

going warmer colors instead of just darker colors gives realistic shading

@themerrymaker7144

4 жыл бұрын

Damn fam

@Invizive

4 жыл бұрын

@MultiTarded it's quite an aggressive take on this style. Sure, the shadow colours are more symbolic than thought out, but the time constraints are a thing. People like to point out the decline in quality over the years, but they fail to notice that the attention span of modern audience is too short. While methods and habits of watching have evolved with the internet (allowing binging almost anything in one-two nights) increasing the pressure to produce more content in the same amount of time, the drawing process suffers from insufficient technological progress which means lowering quality standards. Animators are forced to digitalise and simplify most of their work not because of laziness, but because they are fighting for attention of people who would watch ten less polished shows while they try to make one the way you'd prefer.

99% of reasons : "Creators had no time .." sadly

@user-zu1ix3yq2w

4 жыл бұрын

Can say that qbout most things..

@cykablyatthemovie2424

4 жыл бұрын

​@MegaMogu Wdym? They're working 16 hours a day, underpaid, tired as fuck and are forced to push episodes out once a week with a small team. Each frame they draw. They don't have the time to make everything refined. I just dont understand that first part. 'TIme is not an excuse for a shitty drawing', that can be interpreted that if you can't draw the mona lisa perfectly in under a minute, then you're lazy. Can you elaborate on that more because by god, I can't understand why anyone would ever say that.

@samr4831

4 жыл бұрын

MegaMogu not every anime in every animation studio has the same schedule and time restraints, and just because some of the Uber talented extremely gifted creme of the crop animators can still manage to produce decent quality in bad conditions doesn’t mean it should be expected everywhere, you’ve just been spoiled by those few talented people and think that to be norm and even they are being worked to death just like the others, it’s not healthy for anyone Unless you’ve worked in animation you can’t pretend to be able to grasp how difficult it is and how ridiculously talented the top animators are

@CriticalCipher

4 жыл бұрын

@MegaMogu That not how anything works, popularity does not equate to an enormous team. Second time is an excuse, there is about just over 30 000 frames in an episode, now I want to see how quickly you can redraw one episode and do better and you get one whole week since you argue time isn't excuse which means you're arguing that time x effort does not equal quality.

@CriticalCipher

3 жыл бұрын

@Guy with glasses never said ot took them a week just saying since the guy said time doesn't matter I gave the example of him trying to do it in a week

As an animator, I appreciate adding at the end that these young animators have to work on thousands of drawings and they figuratively have to work magic.

“I want to be an animator” 5000 frames per 30 minute episode with a team of talented artists, with only a week between them. Being made fun of, While I’ll take a month for a 5 minute video..... “Look I just want to do what I enjoy”

@AkameGaKillfan777

3 жыл бұрын

22 minutes, but you're right

Totally Not Mark: "I suck at drawing so sorry!" Me: Looks down at my stick figured in shame.

@orang9407

4 жыл бұрын

Ikr

@napdagdaganjr

4 жыл бұрын

elier munoz Hey.

@Crimsonfireball

4 жыл бұрын

@@elier305munoz its a joke. Dont take him seriously

@mayravixx25

4 жыл бұрын

Literally same. Hell, I struggle to make proper flipnotes... WITH STICK FIGURES. I can't even begin to comprehend how these artists did all of that.

@deadman4419

4 жыл бұрын

Same

Clearly, Ajay's drawing with his mouse is equivalent to using training weights.

@nicolasribeiro7914

4 жыл бұрын

he doesn't need to use 10% of his power XD

@seanford2478

4 жыл бұрын

Oh God what happens if he takes it off

Netflix: are you still there? Someone's daughter: 14:18

@edwarddavis7892

4 жыл бұрын

loooooolllllllll

Off topic, but that little “player select screen” moment was just TOO FUCKING DOPE.

This video should be named: Totally Not Mark's Redemptions Arc Edit: Now I'm going to disappoint all of you by saying "OMG THANKS FOR THE LIKES" (This is a joke btw)

@drewboden6981

4 жыл бұрын

Redemption Mark

@hellscream4354

4 жыл бұрын

Clever

@Hazel_TheOne

4 жыл бұрын

AltimateGuyz 101 yeah, this totally *ISNT* Mark’s redemption arc

@altimateguyz1016

4 жыл бұрын

@@Hazel_TheOne good one

@internetperson3436

4 жыл бұрын

The moment he switched from crapping on to critiquing on, he was pretty much redeemed

i watched soo many ajay videos in the past, now i can easily notice when a scene in one piece or DBS is animated by masahiro shimanuki

@AmondoDazz

3 жыл бұрын

1.Nice name 2. I'm a big fan of your multiverse animations

Funimation: We have more money than god, thanks to DBZ, what should we do with it? Also Funimation: Sweatshop some pre-schoolers into making a canon sequel to TFS? Still Funimation: Yes

I hope the DBS2 artists are given Triple the amount of time compared to the ridiculous time they were given in DBS. As big as an anime DB is, under no means should the quality of art be released until checked and edited to perfection.

The fact that people suggested you correct smear animations and scenes where characters are far away so the animators can’t add in a lot of detail (otherwise it would look like a giant black blob of ink) and actually great animated scenes kinda pissed me off

@trevinodude

4 жыл бұрын

Well, the concepts of passing and key animations aren't usually common knowledge... so of course that would happen... that said.... I wonder if it would be more easy or difficult to replicate Toriyama's manga style over Yamaoro's anime style... it's similar but the differences are fascinating.

@Ruldolphmaker

4 жыл бұрын

As an animator who works in these styles myself I learned something..... Anime fans dont get animation and claim they do to make their interests seem more academic

@AkameGaKillfan777

4 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough, after hearing about them a few times, I decided to look up the differences between key and smear frames, and yeah, I saw several frames people complained about in the video which were the latter. Smears are supposed to show movement in an exaggerated and flashy way, without needing to draw extra frames to make it seem more realistic. In action shows they're meant to make fights look more fast-paced and frantic. It's a pretty good example of "less is more" imo. Some scenes characters don't even have faces, but it's not an issue as long as they're in the distant background, which was a bit of a problem at the beginning of DBS I can admit. And of course, there's still people out there who don't understand the difference between art and animation quality. Trying to criticize each frame because it doesn't "look good" is missing the point of animation, which is how said frames show movement.

@epistarter1136

4 жыл бұрын

Ruldolphmaker I mean this is the dragonball fandom we're talking about

@cakazuya3623

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know, dude. I really liked Dbs's animation, but when I watched the show, I could definately see rushed frames(that look bad imo). Also, you could say that some scenes would look weird far away due to the outlines, but some of these shots are up close and still could be better (Ep. 5 overused example, but just so you'll get my point).

"He worked on One Piece" Me: Oh, my god, that explains everything.

@KirbyGotenksabsorbed

4 жыл бұрын

Literally the first thing I thought when I heard that.

@melbournemeliodas215

4 жыл бұрын

You don't like one piece? I dont.

@rdizzy1

4 жыл бұрын

@@melbournemeliodas215 It's one of the only mainstream animes I can't get into, I've tried to watch it many times, it can't hold my attention span.

@melbournemeliodas215

4 жыл бұрын

@@rdizzy1 Me too. Its just not that appealing to me.

@PegimampooS

4 жыл бұрын

@@rdizzy1 Me too. The story was too long, never ending and exaggerating!!

If anyone was wondering the music from the beginning of the vid is from the sonic R soundtrack

15:26 gawd u fixed the googaly eyes😭 Blessed!!

There is always that one artist friend who uses mouse.

@elmariohuwu3624

4 жыл бұрын

Me

@maximisxxx

4 жыл бұрын

Yup

@elmariohuwu3624

4 жыл бұрын

@Colonel Sanders Yes

@theblueelement7539

4 жыл бұрын

Damn, i wonder who you mean...

14:31 Vegeta fans were so hype for the new transformation we overlooked his eye looking like the size of the Rinnesharingan. Man, they tried to pull a fast one on us.

@TronicSSJ07

5 ай бұрын

Vegeta got the lightskin stare.

I honestly don’t care about each frame I don’t sit on my chair leading on my screen waiting to pause each scene to admire it or bash it I just like the anime

@edi6722

3 жыл бұрын

Same idk why people sit there pausing to look for mistakes its easy to find them when youre looking for it

@LostInTransition7

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah same here, I notice it but I ignore it cause I love Dragonball

@derkar6449

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, but Toei animation just ruins everything, they can't just make two One Piece manga chapters in one anime episode and have more time doing it? Toei sucks, there's a lot of better studios...

@khatabtaha3213

3 жыл бұрын

@@derkar6449 have you seen the recent one piece episodes and the broly movie you off your meds

@derkar6449

3 жыл бұрын

@@khatabtaha3213 The recent OP episodes are great in terms of animation, but the pacing is just...

"People don't understand the animation process works" Yep. One hundred percent. Armchair critics don't understand ANY creative process. Bad faith/internet criticism is a cancerous growth.

@AkameGaKillfan777

4 жыл бұрын

This is why boomers dislike our generation

@AkameGaKillfan777

3 жыл бұрын

@peroh We're looked down on because we "criticize" things when we don't know how they actually work, and blame the wrong people.

mark: truck freak trev: crazy ass ajay: друг

@ShinziiArt

4 жыл бұрын

xD

Good last message you gave. I'm no artist, but I cannot imagine how tough it must've felt to have your work laughed at. I haven't watched DBSuper to this day, but when I do, I'm gonna watch it with a whole different perspective.

13:14 is genuinely dreadful. Shocking that a world-renowned studio on a huge global IP signed off on that...

@wolflexx2146

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

The thick lines ruined the art style for me. also I've noticed throughout the series that everybody looks .... shiny? They almost look like they're made of plastic. Don't even get me started on the fact that they apparently forgot that Roshi is not muscley unless he is in muscle form, and Ox King has always been lacking muscle definition, but they decided to make them have very defined muscles for some reason.

@AkameGaKillfan777

4 жыл бұрын

Have you seen the Broly movie?

@doggo_87__60

4 жыл бұрын

While Gohan lost all of his muscles

@nathanwhiting5475

4 жыл бұрын

Its a problem in everything these days. Games and shows. Everything is shiney as fuck. Looks so weird.

@xaviervillaluz6312

4 жыл бұрын

for the series i wish they used the style of "Yo! Son goku and friends return" cuz its super without the sheen

@Masterwar15

3 жыл бұрын

That's definitely Yamamuro's deal, if it wasn't for Yamamuro's lack of flexibility over his art corrections I'm sure Super would've looked way better even under the time constraints. Like DBS Broly, but obviously with lesser quality, but you can already see the big difference between that movie and others directed by Yamamuro with his current style like BoG and RoF, extra flexibility in the character designs makes wonders.

i just love how that beautiful crappy dbs avatar is staying. It just has such a good "energy" to it.

@PalPlays

4 жыл бұрын

May it be immortalized forever.

@Gensolink

4 жыл бұрын

@@PalPlays kinda want to see every character drawn in in that specific pose in that specific way now ngl

@PalPlays

4 жыл бұрын

@@Gensolink For all of my discord profile pics, I take particularly great stills and photoshop cups of tea in front of their mouths. Trunks's expression when he first enters the Time Chamber. Zamasu when he first fights Goku. Hungrybox when N0ne combos him with turnaround jabs. The list goes on. It's not entirely relevant to the conversation, but hey why not mention it?

Just imagine if all of DBS was made with the amount of detail as these drawings and/or the Broly movie! It would be insane!

@launchbase4944

2 жыл бұрын

the broly movie has that much detail because it's a movie these pictures have this much details because they're single images of key frames animation simply does not work like that.

@EdgeOfLight

2 жыл бұрын

@@launchbase4944 ever heard of dbz? especially buu saga the artstyle stayed amazing despite animation constraints

I love that you're not shitting on the animators, but every time you stress that it's what it would look like if they had time for corrections.

I just don't understand why Toei feels the need to completely enslave their animators and let them work with no time for projects at all...

@topsilog2236

4 жыл бұрын

money

@MrCubFan415

4 жыл бұрын

@@topsilog2236 they could have gotten more money by giving the animators more time. More polished product = better reviews = more viewers & merch sales = more money.

@topsilog2236

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrCubFan415 more time for the animators means more budget and expenses..and since dbz is already popular it can always get away even with mediocore animation..ive watched dragon ball z since the 90's trust me this is not the worst they have...every one needs to chill

@topsilog2236

3 жыл бұрын

@peroh yes exactly and those that are complaining will always watch it anyway haha

@hermityt1663

3 жыл бұрын

It's a Japan problem sadly. It's a country that doesn't have a good reputation when it comes to how they treat workers.

"To be under that sort of time constraint to create artwork for an extremely popular property only to have the entire world laugh at your efforts." Those lines teared my eyes 😢

It's great you acknowledged a past mistake and spent this episode, informing more people about the pressures of being a manga artist. Also love the art work. I can never draw dragonball eyes right x'D

Dragon Ball fans: ugh the drawings from this frame look ugly >:( One Piece Fans: ...Aww how cute :) *screams internally*

you know im thinking Tottaly not mark is Mark actually he couldnt be

@mattygee6852

4 жыл бұрын

mmmm doubtful

@cannuccia7764

4 жыл бұрын

Impossible

For someone that wants to be a future animator I know the animation process is tough to do so I never really said rude things. I knew they were in a tough schedule. I HATE it when people say this or that about this particular frame and saying how bad it is without knowing the struggle of what it took to make that happen.

@phenomenonnarutokun

4 жыл бұрын

We still can't help it. Especially when it's so jarring

@lscree6855

4 жыл бұрын

@@phenomenonnarutokun as a guy who has made two and working on 3 animations, the process takes times, but it's worth it, and I wish people understood how much work is put into animation

@sonicverse6147

4 жыл бұрын

@@lscree6855 it's true for one second *I think* takes up 10 or more frames to do so.

@lscree6855

4 жыл бұрын

@@sonicverse6147 it actually takes up about 24 frames to get one second, most animations are made in 24fps (24 frames per second)

@nuredingeziqi679

4 жыл бұрын

it's also really cool when you see them take problems with minor/COMPLETELY USELES things, like taking a random frame and having problems with the animation... as if that showed a problem with the drawing itself, let alone the animation

This is a really interesting art study! Not only are the drawings amazing, but you even put yourselves in the shoes of the people trying to get their work out!

You guys did fantastic and thanks for pouring so much effort into fixing the work of truly talented artists.

The genuine concession at the end of the video makes the humanity of the people trying their best very real. Thank you.

@ilay_ux

3 жыл бұрын

the end literally hit me in my chest. people needed to hear that.

@MomoKanjaki

Жыл бұрын

Ikr. Dragon Ball fans and people in general needed that dose of reality. I was one of the few who never made fun of the artwork in any episode in DBS because I understood why it was like that. Drawing is VERY time consuming. And when you're being rushed? Expect some funky results! These are human beings for peete's sake!

Where's Mastar? you know he can "draw" less than 10 minutes

@TheAdovniK

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, yeah. Just retrace it and it will look better than anything else xD

@comixproviderftw_02

4 жыл бұрын

Don’t... Speak his name.

@shidubs6750

4 жыл бұрын

tjyoung399 he’s a dirty tracer

@jeh8944

4 жыл бұрын

ah yes, the fine art of TRACE

@mms7328

4 жыл бұрын

more like less than 10 seconds

1:37 Caught me a little off guard with that megaman and bass music

@TronicSSJ07

20 күн бұрын

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I've just discovered you 3 days ago and am almost through your dbz-playlist. I LOVE this video idea and its execution

9:18 When you think about going for a new character but you just end up choosing your main anyway.

I'm so glad this just isn't "let's just do shintani and shida cuz hurr durr yamamuro bad"

@braydeno4189

4 жыл бұрын

Same but let's be real, Yamamuro bad.

@SSJChroma

4 жыл бұрын

@@braydeno4189 nah, yamamuro ain't my fave but when his styles done good it's really good like with his Goku Vs hit cuts and Takahashi's 131 episode

@tratanimations9139

4 жыл бұрын

@@braydeno4189 nah

@BlaZe-pl4ym

4 жыл бұрын

I do agree that their styles are far superior, but Yamamuro can do a good job with what he’s produced. I just can’t stand the highlights.

@trevinodude

4 жыл бұрын

While I think Shintani's look suits Dragon Ball more than current Yamamuro, Yamamuro has done some amazing Dragon Ball work. The original Broly movie and Fusion Reborn for example, thrived with Yamamuro's art.

this is a totally amazing video! I figured this video would just be looking at bad in betweens and laughing or something, but the amount of effort you put into really explaining things was a lot of fun to watch!

4:45 feels like Whis is narrating the video

@JamsheedAdam

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Who else is amazed on how good that guy can draw with a frikin mouse, absolute mad lad,

@JonisNotHereAnymore

4 жыл бұрын

i'm convinced ajay is a sorcerer. It's insane how great his work is despite the fact he's doing it with a damn *mouse*.

Everyone in this video is EXTREMELY TALENTED. Props to you guys.

@BingQiLing.

2 жыл бұрын

They’re not better than the super animators

@bdg1970

2 жыл бұрын

@@BingQiLing. No one said they were

With how often you stress the time constraints it makes it sound like they were being asked to draw the Mona Lisa in ten seconds.

What's crazy is that I watched that "bad" video right before this one for the first time, and said to myself "This is Totally Not Mark? His videos aren't like this..." You've come a long way sir. Top man.

I'm just gonna say it. This is TNM's best video thus far. It's perfect criticism with positive energy, effort, collaboration, change/growth, and humor. And a touch of tragedy because...those time constraints are real. Edit: Oh, and educational. Education is important kids.

I wish I could see a reanimation of the Dragon Ball franchise through Shintani's style (DBS Broly Style).

@baqirzaidi6024

4 жыл бұрын

Bro i dont think dragon ball has the budget for that, maybe...

@imREL0

4 жыл бұрын

We don't need a new series, we need this.

@justinc.4558

4 жыл бұрын

@@imREL0 I wasn't suggesting it be new. More like how they remastered old DBZ Movies. Why not remaster the old DB, DBZ (and maybe Super) in this new style?

@imREL0

4 жыл бұрын

@@justinc.4558 I meant that too. Is you spoke English?

@justinc.4558

4 жыл бұрын

@@imREL0WhY yEs Of CoUrSe.

I am a struggling animator and this video really shows how much time and effort it takes to animate in this level of deatail

Oh my gosh this makes me cry. These sloppy drawings ruind DB for me. I was so hocked as a child but i totally lost interest with all new sagas after Z bc I could not recognize the Characters anymore. I´m so greatful that you do that an spark so much joy where i felt frustration. I really hope one day all Computer animated stuff gets remastert and filled with life again.

@nazarenomilohanich4883

4 жыл бұрын

There were barely any digital animation in all of Super (with the exception of inbetweens). Pretty much all the key animators who worked on the series animated traditionally.

Dragon Ball Super is proof that when an anime doesn't have a manga to trail behind, they don't take enough time to produce quality animation.

@gordusmaximus4990

4 жыл бұрын

Excluding the fact that lacks logic, power scale, serious tension etc etc

@blazingexil4003

4 жыл бұрын

There are a bunch of anime that work and have no manga.

@Masterwar15

3 жыл бұрын

​@@gordusmaximus4990 What the hell does that add to what he says? He is talking about animation, not story. My Hero Academia is already proof of animation quality not being equal to story quality, yet it follows the manga too, so an anime not following a manga doesn't necessarily mean it will "lack logic, power scale, serious tension, etc, etc". Not like Toyotaro's manga has any of that...

@SSFhighcommandJOHN

3 жыл бұрын

JoJo disproves that. Look at Part 5's animation.

@Worm-revolver

3 жыл бұрын

It has nothing to do with whether or not there was a manga that came before, it's about the talent/skill of the creators and the time they're given.

Ajay's working on a scene Tate did. I should be surprised but I know better.

Episode 65 be like Vegeta Episode 67 be like vOgOtO

Omg some of these corrections are fantastic, especially that last one of Vegeta it just gives the shot so much more presence and intensity.

@16:43 *Que the emotional music* "These animators have been drawing more than any normal human can comprehend. They all bear our hopes and prides on their shoulders".

@ibrowny1447

3 жыл бұрын

Do you know what song that is

bless you for the Mega Man X4 character select screen. That game is my aesthetic maybe you should cover something mega man one day ....

@canine8284

4 жыл бұрын

@Nexus Mania OH, of course--that was a real zero brain cell moment Great work, though! Your style works really well!

Never watched your videos before. Dunno why it was recommended to me, I'm not even into drawing. But I'm glad I watched it. It's a good video, it shows that you're growing as a human being, comparing to your previous video when you just bashed people. Good job man. Also, I loved your drawings.

damn they were all beautifully well done by you three, But Ajay with the mouse, Thats a gift straight from God

7:45 Beerus looking like he wants a Scooby Snack.

@jacoblujan3297

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly though

TNM: “Im a slow artist” Me: He can’t be that slow Marks art: 5 hours and 13 mins

@tannerthepanman9202

4 жыл бұрын

A lot of really good art takes awhile to draw.

@johnkisaragi5920

4 жыл бұрын

5 hours is not long at all, if I could take 5 hours to draw masterpieces with a MOUSE I would be making riches.

@tannerthepanman9202

4 жыл бұрын

John Kisaragi I would say that 5 hours and 13 minutes is a decent amount of time and you could definitely finishing something good in that time. It's slow to mark but not to others. It's just a matter of what you think is slow or not slow.

@AK-jt7kh

4 жыл бұрын

@@tannerthepanman9202 Yeah but it's not about finishing "something good". It is about replicating someone else's style, and doing it with precision. I could do a good line art drawing in a few hours, if I'm allowed to draw according to my style. I really don't know many artists who can comfortable emulate someone else's drawing without taking quite a bit of care and time to do so.

@tannerthepanman9202

4 жыл бұрын

A K to clarify I am referring to someone emulating someone else’s style. You may not personally know artists who couldn’t do it in 5 hours and 13 minutes, but there are millions of artists out there who might be able to with accuracy and Precision. My argument is this: To mark that time is slow and to others it may seem fast. It comes down to what YOU perceive as significant or not a significant amount of time. Plus mark had a reference of the pose he was drawing. I would also argue some of your style will go into the art style you’re emulating whether it’s small minute details such as a line stroke or something else.

All the animators look like different angles of the same person

I’d like to see goten and trunks drawn in the accurate size for their age. Trunks should be the same size he was in HoT right?

The character select screen might be one of the coolest things I ever seen in life.

Wow I've haven't been this early since Mark kissed Goku Black. Edit: I just love that we accept the fact that Mark kissed Goku Black.

@PalPlays

4 жыл бұрын

"Also? No one talk about how I touched Joey Wheeler!"

I really wished toei gave the animators enough time to actually dish out good animation Also if they could’ve brought back the same art and animation style as they did for Z, Super would’ve done so much better

I love how sonic R can you feel the sunshine play but gets bass boosted XD

Ok, when anybody tries to draw his DBZ-sona, the result is always adult Gohan with different hair colors. Just to clarify how much a bland character he is. Even from a design perspective.

@olserknam

4 жыл бұрын

And if they have long hair it's late-Android Saga Future Trunks lol

@PaperPatriot

4 жыл бұрын

you realize that adult Gohan has the same face as every DBZ character right? It's not Gohan's design but the style with which dragon ball draws faces

I love the amount of respect and understanding you give these animators whilst simultaneously admitting your previous mockery of the shows animation. Not only have you formed a well educated opinion on the shows art but you went the extra mile and put yourself in those animators shoes by correcting their unfortunately rushed drawings. I wish i could give you more likes Mark 👍👍

Wow that music at 1:03 was from that one Sonic Racing game in the Mega Gems Collection :0 holy nostalgia 😂

I like this. Also as an artist that uses a mouse to draw, I can really appreciate ajay's work here

Ajay is an absolute mad lad for drawing with a mouse I remember when I drew with a mouse on Microsoft paint making terribly drawn stickmen Ajay truly has a talent

It is impossible to draw well with a mouse Ajay: *Who decided that?*

@King_Luigi

4 жыл бұрын

_"Nani?!"_

Kitano once made Beerus look like Scooby-Doo.

I'm actually considering doing my own video like this. The art inspired me a lot and I love Dragon Ball so I might give it a shot.