very good video Edward, well presented. I like the added voices, RIP Polly.

Edd has quickly become one of my favourite Ripperologists alongside Sir Richard Jones

@wattyler2994

4 күн бұрын

Ed (and Richard) are entertaining and interesting presenters even if you don't agree with their specific conclusions.

Another fine video. Concise and well-researched. Looking forward to the next one... Thank you, Edward!

A new upload always makes my day. Excellent as always. Thanks 🤩

@thehouseoflechmere9407

5 күн бұрын

Thanks

Really interesting details re: Mary Ann's life and death. Still a fascinating subject. Great job.

Cracking stuff mate. Love your work. I can't help bit think that a few pints in an old London pub and a chat with you would be great! Unfortunately, I live in Durham. 😄🍻

This channel never ever fails to both inform and entertain. Thank you so much for providing such top class programming.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

Thank you

Awesome film! There are some details here that I was unaware of. Thank you Ed!

Brilliant work Ed the research is impeccable..

Hiya Edward, I like these Jack The Ripper KZread channels, Me and my friend Michael go to London in September that's one thing where going to do is go on Richard Jones's Jack The Ripper tour and looking forward to it tremendously, this is Paul (aka Choppy) in Whitehaven, Cumbria, England

@thehouseoflechmere9407

4 күн бұрын

Enjoy your visit!

Fantastic, mate! You are second to none, Edward

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 күн бұрын

Many thanks!

Thank you for another great video, and for being so respectful of women who have been traditionally and deliberately forgotten.

Top work Ed, yet again.. cant believe i havent bumped into you on your Jaunts around Spitalfields…

Well done video Edward.

Excellent as always

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

It seems possible that Lechmere encountered Nichols on Whitechapel High street, not Buck's Row. Then suggested they conduct business around the corner on Bucks Row. After shell knelt to do her usual business, he strangled her, possibly by garrote, or belt or even by hands, then while mutilating her, heard the footfall of Paul. Perhaps fearing it to be a beat officer, he would know not to run, as that would raise an alarm. He wasn't sure what to do until Paul nearly passed him, and thinking quickly decided to make out like he had just discovered the body.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

Yes exactly

Bit late watching this one. Excellent as usual Ed. Cheers. Edit. Dapper attire by the way. Cool look. 👍

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 күн бұрын

Ha thanks!

@lyndoncmp5751

2 күн бұрын

Wish I could pull that look off. Im too scruffy 😂

As Edward as pointed out, it’s the dress being pulled down. The concealing of the neck and abdominal wounds that’s the key to solving this. There’s no good explanation for this unless Lechmere did it himself. Great video as always! Where’s that HOL merch store? lol

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

Merch... that will come...

@davekeating.

3 күн бұрын

It was dark. If something is not observed it does not automatically mean it was deliberately covered up.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 күн бұрын

​@@davekeating. Not so dark that they couldn't see her hat. They also described her dress as up to her hips. The abdominal wounds were covered. You could try to argue dudcthis by accident rather than by design. But the other victims including Tabram were left 'on display'.

@davekeating.

2 күн бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Part of the Rippers M.O. was to leave the dismembered bodies on display for maximum effect when the sun came up. With Polly Nichols the Ripper struggled with her layered clothing. He’s learning as he goes along. He didn’t cut Polly’s clothing like he did later with Catherine Eddowes. He lifted up Polly Nichols’ clothing as best he could and sliced her lower abdomen. When disturbed he ran away, allowing her clothing to fall back down and cover her wounds but still leaving her clothing partially up and disturbed.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 күн бұрын

​@@davekeating.I agree leaving the wounds on display was part of his MO and that the killer was disturbed. The obvious scenario is that Paul disturbed Lechmere.

This is a great video, many new facts learned, thanks a lot

@thehouseoflechmere9407

4 күн бұрын

So nice of you

I love this channel

It should be noted that, as PC Mizen said at the inquest that the other man (Robert Paul) "I think he was also a carman" suggesting both men looked like a carmen, this should comfort Paul a bit. But apparently it didn't.

Can you do a reenactment of exactly how Charles Lechmere approached Paul in the alley. I think it will shed light on whether Lechmere was asking for "help" or actually controlling the situation. A person that wants help is going to scream for help before or as they run over. If Lechmere walked over and grabbed Paul before he said anything, then he was stalking Paul. I'm certain that if Paul had ran, Lechmere would have assaulted him. I'm certain that Lechmere didn't ask for help before approaching because he wouldn't know how loud Paul's response would have been. Charles Lechmere demonstrated all the characteristics of someone on the hunt.

@jessejames4599

4 күн бұрын

We know that Lechmere did not utter a word before touching Paul because Paul said he tried to avoid and walk around Lechmere as he approached. He had no idea why this man was approaching him in the dark. If Lechmere had asked for help prior to approaching or as he approached, there would not have been any uncertainty in his mind as to what was happening. I think it is very plausible that Lechmere would have been cool enough to achieve this. We should remember that Lee Harvey Oswald was just as cool after shooting president Kennedy. Oswald was approached and questioned by a policeman before he made his way out of the school book depository building

@wattyler2994

4 күн бұрын

Unless the reenactment replicates to the highest degree the surroundings and conditions of that early morning I think such an exercise would be flawed and only serve to confirm rather than prove the Letchmere theory.

@bendavies8881

4 күн бұрын

It is always possible that Lechmere was wary of Paul for the same reasons that Paul was wary of Lechmere.

@wattyler2994

4 күн бұрын

@@bendavies8881 given the reputation of Bucks Row for "incidents" that is a credible suggestion. I am sure both Paul and Lechmere who used it regularly, would not have travesered its length without a thought in the back of their minds that they could have been the focus of attention of some malevolent person or persons.

@jessejames4599

4 күн бұрын

@@wattyler2994 That’s absurd. If you walk up to a person in what is clearly an emergency situation and grab their arm before saying a word, that’s stalking. That’s not merely asking for assistance. I am convinced that if Paul had attempted to flee, Lechmere would have ki**ed him.

Totally agree with you about the sanitising, but people lap that up. I unfortunately was recommended the book that does this and have never read so much tripe in my life. Still, it gets rave reviews for some reason.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

5 күн бұрын

Reviews from.people who know no better

A Tabloid Frenzy with Polly's Murder in 1888 & 136 Years later, there is an Internet Frenzy, trying to determine what happened and who was JTR, eh Edward...Lately, everyone seems to have made their choice from the multitudes of suspects, but the Mystery Endures...Cheers fm Damo😀👍

3:52 well said! I, too, dislike the modernity we sometimes place upon historical figures/victims; these women were no less valuable because of their profession, nor are any women who engage in it today. It doesn't, however, mean we get to rewrite history if we want to make for a more 'victim-y' victim. Often in true crime, you will hear KZreadrs go to great lengths to explain why this victim was an amazing person, worked with charity, lit up rooms, well, that may be but even if they were hermits and made no impact upon other peoples lives, their murders would still matter just as much as those who did! It gets a bit exhausting to see it time and time again, from well-meaning people that unfortunately accidentally perpetuate the idea that a victim needs to be 'wholesome/innocent' in order to matter. They ALL matter!

when lechermere hears pauls footsteps how does he know its not a policeman coming along

@thehouseoflechmere9407

5 күн бұрын

Police on the beat had a certain slow methodical footfall - also I think he'd already seen the local beat policeman slowly walking down Whitechapel Road going in the opposite direction - PC Neil.

@richardl772

4 күн бұрын

Youd have to think he’d been planning it for a while and since it was on his regular way to work he was familiar with the surroundings and what to expect in terms of the ‘comings and goings’ of others.

@wattyler2994

4 күн бұрын

​@@richardl772 interestingly as a road known for "incidents" one might ask the question why Letchmere or anyone else did not take another route to work which took slightly longer? This begs another question that the police too would have been aware of its reputation hence perhaps the beats of at least 3 PCs coming through or near Bucks Row. That being so why did the killer choose a riskier venue for his "work" and not a quieter street?

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

The usual presumption is that the victim chose the location

Currently reading Hallie Rubenhold’s book ‘ The Five’ she says that neither Polly nor the second of the canonical five Annie Chapman were prostitutes. Rubenhold questions whether the quote attributed to Polly as she left Wilmott’s “I’ll soon get my doss money, see what a jolly bonnet I’ve got now “ was ever said. She may have intended to pawn her hat or ‘borrow’ her doss money from an acquaintance, the poor helped each other more than they received from other sources. The above quote could also be ‘padding’ by a journalist to spice up the story or the exchanges as reported at the inquiry.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

4 күн бұрын

You can go down the route of questioning all the statements reportedly made by everyone... were pawn shops open at 2.30 am? What friends did she have in the direction of Whitechapel - the direction she walked off towards? She was new in the area. She refused a bed from Emily Holland. Was Emily Holland lying? The Rubenhold theory holds no water

@maryarigho5868

4 күн бұрын

No pawn shops open in the middle of the night. Just bump into a friend wandering the streets? Well, she met the warden but turned down her offer.

@user-if8sj1pq6j

4 күн бұрын

I have read the book and I find it very convincing. They weren't all prostitutes.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

Unfortunately she misses out evidence that goes against her theory. The evidence that Polly Nichols was a prostitute is overwhelming. And Mary Kelly. She actually concedes that Elizabeth Stride was. There is no sensible alternative explanation for Catherine Eddowes' movements and behaviours either. With Annie Chapman there is possibly less evidence.

@somnambulist7705

3 күн бұрын

They’re all dead, victims of a serial killer. Being out in the early hours offering trade to men made them an easy target. Trying to make up facts many years later to fit some ideological image of women today, is dumb and that book is utter and total trash that just appeals to a certain audience.

I think that if Mr Stow had been around 160/170 years ago he would have been a mate of Charles Dickens. (And, of course, he would be in the record books now for being the oldest man on KZread!)

@lyndoncmp5751

2 күн бұрын

A different, but interesting, thought. 🤔

Here’s what bugs me about Lechmere: He changes his mind frequently in a very short period of time. Initially, he seems to want to help the woman, flags down Paul to help, but then a moment later he refuses to do something that might save the woman’s life if she were not dead. Remember, Lechmere thought she was dead, but Paul thought he noticed a tiny bit of breath. Forget what we know now about Polly Nichols’ being dead. What if Paul had been right? And what if propping her up might have made it easier for the woman to breathe? Lechmere refused. Then later, after talking to Mizen, Lechmere now seems uncertain himself if the woman is dead or not, and implies so to the policeman. “She’s either dead or drunk.” To me, all of these actions combined doesn’t make much sense, psychologically.

@maryarigho5868

3 күн бұрын

Not surprising, as he was the killer. Watch Ed's other excellent videos.

@professorpyne

3 күн бұрын

@@maryarigho5868, yes, that’s what I think too. He could only have been trying to manipulate the situation so that he could leave the scene undetected after almost being caught in the act by Robert Paul.

@davekeating.

3 күн бұрын

It was Robert Paul who told PC Mizen, “I think she is dead.” Charlie Cross told Mizen. “She looks either dead or drunk.” Cross gave his evidence at the Inquest and never changed his account. Paul gave interviews to newspapers for money that contradicted his Inquest evidence.

@susanshepard699

2 күн бұрын

Lechmere knew she was dead. He was trying to deflect any suspicion of himself on Paul's part by pretending to have found her, and pretending to be concerned about her welfare. He knew that sitting her upright would make her slashed throat obvious. I think his refusal to further handle the body when he had already done so was the beginning of his strategy to get Paul away from the scene on the pretext of locating a policeman and getting on to work.

@professorpyne

2 күн бұрын

@@susanshepard699, I agree with you. What you have said here, it’s the only conclusion that makes sense.

I would be really interested in a presentation about the death of Alice McKenzie if you ever have time. Was she a Ripper victim or not?

Good film. And, by God, that's a scary photo at the end...

Perhaps I used the wrong words what I ment was that in my opinion JTR didn't necessarily only target Unfortunates/prostitutes but that they were the easiest targets as they would take a client to a place where they could conduct business and ultimately death by JTR. But that we shouldn't necessarily assume that he only targeted such

Odd that there was a railway policeman in the gate of the yard at the end of the road and yet he saw no one heard nothing.

@wattyler2994

4 күн бұрын

Asleep on the job? Rather like the gentleman (who to be fair denied it - although not convincingly) overseeing roadworks on Winthrop St the street just adjacent to Bucks Row and a possible (possible) escape route through to Whitechapel High Street for Polly's killer.

@davekeating.

2 күн бұрын

There was a nightwatchman “wide awake” in Mitre Square but still heard nothing at the time of Catherine Eddowes killing.

@wattyler2994

2 күн бұрын

@@davekeating. yes but he was indoors while the killer went about his "work" evisorating Kate Eddows.

@davekeating.

2 күн бұрын

@@wattyler2994 The nightwatchman near Buck’s Row had the whole premises to watch. The gate entrance hut would be his base; he really only needed to be there for unscheduled deliveries, shipments. The nightwatchman could have been anywhere on his round of the premises when the killer struck.

@wattyler2994

2 күн бұрын

@@davekeating. except that his main job that night was to watch over the works being undertaken on Winthrop Street. He was there the workers at the Horse slaughter yard testified to that, the real question was did he tell the coroners inquest the truth about how alert he was. He asserted, as one would expect, that he was awake. He didn't want to loose payment for his long shift.

Another intriguing video Ed Lechmere told Paul & Mizen that he was on his way to work at Pickford’s that morning he could have been lying we obviously don’t know just wondering if in those days Pickford’s had kept records of their employees but if they did I suppose those records have now been lost in time

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

All the records were destroyed long ago

Apparently the Frying Pan pub -- the one we see today -- is a building from slightly after 1888. Anyone have a picture of the building that was there before?? I'd love to see it!!

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

I didn't know that

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

I've read references to it being rebuilt in 1891 but also of landlords listed every year around then in trade directories so any rebuilding cannot have been that drastic... I think.

@EdwardStow I was wondering what you thought about regarding the "Jack the *Stripper"* murders during the 1960s, in and around the Hammersmith area. I think there's a lot of similarities between that case and the "Jack the ripper" case, assuming, as I do, you believe that Harold Jones is indeed the prime suspect. Like Charles Lechmere, there is a plethora of circumstantial evidence pointing towards Harold Jones being the culprit, and like with Lechmere, it's only way after Harold Jones has died, and the case is BEYOND "cold", has all that circumstantial evidence been "found" and present day highly experienced detectives and other "experts" have agreed that he would very likely be the "prime suspect" if it were a modern day investigation. Just wondering what, if any, your opinions on this were. Great video, *again,* btw.. 😊 👍

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

I may do a comparative film about the Jack the Stripper murders at some point.

@shellyseymore6249

3 күн бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 That would be brilliant!! 😁👍

Another excellent video and I feel very respectful. I feel so many so called 'Ripperologists' do not have enough respect for the victim's. And as Unfortunates/prostitutes they get painted with a bad brush . I also feel that we must remain open minded to who the perpetrator of the crimes was as if we don't look at it correctly it turns into a game of cludo. I belive its not a game and discovering who done it would bring closeure to victim's family's. However we must also consider that there may be family members of the suspect also. In hindsight it is easy to fit in suspects but the evidence for it being Cross/Lechmere is compelling and also belive that there were victim's before and after The 5 my main parallels being Sutcliffe and The Black out Ripper . I noticed that you showed Emma Smith , Annie Millwood & Martha Tabram from the City of London Cemetery also. But not Catherine Eddows so I guess you have a video planned, great suff you and Richard Jones content for JTR the best balanced 👌

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

I included those three markers as they were non canonical. I will.on due course do specific films on all the victims

Does Mary Ann Nichols have any living relatives, I seem to remember a tv series not long ago with a woman who was related to her?

Was there another mortuary at Bow?

@thehouseoflechmere9407

4 күн бұрын

There were two near Tower Hamlets Cemetery I know of

How many lodging houses were in the Whitechapel area in 1888?

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

I've seen a figure of 233

@sameyers2670

3 күн бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 Thanks, a lot of lodging houses

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 күн бұрын

​@@sameyers2670 Yes the area had the highest concentration in London which artificially skewed the poverty of the area and the overcrowding. Take them out of the equation and the East End then was not so poor or overcrowded.

I've asked you this before Edward and I'd like to know if your answer is still the same as the one you gave me way back when.... You've described the knife wounds being in a downward motion. In your opinion what direction is the killer likely facing as he's doing his mutilating, if we take sideways to the body outside of the equation? Would you say the killer is more likely to be facing Brady Street or Baker's Row? You've also questioned as to why neither men alerted the railway policeman, prior to alerting P.C. Mizen, as he was nearer to the crime scene. Would you not agree that the onus in this particular point is more on Robert Paul? As he was likely to have been walking that route for around a decade, as opposed to Lechmere who had been walking it, at best for the better part of a couple of months? Robert Paul knew that road better than Lechmere, describing the road as a place where attacks were common and would more likely know where policemen were based and patrolling.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

3 күн бұрын

Regarding the railway Policeman arguably Paul would have been more aware of his presence - but we know he was anti police so may not have wanted to involve himself. Also his wife was about to give birth which may have made him less helpful. Whereas overtly Lechmere was Mr helpful, public spirited and humble and respectful to the coroner so what's his excuse? My view on the wounds is that the killed looked west raised the dress as a shield and cut into the body that way

@andy5xcool

3 күн бұрын

@@thehouseoflechmere9407 "Whereas overtly Lechmere was Mr helpful, public spirited and humble and respectful to the coroner so what's his excuse? " : - Exactly what I previously wrote Edward.... Lechmere had only been taking that route to work for less than two months. He may not have known about the presence of a railway Policeman. In regards to which way the killer was facing, again I would have to disagree with you here Edward given the direction of the wounds. I believe he was facing Eastwards and gave no regard from what was coming from Baker's Row, but more alert to what may be coming down Brady Street. It would have been just as easy to lay Polly Nichols the other way before he started his mutilations. if his concern was more on an approach from the direction of Baker's Row.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 күн бұрын

​​@@andy5xcool I would guess Lechmere would have noticed a policeman at that gateway if he usually walked that way for 60 or so work days - 120 trips back and forth. Take Lechmere out of the equation for the other issue. Regarding laying the body down. This would have happened upon his strangling her and she would probably be difficult to maneuver round. Or she may have lain down herself before strangulation, again making maneuvers difficult if not impossible. If you visit the site it is obvious that the main point of potential danger is westwards as the distance to dead ground is only about 50 yards, whereas eastwards it is 130 yards. Any sensible culprit would be more worried about the western direction which would also be Neil's direction of travel - presuming the culprit knew this. And the direction to PC81 GER - if he knew this. The abdominal wounds were more superficial than the other victims - even the two deeper wounds and there were several minor stabs or slashes as well. I take it that he knelt pretty much over her face, pulled the dress up as a shield and then realised that the slashing was awkward - hence the uncertainty with the smaller wounds and even the nature of the two bigger ones. The minor wounds were lower down it seems and the knife may have hit bone. Preventing proper slashing. The longer wounds started under the rib cage - the thorax - and went down and away from him, whichbis slightly awkward. I think that's why they were not as drastic as seen with Chapman or Eddowes. He learnt from his error. This being his first properly outdoor attempt.

@lyndoncmp5751

2 күн бұрын

@andy5xcool ""I believe he was facing Eastwards and gave no regard from what was coming from Baker's Row, but more alert to what may be coming down Brady Street."" I can't believe ANYONE would "give no regard" to the blind spot just beyond the Board School and instead just focus on the far greater field of view towards Brady Street. The blind spot past the Board School is far more potentially problematic. You'd have to be stupid to give no regard to it.

@andy5xcool

Күн бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 The killer was highly likely to have approached Buck's Row with Polly passing the boarding school on the way to the murder spot. He would have gauged that it was unlikely that anyone would approach from that direction ha had just come from, having not been followed to Buck's Row, with also a last minute glance back up Buck's Row towards Baker's Row, before killing Polly moments later. However he did not know what may be coming from the direction of Brady Street, therefore more attention would have been diverted to an approach from that direction. On a final note, I thought we were done with each other? You accused me of being a troll, so why are you commenting on my comments again? Unless you're forthcoming with an apology first and foremost I will no longer reply to anymore comments you direct at me. Regardless of how well you may think you have the bested me. For two years you've tried and you haven't bested me yet! Whats more, I see more and more people raising their suspicions on Robert Paul.

When I heard the theory about these women not being unfortunates and merely rough sleepers I had a similar moment to when someone told me that there is no such thing as evolution. Pushing a religious or politcal agenda to shoehorn a theory, historical or otherwise, is just pitiful.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

4 күн бұрын

Yes

Very poignant.

wonder why nobody has ever suspected dr llewelllyn as being jack he could easy get home from there

@mmmamamamysharona

4 күн бұрын

I bet he’s on someone’s list 😅

@lyndoncmp5751

2 күн бұрын

And the other locations such as Chapman and Eddowes?

@lynsey19771

Күн бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 hwe knew the police so he could go anywhere and rhey would not of stopped him i dont know letchmere is my guess

Read the book called, The Five: The Untold Lives of the Women killed by Jack The Ripper. Written by Hallie Rubenhold. Very, very good book. Very interesting.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

4 күн бұрын

But unfortunately very inaccurate

It’s so ignorant and wrong for the woke to sanitise history, that’s how we learn. Life was very hard for most people, in most cases not of their own doing. Unfortunately this was the reality of life back then. The death of Mary Ann Nichols hits home hard to me. 40 years earlier, my own family were destitute, turned away by the church because the church didn’t have enough money to help anyone, so were forced to live on the street in what was then Hope Place, literally 100m directly behind the building where Mary Ann Nichols was murdered. Fortunately my family got a break and managed to get off the streets, many weren’t that fortunate.

@thehouseoflechmere9407

4 күн бұрын

A fascinating story

Your hat is crooked!

@thehouseoflechmere9407

2 күн бұрын

Battered