I do appreciate Dave chiming in for some of the more meta aspects of game design when it comes to these things. Good to have that extra perspective

@borismuller86

7 ай бұрын

I believe it was a suggestion made in earlier videos. Glad to see them adding this extra element.

@zuzusuperfly8363

7 ай бұрын

I agree, having someone to add context makes the videos feel more complete. I was confused initially when he kept appearing in every video, but he's been adding a lot so now I'm happy to see them make these videos as a team. Oh yea and after this video, the editor is having quite a bit of fun aren't they? I appreciate it, because when you notice the editor, it's because they're trying to emphasise what Jonathan is feeling in a way that isn't disruptive. It adds something to the raw footage that might otherwise be quite dry.

@bencaso2608

7 ай бұрын

I agree, I just wish he seemed a little happier to be there

@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it

7 ай бұрын

yep. thats cool of Dave. gamology doesnt do that and reactors go blind

@Sniper361984

7 ай бұрын

Agreed. It adds another layer to the commentary, which makes these videos all the more enjoyable.

Johnathan cringing at the bison is pure gold S tier

@nomad_boreal

7 ай бұрын

Yeah I got a good chuckle out of that one.

@samholdsworth420

7 ай бұрын

It's a bit of fun 😂

@Piratefoxyfox

7 ай бұрын

he saw what it truely is and started the griefing after making eye contact with that cat thing possessing the most haunted bizon

@bossshoang

7 ай бұрын

😢its horrifying 😢

@duncanmorris1984

7 ай бұрын

Its pronounced Bizon.

Johnathan is a pro at not accidently flagging himself. Even with these totally safe cleared weapons. Dude just exudes proper safety technique.

@gestaposantaclaus

7 ай бұрын

I noticed that as well. He has great muzzle awareness.

@alexwright2302

7 ай бұрын

18:23 points it right at his temple. But he's fairly good.

@Finimabob

7 ай бұрын

@@alexwright2302 if you watch it in slow mo im pretty sure it doesnt

@projectgg6730

7 ай бұрын

@@alexwright2302 i think it barely passed over his head. but the fact that he's well aware of the saftey and the care he gives the fire arms is what they were talking about

15:18 I believe the AWP is supposed to be .338 variant in this game, that's how they justify it being a lot stronger.

@LunaDevaKitty

7 ай бұрын

Surely but it's the wrong designation in that case.

@TachyKusanagi

7 ай бұрын

@@LunaDevaKitty Always has been the case. The AWP should've been designated "AWM" in every CS-game, but for some reason they stuck the AWP designation to it.

@thevalkyrieog

7 ай бұрын

@@TachyKusanagi I'm sure they did it because AWP sounds a lot cooler to say tbh

@proosee

7 ай бұрын

It is, I mean, in 1.6 where you had to buy ammo yourself it was .338, so I assume it is kept in the series this way. They even got it right making it the most expensive ammunition from all available 😅

@zecaoalfredo4242

7 ай бұрын

Definitely doesnt look like a 338 tho, the magazine seems like it is too short.

I do love Jonathan. I bet 3 years ago he wouldnt have imagined this series going on for as long as it is and im glad it has because i love his insight

@cykeok3525

7 ай бұрын

He's also become something of what I can only describe as a minor celebrity, I'll bet he wasn't expecting that either XD

the R8 Revolver is in fact, an actual revolver that Smith & Wesson has made, specifically the Model 327 Performance Center M&P R8, which does have a 8 round cyclinder chambered in .357.

I suggest showing the CS2 guns without skins, for example when you're showcasing the M4A4 for the Jonathan, you're actually showing the ported CS GO version of M4A4, not the CS2. They're not totally different, but they're different. It would be more appropriate considering the title.

@Helperbot-2000

7 ай бұрын

yeah, they significantly increased the details on many guns, and the m4a4 is one of those

@allenkennedy99

7 ай бұрын

It's ridiculous that they hadn't figured that out when they were getting the footage for this. Half of this video might as well be a repeat of CSGO's episodes

@alexisborden3191

7 ай бұрын

@@allenkennedy99 New games using old models is not unprecedented, MW3 used the same SCAR-H animation from MW2, there's a couple cars in the new Forza Motorsport that date back to 1, 2, and 3. I don't think its that wild to assume they just copy pasted it, especially when almost everyone does use a skin in game.

@allenkennedy99

7 ай бұрын

Aye, but not even all skins use the old models. Some have been updated already

@hufass

6 ай бұрын

@@allenkennedy99 only some skins valve has made themselves have been updated, no skins from cases that were created by artists on the steam workshop have been updated

Use the newer models for the guns in CS2 and you can avoid it by not using skins or you can show the newer model saying that it's the new model and then the skin saying that it's the model from CS:GO

@TedNeeTed

7 ай бұрын

this. no point in looking at cs2 weapons if you are gonna show the old models so often

@RaptorCleric

7 ай бұрын

@@TedNeeTedikr it’s so annoying

@raudrauga

7 ай бұрын

I don't understand why they do this, they're basically just recreating the csgo weapons vid

@CturiX.IREALLY

7 ай бұрын

At least use the skins to show the before and after between the models, ya

@oliverh.zachrau2688

7 ай бұрын

This!

Fun fact about the SG553. In the CS2 beta (and a short time after release), the game files called the weapon the GS556 before fixing it in an update after the games release.

Please Jonathan, break down the weapons from *METAL GEAR SOLID 3* before the remake comes out. So many weapons in MGS3 to react and comment on like the Patriot's infinite ammo magazine, the EZ tranq gun, Snake's customized officer M1911A1, Snake whittling the pistol grip to use a knife for CQC, Ocelot's SAA juggling skills, The End's paratrooper tranquilizer Mosin Nagant, the Davey Crockett recoil-less nuclear launcher and Eva's chinese mauser clone. There are so many more other interesting trivias and weapons in MGS3 so please gamespot and Johnathan make a video for the game.

@bobbu-bq7rc

7 ай бұрын

Good luck, you been requesting for mgs3 for years now and still no dice lol Would definitely like to see Jonathan's reaction to the officer m1911a1.

@ongogablogian4315

7 ай бұрын

Dont worry lad very obvious from gaemspot's motivations they would very likely make a metal gear solid 3 react video when the remake is almost out so they can garner them hype views, unlike order 1886 which is a dead game with no upcoming sequels or remakes 🤣

@PersonWMA

7 ай бұрын

The remaster collection should at least provide higher fidelity captures of the guns there, plus the cutscenes, so it should be possible.

@tbotalpha8133

7 ай бұрын

@@ongogablogian4315 The Order 1886 faithful will have their day! All five of us!

@paulopatine

7 ай бұрын

45, huh? Incredible. The feeding ramp is polished to a mirror sheen. The slide's been reinforced and the interlock with the frame is tightened for added precision. The sight system is original, too. The thumb safety is extended to make it easier on the finger. A long-type trigger with non-slip grooves. A ring hammer. The base of the trigger guard's been filed down for a higher grip. And not only that, nearly every part of this gun has been expertly crafted and customized...

such a fun series. I really enjoy that even when Jonathan is "appalled" by aesthetics, as he was with the Bizon, he still laughs it off and recognizes that it's just not to his taste, and a vidya game after all. Find myself smiling and laughing a long quite a bit to this series. Thanks!

Hoping for Arma 3: SoG Prairie Fire someday! Among much else, they've got some unique-field modded SOG weapons, like cut-down RPDs and M14s without front sights, I'd love to see Jonathan comment on that.

@cykeok3525

7 ай бұрын

@@ct-9465happy I interpret this as your impatience to see this game be covered, and are therefore encouraging @TugaAvenger to diligently persist with the request.

@TugaAvenger

7 ай бұрын

@@ct-9465happy Four times. Just trying to make a good case here, buddy.

The Sig553 does exist, it was a product improved version of the 552 that comes in multiple barrel lengths like the 551. As Jonathan says, definitely not the one shown in the game though.

@afd19850

5 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s a 556 in the game. 553 is the best version imho as you get the 553R in 7:62x39 making it truly a gucci AM.

I really want to see Jonathan break down the guns from The Order 1886

@devanshgupta9860

7 ай бұрын

Take my vote. I haven't even played/seen the game much but you guys really deserve this video

@FIVEBASKET

7 ай бұрын

Impressive work my man

@ComissarYarrick

7 ай бұрын

@@harrybirchall3308 He's not the only one, I too would like to see Jonathan breakdown about this game. Order 1886 maybe is quite "meh" game overall , but it definietly had great artstyle.

@TheGreatTsiom

7 ай бұрын

Gotta come by and support the lad, it's become a ritual for me every time now.

@tapch0w597

7 ай бұрын

I see this comment on every video like this now i wonder if your dedication will ever pay off

The SIG 553 does exist, and it's a pistol version of the SIG 556. Think of it like the Swiss HK 53, which you did mention before, Jonathan. So.. yeah, I think the devs just got it wrong or it was intentional. Either way, that'll answer your question.

@salasakura6267

7 ай бұрын

I might add, the SIG 553 comes stockless or with the side-folding stock

@lordsimonicus3479

7 ай бұрын

The SG 553 is an update of the 552 were they moved the recoilspring back to the front were it was in the 550.

@borismuller86

7 ай бұрын

My brother did national service in Switzerland and used one with the folding stock. You tend to see them on public transport.

@salasakura6267

7 ай бұрын

@@lordsimonicus3479 I see. Didn’t know that, so thanks for clarity.

@SplitRicer

7 ай бұрын

the ingame files’ technical name is weapon_sg556, so i think it was intentional

Since spooky season is upon us it would be interesting to see Johnathan breakdown the surprisingly intricate arsenal of Cultic.

It's extremely criminal that the game recorder gave him the older models with skins, even though the newer high fidelity models for CS2 itself is already available.

Just checking in to find the one guy wanting Order 1886 guns

It'd be kinda nice if they would stop showing him skins. Not cause i don't think it's funny but the skins use the old (worse) models from GO

@justgary4342

7 ай бұрын

Not all do. Most of the non-community made skins are on the new models.

@Kaiess_01

7 ай бұрын

@@justgary4342I’m pretty sure it’s just pattern based skins on the new models? I’ve got a fair amount of skins and most of them are still on the old models

@FriendOxygen625

7 ай бұрын

@@justgary4342 the only skins that use new models are the patterned ones. USPS check engine comes to mind. But we haven't gotten a case for CS2 yet

In black ops 1 you can earn an attachment that makes the cz75 full auto

11:35 just noticed this lol. You can see that Galil’s “bolt” thing goes through the model when reloading the gun.

Jonathan's camera has really improved over time

Thank you Jon for defending that rendition of Romeo and Juliette.

Wish Jonathan the best and hope this series will still bring joy to viewers and the ones, who make those videos

The fact that Jonathon was an OG 1.6 player just make this even better, seeing how far the game has come since he first played it

Baz Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet is really good if you go into it expecting it to be horrendous. It's super funny in like that it almost writes itself as a parody, but then there are some genuinely good actors in it. I've heard honest opinions from Theater Nerds that Harold Perrineau's Mercutio is genuinely THE best depiction of the character ever committed to digital memory, if not extending into the space of live theater

@IrregularDave

7 ай бұрын

I was forced to watch it by a lazy English teacher in high school, which no doubt adds to my distain of that movie

I would still love to see Jonathan react to the guns and similar from the Assassin's Creed series. The more I think about it, the more interesting options there are to talk about. The hidden gun, the artillery from Brotherhood, the cannons from Black Flag and Rogue, the air gun from Rogue (which has a grenade launcher attachment, I believe), the firing lines and battle missions from 3 with the musket warfare, the musket combat in 3 and Black Flag which actually uses the bayonet as well as the musket, the wheellock (?) that Cesare uses in Brotherhood, the various guns from Unity and Syndicate, the Greek Fire mission from Revelations, the grenade system from Revelations, the wrist crossbow from Unity, the crossbows from Brotherhood and Revelations, the gun-sword combination weapons in several games (Black Flag, for instance), etc. For a franchise that isn't really often thought about for its firearms and similar, there are a remarkable number of really interesting things to talk about throughout the franchise, I think.

In earlier CS games the skin used actually looked a lot more like the SG 552, that might also be why it's kept the name but the model has been changed with the times, hence the mismatch between skin and name, probably something that's happened with other guns too

I’d love to see Jonathan react to the guns and experimentals in Generation Zero!

@AWOLBones

7 ай бұрын

Yes!

@mr.zomboss

7 ай бұрын

ohhh Generation Zero...very nice!

@sciathoir

7 ай бұрын

Yooooo! My fiancé and I just got back into that game, it used to be pretty bad but the changes they made have definitely improved it magnitudes

Johathan should do SAO Fatal Bullet and COD Advanced Warfare

GameSpot needs to get Jonathan in front of a pc and have him play with some of these guns in a a video!

It'd be cool to have a look at Cry of Fear guns There's at least 11 and they're implemented wonderfully even if the game is on the HL1 engine also show him the branch :)

@MrSpooqy

7 ай бұрын

and the Famas

So good they did a part 2. Love this guy! Actually going to visit the museum soon too thanks to these videos.

@NKCS7

7 ай бұрын

Pretty sure valve paid for this video considering they've already did a video on CS guns which are the same in cs2.

I am enjoying this videos much more because Dave comes in frequently to inform more context! It gives Jonathan more context and another dimension to considere ^^

Glad to see you guys return to the guns of CS! Jonathans reactions to the skins are always great

18:47 I really like in COD Cold War that as you level up the Tec-9 you can make it burst fire or automatic fire with different barrels. Not sure if the barrel would change that irl as much as an upper receiver

For M4s and their variants, whenever they get big handguards like that, it is purely for the battery (which is usually a nun-chuck battery), most of the time, as the M4 buffer tube is not the best for battery storage.

Gotta admit, I love Johnathan and Dave talking about CS2 weaponry and their unique style and realism. Though something I think should be pointed out is that I believe in terms of CS 1.6 it was the Steyr TMP model used rather than the MP9. Which is funny since the TMP became the MP9 when B+T bought the rights to it.

When he was showing how the selector switch on the CZ75 6:09 all I could think is “push it forward and down it reveals a secret setting that will become important later”

Wasn't the AWP chambered in .338 in CS, thus the higher damage than the other bolt action rifle

@romaliop

7 ай бұрын

Yes, it just has had the wrong name in the game for a long time, since the police model doesn't have a .338 version and isn't green either.

The part about the M4 being modeled after an airsoft gun and not the real thing was really interesting

i'm with Jonathan on the Shakespeare Movie. I thought having the classic poetry lines mixed with modern visuals was a really cool move, makes the movie quite unique. and i really had to laugh when at one point a character said he'd get his Broadsword, and then he pulls out a Shotgun with "Broadsword" stenciled on it.

Small correction for the AEG issue making the AR wider than it should - it is because of the gubbins but not the electrical ones. Rather an issue with the gearbox that is required to fit in there. The actual place the electrical gubbins pose an issue for the airsoft(AEG) derived AR platform is in the pistol grip - because it needs to fit the (quite thick) motor and at a specific angle, the entire thing is kinda off.

The trigger finger at 17:17 haha

that eyeless cat stared right into his soul. good thing the Emotional Support Rocket Launch System is there to have his back.

i like when dave goes off on historic rants about the weapons haha. I think it's just assumed guns in games aren't realistic but learning about their history is facinating!

It's funny that Jonathan brings up pulling the gun down to compensate for recoil, and the gun pointing much higher than the crosshair, because that's actually a core part of how Counter-Strike's guns work! In fact, you can see in the gameplay footage how the player is adjusting their point of 'aim' to account for the simulated muzzle rise (and sway, in the case of some of the more difficult guns, but the CZ75's "recoil pattern" is mostly vertical).

I’d love to see Jonathan look at Totally Accurate Battlegrounds guns

I'd love to see Johnathan cover some of the older cod games, particularly some of the near/far future ones, like Advanced Warfare, Ghosts, Infinite Warfare.

Don't forget the MAG-7 in Black Lagoon!

Love the MAG-7 in Black Lagoon!

@callsigncoyote7931

7 ай бұрын

Thatd be a fun one to watch him breakdown

15:48 Actually, the Steyr Scout comes in .223 as well, I know this is a SSG 08, which yes, does stop at .243, but the reason I bring any of this up is that in the original 1.6 and Source versions of CS they were using the Steyr Scout, not the SSG 08, they usually do not change weapons very much if at all in between releases, so it's very likely that whoever put in the SSG 08 model assumed it was basically the same as the Scout

I wanna see a part 3! :)

I only watch game spot videos with Jonathan Ferguson, we love when he talks about guns

Pushing as always for you guys to have Jonathan cover Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter and to cover the M8 and MRI Caseless specifically as well. I have been posting for you to do this in every video a year back now.

Jonathan is right, the 96 Romeo and Juliet movie is great.

Supposedly the Vityaz did in fact replace the Bizon due to issues with the helical mag, which was supposedly a massive pain to feed new rounds into. I think Garand Thumb addressed this a little while back.

Really glad you showed more new default weapon models.

A question for Jonathan, given that it's a bit of an ongoing thing that you hate most customised or painted guns you're shown, are there any examples of decorated firearms you do appreciate? I'd love to see you talk about them here or over on the royal armouries channel

@alyoshamikhaylov7651

7 ай бұрын

"The Engraving Gives You No Tactical Advantage Whatsoever "

@mynameisleeyesitis

7 ай бұрын

Skins are just a terrible idea. Pros only use them for lots of money

@gabionsquared7858

7 ай бұрын

@@alyoshamikhaylov7651 "you look good, you feel good; you feel good, you do good; you do good, you win." i dont remember who said that, but it was in an old russian badger video. i think it was heavenly?

There was a time in CSGO where you could shoot accurate headshots from jump on Scout if you timed the apex right. For some reason the gun wouldn't suffer from inaccuracy in that context. It was a fabulous save round buy because you could really make a number with it, getting some really high value kills in a relatively cheap method and cheap cost.

i think him seeing some of the planetside 2 guns would be amazing, lots of variaty alognside exo suits. that would't be a bad idea

8:08 "Well it's a bit of fun." We're getting to him! He's understanding!

I would like to see Jonathan reacting to the guns of Warframe. The guns can be reviewed in the captura mode that can be accessed the top-right corner of the arsenal by clicking the icon with a camera and it would be interesting to see Jonathan reacting to Grineer guns, because their build quality is not good.

@TheFirstCurse1

7 ай бұрын

Yeah there are some amazing Warframe weapons that he could look at. So many amazing and truly unique designs.

Nice to see jonathan is continuing to be moved further into the storage room every video

Surprised Jonathan did not comment on that 12:09 ACOG reticle being just a green dot which balloons and disappears

Oh man I just noticed something on the Galil, its bolt carrier goes outside the top cover at the end of reload =) use 0.25x speed to see it better @ 11:35 (Also happens when firing xD)

Again, you showed Johnathan the old models of the guns when they have a skin applied, the newer models are better and more accurate.

Happy about the FN57 Battlestar Galactica reference. Now it just needs a grenade launcher to complete the comparison :)

Dave’s opinion on the 96 Romeo and Juliet movie is 100% correct

What I need is an episode of him comparing the guns from the CS1.6, or maybe Condition Zero if you want some similar but slightly more pleasing looking models.

The SG number is basically transfered from older games, where there was sg552, and I guess they just added 1.

The "Colt M4A1 SOCOM" looks like the M4A4, I believe this is where the inspiration came from

Still wanna see Jonathan take on the guns of Valkyria Chronicles. I'd love to see his reaction to an Anti-Tank Lance, as well as VC4's Mortar and various guns. I think he'd get a kick out of the Lenfield rifle.

These videos are really fun. Maybe a strange request but could you do a video on the utility items in CS? Like smoke/frag grenades or incendiary grenades.

I would really appreciate if Jonathan saw the comparison between models so that he sees what they changed about the models =)

I would love to see some sort of “indie reel” episode, with reviews of weapons from lesser known new games like trepang 2, cultic, etc.

Keep in mind that some skins (on the video) have the older model from CSGO, like the M4A4 and the Bizon, but great video overall.

I'm surprised that not only Dave nor mr. Ferguson noticed the weird finger movement. When firing automatic weapons, fingers do not squeeze the trigger like irl, they freak out instead as if they are pressing trigger for each single bullet. That's extremely noticable when using high rate of fire weapons like p90

This guy could legitimately stream and make a living just talking about guns to people from home. He's got the personality for it.

This guy is such a boss! Thanks m8

It would be cool if you can show him some skins of some guns, like you did with the P250 X-ray, he loved that one

The R8 does actually hold 8 rounds of .357 Magnum or .38 Special and both rounds are interchangeable as a lot of cops that worked for Police Departments that actually issued .357s or allowed personal firearms back in the old days would practice with .38 Special and save the full bore magnums for actual patrol use. The R8 was intended mainly for SWAT Shield Carriers hence why it had both an Optics and Laser/Light Rail it's a bit easier to use a revolver with a shield since you don't have to worry about potential limp wrist induced jams.

I was commenting on the AWP being chosen for being boxy in the last video. In retrospect I'm starting to think that wasn't the case because the steyr AUG exists in the original game. A lot of the different weapons cover the regions represented in the game more than anything.

They had so much fun with the bizon and tormenting jonathan with it

The Romeo & Juliet movie with Leonardo and guns is my favorite. It's awesome.

I would like to add that the default weapons in CS2 have a different model from the skins that were brought over from CSGO. It is very noticeable with the M4A4.

Luhrmann's Romeo + Juliet is amazing, shut up Dave. (good spot on the chrome plated Mag7 as Capulet's "Broadsword" tho)

Hang on, isn't the fire selector backwards on the M4 at 1:27? I was waiting for Jonathan to pick up on it. Then again, maybe I'm mistaken here.

3:36 They're missing the mag for the Mag-7. Now it's just a -7.

Purple highlights on the Bizon usually mean missing texture placeholder. And there is a Fallout 4 P90 mod where you CAN see the cartridges, follower and spring in the translucent polymer magazines.

@Gatorade69

7 ай бұрын

That's purple checkerboards. Looks like the purple is just the skin itself.

7:26 the reticle will be stationary, but you will certainly be hitting way above it with a CZ in game unless you are tap firing it

Hearing what guns he'd like to see represented would make a fun segment.

in the older days of counter strike it was stated the AWP fires .338 lapua magnum instead of the more standard 7.62 nato, so I guess that's the real reason why there is a difference

Did you guys notice on the P90, the player models fingers are vibrating when firing in full auto. So he’s not actually firing full auto, he must be in semi auto, and it’s just pulling the trigger so fast, it sounds like full auto. Player is JeagerZ999 confirmed

mag-7 is such a strange but cool one, probably my fav shotgun in the game

11:35 Wait. Look at the back of the dust cover while the reload animation is playing. Is that the Bolt that's clipping through the dust cover?

Please do the third part of Battlefield 1 guns. There are still so many cool ones missed like AT rocket gun, obrez pistol, flare gun, fricking granade club😂. U gotta do part 3!

I belive the name and model differences with galil for example are happening because those guns existed in previous games with diferent looks than in cs2 galil in cs go looked way different and older than cs2 galil but the name is still the same

I love the content, but one thing you should note is that with some skins, it uses the old models instead of the new updated ones, its very subtle but thats something to take note.

I'm surprised you didnt talked about the M4 Howl like you did with the AK Case Hardened