Since it was asked in the video, yes, the "partial burst" feature of the M16 is correctly modelled in game. Prematurely stopping a three-fire burst will result in the next trigger squeeze to fire the remaining one or two bullets.

@HardLenderCZE

2 жыл бұрын

You can even see it at 2:40

@t2force212

2 жыл бұрын

I have experienced it first hand in this game many times thinking it was a bug (as the game is rather buggy). I didn't know till watching this video that that is a real life thing. Thanks Jonathan.

@rishi8730

2 жыл бұрын

Wait 3+3+3+3+3+3+3+3+3 = 27 rounds total, 3 rounds more left in Chamber if 30 rounds mag is used. If 20 rounds mag is used then last 2 rounds left, one in chamber and one in magazine

@vaclavjebavy5118

2 жыл бұрын

@@rishi8730 What do you mean by that? The commenter is talking about stopping a single burst early, I don't know what your reply has to do with that.

@hornyducks4090

2 жыл бұрын

@@rishi8730 magazine not chamber, also what does that have to do with anything?

I love that it's been like almost 2 years but every video still starts with THIS IS JOHNATHAN FERGUSON THE KEEPER OF FIREARMS AND ARTILLERY AT THE ROYAL ARMOURIES MUSEUM IN THE UK

@samholdsworth420

2 жыл бұрын

And the constant music loop in the background lol

@Gronbar6

2 жыл бұрын

Hello on Forgotten Weapons, i'm Ian McCollum.

@FlowKio

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not his full name?

@HQ_Default

2 жыл бұрын

"Skip the intro bro" "Not this one bro"

@tbotalpha8133

2 жыл бұрын

Gamespot never know which of these videos might be someone's first exposure to this series. So it makes sense to explain the premise and introduce the host every time. Same reason a lot of non-serialized TV shows do it.

Served with the US Marine Corps and even in 2013/2014, rifle magazine retention was drilled into us hard, but the reason was related to the Taliban making IEDs with equipment dropped on patrol due to the likelihood another patrol may absent mindedly pick up the magazine thinking it had remained hidden until... boom. Magazine reload drills ALWAYS included mag retention whenever our Platoon Sgt or Squad Leader made us race each other.

@brobuscus1152

2 жыл бұрын

Thats super interesting! I figured it would have simply been a more esoteric reason of keeping magazines to manually load rounds into assuming you run out mid firefight.

@definitelynotfbi119

2 жыл бұрын

@@brobuscus1152 It had a lot to do with how we operated as well. Our patrols were mechanized with the exception being short range security patrols. The vehicles would drive us to a drop off point, move to overwatch, our foot patrol would continue for 3-5 hours, with the vehicles shadowing 2-300 meters away. So we would pack our vehicles with filled mags in case it went Alamo. Also whenever we would call in a casualty evacuation report (9-line), we would request an ammo replenishment and the medical team would drop off shopping bags full of mags and belts for M240s. Idk if they ever delivered .50 cal link before though.

"There are many like it but this one is ours" got an actual audible laugh out of me. Well done.

@lookout101

2 жыл бұрын

Same lol

@BenSuzuki

2 жыл бұрын

Semper fi tattooed on his left arm

@WAZOOMA

Жыл бұрын

oh

5:58 I love how nonchalantly the soldiers fire their weapons in this game. "I guess I'm hitting something over there, but it's whatever. This war is a real drag, man."

@junibug6790

2 жыл бұрын

If you're at all familiar with the ARMA series, you'll know that the BI set these games in a bleak, grim-dark alternate universe where wars are fought by soulless mannquins who are so tortured with their unnatural existence that they can barely form coherent sentences. "CONTACT! MAN! Two hundred! Meters! Front!"

@jedenzet

Жыл бұрын

the only way of capturing this footage is to turn on 3rd person view and turn your characters head to the side. That's why it looks like this.

your absolutely right about the variable rate of fire in the guns, you can hear it and even feel the recoil differences that come with it. There's a cool detail also where if your magazine gets hit it will display a bullet hole texture and when you swap magazines it will be gone, and if you put the damaged magazine back in it will be back....the magazines have persistent bullet holes

@t2force212

2 жыл бұрын

Wait really? Awesome! Do you lose any bullets or is it just a really cool graphic?

@yetanother9127

2 жыл бұрын

@@t2force212 Honestly, I'd expect that a magazine that's been shot through would be completely unusable . . .

@thing4826

2 жыл бұрын

@@t2force212 at the moment I believe all damage to your equipment is only visual. They may add them being broken because initially the gun would block bullets that hit it but after a few days they updated that if your body is behind the gun when it is hit you will still take damage. The fact that guns blocked bullets initially I hope means they were experimenting with hitboxes and maybe thinking about equipment damaging. (I mean that is in DayZ where guns and items can be ruined from being shot so I hope they add that)

@Jmvars

2 жыл бұрын

you're*

@lostwizardcat9910

2 жыл бұрын

@@t2force212 just a decal lol

I always find it interesting that the Irish Army, and British Army both used the MAG back in the day, then the Brits changed several times and came back to the MAG, while we stayed with it the whole time!

@jasonirwin4631

2 жыл бұрын

I always just guessed that Ireland can't afford to experiment with machine guns while the Brits have experimenting money.

@SennaAugustus

2 жыл бұрын

I've only ever tried the FN MAG and it's a really good weapon, don't see a need to change it.

@pnutz_2

2 жыл бұрын

@@jasonirwin4631 this is likely correct, The Chieftain mentioned this a while ago of his time in Ireland of the age of their vehicles and going out on parade, and a frenchman made a smartarsed comment about them fundraising for a newer vehicle

@ExtraThiccc

Жыл бұрын

​@@jasonirwin4631Maybe the brits should've just spent that money on useful stuff, like their severely crippled nhs that they brag about

0:22 Literally not a minute in, and Johnathan made me laugh with that comment. I'm glad to see he's still got his sense of humour. Johnathan, please, never lose it.

@samholdsworth420

2 жыл бұрын

Are you the original poster of this comment? Lol...

@jiaqir369

2 жыл бұрын

what he says is exactly what I would've done and then realize they didn't add the rocket and then get TK'ed

@foxymanaic5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@samholdsworth420 Yes I am. The moment I heard Johnathan say that, I had to comment it because of how much it made me laugh.

@foxymanaic5934

2 жыл бұрын

@@jiaqir369 Hahaha!

@lane7018

2 жыл бұрын

@@samholdsworth420 Nah, I've seen an older version of this comment.

I get such OFP flashbacks and nostalgia from seeing videos of this game. I hope they remake the Resistance island too.. That island was rad.

@Goran1138

2 жыл бұрын

Nogova was good, but relatively small, comparing with maps from other Arma games.

6:00 military Beretta M9s also have different sights to the civilian ones shown ingame. It should have a single white dot for both the front and rear sight instead of the two dots on the rear one as seen.

Jonathan is a national treasure, love these videos. As you do! ;)

@samholdsworth420

2 жыл бұрын

@Ben Avery yes I would then i'd give him a high five

@VersedFlame

2 жыл бұрын

@Ben Avery Oddly specific.

@isafbriefingofficer01

2 жыл бұрын

International treasure 😀

@rikkifulton5055

2 жыл бұрын

@Ben Avery please post this or it never happened 😁

TOPIC RECOMMENDATION: recently the video game series "America's Army" has been discontinued. It has been the official game of the U.S. Army and has been a franchise for close to 20 years. It would be a great opportunity to revisit the games from version 1 to 4 (Proving Grounds) and check out their guns. After all, from the start it was meant to be a realistic shooter, competitor to ARMA and the dev team had access to realistic gear and training to model their guns and mechanics. Would be great to see Jonathan's critique on it! :)

@Galahad_Du_Lac

Жыл бұрын

That’s a shame.

@peaceoutbruh7085

3 ай бұрын

America's Army was never comparable to Armed Assault in any way. It was a tactical multiplayer shooter where ArmA is primarily a sandbox

Hey Jonathan, navy vet here, and I used the M16 A2 in the Gulf war in 1991. In training we were taught to drop the mag, but we were usually on ships shooting at small boats so we could easily recover our mag from the deck, not sure if the Army was taught the same thing.

@kajmak64bit76

2 жыл бұрын

There is another comment here saying they had to learn magazine retention because Taliban would make IED's near those mags so some unsuspecting soldier will come to pick it up and then boom So yeah

@bonesmalone3563

2 жыл бұрын

@@kajmak64bit76 Yeah but he severed around 2013 or so training could have changed via then

@kajmak64bit76

2 жыл бұрын

@@bonesmalone3563 changed just like the Taliban ( it didn't most likely )

@TheMakushimirian

Жыл бұрын

@@kajmak64bit76 you know, if they had to worry about the talibans making IEDs on their ships from dropped mags, i think theyd have more pressing matters to worry about, namely how the talibans got on the ship to begin with. Imagine not reading the message, Kvn is saying hes a navy vet, described service = -91, firing from THEIR ship on small boats... Thats vastly different than fighting the talibans, boots on the ground.

It's been a long time since we came across a video where Jonathan's mentality was put to the test with Cursed Weapons. I hope we meet in the next video.

@afd19850

2 жыл бұрын

Homefront the Revolution would do that. Making an AR15 a mine launcher by swapping upper and going from an M14 to a bolt action

Wait, so by saying "the fire rate of a real gun can actually change by the way you're holding it" ... Jonathan is confirming that Unreal Tournament's depiction of the pistols firing faster when held sideways is actually feasible?

@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz

2 жыл бұрын

No.

@taxevasion4870

2 жыл бұрын

@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz 🤓

@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436

2 жыл бұрын

yes, you'll even be faster if you hold it upside down for negative recoil stats.

@KeksimusMaximus

2 жыл бұрын

That's why nworders in ghettos shoot it sideways. Actual science right here

@lonewolfhero3526

Жыл бұрын

@@justsomeguywithoutamustang6436 and you pull the trigger with your pinky

Can we all take a moment to appreciate that Dave has worked out a way to expense all his game purchases with this series? Good work!

"Babe wake up gamespot posted a new Johnathan reacts video"

Yal should show Jonathan the alternate history guns of Bioshock. Would love to see his take on them

@afd19850

2 жыл бұрын

Yup but all of then! Bioshock 1,2 and Infinite

@Ismail-tp1wn

2 жыл бұрын

*yes*

When I was in combat I would drop the mag and load another one then throw the empty into a dump pouch. It all depended on what kind of combat we were in though

@samholdsworth420

2 жыл бұрын

👍🏻🇺🇲

@andersonlailplace

2 жыл бұрын

Was this back in the '80's? I'm just curious because as I understand it, there was a lot of importance placed upon expended mag retention. Of course, things are different in combat, but muscle memory still counts.

@Camilhurt

Жыл бұрын

@@samholdsworth420 thank you for your service

Kinda want to see Jonathan react to large canons in video games, since he is the keeper of firearms and artillery. Maybe a tanks game?

@BT-ex7ko

2 жыл бұрын

I believe he's touched on that in a video a while back and unfortunately, although that's his title, he is unfortunately not as well versed in artillery than he is with firearms. I'm sure he could do it if given time to research on the items, but it is not his specialty.

@cgi2002

2 жыл бұрын

@@BT-ex7ko by artillery they tend to mean black powder weapons, tanks and the like you need to head to Bovinton.

So Jonathan Ferguson is also the Keeoer of Artillery, you he could take a look at WarThunder

Rising Storm 2 Vietnam also had the adjustable iron sights as well. Would love to see more coverage of that game again.

While the PKM belt might look like it’s feeding correctly it doesn’t have the Soviet style empty belt coming out the other side. They use 50 round non-disintegrating link belts that come out that are supposed to be picked up and reused. Which is surprising since this is one of the few games I’ve seen that actually show links as well as empty brass ejecting from the M249 and the M60. A minor thing to be sure but the game is trying for realism after all. It can also be a visual indicator of how much ammunition is left in the carrier, if the gunner knows how many link belts have dropped off and how long the current one is.

The S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series and its many mods might be an interesting one to take a look at. If you want to break Jonathan though, some of the over the top weapons of Earth Defense Force might do it.

@dodobird679

2 жыл бұрын

I'd be curious to hear his opinion on the buster shot or the bouncy canister shot

@blackjacka.5097

2 жыл бұрын

@@dodobird679 the javelins

@railox1339

2 жыл бұрын

@@dodobird679 I think the air tortoise from some of the earlier games would make him immensely disappointed

*Johnathan please react to Wolfenstein or Homefront: The Revolution next.*

@catosicarius6175

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

@weptaloable

2 жыл бұрын

upvoted!

@jtplays7411

2 жыл бұрын

Which Wolfenstein though? The original? First reboot? Or Second reboot?

@weptaloable

2 жыл бұрын

@@jtplays7411 The New Order and The New Colossus, please, sir

@kolega4ever

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah! TNO guns are awesome, I loved their design!

Loved the subtle nod to the rifleman’s creed at 15:50! Always look forward to these, keep up the good work guys!

You have to get Jonathan to react to the guns from Operation Flashpoint (now ArmA Cold War Assault) now that he's done Reforger, obviously the models now will be much more detailed but it'd be interesting to see the accuracy comparisons between the two games seeing as they have all the same weapons.

I love that he can spend more time talking about the history of the various weapons than about the errors that the game has. Speaks both to his knowledge and the fidelity of the game.

I think johnathan is having a blast with these videos jajaja

I actually had a question that I had wondered about but couldn't find why RAF Chinockes had M60s instead of the GPMG answered. So thanks Johnathan for that.

This is easily my favorite series on KZread. I absolutely love it.

I love these videos, Jonathan is so good. I'm a massive ARMA fan so glad to see it get some love. Very interesting about period correct reloads

Congrats on 5 million subscribers. While I'm not one of them, I only come here for Jonathan videos, regardless congratulations are in order.

@EddieRiggsBF3

2 жыл бұрын

Truer words have never been spoken.

one of my favorite series on youtube! I do kind of miss seeing more of the real world weaponry that's depicted in games. I mean it's behind Jonathan on the desk but I wish there was more to see and do with them

Thanks gents! My wishlist for you to cover: Bioshock series Wolfenstein series Killzone series

I think it could plausibly make sense the M16A2s have that much wear after 3 years service, as most of the wear came from the heavy ongoing battles on Everon in 1989, the setting of the game. In the lore of the game, these same rifles were also seeing heavy use in combat in 1985.

Funny thing was I was at a 203 range before my last deployment in 07 the lane safety where I was firing noticed that I wasn't even using the sights and hitting all the targets. My buddy that was the safety then asked me if I used the sights, I then told him how much and many times I qualified with a 203 on M16a1, M16a2 and now on M-4 it was just a decoration now other than small window size targets.

I like how legitimately happy he gets when he notices little things that are done well in these games.

1:26 The M16A2 does that ingame like he said.

Always nice to see these videos put up on my feed, keep them coming :) Maybe show Jonathan some weapons from mafia 2, there are some descriptions on the gunshops which i think he will find amusing, as well as a nice variety of classic weapons.

I love this series, Jonathan is a delight on this channel. There’s one game that isn’t out yet but the developers have released a lot of pre-production footage + commentary. The game is called Afterconflict, and it’s this sort of alternate history “Cold War gone Hot” type setting, by a Ukrainian dev team. The game has a high emphasis on realism even in the most minute details, it’s fascinating to see.

This video was amazing!

Excellent commentary Johnathon.

I dunno if its just the little bits of gameplay I got to see but I like how all the guns seem to kick up dust and produce a little smoke a little touch but adds so much to realism.

Even Jonathan Fergusen recognizes that the M14 is a good rifle. That made me smile a little.

I remember looking at pictures in the magazine News Week. During Desert Storm in 1991. Where some units in the U.S. military had M16A2 rifles, and other units had M16A1 rifles.

Awesome, thank you 👍

I would love another episode of this game

Jonathan has to be one of the best experts of any "expert reacts" series on any channel. Really appreciate everything he brings to this series. Now that I buttered you guys up, another comment for Post Scriptum guns! Really loved that game since the open beta and the sound design has always been crazy impressive to me. Would love to see them nitpicked or show me how wrong I've been about all the things I thought were great, ha!

Also note that the AK-74 is automatically sighted to 440m, which was standard doctrine in the Russian military for the time. The idea was that you would aim for the belt line of an enemy soldier and typically the rounds would land around the chest area.

fun fact: Reforger’s AK is zeroed at 440m by default, which is actually accurate as Soviet doctrine was to aim at enemies’ beltlines and hit them in the head/upper torso

Arma is just the closest thing you can get to a military simulation without playing an actual military simulation. Really something you could fall in love with if you're into this type of thing. Such fond memories, going all the way back to Operation: Flashpoint! EDIT: wouldn't be surprised at all if the guys and girls at Bohemia did in fact watch this and adjust their game to all the things Jonathan spotted that they had gotten wrong! =) EDIT 2: Nice Full Metal Jacket reference there, Jonathan! xD

I’ve been playing reforger since release and I just noticed the variable rate of fire during the PKM segment

Did you know the M249 comes in 7.62x51 as well? It's called the MK 48. Which doesn't come until 2003.

@G-Mastah-Fash

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah FN calls it the Maximi

@martinkosecky4943

2 жыл бұрын

Though MK48 is only used by the US SOCOM iirc just like it's smaller brother, the MK46 (which is basically just a lighter weight version of M249, still chambered in 5.56x45, with a different handguard, certain features such as the STANAG magwell and feeding system removed to save weight etc.)

I know this is about to be the most silliest comment but I don't think I've ever heard a British person say aluminum like an American, that was wicked!

WAIT WHAT? No way! I thought that the stopping mid burst and ending it with the next trigger pull thing was a bug :'D

13:07 and 0:48 I hope its not just me but the M16 and the M60 are some of my most favorite weapons just because to me they look good.

I really like that tshirt Jonathan is wearing. I've seen it in some of his other videos and I want one

yet another fantastic video. "Cycle of Violence" t-shirt by C&Rsenal noted

Being a lucky one to have used both PKM and FN MAG: one weighs a lot less than the other, something you deeply appreciate after hauling it around for a week or so

"We got some clipping issues with the, the users face and the stock, which is clearly not intentional... I'm sure is going to be addressed..." Oh, yes, I am sure they are clearly going to address this... they did with ARM... oh... I uh... I wouldn't hold my breath...

@nathanz7205

2 жыл бұрын

Cough DayZ cough

With head tracking the scopes have BEAUTIFUL parallax effect. So when your eye is not perfectly centered you get that black shadow that makes aiming impossible.

Inconsistency spotted: Although the game's PKM machinegun seems to cycle the belt though the weapon realistically, we do not see the belt on the other side of the weapon as if it used NATO-style disintegrating links. The PK and PKM use non-disintegrating metal belts which come out of the left side of the receiver with each segment still attached to the next.

Even though the game has lost its popularity, Dirtybomb has some familiar but frankenstiened firearms that would be interesting to show Jonathan

@BT-ex7ko

2 жыл бұрын

I miss that game... ;3; Gone too soon!

@StoffiePrductions

2 жыл бұрын

why?

@StoffiePrductions

2 жыл бұрын

ah lol nvm i thouhgt u talk about reforger, but yes sadly dirtybomb died. played it a lot

16:35 - The AK-74 in the game has an early date on it (although the serial number format is honestly a bit weird). However that means an AKM gas block would actually be more correct, because that's how early AK-74 rifles were built. In fact, Tula made Soviet AK-74 rifles had the "OG" gas blocks as late as 1981 at which time all Izhmash produced ones already had the newer type.

The kinda recently added a hard cover mounting system and I amazing on the LMG’s and marksman rifles for those long shots or many quick shots

I used to have one of those woodland camo uniforms they're wearing in game. The US Uniform. When I was a kid, I would pretend I was in special forces missions, with BB guns. Hiding in bushes, pretending to cut power on fuseboxes, etc. In the apartments i lived in at the time, the landlord (Which i was very close with her kid as a good friend at the time) told me that someone donated this uniform we see in game. So naturally i wore it (Even though it was too big for me) and i loved it, so so much. I unfortunately do not have it anymore, as i've lost it from moving, but i really wish i still had it, it would at least fit me now, lol. I wish i knew the name of the person that donated it, so i could thank them for the uniform, and their service.

They do actually model the 2 round burst thing, I've tested it myself

19:15 Not only is it scaled correctly, game has manual that teaches you to use it correctly.

17:04 Once I wasn't thinking and shot at a tree while I was walking back home carrying a kayak on my head (it's upside down with my head basically inside it), and I thought I might've blown out my eardrums. It's just a little 9mm, not that loud, but with my head in that boat it sounded like a flashbang.

the M21 actually had a bit longer of a service life than 7 years with a few of them being pulled out of storage for service during the GWOT, same with many old M14s and M14NMs , though many of these M14s remained unaccurized and were modified with rails and scopes

Of all the games for him to not mention the ejected cases. I was really impressed by the m60's case being intermingled with parts of the (I'm assuming here; not a specialist) disintegrating belt was super cool

This is the best Jonathan Ferguson video on GameSpot

Love to see Bohemia being recognized for their fantastic attention to detail.

As a player and modder in Reforger, the m203 leaf sight is actually animated to flip up on use of the m203 but the code currently doesn't call for it. Just like the animation for the fire select switch, it's animated, just unfortunately doesn't call for it in the code. Even though some weapons do animate correctly, the m16a2 is probably the one with the most missing links in the code.

Johnathon makes me want to play this game!

I'd love for Jonathan to take a look at some of the weapons in Warframe. A lot of unique ones there.

Those M-16's in the beginning reminded me of my first service weapon when I deployed to Iraq in 2003. They sent me to Ft. Hood from 3ID for "Casualty Replacement" . Basically a giant group of Infantry from varrying units, with varying skills, that would replace the injurrd up North. When they issued our weapons they gave us refurbished M-16 A1's, like Vietnam service M-16's 😆. They swapped the Auto selector for three round burst, but it still had full auto engraved on the side 😆. I think we had the oldest service rifles in the military back then 🤣 🤣 🤣. Eventually I was moved up to a janky M-249 that a soldier had abused thoroughly. It was the M-249 with the rotating, collapsible, stock, and the kid got so mad doing mission, after mission, he THREW it, and broke the upper retaining pin on the collapsible stock. If it dropped on you while firing or moving, the open bolt could fly out the back and smash you in the face, shoulder, chest, or your battle buddy 🤣.

I reckon you should do either metal gear solid 4 or mgsV (mgs5) I reckon there is a very good range of weapons and some good possible cursed guns to make Jonathan hurt inside for all of our visual pleasure

Would love to see Jonathan’s take on star citizen. Cool combos of ballistic and energy weapons in that game

Thank you for wearing one of C&Rsenal's "Cycle of Violence" shirts.

The A2 rear sights are well represented, I understand why they don't model to the long range aperture because it'd be hard to see through a screen, while IRL it's still difficult but with training it becomes easy

I always find it funny when people say the M16A2 is dated or old. It's 2022 and I'm active duty Army and issued an M16A2 still. He'll, deployed twice with it

"Aluminium" Love Jonathan 😄

Something I find insane that shows how far tech has came this could run on Steam deck a ps5 and a high spec pc and with the right settings would look and play good on all of them.

After all these years, WHERE ARE THE SLINGS!?!?!

I was always curious with the PKM, When shooting this thing, the brass, shoots out the left of the gun, and it's going to hit your arm with hot brass!!

Regarding the M21. M21s were rebuilt by the FT Benning Marksmanship Unit with glass-bedded stocking from selected M14. It isn't just an M14 with a Leathwood ART scope stuck on it.

Have a look at dead space

I think the first variable fire rate gun example I’ve seen is in the game Squad. I know that the m2 .50s at least have a varying pitch as you shoot, not sure if the gun is actually firing at varying rates though

Congratulation for 5 Milion Sub

Great vid as always guys. Would love to see Jonathan pick apart ghost recon wildlands' guns sometime ;)

Have Mr. Ferguson react and analyze Weapons from Killzone and Resistance series.

Love these videos Would love for him to give the game a rating at the end and final thoughts.

It does model the M16 burst correctly and I was both very impressed and annoyed. Lol

Next TARKOV wipe there will be the g36 and AUG but even without the wipe we need Jonathan to react to more TARKOV guns

Had a m9 berreta airsoft pistol years ago

Never played ARMA 3 or any of ARMA game but I heard a lot of good things about it

this is an AK, there are many like it but this one is ours Love it!

i know its a old indie game, but i would love jonathan to look at EYE weapons