"Not to offend any russian viewers, but the reality is many russian weapons are crude, effective and reliable" I'm not so much as offended, but as proud about that fact

@quentintin1

6 жыл бұрын

it breaks you before it bends

@sammydavis4218

5 жыл бұрын

@@sean7456 like ladas.

My mosin shoots quarter size groups at a thousand yards, makes me breakfast in the the mornings and does my taxes.

@dorianidris5581

2 жыл бұрын

InstaBlaster

Don't handle mosins like a mauser. The action is quite different. For a mauser it's a simple turn-pull-push-turn sequence. Due to the angled cam surface on a mosins reciever it will stick like glue if you rotate the bolt straight up. You have to start pulling on the bolt even before it's fully unlocked. The motion is as if you want to strike your left shoulder with your right and in a big arc. If you do that, it works almost effortlessly. Similarly wgen you're on the forward stroke, you start pushing the bolthandle to the side as soon as you're near that same surface. I had a 1952 made soviet M44 and that thing worked smooth as butter when i handled it correctly. Just a friendly little advice from switzerland :) hope it works out for you when you shoot a mosin next time.

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

They rarely "work out" and are one of the worst bolt actions ever fielded. ~K

@Broken_Yugo

6 жыл бұрын

That and most mosins need the chamber scrubbed out really bad. Mine never sticks with most ammo, but when I cleaned the cosmoline out of it I scrubbed the chamber clean with a tight fitting bore brush on a power drill.

@ABCKorpi

6 жыл бұрын

yes, i never wanted to imply otherwise. They are crudely made and the safety for example is almost unworkable but i thought that i share the little trick i found out with a fellow gun enthusiast. I really like your channel, so keep the good stuff coming.

@nickwhite2569

5 жыл бұрын

My Mosin was the first bolt action rifle I owned and therefore became used to it. So I bought another. All I can say is that every other bolt action rifle I've used since then has felt like a drastic improvement.

@ultramagnus4374

4 жыл бұрын

ABCKorpi thanks for that tip, will try it next time

Thanks for still releasing this video even if you had to cut it a lot because of the noises! SLAP THAT BOLT!

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

Yes, I had to navigate around VERY LOUD gun fire quite a bit. Thanks!

My antique M39 has a super smooth Bolt but I think it was put together by somebody that was drunk because the front sight and the back sight and the barrel are all canted different from each other relative to the receiver flat

@deadpie1234

6 жыл бұрын

No, you see, all the cants perfectly cancel eachother out to produce a perfectly accurate rifle.

I took me until the end of the video to realize that this was a InRange video, and not a Forgotten Weapons video. I thought Karl was making a guest appearance.

Good to see the Finns didn't get rid of the sticky bolt. Even my own personal Finish Mosin has a sticky bolt. Something just never change LOL

@Bearsmith23

6 жыл бұрын

AR47vet I don't know if it's just my rifle, but my 1942 mosin has a super smooth bolt...... might have something to do with the 1000+ rounds I've put down the pipe in the year and half since I've got it though.......

@Chiefshadow4

6 жыл бұрын

The sticky bolt is because people are dumbasses and don't oil the firing pin spring, firing pin and channel. It's an excuse for people who suck at cleaning guns.

@xmm-cf5eg

6 жыл бұрын

some are smooth, most are hard, but It suits the rifle, I actually prefer it, you *KNOW* when a mosin is ready to fire.

Special thanks to Karl: "Take the crude out!" - I wouldn't put it better myself. If you want something more refined from a Russian design - just give it to the Finnish Master (builder, mechanic, whatever...). It is not even a Russian Master is in any way inferior to the Finnish Master - the thing is, Russian Master doesn't really see the problem in crudeness. And MN was not supposed to be "the greatest Russian rifle in History" - it was set to retire by 1920s. 3 wars made it into legend - not a design itself (there were lots of complaints out-there even before the Russo-Japanese War). Thanks, guys, appreciated.

I'm confused. Why the sudden videos about spurdo weaponry first in Forgotten Weapons and now here? It's still good content

@fadefade

6 жыл бұрын

Bergele :D

@TheFranssiBrother

6 жыл бұрын

O fug :DDD:DDDD:D

@chadpunte1731

6 жыл бұрын

Benis. :DDD

@alkestos

3 жыл бұрын

OH FUGG IDS 2021 :DDDS

This showed up on my recommended feed nicely. It's 13th of March, it's the 80th anniversary of the ending of Winter War, and Winter War had Simo Häyhä, who used an M/28-30 Mosin Nagant.

Great editing considering the surrounding. 😊

Super interesting! Thanks!

Jeewiz InRangeTV uploads before forgotten weapons? How interesting

Is this old footage from the last time you guys were in Finland or do you guys just keep flying back and forth?

@Morbacounet

6 жыл бұрын

Travel trough time and space with Karl and Ian !

@mariusdragoe2888

6 жыл бұрын

No way it's that sunny and warm in Finland right now

@CptCudlScoops

6 жыл бұрын

They're spacing out their upload times. To stretch out the filming, I'm assuming. It would get pretty old if they posted it all at once.

@EggwardEgghands

6 жыл бұрын

It's about 5 C, so no.

@smokeydops

6 жыл бұрын

They use a Dixie waste bin.

Great to see more video from your trip. I was lucky enough to get my hands on a beautiful 41 SAKO barreled m39 and absolutely love it. Head and shoulders above any other Mosin I've handled.

@olppano

6 жыл бұрын

Why you so rude?

@Warterdesmanne

6 жыл бұрын

olppano i was about to say the same. I mean damn I wasn't bragging... Just attesting to how much better the Finnish variants are. Oh well "haters gonna hate"...

@Warterdesmanne

6 жыл бұрын

netflix netflix no problems brother. I know the feeling... Been up since 4:30 EST this morning. Hope you get some rest soon and have a great holiday weekend!

What you forgot is the Tkiv 85 which is a sniper variant of the Mosin Nagan and still in service.

Hay guys, maybe the Finns are on to something. It's not the rifle it's the man.

I want to make a clever comment, but I haven't Finnished the video yet.

@thunderbug8640

6 жыл бұрын

bad man.

@ronnieman87

6 жыл бұрын

Boo

@GreenDayFanMT

6 жыл бұрын

good one

@TheIndogamer

6 жыл бұрын

Seems like you have no good idea. Your mind messes up if you're *Hungary.* Eat some *Turkey.*

@Snowtail07

4 жыл бұрын

Everybody is Russian to make puns, they need to Czech themselves

I'm guessing it's just the shadows fucking with the color balance, but every once in awhile the grass behind them starts changing colors. Looks like they're shooting rifles in Wonderland or something.

Every now and then you can find a mosin with a decent bolt. Working with them some can especially help. I've gotten my M39 to a pretty slick point. It's still a mosin and was sticky with hard extraction when I first got it but after working with it a bit its smooth now. It's no Enfield but significantly better than youd expect from a mosin

1930 M27 , heavy barrel, modified rear sight, modified winged front sight Finnish 2 piece stock, new barrel bands. Proud to own, also 1934 and 1943 M91s. Cool ole rifles, I often wonder about the men who carried these into battle. If these could talk. Nice video.

Thank you at 0:57 for saving my ears.

Note: Improved marksmanship. And it is fitted with a type of three point sling. Didn't someone say 'Cut into pices and throw away?' I was always taught to wrap mysupport arm through the sling, it stabalises the rifle and does give better accuracy.

All hail Simo Häyhä.

@Fruitfactory

6 жыл бұрын

One of Simo Häyhäs rifles is located in Boden, Sweden if anyone is curious. I´ve cleaned it myself along time ago. Just contact me if you want more info.

@adamhauskins6407

6 жыл бұрын

Fruitfactory * I have one, how the hell did it get there?

@Fruitfactory

6 жыл бұрын

adam hauskins I have dig into the rifles history a bit to find out but I guess it got handed over to museum due to the museum's great reputation. The rifle might have found it's way to Boden due to the fact that Boden is known for its military presence and history. Maybe it was just a natural place to go when it found it's way into Sweden. But as I said, I need to do some more detective work on details. Thank you

@xmm-cf5eg

6 жыл бұрын

I wish I could tank a PTR-D round to the face. Finnland number bone! :DDDDDDDDD

"You manhandle mosins." Yeah you do. I remember the first time I ever held one, I couldn't get the damn thing to open. Not sure why I thought it would just come open like the Swedish Mauser I'd been shooting earlier that day, I'd heard about their reputation.

@andrewc9929

6 жыл бұрын

I had been out shooting with some friends. When we stopped at a local gunshop afterwards, I found the mosin in a rifle rack looking like it wanted to sold. Needless to say, it was not sold that day.

I have an M39, and it is my favorite rifle in my collection.

5:59 "This is Simo's rifle I was told, which means I'm going to miss everything because there's no Russians downrage."

My M39 has a fairly smooth bolt, even my Russian 91/30 is pretty decent. The Finnish Mosin has a better trigger but still shoots very high at 100 yards.

That was the ONLY complaint I had on the Mosin 98/30. I wanted a bit of 4x4 to work the bolt, lol.

That'd beat my hand to pieces slapping that bolt handle, but at least you know it is getting the job done.

Great video. But what about covering the M24?

Can you do a video of why the Mosin-Nagant falls short of its contemporaries?

Will you guys be releasing Red October 2017 stage videos?

InRangeTV Ian, you should do a Polish mosin m44. Extremely high quality mosin's.

Very interesting about that horrible stiff bolt. I have a Finn 91, Finn 91/30, A M27, and four M39's and they all have very easy to use bolts (for a Mosin). Usually the Finns chose bolt parts that fit and functioned quite well, then just re-numbered the bolt handle. Maybe some parts got swapped on that one over the years....or needs some work/cleaning. All Mosin bolts definitely have issues related to the design, but ones as bad as that one are rare on a Finn in my experience.

Hyvä 😊 . suomalainen sotilaskivääri palveli hyvin toisessa maailmansodassa.....hyvä ase .

I guess I just got lucky with my m39 then. The bolt on mine was as smooth as my 1940 k98k. Stupid accurate too. 1-2 Moa out of it off of a bench.

were did yall find the beyonette for the M39! i want one sooooooo bad for my M39!

@Bladsmith

6 жыл бұрын

In Finland.

i should have bought a dozen M-39's from Classic :( i did buy one beautiful Sako 1942 M-39 though that i call the magic Mosin cause at 200 yd.'s it's boring shooting at a 12" gong. looks brand new all the metal and stock that once i cleaned all the cosmoline i finished with BLO . The strap i soaked with Ballistol and brought it back to new condition. really all Finnish rifles are excellent even the new bolt rifles shoot well. only limitation is my eyes shooting with irons :) 54r milsurp ammo has gone threw the roof now but the new non-corrosive stuff is still cheaper than most .30cal. ammo. got lucky and have 2 cases of brass non-mag. Yugo 54r that i don't want to use. lol.......good video.......

Does anyone know what range the M39's were zeroed at when they were assembled? I wonder because the only rounds I have shot through mine hit about a foot and a half to two feet higher than point of aim at 100 yards.

@mparker548

2 жыл бұрын

150 meters I believe

Love my m27 ski pole!

@brianwhite6249

3 жыл бұрын

This has nothing to do with modern guns

I have a question I have just received a 1932 finish M27 and I have heard that they fire the 7.62×53r but I want to know if I can safley shoot the Russian 7.62×54r is there any difference because I've heard it's safe but I want you're opinion on it and I would greatly appreciate any assistance

use the sling to steady our aim

The bolt sounds a lot smoother than a regular mosin, did they tweak those at all?

@fadefade

6 жыл бұрын

They pretty much disassembled a metric fuckpile of mosins and handpicked parts that fit together better than they originally did.

Are the hex receiver Mosins smooth with their action, or are they also just as bad as war time Mosins?

Maybe they're hard to cycle because the parts have swelled in the non-Finnish-winter heat. They might work better when it's 30 below.

Lol your video saturation is freaking out

I wish they could try my Polish 44. You can work the bolt with just your pinky :/

I have a 1928 Tikka M27 (D marked twice) in a M28 stock marked SYT on the right finger groove (early hinged nose cap). It does not have wings on the matching bolt or the machined slots in the receiver (they stopped this in 33’??). There is no splice in the stock and no SA mark anywhere the barrel or receiver. What gives?

I have a 28/30 engraved import 7.62x53…. The S&B brand 7.62x54R will not chamber. If you used a different brand (PPU?) is that why you had to slap it to lock the bolt down? Perhaps PPU is “friendlier” for feeding. What say you?

Ah, the joys of filming on a live firing range :P

The reloading looks a bit rough but maybe it is just from the age of the gun.

Please tell me that you asked them why they built a bunch on M39s in the 1970s. :)

Something I don’t understand. I have a few mosins. A 1910 Tula, 1917 Rem (both Finn marked) and a beater type 53 Chinese carbine. The Chinese mosin is by far the worst cosmetically yet the smoothest. The Remington feels sticky and the Tula needs to be beaten to work, but that type 53 has only been sticky once after hundreds of rounds. And the trigger is a smooth and even, superior to any other gun I own. Am I missing something, because according to my own personal experiences, the Chinese made type 53 is the finest mosin ever made. Maybe after decades of production everything was finally dialed in? But every video I’ve seen people say the American mosin has the best machining or Finnish mosin is best (despite Karl having to beat them), are other Chinese mosins also this good? Or did I get an above average example?

Would you recommend this over the K31?

@chsims7032

6 жыл бұрын

KILROY _44 To me it's a toss up. I have both a Finnish M39 and K31 and I love both of them. However, for me, I find the slightly wider front sight post on the M39 helps me shoot a bit more accurately. I've gotten groups of just over an inch at 100 yards with the M39 using surplus ball ammo and about 2 inches with the K31 using Swiss 7.5 ammo. The K31 is more accurate than I can shoot it, and I'm sure there are many who hold a differing viewpoint than I and prefer the K31's slimmer front sight post.

Killer info but the white balance shift on this video made me think someone slipped something in my lunch, haha.

I must have a Finish mosin for my collection of mosins.

Chainsaw bayonet when

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

We threw our chainsaw bayonets away after they became popular recently.

beat that bolt like it owed you money!

You could say the Mosin truely... FINNISH-ed... its evolution with the m39

So what that actually the M28/30 belonging to Simo Häyhä?

Was that really the exact rifle Simo used during the Winter war?

Clearly the best Mosin Nagants there are. The one consistency I found about Russian Mosin Nagants is their inconsistency. Finnish Mosin Nagants are totally different. The Mosin Nagant is not always that stiff. When they were newer, you did not have to beat them open, and if you do some restoration to them, they clean up nicely. Mosins do seem to wear in the same way though. They all get stiff bolts over time.

@Gungeek

6 жыл бұрын

get stiff bolts over time? how do you figure?

@Jesses001

6 жыл бұрын

Well it is a product of the design. the SMLE does not do that. The Mouser sometimes does if it goes a long time without maintenance. The Arisaka does not, so it has something to do with the Mosin Nagant.

@Gungeek

6 жыл бұрын

okay :/

Front sights on Finnish Mosin Nagant are nicknamed the Spitz because they resemble the ears of the Spitz dog

FINNISH!!!!!!!!

Cadillac grade garbage rods! All joking aside I’d love to own a Finnish mosin.

Whats the current tikka built Mosin worth today? Fall 2018? KZread opinions people? (Those who havent been banned yet...)

Only inrange could make a mosin video enjoyable without neck beards

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

+ted :)

Perkele bepis :DDdDD Obligatory Finnish shitposting comment, scroll on.

@bdbgh

6 жыл бұрын

:DDDD

@UnclePutte

6 жыл бұрын

bepis :DDDD

@BlackMetalVengeance

6 жыл бұрын

FUGG :DDDD

@ineednochannelyoutube5384

6 жыл бұрын

Leme guess, boiler for sale?

@xmm-cf5eg

6 жыл бұрын

1 finn worb 1 zillion sobiets :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDdd

Was this filmed like literally in between bursts from a machine gun?

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

+Tom Kavulic Yes

What do you guys do to earn a living? Also how much of the money you spent on going to Finland is funded by Patreon? It's something I'm interested in knowing, Cheers!

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

The Finland trip was funded by Patreon support. ~K

Surprising lack of russian propaganda trolls

look how smooth that bolt is!! it loads a round like your trying to jam an 800 pound American into a smart car LOL

If that is a Fiskar's bayonet.. it is worth more than the rifle.

Doesn't matter how much work you put into it, a Mosin still cycles like a Mosin, CHUNKY.

@Gungeek

6 жыл бұрын

what does that even mean lol?

@poop-for-brains

6 жыл бұрын

The opposite of smooth? Duh.

@Gungeek

6 жыл бұрын

there are lots of smooth mosins around.

@poop-for-brains

6 жыл бұрын

By comparison to most other bolt guns, not really.

@poop-for-brains

6 жыл бұрын

Don't get me wrong, I love a Mosin. They just are what they are, cheap and old.

0:59

No you're not here today, it's winter

It looks like this was a nightmare to film and edit around the gunfire

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

It was.

Mosins, not very good, but still fun

Ain't no Mosin like a Finnish Mosin.

My Mosin doesn't have the sticky bolt. I got lucky I guess.

LEAVE THE MOSIN ALONE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL JUST THE WAY IT IS. I like my M39, too.

A mauser actioned Nagant has to be built

They re-Finnished the rifles.

@npc-ej5yz

5 жыл бұрын

Egzit Woond i see what ya did there...ha

For some reason Ian looks really Finnish to me....and I've never even been to Finland

dam its tough being a south paw - then again if Karl keeps bashing his hand when working the bolt he might have to resort to shooting lefty style as well.

Well russian doctrine was always "good enough when in huge numbers". I believe it's slowly changing, at least in the armored vehicle sector with the new Armata platform.

@leevin7546

6 жыл бұрын

Han Yolo Like a dozen armatas exist and you gonna call it a change?

@exploatores

6 жыл бұрын

they have change to almost up to date when it comes to armored vehicles. but make it up to be a gamechanger. they have finaly come up with the tought that having fuel, shells and pepole in the same place isn´t a good idea.

@FirstMetalHamster

6 жыл бұрын

Expensive development of a new armored platform, with alot higher unit cost and (alleged) protection than before. How is that not a slow change from throwing "combat value" addons onto the T72B? I didn't say it has already completely changed, I said "I believe it's slowly changing".

You skipped the M28. You were really fighting that 28-30. While I'm no Mosin fanboy, and certainly don't have a lot of experience with a lot of different Mosin pattern rifles. My M28 gives me no trouble in cycling.

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

We have already received nearly endless comments about people's personal Mosin's being better than these. I suspect we'll receive those on this video until the end of time. :)

@quistan2

6 жыл бұрын

Lol, Im not trying to cause trouble, I just cant help but think there is some mechanical issue with it, (ad joke here about Mosin's *being* a mechanical issue) When I started doing reloads for my M28 since it had a .308 bore, the man that helped me get set up for reloading advised me to seat the bullet to the cannelure and mentioned nothing about the maximum overall length. This fudge caused major excessive pressure and a sticky bolt , once I learned more and took the reloading into my own hands, my rifle cycles quite nicely. I highly doubt this was the issue you were having, however if the 28-30 had a .308 bore and it certainly could have, and you were using .311 ammo, that could very well been the issue, If I try to put Russian ammo in my rifle thats about how hard it closes.

@quistan2

6 жыл бұрын

Not as any sort of refutation, but more as a show and tell. I haven't uploaded anything in years but I took this short vid of me earlier this year shooting my M28. Just uploaded now kzread.info/dash/bejne/d6Km0sptl8XVfso.html

Simo; the best single maker of good communists

@alkestos

3 жыл бұрын

Dude. That's grim. I like it.

I was used of better research made by Ian on his other discussions. A lot of important info are missing about these excellent rifles. Also, what I've heard is not "all" correct. As for "Simo's" rifle ... Ha Ha Ha! Why not talking about the "very genuine horse saddle pad of General Custer" !?! Simo used during the 93 (or so) days he fought during the Winter War with is own (personal purchase) 28/30, serial number 60974. It got lost in Kollaa when he got shot. He was offered a m/28 by Colonel Anterro Svensson as recognition. Simo also used a kP/-31 SMG and was proficient in using a Lahti LS/26 LMG (he won contests, pre-war, with the LS/26). The M28/30 has an aluminium barrel jacket at the stock fore end, and a reinforced bayonet fixture. Also, the "Lottas" M/24 are not presented.

Slap slap slap slap goes the bolt

cold... warm.. cold... warm... cold...

Gotta Shmack the bolt! Ha!

One of the most interesting models and one of the models most people often forget were the finnish m91/30's with tikka barrels in 1943 until 1944. Why did they make them? They already had m39's and they were producing the M91 for there troops so why would they start making another model? The only real russian m91/30 piece on them is the rear sight but having a lot of m91/30 rear sights isn't really a good reason to build a whole new rifle. Why not just put m91/30 sights on m91's that they were producing at the same time? Or just quit building m91 barrels and start building only m91/30 barrels

@B52Stratofortress1

5 жыл бұрын

Finland had been reworking and issuing out M91/30s for the whole war, putting new stocks on and such. Production of new barrels I assume was the next logical step. I believe M91 production was to cease once 91/30 was well underway. A more interesting question is why all Finnish Mosin replacement stocks for all variants made after 1940 didn't have the M39 style semi pistol grip. It would have taken nothing to do

Guy's I cannot believe you have done all these video's about Finnish guns and yet the only mention of Simo Hayha is briefly as you shoulder the same model of Mosin he used. Come on guys do a video about Simo so that his incredible story can be spread further afield.

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

Considering that people mention Simo on nearly every video we do, regardless of the content, it seems likely that his story is fairly well known at this point.

@Mr037rally

6 жыл бұрын

Haha, I know that, but I just wanted to see Karl tell the story as I loved the videos he did of the Wild West like the Curly Bill Brocious story.

I have to agree that the Mosin is not the most refined rifle ever designed, but it does work when asked to. I've found that a bit of grease on the cocking cams in the bolt goes a very long way to making the action cycle smoothly. It's not Lee-Enfield smooth and never will be, but it usually results in smoothness comparable to my M48 Yugo Mauser, which is good enough to use and not need any sort of strong-arming to operate.

i like Karl's "bitch slap" the bolt technique for Mosin-Nagants

One of Simo Häyhäs rifles is located in Boden, Sweden if anyone is curious. I´ve cleaned it myself along time ago. Contact me if you want more info.

There's a noticeable increase of jumpcuts in this video compared to most of your other content. Gets a bit disorienting.

@InrangeTv

6 жыл бұрын

It was unavoidable due to loud gun fire. The jump cuts were better than inaudible dialogue or "RIP ears" comments.

The finns didn't improve anything really. They made the barrel to use .308 bullets. Changed the front and rear sight, and worked the triggers ( the only really improvment compared to a generic 91/30) None the less mosins still beats mausers in all the aspects. I have owned one k98k mauser and traded for 2 m91/30s. Best thing ever I ever traded. I now own 11 mosin nagants. ( Iwonder who I offended)

@Gungeek

6 жыл бұрын

:)

@npc-ej5yz

5 жыл бұрын

Sarcasm?