If you're interested in seeing how well (or otherwise) the nVidia Kepler equivalent performs over time, check out Hardware Lab's video comparing it to the R9 290X: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3Z_rbRto9rJdag.html

@brokeandtired

Жыл бұрын

Vulcan was the best AMD feature. So much better than Open GL or Direct X.

@deagt3388

Жыл бұрын

Odd 'Doom' results.. ;-)

@George_K.

Жыл бұрын

Well I'm interested in seeing why you tested Doom in OpenGL instead of Vulcan and what's up with the selection of tests - this card was rehashed for the R9 300 series and was AMD's top card until Vega 64 came out late 2017 (excluding the weird Fury). If I were you I'd test at the very least 2 titles from each year from 2012 to 2017 included. Idk how you're able to draw any definitive conclusion based on 8 tests, one of which is bogus and the other is there just to mark the end of improvements. That's only 6 valid tests, man. If you're up for suggestions some really big titles came out in 2012 and 2013 like Mass Effect 3, Borderlands 2, Dishonored, Hitman: Absolution, Max Payne 3, Darksiders 2, Assassin's Creed Black Flag, Metro Last Light, Crysis 3, Tomb Raider (reboot), Batman: Arkham Origins. From 2014 and 2015 it's: Far Cry 4, Dragon Age: Inquisition, Alien Isolation, Fallout 4, The Witcher 3, Metal Gear Solid 5. These are a big chunk of the AAA titles that pushed graphics at the time, the main reason you'd get one of these cards and it only makes sense you test some of those. Other way less known titles who are still visually impressive (for their time) are Dear Esther (2012) and The Vanishing of Ethan Carter (2014). Those additional 10% AMD added to the 290X's performance in the following few years after its release meant the card itself is significantly better than the 780 and 780Ti, whose performance aged quickly especially after the 900 series took off. From what I've gathered the 600 and 700 cards had some quirks that devs had to work around, but that wasn't kept up once games started coming out after Maxwell launch.

i find it pretty impressive that its possible getting 5-10 percent faster performance just by driver optimization

@RazielXT

Жыл бұрын

Well driver is just another software, just like games it can run fast or slow

@potatoes5829

Жыл бұрын

intel arc:

@eliasroflchopper3006

Жыл бұрын

@@potatoes5829 that doesn't count if their drivers were abysmal to begin with.

@michaelzomsuv3631

10 ай бұрын

5-10% is nothing. Look at the first performance comparisons between Mantle and DirectX, Mantle would get upwards of 50% more performance for no other reason than driver optimization.

I'd say the fine wine aspect is more about how the cards age compared to similar offerings from nvidia at the time. If you picked up an r9 390x instead of a gtx 970 you are probably having a better time running modern games partially because of drivers getting better but also because nvidia doesn't put as much effort into helping developers optimize for old cards vs new and don't prioritize old card driver development. The performance gap between the two is surely larger today than it was back when those cards came out. TBH the additional vram is probably more important than the drivers in many cases so that is a part of it all too.

@wertywerrtyson5529

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and 970 still is a fairly modern architecture that gets updates. It is even worse for nvidia if you compare 780 and 290.

@nathanacreman632

Жыл бұрын

@@wertywerrtyson5529 Oddly enough both the 780 and 970 run on the same Maxwell Architecture believe it or not.

@wertywerrtyson5529

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanacreman632 I think you are thinking of 750 and 750ti that uses first generation maxwell and the 900 series use second gen. However 780 and the other 700 series uses Kepler just like the 600 series. In fact 770 is just the 680 overclocked and 780 Ti is the full sized die of kepler that nvidia could have released with the 600 series but didn’t need to as Radeon 6000 series was so weak.

@thedandyp

Жыл бұрын

@@nathanacreman632 Isn't the GTX 780 Kepler based?

@SterkeYerke5555

Жыл бұрын

@@wertywerrtyson5529 The 600-series were a competitor to the HD 7000 series though, which tbf wasn't weak at all. That said, Kepler definitely had more to give at that point as seen in the 780 Ti and the Titan

The only time I was honestly shocked by a claimed performance improvement was Vulkan mode for Doom 2016. My 390X went from about 90-105 fps on mostly max setting to 140-150 fps on ultra nightmare settings. It made me a huge believer in Vulkan.

@IcebergTech

Жыл бұрын

Yes, Vulkan scored 50% higher on the newer drivers than OpenGL. I didn’t mention it in the video because I couldn’t get Vulkan to start when using the 2016 drivers.

@michawhite7613

Жыл бұрын

Something similar happened for me on a 2D game engine I've been working on. OpenGL is designed to be easy to program for, but not performant. It does a lot of work on the CPU, and that work is often single-threaded. Vulkan is able to get more use out of the GPU, and the little bit of work that's still on the CPU is multithreaded.

@kloroformd

Жыл бұрын

@@IcebergTech infinity% improvement FineWine™ 4 lyf

@GTFour

Жыл бұрын

@@IcebergTech that’s a pretty important point about newer driver tbh

One of the few channels I’ll watch on my non-adblocked devices due to your unique addition to the space, keep it up Ice! The irony now is that Polaris is having issues in Forspoken, yet Maxwell is running perfectly fine, and it’s all due to feature support. It’s kind of amazing how fine wine kinda got cut at the knees last year, with the end of official driver support for cards newer than what Nvidia supports.

@psychosis1767

10 күн бұрын

To be fair, KZread has revealed that they don't really give much to the creators themselves and are still happy to show ads on demonetized videos.

Running my hd7950 for almost 10 years fine wine was always about games stability and driver updates adding features. I played a lot of battlefield 5 and Andromeda and was surprised the card ran newer games so well.

Got one dirt cheap last year cause it was overheating ( new paste and a good clean was all it needed) and I was surprised how solid it still was. Ended up giving it to a friend for who’s purposes it’s more than capable. She’s been chuffed with it.

@eee1200

Жыл бұрын

I wonder why that guy didn't cleaned and pasted first? maybe he has a new one

@officiallunatic01

Жыл бұрын

@@eee1200 I don’t think the guy selling it had it in his rig, got the impression he’d just thrown it in a system to test before selling and had noticed temp issues. I think it was more a case of he couldn’t be arsed to clean it up so sold it for just under half the average going price. Facebook market place is great for little deals like that if you’re patient, at least here in the uk.

@GTFour

Жыл бұрын

@@officiallunatic01 man my local U.K. FB marketplace is garbage, nothing but absurdly overpriced pc components if any

4:40 NimeZ drivers weren't able to backport the OpenGL or DX10/11 rewrites to pre-GCN4 GPUs.

@IcebergTech

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info!

I love your style of videos! Every intro sounds like a start of a investigation movie of some kind. Awesome stuff man!

@adolfo777nica

Жыл бұрын

I disagree it comes off as lazy his content isn't the best

@vator_rs

Жыл бұрын

@@adolfo777nica welp, there's not many people who review a 10 year old GPU and show how it does nowadays. I think that's good enough and interesting to see, since a lot of people still do use these types of GPUs, or are looking to upgrade to one. And regarding the intro, I mean hardware unboxed intro is pretty cool as well, I like how they welcome "me" every time the video starts.

I think it depends on what you mean by fine wine. In this case you compare how it does against itself. I’ve seen other comparisons between nvidia and AMD where AMD start off slower than the nvidia counterpart but gets better in comparison to nvidia in later titles. Not sure if that is fine wine or just nvidia aging poorly but at least some nvidia architectures have aged very bad like Kepler. Thanks for the benchmarking. It was interesting to see and it was less improvements than I thought.

impressive job, buddy. sounds like it was A LOT of work! thank you!

Love this video. I don’t see really anyone else doing this.

I don't think the "fine wine" improvements ever existed. But what has always been the case is that AMD provided gamers with a card that punched above it's weight and didn't cost the earth (with few exceptions). Those later R9, then RX 400 and 500 cards provide excellent performance on most 1080 games... even to this day. My son is rocking an RX 470 and he's playing everything from Fall Guys to "I am fish" and a million things in between. What I actually think is that the perception of value for money and longevity have been the biggest factor. When NVidia overcharged for cards and then only gave them 2GB, 3GB, 6GB levels of memory when AMD would sport 4GB and 8GB... that played into the "longer lasting" factor. So it's not so much the cards do well by themselves, is that they do well compared to NVidia cards of the era at a similar price point. So when the R9 290x came out it had 4GB of ram and cost $549. A month later NVidia launched the GTX 780ti which cost $699 and sported only 3GB of ram. And it's this that gives AMD such good graces to it's customers.

God I can't wait for your channel to grow

@IcebergTech

Жыл бұрын

You and me both...

Another thing take makes the AMD cards last longer is that they usually put more VRAM in their graphics cards, so when time goes on and the games start using more VRAM Radeon cards get more performance

@TheAcabae

Жыл бұрын

8gb vram was there in 2014 while Nvidia Top at 6gb with ist Titan Lineup. Today, we see that 8gb is a new 4gb vram.

@MD_il_microcanale

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheAcabae On the superposition test, my 4gb r9 290x tri-x regularly beats the 6gb titan of that era. in all settings including 4k of the test.

Nicely done :)

you are a legend, 4 R9 290x! I only have 2! This video card is a true legend!

My first Great gpu amazing seeing what it Can still do!

is there gonna be a video like this but for the 1080 ti in plans? like its still one of the most beloved cards as it can still trade blows with modern GPUs

Fine Wine is that the games continue to play well (newer titles). On a GTX 980, good luck. The architecture was very wide so as newer titles used more shaders in flight at any given time, the GCN based cards could handle the extra load. The nVIDIA cards, however, cannot. They tank in performance. Kepler being the best example of this. AMD no longer architects cards in this manner though. AMDs RDNA cards aren't nearly as wide and instead of focussing on many parallel shaders in flight (wide as a means of masking latency), they now focus on lower latency and executing fewer shaders, but longer and more complex shaders, quicker (like nVIDIA). Think of it as GCN running best when long shaders are broken into several shorter ones and run in parrallel. RDNA/nVIDIA running best when shorter shaders are all merged into one long shader and run at a higher clock rate. So GCN didn't scale well clock wise, sacrificing this, in the pursuit of more parallelism. Newer titles not only run long shaders, but they run more of them in parallel than in older titles. So GCN still takes a hit, but not as bas of a hit as Maxwell, Kepler, and others as GCN can still run several long shaders in parallel whereas Maxwell, Kepler and others require more passes and more flushing of the shaders. An analogy would be that the job requires two pipes and Maxwell/Kepler only have a single pipe whereas GCN has two pipes. So Maxwell/Kepler can only send water down a single pipe at any given time even if they have multiple water sources. GCN can send water down two pipes at any given time thus servicing two water sources at once. Maxwell/Kepler have a higher flow rate but not twice as much water ends up spilling on the other end of its pipe. GCN has a lower flowrate when looking at each individual pipe but the combined flowrate is higher than that of Kepler/Maxwell's pipe. So as newer titles come out, they use more shaders for increased visuals and AMD GCN seems to handle that much better than Kepler, Maxwell, and others. I don't think we'll be seeing "Finewine" with RDNA. This was done on purpose by AMD through their relationship with console makers. Console games were architected to be more parallel. nVIDIA would sponsor their PC versions in order to change this and tweak this specific titles towards nVIDIA's architecture. nVIDIA couldn't pay off everyone though. Over time, nVIDIA's architectural flaws are always exposed. Cards once though to be "compute monsters" are not at all. Whereas a Radeon VII is still, even today, a compute monster.

@MD_il_microcanale

Жыл бұрын

Hi, I read everything with great interest. I wanted to know: is this why my r9 290x tri-x, despite having only 4gb of vram, is better than a 6gb titan of the time in the superposition test even in 4k? I play many recent titles with my r9 290x, and these often take up more than the available 4gb of vram, but there is no stuttering. Does this mean that the 512-bit bus also helps with that? In the NFS heat game everything at ultra takes up more than 4gb of vram, but no stuttering, for example. Metro exodus preset just below the maximum available, always stable 60 fps, always much more than 4gb of vram used! I'm starting to think I have a magic video card!

Great video as always | I wonder if you could also compare single 290x vs crossfire with the same drivers in supported games ?

Interesting to see the year-by-year comparison. Nice job. I know you said in your end of year review you didn't intend re-doing a Tahiti card any time soon, but I would be quite interested if you found one of the 6 GB HD 7970s to review - see if double the RAM can produce some performance increases that the ordinary versions of the card are hobbled by. I can't see any decent recent assessments of those rare-ish cards so it might be interesting to do. [Note: self interest - I've found one locally at a reasonable price [NZ$150/GBP75-ish], and am waiting for it to arrive; I'm interested in having it for the FP64 Compute performance rather than gaming so don't have the resources to play around with it in that sort of way]

Underrated youtuber.

HAHAHAHAHA love the way you dodged the nicest number at 3:27 by saying it in french. Hats off for the pronunciation!

Oh hell yeah another Iceberg video

I wonder how these same tests would fare on linux with the mesa drivers?

yo whats the background music?

Hi, can you test Outlast trials with r9 290x?

Would you be able to get ahold of an R9 295X2 for testing?

4th in 2 years? Ah, a man after my own heart! I'm on number 3!

can you please test the ryzen 3 1300x?

When you get views in 6 hours than I do in a month 😂 really pleased to see the channel grow mate 🙏🏼

@IcebergTech

Жыл бұрын

Ehhh. It might look good from the outside, but this one is a 6/10 at the moment and I'm actually a bit disappointed in myself.

You have to make a video on the r9 295x2 it would be very interesting to see.

1) True, The final terascale driver (year 2015) runs better in some games compared to the final legacy 21.5.2 drivers. 2) why doom is running with a yellow tint? 3) did you manage to run gcn 1 (hd 7950) or gcn 2 (r7 260x) on plague tale requiem? Mine kicked to desktop after the asobo logo. 4) I am rather unlucky with big gcn cards, having a failed r9 270 and HD 7950. The bigger they are the easier they spoil?

it's possible that the gains may have been muted by being on a lightning fast CPU of the time as opposed to a quad core 2500k as was common at the time. Either way the gains were there! Why didn't you test Doom in Vulkan?

@IcebergTech

Жыл бұрын

I did, or at least I tried to. The 2016 driver wouldn't run Doom in Vulkan, just kept dropping to 6 FPS in the menu before crashing out. The 2022 driver recorded about 150 FPS in Vulkan, but that doesn't mean much without a 2016 score to compare it to!

@livingthedream915

Жыл бұрын

@@IcebergTech I agree! thanks for the explanation!

I know but that the 290x is faster than 1080gtx with async shaders on in DooM. Just i dont remember how to activate that.

I was hoping your second run with soixant-neuf would have inspired you to utter it in German. I'd have laughed six times! (Auf Deutsch). Seems I've been sipping that fine wine a bit excessively, so before I see myself out, just had to say, really enjoyed the video. Your results are in line with what I recall too; nothing earth-shattering, but small and steady improvement akin to modest overclocks, without having to overclock.

@IcebergTech

Жыл бұрын

I guess I'll have to work on my German pronunciation!

What about Vulcan and "Fine wine"?

As someone buying gpu's since the 90's... 290X is really a legend. 7970 Is pretty much equal to it. Rare that we'll get cards like this again.

@hardware_maniac

Жыл бұрын

I believe that you are a bit mistaken. R9 280x is a rebranded hd 7970.

@solocamo3654

Жыл бұрын

@@hardware_maniac I meant equal to it in the sense of it being a legendary card.

@hardware_maniac

Жыл бұрын

@@solocamo3654 oh, my bad. In this regard I completely agree, both these cards (x and non x variants) are legends.

hi iceberg tech and everyone else!

Its impressive that you can actually gain performance just via drivers, even if its just 5 - 10 percent

Nvidia 750ti = _Real Finewine_ Still get update to this day

The GT 710 came out after the R9 290x and that has undeniably aged like fine wine. New GT 710 video incoming?

You got yourself an R9 Fury X didnt you!? Or an Vega 64?

I have a 7900xtx right now and drivers are well not amazing right now. Im excited to see how the drivers get better in the future or maybe in some cases perhaps worse. Since I have a 5700x I can't really do any performance numbers right now I plan on getting a 7800x3D in the future. I'm also hoping that AMD don't just kill this cards drivers in 5 years that would be pretty sad.

I'd also like to know the fine wine aspect as it pertains to the RX 480, because I was looking at GPUs at the time and heard everyone talk about the RX480 being better as a long term investment than a GTX 1060

@Vfl666

Жыл бұрын

Before Foropken came out this was true but not anymore.

Finewine is just another way to look at AMD's prowess in driver development.

SIXTY NINE, NICE!

I have the GPU! :D Should I clean it and change the thermal paste?

@takehirolol5962

Жыл бұрын

Yes!

Why is your doom yellow?

Fun Fact: The HD 7750 ($110 - 2012) is faster than a GTX Titan Black ($1000 - 2014) in Doom Eternal. It's not really Fine WIne it's more nVspoiled nVmilk.

The OGL performance Is very interesting, maybe you could look into that, test some other OGL games

I thought a part of the fine wine idea was how the early GCN card aged relative to there NVIDIA counterparts

In my experience graphics cards age like cottage cheese that got left out in the sun

I think it has to do with the cpus ie what we call fine wine on amd gpus. With faster cpus u get more perf especially with gcn. I remember when I tested mine v56 tuned to the roof with an i7 3770k and had sever stutters and per regressions compared to when the gpu was used on an 3700x for instance. I know that HUB tested the new rdna gpus and now it looks like it is the otherway round but gcn was a more compute heavy u-arch design with lots of shaders(at that time) and in the good old days the cpus were not as fast as today when people do comparisons between older amd vs nvidia on newer platforms which probably is why amd gains some ground that AMD fans calls for AMD FineWine.

Now do this same exact test for the nvidia equivalent of the time w/c is the gtx 780ti.

i still call it a win, though the gains are within 7-10%, at best it is almost another step up comparing GPU same era as the R9 290x

I had an XFX 290x and it was my first card I ran 4k. It was a great card, but it ran way too hot and loud. It eventually died on me because I put a aftermarket cooler on it and tightened it too hard.

Crossfire the 4 R9 290Xs for a crossfire retrospective

More VRAM at the same price point is the hardware side of fine wine. Used to have an RTX 3070 8GB but switched to an AMD 6700XT which was a downgrade at the time but will prove to have been the better decision in the long term. Really wanted the 6800 but in late 2022, it was still hard to find one at a decent price

Great idea. Ha can check if Nvidia nerf it's drivers too :)

I had a 290X on release. The point of fine wine was that the 780 ti came out and beat the 290x by around 3-5% (sometimes more depending on game engine) but by the time the 390X came out which was a 290x with no 4GB version the 290X was beating the 780ti in almost every game and it only got worse from then on. Nvidias lack of driver support and AMDs ability to get 5-10% more out of the card is fine wine. Also lol at testing Doom in openGL

Fine Wine is a myth, those cards were just blazing fast so they lasted for years to come, same goes for HD 7970 which at the time of its release (2011) was a total overkill and in like 2016 was on par with budget/performance parts so people could still enjoy high detail 1080p gaming on it.

should do videos on these old gpus in linux. they often have more up to date drivers since theyre open source with the amdgpu drivers. and therefore play the newest games where they wont even boot in windows often enough.

id say they also fixed game crashing bugs during that time

7970 was the true fine wine technology

Try 390X vs Titan Black or R9 290 vs 780 see how bad Kepler is doing vs GCN. Then 980ti vs Fury X Max OC of course..

Fine wine would be MESA, Windows GPU drivers space doesn't get the same attention as in Linux, and since MESA is the dominant graphical library in Linux, it sees a lot of features baked into it on a regular basis, including support for older GPUs like the HD 6xxx and 7xxx series to this day, which is hella impressive.

I remember the issue wasn't so much as more performance from the drivers, but reducing driver overhead (GCN was highly derpy here) It MAY be different if you had a weaker CPU but... who really cares anymore (I ran 7850, 7970, R9 280X, R9 290X for 4 years in total)

@RottenMuLoT

7 ай бұрын

This ^ thus the apparition of the Vulkan API formerly known as Mantle. And boom, that overhead incured by DX11 games went through the window.

Had a R9 390 + 3570k combo up until 2020, upgraded to 5900x + 3080 anticipating cyberpunk and what a let down that was. Should have kept it, ran the games i usually play just fine

Back in 2019 I was using a 1050 Ti, which was a lot more recent card, and this old flagship card still managed to kick its ass so casually :D I suppose it's not really about the drivers adding FPS, it's more of a "learning the architecture" as they go and that is something Nvidia is a lot better at, you rarely see a driver update doing any boost to a card.

@zalankhan5743

Жыл бұрын

Yeah you needed like a 1060 3g to match it

@bulutcagdas1071

Жыл бұрын

@@zalankhan5743 I upgraded to an RX6600 on that old rig, seems pretty good at the moment. Although I can feel the CPU bottlenecking the RX6600 in newer games. The DDR3 probably doesn't help either :D

@zalankhan5743

Жыл бұрын

@@bulutcagdas1071 which Cpu do you have. The 6600 is a good enough card for 1080p gaming. I have a 5600xt which is similar to the 6600

@bulutcagdas1071

Жыл бұрын

@@zalankhan5743 It's an i7-4790 from 2014. The problem is that I got the non K version so I can't overclock it, and even if I were to overclock it the added cost of getting a decent cooler plus the increased electricity bills doesn't make a compelling argument for it anyway. There really hasn't been a game that I wasn't able to play that I threw at the PC, but you can definitely feel the limitations of the old platform. There is no NVME support for those CPU's so you are stuck with SATA SSD's and getting second hand high speed DDR3 is almost as expensive as getting new DDR5. Hunt Showdown has been a particularly painful one for me to run, as soon as any asset streaming is performed by the CPU I can see the performance tanking wildly, the game drops from around 90 FPS to 50 FPS and then shoots back up. This happens no matter what the resolution or graphics settings are. But more traditional singe player titles are absolutely fine, had Elden Ring running at a mostly stable 60 on high settings.

@zalankhan5743

Жыл бұрын

@@bulutcagdas1071 yeah I get it. I Had a 3770 till last year. One Advice I can give you is that if you have the Budget, Buy a Used R5 2600 with a b450. Should cost around 100-120$ and ddr3 16g 3200 should be about 30-45$. Due to Am4 you can then Easily upgrade to a 5600 and then a 5800x3d If you have the Money Later. But 2600 or even a 1600Af should be Enough for the 6600 to not bottleneck it.

I said the same about the rx 400 and 500 before Forspoken came out doesn't work anymore under Windows.

The reason people claim FineWine is real is because it meant that a 200 USD AMD GPU priced next to a 200 USD Nvidia GPU, would age better than the Nvidia GPU. That is what it meant. That is the original meaning. It was never about a weak AMD GPU beating a much better NV GPU. It was about near peer class GPUs and one aging better than the other over time.

Regular WINE(proton) is what I use to run my games!

The RX6000 series of AMD was much the same. Shipped before the drivers were fully developed.

Lezzat M D

3:28 soixante-neuf 😂

If I recall correctly, nVidia cards had their hardware timer bound to the CPU, hence better CPU, better GPU performance. Whereas AMD cards had their own hardware timers in the GPU itself. So on lower specced machines, the AMD would give a general better experience overall, which was more noticeable amongst the budget crowd, because the cards weren't as easily bottlenecked by the rest of the system as the competitor. Either that or it's a placebo effect.

You should try this card on Steam OS.

fw is not about that. Compared to the geforce cards of the time, it has aged better in comparison.

4:43 Why not test with other APIs, specifically Vulkan which is based off of Mantle which was heavily marketed at the time the 290x released? This is such a wasted opportunity to see if Fine Wine is a thing with more AMD optimised APIs.

"Fine wine" aka "our drivers are shit and it will take literal years for us to achieve this gpus full potential

i think fine wine was more about u gpu still working for games and not losing performance

At least GCN aged way better than Nvidia's Kepler for example.

@IcebergTech

Жыл бұрын

Yes, someone I know made a video about GCN 2 vs. Kepler. I did some VO work on the video, so I tend to share it around a lot 😎 kzread.info/dash/bejne/q3Z_rbRto9rJdag.html

05:35 You accidentally used the charts from Shadow of Mordor...Mistake aside, good work...but I don't think FineWine can be judged based on a dozen games alone. This is one of those topics that requires DOZENS of games at least (and maybe several GPUs) before a conclusion can be reached. Personally, I find AMD's drivers satisfactory. I can still remember in 2015 when I still had a GTX 660 how the then latest drivers downgraded performance in CS:GO when using CSAA (And I was lucky, newer cards didn't even support that method anymore!). I was getting stutters suddenly and since Adaptive VSync wasn't a refined feature back then, it was either a stuttery 60FPS, or an uncapped framerate with tearing. Add to that GSync being super expensive and a year later I switched to Radeon and a Freesync monitor. Never looked back since. Never had such issues either, though curiously in my experience Polaris was ALWAYS more stable under Windows 7 than 10, at least during browsing (games were always fine). P.S. Just call 69 the magical number. Your French is not bad, but not everyone is familiar with it :D P.P.S. The closer the minimums are to 60 (SoTR) the better. 54 to 58 can be transformative. I actually chose to play that game on my 720P TV just for a consistent experience on my RX 580 4GB. I was also able to increase detail, the game looks marvelous with HBAO+. On my 1080P monitor by contrast, it could only deliver an inconsistent 50! with the same details.

How to discourage driver engineers from doing their jobs 101

"So i saw nerf" huh.

Beer worked good as well just emf some patterns sizzle and taste. nitro did it first

Fine wine is really a two part thing. 1 games gained fps and stability. 2 in titles and lost previously to Nvidia they now a year or two later would win. This is especially true for Kepler or Maxwell 1

Sadly AMD"s Fine wine pretty much turns into Sour grapes with its early driver support abandonment. Decent gains from early to late release drivers. Thanks for the excellent video Iceberg!

Finewine is a myth, their second cards are rebrand/rebadge. Literally the HD7970 w/o GHZ edition is literally just R9 280/X and later R9 380. This is why driver 'improvements' on one card, suddenly, the rest gets it, because they are of the same architecture, albeit from the different VCE SIP.

Mhm. Fine wine turned into vinegar overnight. Thanks amd.

gcn cards are better in modern API's thanks to less cpu overhead, also more vram helps

More then Just frames if they had been those drivers at launch nvidia wouldn’t of stood a chance

swas what ?

I will now say 69 in french from now on

since AMD moved to RDNA, they no longer support good old GCN anymore.

Hey, that's not fair! This cynic sais that AMD marketing team saw this happy coincidence and ran with it! In my experience, early drivers for a new architecture are a mess. Two years down the line and they are already well sorted. With zero day game ready updates, we get to some seriously diminishing returns from new ones. No gain in fixing what ain't broken.

I hate the whole "fine wine" terminology. The reality is that AMD usually just gives you MORE graphics card for the money, but they usually don't have the driver perfectly optimised out the gate. Nvidia give you the bare minimum (particularly with VRAM) to look good on day-one reviews and then don't give a shit beyond that.

is hard to test, even because, games have numeros updates, gta5 at release is not the same gta5 in 2023, and amd cards have more vram. This i think is the main reson for fine wine, amd card age better because vram.