✔️FINALLY! .22 LR Specifically for Self Defense - Federal Punch (.22 LR Flat Nose VS .38 SPL LSWC)
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Testing out the Federal Punch ammunition in .22 Long Rifle, and comparing it to .38 Special. The reason to compare such rounds is that both a small .38/.357 pocket (snub nose) revolver can fill the same role as a .22 LR pocket pistol. The Federal Punch .22 LR is a 29 gr flat nose bullet with an advertised velocity of 1,080 FPS from a 2" barrel (previously listed as 1,070 FPS), and I am testing through my 2.4" Beretta Bobcat 21A. The .38 Special is a 158 gr LSWC bullet that is my own hand load (4.5 gr Universal) and I am testing that through my 2" Taurus 605. Testing by shooting into 10% Clear Ballistics and also doing a 25 yard accuracy drill. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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So I wanted to mention that Caldwell's light system is not very good. This is the second one I have had because the original quit working and Caldwell replaced it, now the replacement does not work. After some investigation by messing with all of it, basically the on/off switches are faulty. I just direct wired around the switch and they work fine, you just have to unplug the power unit rather than turn it off. If you happen to have two power units you could just use one per light bar too if you wanted to not do any wire cutting. I got it working and on a different video (The Argument is OVER! 💩9mm Does NOT and CANNOT Rival 💣.357 Magnum! (😔Even with 9mm +P+😪) I had issues at first with test reads that day, THEN I hooked up the lights I spliced together and had no misreads in that video. I hope this info might help someone.
@danieljones3683
3 жыл бұрын
I have the same chronograph. It is definitely very light sensitive especially with smaller projectiles. With the lights it usually works pretty well.
@fredmiller4110
2 жыл бұрын
You should compare punch vs. cci stinger in gel so everyone can see that punch is not worth the premium price you pay when the box says self defense. Stingers will give same penetration with more expansion and cost less. Nuff said.
@craigfinley2507
Жыл бұрын
What is semi wadcutter the difference between full waddcuter
@nomorerainbows
Жыл бұрын
@@fredmiller4110 that is untrue.
@nomorerainbows
Жыл бұрын
9mm better. 357 is boomer fudd nonsense. 🤣
Remember folks A wise man once said a hit with a 22 is always better than a Miss with a 44
@halweiss8671
3 жыл бұрын
Do two hits with a 22 equal one with a 44?
@tbjtbj4786
3 жыл бұрын
Yes a hit with anything better than nothing. But it make sense to us a caliber in-between the 2 extremes. To give you the best chance for a hit and hopefully give you a good chance to stop your attacker.
@craigcook1571
3 жыл бұрын
@James D, and Hal Weiss.................just don’t miss with the .44🤷🏻♂️ Lol just kidding
@tbjtbj4786
3 жыл бұрын
@@craigcook1571 not bad advice. I actually carry a little 5 shot subnosed 44. If its got mag. Ammo in it its the 180gr full power federal or winchester in it. I do often carry with specials in it luckily the 200 gr silver tip hp hits to the same point at 15 yds. I really don't recommend the mags for most people. It takes a lot of time to get ustp it out of a carry gun. But for me I used it. Because I more than likely to need it for hogs or coyotes.
@craigcook1571
3 жыл бұрын
@@tbjtbj4786 👍🏻
This is basically my edc rig. Only a ruger lcp 2 22lr loaded with the federal punch. Not because im crippled up, or recoil sensitive. It is so compact i can carry it with zero changes to anything i did before i carried every day, i had to make it reliable but thats another story, it is reliable, and i can hit with it. Seeing this test confirmed what ive thought all along. The 22 is grossly underestimated by most. Are there more capable cartridges out there? Yes, almost all of them. Will this fit alot of peoples needs and allow them to have tools on their person to defend themselves if need be? Yes. I have caught so much crap for being a big burly man with a mouse gun in my pocket i am might near surgical with, from my friends with their 45’s, 357’s, 9mm’s in the glove box of their truck or 5 hours away in their nightstand. It blows my mind. Sure its not macho or even beastly, but ive never seen anyone shot by one having a good day, or doing too much of anything other than seeking medical treatment, or taking the environmental temperature challenge.
@Mister-sm1hs
3 ай бұрын
What did you do to get it running punch ok??
Couple of things Sam 1.) I and many others really appreciate the time and effort you put into these productions - not everyone, but I suspect a lot of people realize the work involved in making these videos, and that isn't even including the cost or the time. It is a LOT of work to put out quality content such as what you do. 2.) I know it has to be very frustrating, but I hate to see you get defensive over the chronograph. Folks seem to expect a "Hollywood" version of everything. One of the best parts about your videos are when things don't go as planned - seems more real and honest to me. And, maybe I am being naive here, but those that choose to point those things out are (hopefully) just trying to help. Thanks for what you do Sam, and especially HOW you do it!
@thrivealist9458
3 жыл бұрын
👏 yes!!!!! Well spoken
@electrochubb
Жыл бұрын
^ totally
A friend gave me a modern reprint of Maj Julian Hatcher’s Pistols and Revolvers and Their Use. It came out in 1927 and had a lot of famous tests that couldn’t be repeated today. They shot cadavers and measured the swing of a limb and steers at a slaughterhouse. It most certainly dealt with the stopping power of small and large bore handguns of the day, but in dealing with leathality, he mentioned the .22lr as not necessarily a “stopper”, but an almost certain killer in the border fighting over bootleg liquor during prohibition. The remote areas and medicine of the day made pulling out someone’s intestines and plugging holes was not something easily survived! I don’t want someone mag dumping a 10-22 on me out in front of the best hospital in the country today!
Good job reviewing the .22 for self-defense! I carried a Ruger SR.22 for a long time!
@jamesberry1349
2 жыл бұрын
I was taught aim small miss small It is call shot placement
@dannydoughboy120
2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesberry1349 A squirrels head is small, I never missed! 😁
@Tenn-pipes-powder-ponderance
Жыл бұрын
My wife carries the SR.22 and has for a few years. Great little gun and she is dead accurate with it (better than me). Although she has decided to pick up an LCP .380. I may just aquire that SR for a backup to my .38
I made a mistake with my .38 Special penetration quotes at 7:57 and 10:05. I got the first one right when I said 18" as it stopped at 16" in gel and adding the MDF would make it 18", but without the MDF it penetrated a straight 19" and had enough to punch the jug, so I will still say that one was 21". Even though the diameter of the recovered MDF bullet was smaller than the plain gel bullet, the MDF bullet (which you cannot see from the top), had a much more deformed nose so I think this accounts for the "three inch" difference instead of "2 inch". We also should probably deduct the 1/4" of MDF off, but I sort of left that part alone as adding 1/4" to everything makes it a lot more complicated than it needs to be for an amount that's not even note worthy.
@joemorganeatmyshortschannel
3 жыл бұрын
22 is one of the most underestimated rounds ever and the high count of bodies tied to it has proven that it punches a hole and is small enough for anyone to use so it has a place now more then ever with new ammo i carry bigger but in a pinch it would do
Great video.... I like your quote : "it's better to have a skill and not need it than to need a skill and not have it". I feel the same way: "proper planning prevents poor performance" Slainte 🇺🇲🇮🇪
Great test and comparison! After you pointed it out I do see the similarity between the two bullet designs. Very interesting. Impressed by the velocity numbers for the Punch out of the Bobcat. Also, you hitting at 25 yards with both guns - nice. I need to find some Punch for my 21A. Thanks for this test.
Another great and educational video! My view on the 22 has definitely changed a little bit thanks to this awesome video. Keep up the great work and thank you!
You might want to try comparing this .22 ammo to a few popular .22 loads. Thanks for posting.
Once in a blue moon I would see Remington Viper ammunition for sale, but not for a very long time. The Viper ammo seems to have preceeded the new Federal load by a large margin.
@wizardofahhhs759
3 жыл бұрын
I was just thinking this isn't "new".
Thanks for taking the time to do this, very useful info.
Thank you for the quality work/testing.
Really liking these new versions of your tests. Great watch
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I plan some jug-or-not and bologna tests periodically still.
Thanks for testing the merits of 22 LR personal defense.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! My subscribers make it that much more fun for me, as i'd be doing these tests with or without youtube.
You make so many video. I freaking love it! Thank you!!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
I had to smile when you said it's better to have the skill and not need it than to need it and not have it. From the time I was a small boy my dad taught me the exact same thing. He called it "the camping rule". Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Your 1041 fps with those 22 Punch from the 2.4" barrel pretty well confirms my 1084 fps average from the Ruger's 2.75" barrel.
This ammo's velocity in an LCP! kzread.info/dash/bejne/rG16qtR9fNHQc7A.html&t
Always a good video. Thanks for the work you put into the shooting comparisons and finalizing a video results. Take care.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
Sam; Any testing is valuable as it adds to the collective knowledge. I conclude that some are better than others, any are better than nothing, and most are good enough. Just for us old dogs perhaps you could try some 158 RNL 38 Spl standard nostalgia loads.
Cci stingers have been around since the early 80s or before. Also federal yellow jackets. Aguila has been making hyper velocity ammo for some time as well
@gregoryjsnyder8150
3 жыл бұрын
I'll take the extra bullet weight of a CCI Velocitor. 40gr vs 32gr
@jimc6316
2 жыл бұрын
Remington makes the yellow jacket not Federal
@paulross9287
2 жыл бұрын
@@gregoryjsnyder8150 Yeah, 32 grain is awful light. imho.
Wow! Eye opening validation of the right 22LR ammo and the options for damage factor. A fast trigger and a heavy round speaks the talk and delivers. talk to my 25 round mag of 22LR!
Your ability to consistantly hit the 1 or 2 inch hold to put your second and third shots into your gel is crazy. You haven't missed any on all the videos I watch! Now, the bullet doesn't always do what you want it to, but, the initial impact of the round is spot on. I still think you are crazy when you shot your water jugs in winter. Because I can feel the cold water hitting me while freezing cold. Lol. Great video with some unexpected results in my mind. Was not thinking such small bullet would pass through the 4 layers of denim and the 3 inches of gel and 1/4 inch board and end up with 13 inches of penetration. 29 grains just did seem in my mind have enough mass to push past all that. So I learned something for sure.
Great video. Thanks for showing the new Federal 22 load. Glad to see it cycled well, albeit the one FTF. Looking to use with M&P 22 and 22 Compact. Subscribed.
You have the best theme song than all the other gun channels!
Good test. I never expected the 22's to do so well.
Excellent video!, thanks for this bro! 👍🏽
Glad you did this. Both are great rounds. I am planning on adding my ruger lcrx 357 with 38 special loads to my rotation. My 22lrs will be for super light carry during exercise sessions and when I get too old to shoot 9mm or 38.
@boomerisadog3899
3 жыл бұрын
When I'm gone for the night my wife keeps a 15-22 loaded with 26 rounds of CCI stinger's, along with her 9mm handgun, beside the bed. She can handle the 22 better than one of our bigger rifles and it's not as loud inside the house. With the 9mm backup she should be able to handle about anything.
Another most excellent video! Thank you for the quality…
I love your videos I get excited when I get the notifications.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
As usual another outstanding experiment. I like that you’re not so absolutely anti .22 lr for self defense. My wife will occasionally carry her .22 with me and my .357 edc. We’ve always felt that getting hit with a few unexpected .22’s would definitely change an assailant’s plan for that day. My only hang up with a .22 as a stand alone defensive round is that rimfire reliability. Sure, I’ve shot 400 to 500 rounds in a row without a failure to fire, but there’s always that 1 and if it happens to be the 1 that counts, the result could be quite the pickle. Keep up your fine work and I look forward to seeing what you try next.
@restey5979
2 жыл бұрын
Revolvers (and quality ammo) solve that.. just pull the trigger again. The new snubby .22s give you 8 rounds.
@tulsavol6653
11 ай бұрын
Really like my lightweight 8 shot revolvers for concealed carry:. Ruger LCR 22 snubbed and S&W 43c 22lr snubbed. Both outstanding. Each has its own very different trigger experience--i use Winchester SilverTip ammo. In multifamily setting and would no want over penetration.
Good video as usual 👌
Great vid & test. Thanks👍!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Elmer Keith came up with the best hand gun bullet I'm glad a 22 Long Rifle is using a SWC you got to love it thx.
Great test as always. Good to know that if you do have one of these pocket .22s you're not losing performance over a full length barrel.
@matthewwagner4042
2 жыл бұрын
I think that was because his longer barrel was a revolver. Paul Harrel had them going faster from his 5 inch. I think by a few hundred fps.
Thanks again. Appreciate your videos and your quick replies. Have a great night.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, you too!
Wife’s had a Bobcat since 1990, CCI stingers have been the round of choice.
Bro good at his measurements always been impressed by that even when you did just water jugs his figures 99% of the time matched what rounds did in gel
Something I never see with these gel test of pocket pistols is shots right against the gel to simulate a 'get off me' like scenario.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Would be a good idea for some of these aging blocks. I think a lot of people don't do it with Clear Ballistics as it will burn a huge hole in it and then they have to throw away a good chunk rather than melt it again, but like I said that's an excellent idea for an older block like what I have in this video.
@clangerbasher
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam It's just a thought. I can see all the reasoning behind shooting at say 5 to 10 yards. But we are wider than we are deep. And this last ditch scramble is after all what these tiny pistols are about. Thank you for taking the trouble to reply.
@beebob1279
3 жыл бұрын
That would be a good one.
@thatfeeble-mindedboy
Жыл бұрын
I’ve never seen any tests relative to a triple-tap from a semi-auto 22 or 25 acp. , but I would think that the total wound channel surface area would be enough to instantaneously produce significant blood loss, and impart energy and subsequent trauma that is the simple arithmetic sum of all three rounds, and even the most minimally skilled person can easily squeeze off 3 shots inside of 2 seconds, and 95% of them can do it inside of one. I noticed the precious Baretta 22 jammed, but my little $80 Phoenix Arms (Raven) .25 ACP has never jammed.
@clangerbasher
Жыл бұрын
@@thatfeeble-mindedboy Thank you for detailed and long reply. What you say makes me think of stabbing.
Very helpful. Thank You.
Excellent presentation in all regards. Thanks!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
I had a very high FTE and FTF rate in my Beretta 21A with Federal Punch. I gave up and went back to CCI Mini Mags. Glad to see it worked for you.
@tulsavol6653
11 ай бұрын
Have you tried Winchester SilverTip in 22lr--marketed as a segmented SD round
Good job, thank you!
This is one of the best videos you have ever done. Thank you so much !!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you. May I ask what I did that makes it good? It seemed similar to some of the others, other than a slight angle change at the 25 yard shooting.
@327Federal
3 жыл бұрын
I really love the new simulated organic target, it really seems to be as similar as possible to a real life organic threat. This also happens to be nearly an identical comparison to the types of guns and ammunition that I needed.
@327Federal
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam The only other thing I could see adding might be a second test adding one more piece of medium density fiberboard after another 2-4 inches to simulate striking a hand bone or an arm/shoulder bone striking a target from either side of their body. So have it pass through 2 pieces of medium density fiberboard for a second test.
@327Federal
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam you know for those Miami Dade FBI types 😉
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
@@327Federal I had thought about putting MDF on the back side of the block to fully cover it, because a body has back ribs, and the whole over penetration thing I hear about is always shown through a bullet exiting a gel block. I feel like rear ribs simulation would be better.
impressed with the kinetic hitting power of these .22lr loads......
The 22 penetration is right in the zone. The 38 SWC was good too see. A heavier Keith Type SWC (typically about 173 gr at probably 800-850 fps from a 4" or longer barrel) is known as a good game bullet and is often used for hunting or animal defense. It is said that SWC's and WC's have a tendency to crush tissue rather than just pushibg through it as RN bullets do, thus making them more effective. I would think that a good SWC cast somewhat soft would be effective at medium velocity. There are SWCHP bullet moulds out there too. And of course we know that the 38+p LSWCHP has been stopping bad guys since 1972. Any 22, even the 22 WMR, is not the first choice for self defense, but you may not have a choice. Lots of people carry 22's as kit/trail/tackle box guns. So the Punch looks like a good choice for that.
...if it rings when you hit it - it's a "GONGGG!!!"
When I heard that Federal had come out with .22 "self-defense ammo" I was expecting something a little more exotic.
@mkshffr4936
2 жыл бұрын
The older I get the less impressed I am with "exotic". Simple and effective is my jam.
@sorenpx
2 жыл бұрын
@@mkshffr4936 The thing is, I don't really see how this would be any more effective than a pack of CCI Mini-Mags. But it sure as hell costs more. I saw a box of Federal Punch at the gun store the other day. $9.99 for 50 rounds.
@grandinquisitor1522
Жыл бұрын
@@sorenpx Agreed 100%, or even more so, 40 grain Velocitors which are minimags + 200 fps. Although, the latter aren't cheap either.
@sorenpx
Жыл бұрын
@@grandinquisitor1522 Velocitors were actually the first .22 round I ever bought. I went into the gun store and that's all they had. I think I actually need to amend my previous statement though. If I'm remembering correctly, Paul Harrell did a test with the Punch and they DID penetrate more than the Mini-Mags, and I believe the velocity from short barrels was higher, so I guess the Punch does carry some advantages.
@grandinquisitor1522
Жыл бұрын
@@sorenpx That may be, but I think the 40 grain CCIs minimag or greater do hit the 12 inches. I'm not sure I trust 29 grains for barrier or bone.
Beretta Bobcat is a wicked fun little gun and super easy to carry. Thank you for a great presentation.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yeah I have found that the nylon generic ankle holster is hard to beat for it. Weighs the same as my .380 LCP loaded.
@Just1American1966
3 жыл бұрын
I agree, as long as it's reliable. I wish mine was.
@Vtfilamguy
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam I use a Crossbreed Pocket Rocket holster but I'm considering a belly band for summer. I would like to ask your opinion on summer carry options. Maybe it would be a good video subject?
@Vtfilamguy
3 жыл бұрын
@@Just1American1966 I have found mine likes CCI Mini mags and Remington golden bullet so far, havent tried lead nose yet though.
Thanks Sam!
Great test Sam. If you were looking for a 22lr round for self defense I think this would be a good one and I've always liked semi wadcutters and wadcutters out of the 38 special. Especially the ones not rated for +p ammo. Both of these work well.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks. I found that the Punch and Aguila Interceptor are the only two good rounds for this pistol thus far, or any short barrel pistol I should say as i'm going by terminal ballistics.
@red9man2130
3 жыл бұрын
absolutely!
That Taurus is our bedside table gun, and my wife's ccw. Never fails to fire, and can handle any ammo it is fed. At just over 200 bucks. Every home needs one like it.
Two of the best rounds on earth.
My go-to carry load for the Bobcat was the Remington 40-grain golden bullet solid. I don’t know the velocities or how well they would have penetrated; but the Golden Bullet was reliable and relatively accurate from the Bobcat. I had also fired a number of bricks of REM Viper hyper velocity down the pipe. It too was reliable, but I figured a little too strong when a rolled pin on my first 21A started working out in the first mag or two of a range session. I ended up getting a 2nd Bobcat because of that. There was a CCI load, probably the Stinger that didn’t work well, but I found these little guns to be reliable when I kept the chambers brushed out ever 50 rounds or so. I don’t know the status of the Remington Golden Bullet at this time, and most of us are just happy with whatever ammo we can get.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
I also noticed that the Aguila Interceptor 40 gr was one of the most reliable, and that was over 1,000 FPS in the Bobcat, so very hot. Seems like the hotter the better for my pistol for reliability.
@filianablanxart8305
3 жыл бұрын
The big question is how the Punch compares to conventional 40gr RN .
@sombra6153
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam give it time and it will break in. I have some 40 grain Aguila that I haven’t shot out of a Bobcat, but I experienced misfired from a Smith Model 34. Worked fine from a 10/22 however. As I may have said somewhere, both of mine are at a Beretta authorized service center presently getting refreshed after years of carrying and shooting. Wasn’t sure if it was worth it, but then I realized how much a new 21A costs. My first one was made around 1985 and I bought it new. That one got the most abuse. The second one was purchased around three years later cause I wanted a reliable carry gun. Should have had the first one fixed then. Anyway, these little guns are just about the neatest thing since sliced bread - at least in the .22LR world.
Both would work , good work .
I "liked" before watching the vid. This better be good. ETA: LOVED THE VID!!
Well done.
4:10. Ricochet nearly took out the camera.
Magnum versus lightweight...lol. I love .22 revolvers though. Thank you!
Definitely need to get some punch for my 21A. That’s my gym gun and it’s an extremely easy carry option for any scenario.
👍 that was good shooting at 25yd for little guns. I’m looking forward to trying some of the Punch in my Browning Camp.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you.
In my limited experience of shooting, if I were relying on a rimfire cartridge for self defence I would prefer a revolver. I'm a sports shooter (.22) and have had occasional failures to eject, feed.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
I think it depends of a few factors. I would generally agree, but if we were to compare lets say a little longer barrel revolver I would say that the Ruger 22/45's are a hard to beat semi auto. I used to run 500 round boxes of ammo through that thing with no malfunctions.
@sissydreams7494
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Great vid, Sam! I want a 22lr revolver very badly, but have heard such terrible things about heavy triggers. I'd love an LCR, but I've heard the rimfire models' triggers are hit or miss (some are great & some are so horrific that the owner gets rid of it). Any thoughts?
@Just1American1966
3 жыл бұрын
Another concern with those occasional misfires is what it takes to clear a Beretta (or Taurus) tip-up barrel, since racking the slide won't do it. I actually own the 21A and the PT22, though I carry neither. But, were I to carry a pocket rimfire, the LCP-II Lite-Rack is looking pretty good.
@frankhinkle5772
3 жыл бұрын
@@sissydreams7494 Take snap caps and dry fire before you buy. But do buy one!
@TheTiesThatBind88
3 жыл бұрын
@@sissydreams7494 I have an LCR and LCR X both in .22lr. The trigger on both Is excellent, very smooth. I’ve e never had a failure of any kind with either, can’t say the same about my autos.
That muzzle blast on the 21A
You have upset the chipmunk,🤣 I hear that little bastard chirping almost the whole time.
I subscribed it's 2022 nice video one of the best
I ordered a box of this for my ruger Wrangler....nice to have a box to complement my other calibers in case SHTF and I have to give to somone else!!!😀
That 38 is clearly hydrophobic and froze as soon as he saw the water jugs!
CCI minimags,get them.
What's that .38 loaded with, coal! Damn smokey cartridge!!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
4.5 gr Universal. Probably a CCI 500 primer. That's the max charge for this load, so probably why so smoky.
@somebloke13
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam Thought you had some charcoal left over from the BBQ! 😁
Great review, I've never seen any posts on those pants and shirts that suppose to prevent knifes from cutting them, I think a review with firearms would be a good one.
Great testing Sam. Sorry to hear the chrony. Good test either way. 🎩☯️♠️
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
I am suprised your semi-auto fed the punch, works great in revolver.
@jackgreenstalk777
Жыл бұрын
It failed to feed or eject at least once that I saw but otherwise solid. Mossad ran those beretta 22lrs for a while for assassination work with supressors.. they were very effective. Israel doesn't mess around
Great video. I noticed at 9:16 you tried to fire a round and nothing happens. Then you realized that the safty was still on. I can't tell you how many times I've seen experienced shooters, who would swear that they would never do that under a stressful situation, because they train. Even if you train constantly, which most people won't or can't, we are still flawed human beings and make mistakes especially under stress. Before any keyboard commandos start typing train train train, ask yourself, "do i know anyone who is overweight, doesn't exercise enough or doesn't eat well enough?" People don't always do what they should. In my humble opinion, I only carry Da/SA revolvers or semi's with no external safty. My edc is a Beretta px4 storm with decock only. I'm not telling anyone what they should carry, just something to think about. Keep the great videos coming 👍
G'day and thanks for the video m8 I was really curious see see what .22lr punch was capable of. I don't think anybody has done a video as good as this testing punch. Seb Australia 🇦🇺
Very interesting results from both those loads. It would be interesting to see the punch bullet loaded in .22 mag.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
it would be interesting, however if they did release it I have my doubts about what bullet they would use. Personally, i'd like to see something like a 50 gr hollow point so we don't over-expand but still maybe expand a little, plus heavier makes more sense when you want some good pressure with not a lot of barrel length to burn powder.
What a great vid to watch as I rebuild my jank ass Umarex pump.
Also surprised how far the Punch penetrated the gel. Cool test.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks!
Impressive.
very interesting & thanx!🇺🇲
Wow that little .22 made a teeny tiny explosion in the gel 👍
Here’s ballistics for people. My wife and more or less all her friends are in the world of trauma. They get people just as dead when shot by a 22lr as they do shot by a 45. Getting shot is getting shot. In the grand scheme of things when talking about bullet size, the smallest bullet size compared to the largest is, what, 1/16 of an inch? I’m not really worried about that. If you own a 22lr for self defense. Get ammo. Shoot it. Understand it. If you own a 45. I promise you won’t shoot it nearly as much as the person shooting with a 22lr. 500 rounds for $40 Or 500 rounds for $550.
@LKaramazov
Жыл бұрын
People,argue that center fired cartridges are markedly more reliable. What’s more, it’s not the diameter they’re talking about, but grains and energy. I agree with your point though to an extent, but if a pit bull attacked you, would you still argue for the .22? A human being is more rational and will break off an attack faster than a dog.
I'm liken' that 22 for my back up
What on earth makes these things penetrate so far? Tool and Targets has been running Punch test and has been getting the same results. Amazing stuff.
The .22 has a surprising amount of muzzle flash
@Just1American1966
3 жыл бұрын
Yep. That's what you get when shooting a round designed for a rifle barrel from one barely over twice its length. I noticed how stark the difference is indeed when I shot a Taurus P22 alongside a PT25 at the range. The rimfire definitely showed its greater "bark-n-spark."
@TheCowboyfromhell87
3 жыл бұрын
Not really suprising. Pretty common when shooting rifle rounds in extremely short barrels.
@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338
3 жыл бұрын
i'm pretty sure that's the excess gasses escaping from the barrel. it's almost impossible to ustalize a high velocity round in such a small barrel because the gasses don't have enough space to push the bullet forward, so most of it is wasted through the muzzle. the idea of using high powered rounds in miniscule guns is pointless, and has little benefit apart from feeling more powerful, despite not haveing significantly as much power as it would suggest.
@ftdefiance1
3 жыл бұрын
@@TheCowboyfromhell87 or a .357 magnum from a two inch barrel.
@Just1American1966
3 жыл бұрын
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 We're talking about the .22 Long Rifle cartridge here. Hardly a "high-powered" round, no matter what gun from which it's fired. No one uses it to "feel more powerful." Are you familiar with the .22LR round at all?
I left in the middle of Hickok45's Max 9 video to watch this. Just sayin'!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
I mean, his stuff is good but.....
@357-swagnumultramagax9
3 жыл бұрын
@@GunSam but he rambles a lot lol
I got a Caldwell G2 chrono with the lighted screens and it almost never misses a reading. I use it in the middle of the night quite often when I’m reloading late and has no problem reading even on a moonless night.
TY for this video is very interesting try to do one about latests ammo prices if you have time thanks
Winchester has also started making Silvertips in 22lr! I’d love to see a video on those if you can get them!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
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@JMR6813
3 жыл бұрын
I missed that video! Thanks!
@elsullo2
3 жыл бұрын
The video on the Silvertips DID NOT appear in KZread listings! Not in "all" or in "recently posted" or in "my subscriptions." Your link here does work though, so maybe post it above, as apparently nobody else saw it either...........................elsullo
My Taurus PT-22 likes Punch and shoots it very well. I carry it as a 2nd gun occasionally or when its difficult to conceal something bigger.
All Good !!!
Man, I saw a little Berretta Bobcat like that about a week before I bought the Ruger LCP II in 22 LR, and I almost bought it. Still looks like fun.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
I also looked all over for the LCP .22, but ultimately when I was at my favorite store, they happened to have this or the SR22, and I was really preferring getting into pocket pistols.
@smartacus88
3 жыл бұрын
The Beretta is an objectively superior pistol.
@GeographyCzar
3 жыл бұрын
@@smartacus88 as I am learning!
@matt5415
3 жыл бұрын
The trigger is bad on the LCP .22. Feels like the button on a barbecue lighter. It’s like you’re just mashing the trigger down, no break. Sights are basic.
Those chronographs can be finicky about lighting. Mine completely failed to read once because I was using it indoors under a fluorescent light that apparently had a tiny bit of transformer flicker. I moved it to an incandescent light and it worked fine.
You're good with that snubbie.
I frequently carry North American Arms mini-revolver in .22Mag (Pug and Ranger II). I use Speer GD for short barrel. Both guns and the round are extremely handy for what they are designed to do: “get off me” self-protection. Believe me, no one want 3 .22Mag heading through center chest and 2 rounds at your face.
Hey Gun Sam; A year later I ran across the CCI quiet Semi Auto. It is a 45gr solid rather than the 40gr in the regular quiet and runs a bit faster to boot. Buffalo ran it into some gel from his Henry and it looked really good. If you could find some and try it from a handgun I think it would be interesting.
'A little different in size!'like comparing a puma running after you with a Bengal Tiger!mind either way you might be doomed although a Tiger will greatly increase the chance of expiring!
SWEET!!
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
25 ACP test request with punch ?, great video, thanks Sam.
@GunSam
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, but Federal does not make a .25 ACP Punch, and I don't have a .25 ACP pistol.