Ultima is one of my favorite characters because his pettiness while not giving a fuck that he is dying is just something I can't help but respect. His last words are essentially "enjoy your shitty world bro, fuck you" and then just dies.

@kingswarthy

Жыл бұрын

😂

@bradenbungard9035

Жыл бұрын

I respect his dedication to hating

@resetbutton7982

Жыл бұрын

😂 I’m glad I’m not the only one who enjoyed him being like “yeah you beat me but it’s still fuck you”

@Pory404

Жыл бұрын

Ultima is the Genesis of FF16

@Jonnicom

Жыл бұрын

The thing I like about Ultima is the question, is he *really* a bad guy? Sure, from human perspective of his world he wants to end them. But he created them. They are an experiment that he no longer understands, and that's almost sad. He doesn't understand concepts like love, loss, grief. And so the idea of a reset doesn't bother him. To him, he's just trying to do something great again. And his own "children" are disobeying and keeping him from doing what he truly believes is right. Fuck him, though. Clive woulda made a better god.

I'm one of the people who absolutely fell in love with the characters and the world. Valisthea felt so real to me with its bleakness, yet hope around every corner and shining in the people themselves, but I can understand people not preferring how they approached it in terms of the nature of side quests and stuff. It also had some of the greatest moments in gaming that I've ever experienced, and that alone does so much for me in terms of this game pushing the boundaries of what's possible in video games and storytelling. 9/10 minimum. 12/10 OST Soken limit break.

@bigty81

8 ай бұрын

I agree. Doing all the side stories fleshed out a lot of the what the people were going thru and I enjoyed most of it. The music was insanely good. I did give it a 8.5/10 because some of it dragged on a hair too long. However, that could’ve been because of the way I was playing. I did all the side quest before I continued with the main story.

@talmanes4589

19 күн бұрын

@@bigty81 I did them all and found them the weakest part of the game by far. All that time needed to be spent on characters that were interesting like Jill or Gav. Make them involved with the side quests the way Remake and Rebirth did. More time with characters I like and care about instead of characters whose names I can barely remember after I finish the game like the old lady shopkeeper or the Dame. The fact that you have as much or more interaction with those characters than you do with Jill and Torgal for most of the game is a crime imo. Still give it an 8/10 for good action and a strong overall story.

I love that we literally get to punch Ultima in his stupid face, which is all I wanted to do the entire game.

I took the ending as a far out future where the events of the game were forgotten. I believe that the story was made so that the world can remember in some way of the events that took place and that the author being "Joshua Rosefield" was equivalent to how Clive took on Cid's name so it could live on.

@phase_1471

Жыл бұрын

Same 👍

@Dizzy1407

Жыл бұрын

At first I thought that, but I ended up landing around the same place Max did where it's just a story. Because I can't imagine a world where enough time has passed for people to forget about magic, but not enough for technology to advance past using flint to light kettles.

@alanreplicant8615

Жыл бұрын

@@Dizzy1407 You can, we have that it is called the bible. They used a similar concept no one will ever know if it is true or not...

@osmaniesquijarosa4308

Жыл бұрын

@@Dizzy1407Valisthea was literally dead by the end, Clive said it best, “it may take generations, centuries even” when speaking to Joshua about the trials they would face after defeating Ultima. It’s evident Ultima enthralled the majority of mankind into being akashic with the rampant aetherfloods he caused after casting primogenesis, on top of all of the destruction caused, I’d wager that’s enough to set humanity back a couple centuries, and into the literal Stone Age in the case of Valisthea. It is constantly regurgitated to us just how much the people of this world rely on magic, to the point that they haven’t developed any worthwhile technology that works independently of said magic.

@Dizzy1407

Жыл бұрын

@@osmaniesquijarosa4308 I agree with you on most points, but our interpretations differ. To say that significant time has passed to forget giant Eikons and magic being commonplace, humanity is still in the stone age, and we have technology to create elaborate works of fiction on printed, hard back books doesn't mesh for me.

Love that Ultima is literally so petty he went "we are NOT the same", like sheesh, okay Mr. Salt.

@onegloba2425

11 ай бұрын

😂😂😂 "I CAN’T END, I AMM THE ENDDDD" Ok salty man

My only major complaint about the game personally is that the pacing tanks in the back half. I was commited to doing every side quest and I was really enjoying doing that in the first half. But good god, the exhaustion I felt whenever it would drop another 5-10 hours of side quests between EVERY SINGLE main mission was getting unbearable by the end

@ghijunz

Жыл бұрын

Sammmmeee here man agree with you, dropped the game after around halfway after bahamut

@lukeyost7566

Жыл бұрын

After the sky got permanently foggy/dark it’s like it was a slog to do everything

@inthebeginning4751

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. I kinda wish we had more basic skills outside of eikons as well as some dope end game dungeons.

@romeech9375

11 ай бұрын

the side quests were a huge problem, and i feel like the lack of good rewards really held the game back. the game really needed unique weapons, armor, items, trinkets, and character story/progression. many of these side quests were a bore because they were simply wastes of time, you didn’t connect with anything or earn anything except for 30 wyrite and 30 sharp fangs to craft another stat boost even though you probably have like 400 of each crafting item from encounters

@vspectra

11 ай бұрын

I thought the pacing was ass even at the beginning after the demo seciton lol.

6:46:06 - Ben Star’s second Phoenix scream there reminds me of Deslin’s Oribital Drop after he lost his brother in infamous Second Son, the same ultimate move we know but amped up with emotion, amazing

I liked the game, but it could be better in many ways. Exploration isn't rewarded enough. I wished that the whole Jill story was better fleshed out, her parents, Northern Territories and stuff. That part with the women who were kidnapped by the Iron Kingdom felt really weird, they just peaced out and left them to their own demise.

@magicalhermitcrab5912

Жыл бұрын

I remember looting a chest and FINALLY getting a weapon out of it, only to find that what I'd JUST crafted was better. The game went out of its way to underwhelm you with its loot. It was a "blue", and this happened somewhere in the desert area.

@MistaAwesome26

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the exploration was heartbreakingly bad. Sharp fangs and wyrite haunt my dreams.

@Plasmacat1

Жыл бұрын

​@@magicalhermitcrab5912the loot assumes you do side quests so you actually use the ones you craft from bosses a lot and then upgrade from the stuff you can find or buy later but yeah it's not good.

@dmurray2978

Жыл бұрын

Exploration was non existent, most characters are like boring step dads, sub plots just go nowhere, rpg elements are on par with pong.

@zueszues9715

Жыл бұрын

​@@dmurray2978 every charecter in the lord of the ring can name to "boring step dad or step brother" Make word to bring them down Cheap trick LoL

The popular theory is that, if you finish all of the side quests at the end of the game, there's a lot of talk about Clive putting down his sword when everything is done and writing a book, in addition to multiple people telling him over the course of the story to save himself. Joshua was in the process of writing a book, which he never got to finish because he died. People think Clive resurrected him, but Joshua said it himself that even the Phoenix's flames cannot revive the dead, the spell Raise also would not do this not that Clive would if it could because he needs all the Aether to cast the spell to restore the world and rid it of magick. Regardless, we see Clive and if you watch closely only the hand that he casts magick from, including Raise, turns to stone. It does not visually spread to the rest of his body despite how fast it had been progressing. And the theory is that it's because he rid the world of magick and thus negated the curse, but it took a moment to completely fade which is how it still claimed his hand. He then passes out. Per Jill, she prays to Metia for his safe return all the time, but the wish was likely never granted because Clive was never in mortal danger and even if he was Ultima would probably step in because he needs Clive. But it was finally granted at the end as indicated by the star going out because Clive was knocking on deaths door and there was no Ultima to intervene, it really was now or never. Jill assumes it means something bad has happened, but she has also said that when the sun rises she knows he'll return or be there, and that last shot is the sun rising on the horizon and she looks almost stunned and then smiles despite just being in the throes of grief and it's not like the sun never came out prior to this there was just some cloud cover, it's not like XV where it was just gone for 10 years. So he ultimately finds his way back and finally settles down, and takes Joshua's name as a pen name to finish Joshua's book and have it be his living legacy. Clive is the one telling the story from start to finish and is the only one that witnessed the entirety of the final battle and its outcome. Personally I don't think it's a fairy tale. It is by the time of the post credits scene, with the book being the only account of those mythological times in Valisthea's history, but the events really did happen. I wish the ending wasn't so vague and up to interpretation, but it is what it is. It's just like how with XV's ending the fate of Prompto, Ignis, and Gladiolus is left entirely up to the players imagination because we last see them squaring off against multiple Iron Giants and not long after that they would have lost their powers. Word of God had to come in after the game was out to confirm that all three survived.

@otakunolife6782

Жыл бұрын

I like this theory and it makes complete sense so I will say this is how it ended as I will not accept that clive is dead , I knew there was a high chance joshua wouldn't make it so if clive was no more I would be very sad and disappointed I don't want another ff15 ending thank you 😆👍🏻

@TheEffectOfMass

Жыл бұрын

This is the majority agreed upon theory. There's also the fact that Clive narrates the beginning and the end, in his voice.

@chocobojam8776

Жыл бұрын

I dont know man, if clive is really alive then why dont they just show it as a happy ending and have a closure. It seems that the theories that you mentioned are legit, but i think its more like a wishful thinking instead. The ending itself is obviously leaning towards that clive is dead, but people are just looking for "excuses" on how clive could be still alive only so that they get the ending that they want. My personal take is, unless that square enix releases a ff16-2 or a dlc that confirms that clive is alive, then its most likely that clive has really died in the end.

@deedoubs

Жыл бұрын

@@otakunolife6782 What we got was worse than an FFXV ending. At least FFXV had the decency to tell you explicitly what happened.

@blakty2

Жыл бұрын

@@deedoubsso you want it spelled out for you lol sounds lame

Very fair criticism. I liked the story more than Max but I agree with a lot to try pacing and gameplay issues he brings ups. It was a great experience for me but still a bit empty in big areas that I wanted it to flesh out.

@frostreaper2311

9 күн бұрын

I will say that him saving wayyy too many side quests for the very end was not a good idea pacing wise. Like a lot of the quests are given to you in the period of time in the story where they’d be relevant. So it felt like he set himself up for quest fatigue you feel me?

I agree with the "challenging Clive" bit especially. One thing that occurred to me is that Barnabas should have killed someone. He kidnapped Jill, but he basically said himself that Clive was going to have to save her in order to get the Eikon, so it's not like she was in real danger. If Barnabas had killed Mid, or Byron, or Gav, I'd have been very sad, but it would have challenged Clive a lot more than just a punch from Joshua.

@TheUruse

11 ай бұрын

Clive's arc already done when he accepted himself which is the 1/3 of the game.

@dionysianapollomarx

11 ай бұрын

If Cid somehow survived, maybe there’s a way to shoehorn it. Gav making the sacrifice would’ve also made a difference if Barnie killed him.

@trtx84

11 ай бұрын

At least if Gav died then there'd be a reason for Jill to stay behind. Clive knew even if he succeeded there's a chance he wouldn't make it back. So Jill stays to ensure there's always another Cid.

@jaybee4288

11 ай бұрын

@jamarswope2341 I didn’t need that but I honestly expected more from the “sever all bonds” from Odin. He didn’t really do anything. I thought he was gonna make the team suffer. Kupka was way more personal.

@RotaAbyssian

11 ай бұрын

I honestly don't think even another death was needed, though if I would have chosen one, it would have been Jill to give Clive Shiva much the same way that Cid did. What needed challenging more is IDEALS. I think there should have been more back and forth on the side of The Hideaway on whether what they were doing was truly right, or the actions they were taking just. We do get some lip service to it, but you blink and it's resolved. Hell, with Ultima trying to prime Clive as his vessel, where was a conversation about just killing Clive to deny him? Just more interpersonal conflict amongst the good guys would have been nice.

Love Tarja @5:28:10 , how she expresses her feelings on Cid’s group’s mission. She’s on board till the end. Pretty badass character imo

I think the game needed much more moments with the main cast of characters like Joshua and Jill, even Gav. Felt like Cid was killed off very early as well. These characters are all awesome and its a shame we didnt get to enjoy more of them.

@romeech9375

11 ай бұрын

i definitely feel this as well. i wish the villains could’ve survived a little longer as well, i really felt like benedikta was wasted and Barnabas needed a much better buildup

@92JinKazama

11 ай бұрын

​@@romeech9375Odin fight was extremely underwhelming.

@masufame

11 ай бұрын

​@@Bahamut998Disk space is not the issue here buddy,it's a fundamental problem that max explained. They didn't fully commit to either RPG or action elements in favor of cinematic battles.

@nemi9217

11 ай бұрын

Cid getting killed off early almost felt like a mistake because he was always there adding witty comments and lighting up the world with them, made the party feel so much more alive. Once he was gone, most of the parties you go through just feel awkward. No witty comedic remarks or heartfelt comments outside of a few moments (like that team up with Byron and Gav). It’s just mostly silence… There WAS this one time where the party members were finally going to interact like how parties in rpgs should when Joshua comments how it feels so good to finally be together with Jill and Clive again, then Clive tells him to shut up and get serious like ??? Whats with that ?? It’s like the game’s mocking the players who want to hear this. Totally random character break too ?

@lutten3888

11 ай бұрын

Agree with almost anyone but Gav, I think he's the only one that had enough time for us to really really care about him

I took the ending as far out in to the future that the events we played through became stories. Like the ancient civilization clive use to read about as a boy. I bet that crater from the ifrit and phenix fight is still there and nobody knows how it happened

@andreseh87

11 ай бұрын

Oh definitely. It’s not a “this was all a dream” ending. The post credits scene is definitely generations in the future.

@xMarrilliamsx

11 ай бұрын

That's how I understood it too 🙂

@calebolds9609

10 ай бұрын

The director's commentary book is out and he said that the intention was what you said - its a historical account and the ending is just super super far in the future

@zacatkinson3926

9 ай бұрын

They all three lived too,Yes Joshua was resurrected, its obvious

My biggest gripes with the game were the lack of RPG elements and the overall lack of gameplay outside of the combat. I wish the worlds they gave us were more explorable and interactive, I would have liked some light puzzles and environment traversals using our Eikon abilities. The combat, boss battles, music, characters, and story were all fantastic but I wish everything in between was more fleshed out. I think an expansion or sequel could really improve this formula.

@princessoscar3089

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Eikon ability for exploration would've helped a lot! Like have Clive need to blast a wall apart, or burn a bridge away, or do a super mega jump to reach somewhere.

@blackpow3r

Жыл бұрын

I agree 1000% with this. You never use the Eikon abilities outside of fighting another Eikon. Jill used her powers as Shiva I think only twice to traverse what otherwise wouldn't be. Clive gains all abilities, yet only uses them in combat. The RPG element has definitely been forgotten.

@edribondoc

11 ай бұрын

Definitely agree with this. If a sequel is in the works, it would be great if they are able to get someone onboard to help with much more engaging and interactive level designs. It would do much to help you feel immersed in the world design.

@SSlash

11 ай бұрын

Really do agree with this, even if there won't be a direct sequel, even just 17 being a spiritual one by letting us command several elemental powers on the fly similar to this they SHOULD make it be useful within the world, fire abilities to light torches and burn things away, wind to stoke flames and redirect them, allowing us to attain greater height, earth for destroying walls and creating new paths with rock and stone (staircases?), ice to be able to freeze water and create ice structures and slides for traversal, light to empower allies and dark to command enemies and both being overall just plain powerful in combat, so much they could do with the basic structure of 16 at its core

@dionysianapollomarx

11 ай бұрын

@@Bahamut998 sure

I actually enjoyed how Clive was basically godly by the end of the game. Always find it weird when MC struggles with beasts but can beat the main villain.

@93hothead

Жыл бұрын

Even the mightiest gods lose to behemoth in final fantasy

@CountArtorias

Жыл бұрын

The issue for me is that it didn’t make sense how he was so strong, if ultima created him and all the dominants then how does clive beat ultima in every dominant encounter? Power of friendship it seemed like to me

@jlit5215

Жыл бұрын

@@CountArtoriasnot to mention clive has only a part of each eikon, besides ifrit and phoenix. It’s really just power of friendship

@mavvynne444

Жыл бұрын

@@CountArtorias Clive became stronger and able to fight Ultima in equal terms is because he is Mythos. He wield elemental powers of every Eikons. It's that simple to understand

@mavvynne444

Жыл бұрын

@@93hothead Which God?

Honestly, b4 the final battle when Clive saluted and recited his oath I genuinely got chills

@hotcoldman77

7 ай бұрын

Lol

I find it fascinating that the basis of the absolutely horrible treatment of bearers is because they attempted to take over and lord their magical prowess over everyone else in the far past. How one group goes from the oppressor to the oppressed as the cycle of revolution turns throughout history.

I definitely don’t feel the same in terms of liking XV more than XVI but I agree with a lot of your observations at the end. I think my love for Clive, some of the supporting cast, the story, the soundtrack, and those incredible set piece moments really elevated it for me to far outweigh any flaws I felt the game had.

@bungifish2227

Жыл бұрын

Respect that opinion. For me this is going to be a forgettable FF entry like FF 12. Really enjoyed my time with FF16, but doesn't offer much to be a special and unique RPG imo

@patchtactic

Жыл бұрын

Different people have different opinions. For me FXV has better exploration, rpg, environment, variety in side-quest, and even impactful soundtrack. FFXVI had an awful rpg, empty exploration, dry looking environment, heavy on fetch quest, and the soundtrack has this consistency with some of FFXIV's tunes and i grow tired of listening to it.

@ghijunz

Жыл бұрын

​@@patchtactichave to agree with you, i find 16 to be disappointing after having played around 80 hours i kept thinking what the hell did i waste 80 hours for? Unlike 15 it wasnt great either it wasn't a finished game it lacks some stuff, but the ending, and the journey had a special impact in my heart it connected more than 16 and felt like a real FF. I was impressed with 16 demo but after bahamut fight it all went downhill i dropped the game and just watched youtube until ending. I ha d such high hopes for 16 tho, its a good game just not what i was expecting and definitely wasnt expecting 15 to top 16 from my POV.

@mako3197

Жыл бұрын

Same, I much prefer FF16 for narrative, characters and combat but overall I think 8/10 is fair. No story grabs everyone. Imo Clive is their best protagonist since classic FF and whilst Ultima is just an okay villain I would disagree with Max in saying that Ardyn is the second best FF villain. Sephiroth and Kefka interchange positions for me. I think they should've made Barnabas the main villain and expanded on his story because his character was triviliased and was wasted potential. Despite missing some stronger sense of party I think this game has some solid supporting characters namely Joshua and Dion. Jill had a lot to offer but imo was sidetracked outside the Iron Kingdom arc. And I would also disagree on his point that there was nothing in this game particularly special, I think at its peaks this game was monumental (but the flaws are too noticeable to ignore).

@bauloprete3905

Жыл бұрын

​@@ghijunzbro You can't like FFXV. Seriouslu man, check your priorities

Part 16 being the final part of FF16 is just poetic in itself

@eldragonball14

Жыл бұрын

Is like poetry. It rhymes

@viralshark

Жыл бұрын

13 has 13

@dauntlesstark9850

Жыл бұрын

It's a 7 hr video, it might been planned that way

Doesn’t seem fair to compare the Final Mix version of FFXV to the base version of FFXVI. When comparing the two base games I believe FFXVI comes out on top. Even if you consider it too much story. At least FFXVI doesn’t require a movie, an anime, multiple DLCs both released and cancelled, and a novel to get a complete story. Even if FFXVI gets DLC, it will feel like an addition rather than sections and levels pulled out of the main game on release. Game was literally a complete novel.

@Coldsilfur4

11 ай бұрын

Even then.. the final mix of FF15 sucks.. most brainless combat with endless potion, phoenix feather spam.. no real impactfull abilities.. random instant kill summons.. worst endboss of all FFs without any combat strategy.. even worse side quests.. and story being outsourced in DLCs.. nope

@berrytimee

3 ай бұрын

bro i forgot 15 had the anime and movie lmaoo

The post-credits scene takes place far into the future where the events of the game have become mere fairy tales.

@galaxy_kitten95

11 ай бұрын

This is the most accurate depiction of the post credit scene. For me, it was something to take in because I had taken a children’s literature course last semester and knowing XVI takes around the Medieval/Middle Ages, it’s only fair to say that the main events took place in a distant past. Clive’s entire journey can be viewed as a Legend in that very context.

If i had to guess, if there is a DLC, I think we'll get to replay the game again through Joshua POV (the demo pretty much hints us that he'll be playable) exploring his journey after destruction of phoenix gate, lore for leviathan, findings about Ultima & continuation of Clive ending, how Joshua becomes the writer.

Whew, this was a long journey folks but the storyline was what gripped me in. I'm glad I chose Max Dood to be the channel I follow through. That final ending was pretty epic. I gotta download all the boss battles with Ultima in all his forms. The ending was emotional for me indeed. Just how I expected it to be.

I love the hints of Joshua in Clive's voice when he uses Phoenix at the very end

Max the whole point of destruction of the crystals was for them to get rid of magic and all that, that we their main goal alongside killing ultima

@AZJayjohn

Жыл бұрын

You find out regardless magic is natural from the land the crystals were created to absorb the magic in the land to store so Ultima could use the energy to take his ark and leave to a new world. Hence to reason Ultima tells you the world is going to die anyways because magic still exists. Which is why Clive wants to remove magic itself from the world. Cid thought the crystals caused the blight because the area around crystals is the last to be consumed. The other 3 crystals we know 1 was destroyed and the other 2 finished absorbing the magic from the land. The entire point of the crystals in the narrative was initially to destroy magic as cid believed but he was wrong.

Clive was my favorite FF protagonist ever. Absolute Chad.

@galaxy_kitten95

11 ай бұрын

Clive has definitely went high on my list of top favorite FF protagonists. I have nothing but absolute love and HIGH respects for him.

@TheOturanArtist

11 ай бұрын

What about Chaos-man?

@PenguinsAreColdish

11 ай бұрын

he literally stopped developing after the first 10 hours of the game.

@thejerrams9104

11 ай бұрын

@@PenguinsAreColdishHow so? Yes the first 1/3 is about Clive’s revenge, however, his acceptance and rising above it for a greater purpose are handled great throughout the game. I personally really love the ending with Clive facing the same predicament as the beginning of the game: Joshua’s death. Yet this time he’s matured and we visibly see how the effects of the game have changed how he reacts to such news, I’m not saying he isn’t obviously sad but instead he accepts it and pledges to fight in his memory rather than instantly turning into a big monster and losing control. I’m not trying to invalidate how you feel I just think it’s wrong to say he stopped developing after 10 hours, it just wasn’t a shoved in front of your face revenge story anymore, but one of acceptance. Again, sorry seems like an attack we just disagree that’s all.

@PenguinsAreColdish

11 ай бұрын

yeah, his maturation happened in the first 10 hours. there was a brief moment in the last fourth of the game where it was brought up that he put too much burden on himself... only to continue doing exactly that, from taking jill's powers (even tho he just found out ultima needed him to have all eikon powers like an hour ago), and sacrificing himself at the end when he didn't even need to.@@thejerrams9104

Joshua died. Clive wrote the book. He’s the only one that knows the whole story. Clive just like with Cid, he took his brother’s name to honor him. In the side quest with Harpokrates, he told him to write a book when this is all over.

@Thiago_Alves_Souza

Жыл бұрын

Did you miss the part where he healed Joshua at the end? Clive was petrified

@Kurouso2099

Жыл бұрын

​@@Thiago_Alves_SouzaCid's arm was elso turned into stone...

@Thiago_Alves_Souza

Жыл бұрын

@@Kurouso2099 yeah but it wasn't due to some world changing spell was it? Hugo petrified immediately after using the mother crystal

@CurseOxuin

Жыл бұрын

@@Thiago_Alves_Souza That because when Hugo crystallized the world still have abundance of magic, When Clive received Ultima's power he's completely erase magic ("Ultima's legacy consigned to the flame") since Clive realized that it's Magic that brought the Blight in the first place. So no magic=no curse of the bearers, that's why Clive left hand stop crystallizes halfway, right after he tried to cast phoenix flame but unsuccessful (symbolise the dead of magic).

@Thiago_Alves_Souza

Жыл бұрын

@@CurseOxuin do you forget that Ultima needed to use Clive' body to cast that spell because it would take a strong vessel? And Clive when he used all aether to destroy it he even said his body wasn't enough to withstand that magnitude? Clive had all the power of the mother crystals in him, not just one like Hugo

I really do enjoy your take on the story about Clive and the lack of conflict in the second half. In storytelling, it feels more natural that even allies dont always agree on matters, especially when it comes to morals or ideals. While they may act together, schisms are common, especially in darker worlds when the paragon good choice isn't always the availiable option. With the story in FF16, i get the impression it is trying to have its cake and eat it. It has this grim, politically charged world where people are enslaved by the instance of their birth, and the world that is dying from the use of magic that is the crutch of humanity. But in the end, all the various antagonists and their goals mean nothing because its all the game played by Clive and Ultima. The baddies were all an evil gods' pawns, and Clive is a chaotic good archtype with a scooby gang that follows his every decision to the letter on a journey to kill that god. It's not a terrible story, just confused. Like the pre cid arc was trying to tell a very different story from the post cid arcs. And whatever theming behind becoming a wanted outlaw to save the world from its own people has no nuance because there's no questioning whether it's the right choice. Ultima and the crystals have to go, or it's the end of the world.

@garitobee7541

11 ай бұрын

It's something I noticed with JRPG stories in general that try to have grey protagonists and antagonists; they don't commit to the grey.

@nicke20686

11 ай бұрын

Yes... I couldn't put this feeling into words but this is it

@PenguinsAreColdish

11 ай бұрын

that's because literally everyone is just an accessory to "develop" clive (even though he gets no development at all after the first 10 hours)

Thanks for taking the time to play this one through. I agree with a lot of your points and after finishing up I genuinely love the take of this being a work of fiction. I preordered this one for the steel book. And like any good book-I’ll prob let it sit for awhile and come come back to it later for another read on ng+. You’re the man dood, see ya at rebirth🎉

I feel the story lacked focus in certain areas. Any opportunities to learn more about Anabelle, the empire, Barnabas, or even Ultima and his past felt like they were glossed over to have side stories with a supporting cast that definitely could have been smaller.

@Waytothedawn63

11 ай бұрын

Ironically this is the fault of not having a core party. When you have a party you have a set of characters who get to respond to different events/emotions/beats of the story in unique ways. Give them personal character arcs and development, and you've got your character depth for the game. Now all the peripheral characters don't need to be over-developed at the cost of the main cast and story. They can be relatively one dimensional and still be liked because they aren't there to provide character depth, they're there to provide world depth. The lack of a true core party meant they had to struggle to develop pretty unimportant peripheral characters to TRY and give characters some depth, but the problem is that they don't get to go through all the fun stuff of a story when everything they experience is through word of mouth.

@mariopkmnzelda

11 ай бұрын

@@Waytothedawn63I would argue this game does have a core party. Clive, Torgal, Jill, Joshua, Cid, and Gav, they just sub in and out of the game depending on what part of the game you’re at. Not unlike say FF9 or 7 remake.

@Waytothedawn63

11 ай бұрын

@@mariopkmnzelda Including the useless dog in that is so funny. Torgal ends up contributing nothing to game outside of saving Jill once from an incredibly contrived and rather pitiful trope of "girl gets captured while back is turned". Jill isn't a character. She's an accessory to Clive. Literal cheerleader. Joshua should've been one of the best characters in the game, except the undying were a stupid 'answer', and Joshua's refusal to reunite with Clive (that never gets answered) stains his character. Cid is the best character in the game, sure. Too bad he's wasted as hell and the game's characters and dialogue falls off a cliff without him. Gav? Gav's defining character trait is that he gets to say fuck a lot.

@mariopkmnzelda

11 ай бұрын

@@Waytothedawn63 look I’m not defending anything (though personally I like the characters), I just don’t think saying “there is no core party” is entirely correct. Also there’s been plenty of times in RPGs when “useless” dogs have been party members, like Repede in Tales of Vesperia or Koromaru in Persona 3, so I’m not sure why Torgal doesn’t count…

@Waytothedawn63

11 ай бұрын

@@mariopkmnzelda It's funny you bring up Repede because while we can sit here and not-debate his irrelevance, he had more personality than Torgal had all game, and I fucking *despise* Vesperia.

I agree that the first half of the game is the best, but I still enjoyed it the whole way through. I also wish combat was a little bit deeper and that equipment was more interesting. The blacksmith stuff seemed very basic. I'm in Final Fantasy mode now and still enjoying it, but uh, yeah it's not that hard. FF7R did a much better job with hardmode. This game was in huge need of some levity too, like chocobo racing or fishing! On story alone, I actually give it a 9 and I think Clive might be one of my favorite protagonists as well.

@Manthathasspiderlikepowers

Жыл бұрын

How can you say you wish combat was deeper but prefer the majority of the game with the least amount of combat options?

@TheEffectOfMass

Жыл бұрын

@@Manthathasspiderlikepowers From a story perspective I enjoyed it more. That's my biggest priority with games. I didn't want to spam the screen with text, but that is related to another critique I have. Which is the combat abilities are unlocked very slowly. I'm in Final Fantasy mode now and have spent well over 100 hours in game, I've experimented with every skill. It is fun, but I do wish there was a little more to it.

@Manthathasspiderlikepowers

Жыл бұрын

@@TheEffectOfMass I can’t fault anyone for simply wishing there were more options I would probably agree with you there. But imo stuff unlocked at a reasonable rate. I felt like by the time I was comfortable or ready to try something else, I’d have new stuff unlocked.

@TheEffectOfMass

Жыл бұрын

@@Manthathasspiderlikepowers A perfectly valid opinion I think. Honestly it's a great game, if they make DLC or a follow up I hope they add more cool combat mechanics.

@Manthathasspiderlikepowers

11 ай бұрын

@@TheEffectOfMass if they give us dlc and it doesn’t have anything to do with leviathan I’ll be upset lol. But I’ll take anything they give us tbh, I wasn’t sure for a while leading up to the games launch if we’d realistically have a chance for dlc.

You find out regardless magic is natural from the land the crystals were created to absorb the magic in the land to store so Ultima could use the energy to take his ark and leave to a new world. Hence to reason Ultima tells you the world is going to die anyways because magic still exists. Which is why Clive wants to remove magic itself from the world. Cid thought the crystals caused the blight because the area around crystals is the last to be consumed. The other 3 crystals we know 1 was destroyed and the other 2 finished absorbing the magic from the land. The entire point of the crystals in the narrative was initially to destroy magic as cid believed but he was wrong. but for speculations sake. There is even credence given to the red moons light going out when magic was lost, curios to see if metia is where Ultima was heading. Hopefully we get more content somehow. Side note 2 of the Ultima clones are stuck in 2 remaining crystals, also the reason Ultima thanked Joshua for returning one of his brothers from the crystal to him. Still some threads remaining if they wanna do a Dion/leviathan DLC(assuming its the medicine girl)

Also I went back and watched your XV videos - specifically your Ep Prompto/ending one - and Max's opinion IS ENTIRELY CONSISTENT!!! Even back then in his Prompto video he was saying what he loved about the game was the "variety of gameplay segments" and the "character swapping". It's not just him having like nostalgia blinders or whatever, his opinion is consistent between back then and now! You can go watch for yourselves and see it lines up! He didn't just pull it out of his ass because of 16 disappointment or whatever. He was saying the same exact things FIVE YEARS AGO about why he loved 15! :) And it's what I love about it too! I like variety in MY gameplay segments too!

@Plasmacat1

Жыл бұрын

He played Royale. FF15 at launch was pure trash and just incomplete, chapter 13 originally was rage quit material for so many and rhe patch didn't really made it that much better. I'm sorry but even if I did ended liking the bros, the way that game was handled in everything was God awful.

@MistaAwesome26

Жыл бұрын

I think he said at the beginning of the play through that 15 was his second favorite FF? I could be misremembering but he actually holds in pretty high regard and I respect it even if I don’t agree.

@paulsurratt2005

Жыл бұрын

@@Plasmacat1 doesnt matter what vanilla was. How 15 is now compared to what 16 is now is what matters. When 16 has DLC that will be what people compare with.

@StriderZessei

Жыл бұрын

@@Plasmacat1 keep moving goalposts, lol

@Manthathasspiderlikepowers

Жыл бұрын

It’s funny seeing people say they prefer XV while at the same time dragging xvi for things it does better than XV. Like side quests and characters and actually launching like a complete game.

My score is also 8/10. Finished it last night🎉. Great game! I do feel though, the variety of enemies, weapons, armour (would have liked to look different) would have made this game so much better. Also the lack of finding great loot randomly was not there. Kinda sucks. And his basic combos were too short - wanted him to do more with sword instead of just the basic 4 - hit combo😢

Basically, Clive doesn’t have a ‘Vegeta’ or ‘Piccolo’ to challenge or disagree with him.

So the Director's commentary book came out and he did confirm that while the true author of the book is still ambiguous (and left intentionally up to interpretation), the events of the game did happen and that book at the end by "Joshua Rosfield" is a historical account not a fiction.

@zacatkinson3926

9 ай бұрын

where di you see this?

The one thing this games final boss does right that most other games get wrong is using ALL the weapons and abilities you have gathered throughout the game in cutscenes!

@NeroV1L3

Жыл бұрын

It's not super uncommon in very anime type games like this one honestly. Badass nonetheless

I still wish I knew more about certain things way earlier, like Typhon. What was his deal?

Great ideas about camping and bonding with torgal. Tree fort scene with the Torgmeister was the best part of the game for me. Plus, Great music.

I'm more surprised Max thinks so highly of XV's story especially on Regis and Noctis relationship considering they didn't have one in the game and they retconned Bahamut to be the cause of the Darkness in the world which renders Noctis sacrifice less tragic.

@darthdan

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, as much as I like XV... there was a lot of emptyness in the world and pacing issues.. more so than XVI by a large margin. However I did feel better about XV's ending (Royal) than XVI's, it may be a personal preference thing... Overall enjoyed both games quite a bit :)

@Paraguai123

Жыл бұрын

Either he played the complete version of the game (all the DLCs) or he played only base game which he might be remembering the story being good because he was on a different state of mind at the point.

@TheAssirra

Жыл бұрын

@@Paraguai123 He played Royal (all DLC) and mentions this multiple times.

@Rithysak101

Жыл бұрын

​@@TheAssirrawhich makes his interpretation of the story even more wrong.

@MistaAwesome26

Жыл бұрын

Right! I feel like I liked 15 but really I liked the everything around the games narrative. I liked hunts that were gigantic and random high lvl shit pulling up on me. it’s also impossible to forget driving for literally 5-10 minutes even if it is automatic cause I needed to save fast travel money 💀

i still cant fucking believe they did a title drop at the end

one of my biggest letdowns were all of the main mothercrystal cities being just barely used in story stages... cant go explore a new city hub with new vendors, things to do, things to see.... in FF titles one of my favorite moments was reaching a new city with new people and cultures.

@Rithysak101

Жыл бұрын

It's pretty much impossible to achieve the scale of the city of the older titles like FFIV VI and VII because those titles had 1 screen and few NPCs to talk to.

@willuigi64

Жыл бұрын

@@Rithysak101there are ways to design around it.

@nathanfeinman5816

Жыл бұрын

@@Rithysak101 Even if we only saw a small part of the city, it still would have been cool. I was excited at the beginning of the game when we went to the first couple towns, but I quickly realized how similar they all were to each other.

@Rithysak101

Жыл бұрын

​@@willuigi64yeah 7remake made a game based on 1 City of the original game.

@bigballs7911

Жыл бұрын

@@Rithysak101of which you explore maybe 10% of, pretty much proving the guys point.

Pero Maximiliano, estimado y querido, ¿ 7 horas de video?... recién estoy por la parte 5 , voy a terminar esta saga de videos en el 2024 con suerte 💪 😂. Excelente contenido como siempre , abrazos.

The final fantasy are the friends we made along the way

Without knowing whether Clive is alive or not, one thing I've been stuck on is how Jill's entire story feels pointless now if he is dead. Not to sound like a hopeless romantic, but it really doesn't make sense to me to just kill that entire story arc when so much time was invested into those infernal side quests and of course all of the main story plot points. Joshua's death felt kind of inevitable as soon as he absorbed Ultima, yet he too may also be alive with Clive being all powerful when he uses the Phoenix's power on him (he of course could have just healed the wound). But if Clive is dead, it just feels unnecessarily sad and I don't really know what to make of that. I think the main narrative of the game holds up throughout, but I am in total agreement with Max, it's probably capped at an 8/10 due to all of these little quality of life things that made the game drag on and on, ultimately taking the immersion and excitement for the main story away.

@victor_734

11 ай бұрын

Agreed I think it would have been a better ending with Clive returning to Jill

@Mike-hy8cs

11 ай бұрын

Clive is alive because he wrote the story in joshuas name. There is a side quest also that hints at this before the game ends. The only one who died is Joshua.

@celfhelp

11 ай бұрын

i kinda don't really understand the way they pretended it was "open to interpretation", because i think it's pretty clear that Clive survived (save for his hand. lol) for many reasons, especially because of all those final sidequests as evidenced by what they've done in FFXIV, CBU3's writers are never pointlessly bleak, and the trend throughout all of their work so far is "hope", including like all of this game that said, i *don't* particularly like how they did Yote dirty in the end, but i'm biased because Yote rules, so it is what it is

Finished it last weekend and I really enjoyed it. I do agree Torgal was underutilized. Wish they would have given him some extra abilities Like if you did a thrust and sick the enemy at the same time it gives you some extra stagger or maybe a different type of animation. Like move specific situations. I think that would have been cool. With that being said Torgals final quest is probably one of my favorites in the game.

@SSlash

11 ай бұрын

If you follow up like any move that would normally do knockback with a torgal attack you do get a precision sic/ravage, not the same as a unique follow up to EVERY move but still, that kinda very precise extra input is a thing, and he does do more damage when you do those

How I interpret the ending is Joshua actually getting revived because Clive did give back the Flames of the Phoenix to him after Ultima. So after he got revived sometime pass and he immortalizes their experience of the world before and what they had to go through to get the world that the "present" has.

to be honest, I liked XV more and 7 remake infinitely more... but 16 is one of my favs this year. I couldn't put it down. But I do agree with Max criticisms. It dragged a bit later on. 8 is a bit harsh but I think it's fair

@Fodimin

4 ай бұрын

I feel like 8 is too high compared to what he actually said lmao

Story was great, gameplay was great, characters were great, and it released as a complete game that doesn’t need to be sold to us through future dlc or things like movies. Easy 9/10 of enjoyment on it

@ademirc5937

Жыл бұрын

It was a decent game. The highs were very high but the lows were so bottom of the barrel low. Pacing, exploration, customization, side quests and loot were all big issues. Also, if you really sit and think about it for a few minutes, Valesthea as a whole doesn't make any sense at all from a geography standpoint. This constantly killed my immersion throughout the game because the devs created Valesthea and the rules that govern it but then constantly contradicted their own rules. Regardless, I platinumed it. I give it a 7 outta 10

@Crevox

Жыл бұрын

They already said they are looking into DLC if fans show interest They also already setup the story for DLC with Kihel

@Manthathasspiderlikepowers

11 ай бұрын

@@ademirc5937 I didn’t think there were really any lows. I enjoyed the game world and the characters in it and always messing around with the gameplay options. I don’t get where everyone is coming from saying the lows are so low. And for pacing probably the worst part was doing those few quests for the ship Mid was putting together, but those didn’t take much time to do at all.

@Manthathasspiderlikepowers

11 ай бұрын

@@ademirc5937 in what way does the game world not make sense? What is that even supposed to mean

@Manthathasspiderlikepowers

11 ай бұрын

@@Crevox giving fans dlc after if they want it bad enough isn’t the same as what they did with XV though lol. Would be happy to get something though

every boss feels like a final boss and yet the final boss just fizzled out like a precursor to a final boss....

@retepoteil

10 ай бұрын

I feel like after the bahamut fight it did kinda decline. That was a hard fight to top

Did Max skipped the Eloise and Theo sidequest at the end? My tears won't stop coming out at that scene.

I remember I absolutely loved the hell out of this game after I finished it. But then about 2 weeks later I thought deep amd hard that there were some things I wasn't happy/pleased about parts. I don't wanna pretend its a 10/10 game. It's not. But yea after Cid dies, the games pacing falls off hard. And wayyyyyyyy to many sidequests after they drop the final boss fight at the end. And just in general. But overall I still had fun with the game

I didn't really care much for Ultima as a villain, but that final boss fight was spectacular. Such a salty god even till the end. Also R.I.P. Twitch's bit rate, especially during that Eikon fight - that must've been hard to see what the hell was going on when watching this live. Max arguing with Twitch chat regarding what happened to Clive at the end was one of the funniest things I've seen in a while.

@Waytothedawn63

Жыл бұрын

Ultima was a good fight, and then they decided to be cringelords by having you cinematic clash his teeth for max damage.

@slipknotron1626

Жыл бұрын

I loved how cold Ultima was.

@juliogomesdesouza9035

Жыл бұрын

​@@slipknotron1626Cold? Lil bro is the main villain that gave Clive his powers and starts having a tantrum "Nauuur this power isn't yours to haveee😢😢😢" like how am I supposed to take this guy seriously in a franchise that has villains like Garland Sephiroth and Kefka. He is to me one of the worst villains in the franchise.

@marquisepixley684

11 ай бұрын

​@@juliogomesdesouza9035I disagree with you

@Yungie201

11 ай бұрын

@@Waytothedawn63 You're such a hater. Stfu Elden Ring fanboy

The reason why it can’t be a tale told by someone not in the story is because it is narrated by Clive. Other Final Fantasy games that have had a narrator or historian tell the tales have used a different voice actor for it. But here, we have Clive narrating which together with other pieces of evidence shows he wrote the book.

Defo one of my top three ffs - FFXIV, FFX, FFXVI ❤❤❤

for me it was a 9 out of 10. Cried at the end and i had much fun. After the FF7 games and FF10 games my favourite FF-game.

@CrimsonFIame

Жыл бұрын

7 out of 10 for me.

@kevinlopez555

Жыл бұрын

Same.. 9/10

@Persona3Yukari

Жыл бұрын

same :D 9/10

@abztrackt

Жыл бұрын

9/10

@kaisen3

Жыл бұрын

7/10

The fun combat and beautiful visuals made the game for me. Does not necessarily go on my favorites video games of all time but it was definitely worth the time. 8/10 or 83 out of 100 score

@mavvynne444

Жыл бұрын

9.5/10 94/100

@mohammedhany5640

11 ай бұрын

@@mavvynne444you mean 95/100 ?

@lightsaber00

11 ай бұрын

I agree I would rate it 8.5/10 . Graphics 10 Story 9.5 Soundtrack 10 Combat 7,5 Exploration 7

Anyone notice that the moons that clive and Jill see are different? Clive's Moon is ours.

I appreciate the old sharlayan music during the overall review section, good choice👍🏾

@aizadlove

11 ай бұрын

I heard it too, Old Sharlayan day theme FFXIV 💯

I’ve never seen a game where so MANY people are divided on, but then again it’s Final Fantasy, and every new final fantasy is something innovative/different. And the fan base will always be divided on it. But I agree on the some points made in Max’s Review mostly about the story and middle point, it’s like the side quests took the main priority over the story in the 2nd time skip. But the Eikon Battles, Music, Characters in the first half, it really drove me in. The amount of talking for side quests reminded me on Witcher 3 but without choices. Anyway idk about liking FFXV more than XVI is.. definitely a interesting take but I can say that the rpg elements in that game is DEFINITELY what was needed in XVI, I just hope FFXVI has DLC to expand upon, or do a Persona 5 and make everything 10x better heck even make Ultima actually interesting. All in all it was a amazing epic experience, although I felt the length halfway through its a solid 8.5/10

I think 16 is pretty high on my list of Final Fantasies because it was what i love about Final Fantasy (and its so lovely how we all like different things about FF). It delivered memorable music, beautiful character moments, and bombastic setpieces. And as someone did not click with Noctis or Lightning it was very nice to have a FF where I **really** like the main character. I agree that I wish the game was a bit harder because I didn't feel like I *needed* to use my abilities in creative ways

I just assumed Josh wrote the book before the final battle, and it's been published and passed down through the ages. I never considered that this could all have been a fairy tale from a book. I like that interpretation.

has anyone wondering why there aren’t any choir chant in the ultimalius boss when it’s usually the case in every end of a boss fight?

man that torgal side quest kille me!!!!

My biggest gripe are the time skips since they skipped such important moments. The first time skips Clive coming to terms that Josh is dead, being enslaved to the empire, branded and put into its military force and a once royal member now being discriminated The second time skips the hideout slaughter aftermath, the people mourning the loss of Cid and others, building the new hideout, and new people coming in. Clive growing to be a leader of hope. They could've removed all the side quest junk to fill this and enrich the story.

@gehtdichnichtsan2418

Жыл бұрын

"The Side quest junk" which literally filled and enriched exactly that part. Like.. huh? Almost all side quests had to deal with all the consequences that happened through Clives decisions.

@Rithysak101

Жыл бұрын

​@@gehtdichnichtsan2418especially the Otto side quest.

@SuperMandibleclaw

Жыл бұрын

the "side quest junk" DID enrich the story

@ssantos88

Жыл бұрын

The first time skip wasn’t bad, but the second one definitely could have been hold until Clive set himself as the new leader and all.

@InkPrince

Жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but I would've rather it be implemented as main story scenarios and not the piss job side quests have done to attempt to keep me engaged in its content pretty much disconnecting the story. It's not very good story telling hearing people's opinions and feelings after a large jump in time especially how dramatic these moments were. I would've rather wanted to see everything play out at each moment. There was no reason to time skip at all imo

Where's the review? Somewhere in the 7 hour meandering workday of playing? Great review. Thanks

I agree with Max on having more things like minigames, variety, utilizing the tools the battle system has to offer and the general conflict whether it's an action game or an RPG. I think for the DLC they should have new superbosses with completely different attack patterns and minigames. The ending I think is kind of left from many perspectives. Which you can get from playing the last of the side quests. FF mode is a lot more fun. I felt that FF16 did address a lot of criticisms for FF13 and FF15 which it focused on worldbuilding and side characters more. Which was great.

Clive really did just say “We are the Final Fantasy 16.”

@valk5041

Жыл бұрын

🔥🔥✍️✍️

@StriderZessei

Жыл бұрын

Marvel dialogue, smh.

Ultima(tely), I don’t remember a game for its lowest lows but for its highest highs, and FF16 had so many incredible highs that’ll stick with me.

@Music4ndMe

Жыл бұрын

I see what you did there

@GuyWithAnAmazingHat

Жыл бұрын

Straight up FF16 is a game that becomes worse the more you think about it, just stick with your initial impressions of the Eikon spectacles and stop thinking. It is like a summer block buster e.g. Fast and Furious, if you want to enjoy it, don't use your brain, just enjoy the adrenaline and explosions.

@yoloalchemist

Жыл бұрын

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHatI know other people who genuinely enjoy the lore in this game. That implies this game can be fun to think about.

@GuyWithAnAmazingHat

Жыл бұрын

@@yoloalchemist Lore and story is different, lore of anything is always enjoyable, so I'll specify now that the story becomes worse the more you think about it. As soon as Ultima revealed his plan, the entire story and the character intrigue just falls apart. Everything was just Ultima pulling the strings, none of the characters' struggles were real, countries had no real political reasons, all the citizens were just suffering because Ultima wanted to feed Eikons to Clive. Annabelle was "evil" because of Ultima, Dion and his father was because of Ultima, Garuda, Titan, Odin, all of them were just manipulated by Ultima. None of their motivations and goals mattered, because it was just Ultima using them.

@HHTwice

Жыл бұрын

@@GuyWithAnAmazingHatwrong, Ultima exploited all of said characters flaws if you really paid attention, your analysis is weak, the only character Ultima directly controlled was Olivier, Annabelle’s son she made with the Emperor, did you actually play the game?

Finally finished it. Thanks for your review max. I feel pretty much the exact same way. An 8/10 from me as well

I thought the book at the end was Joshua's diary that over time was retold and seen as a story as so much time went on

I also agree that they should've just went all in on the action game part, and cut out the RPG elements. I think that was basically my main gripe with the game, because the parts towards the end of the game where they kept throwing tons of harder enemies and bosses was the most fun I've had gaming in a while. The combat system is so fucking tight and satisfying, I wish they got rid of the trash mobs, and the slower parts of the story, and made it way more action oriented. However, the story had me gripped the whole fucking time, and I really feel that this is a pivotal game for the FF series. I'm so happy it exists. 9/10 for me

Max had less emotion to the deaths/ending than flipping off a light swith. Crazy

@paulsurratt2005

Жыл бұрын

cause the characters were flat as hell

@oof8888

Жыл бұрын

@@paulsurratt2005definitely not ,Joshua was amazing

@patchtactic

Жыл бұрын

He didn't feel any attachment from the characters and wasn't memorable enough.

@dmurray2978

Жыл бұрын

Ending was blah, why did Ultima even need Clive if Ultima still attained his final form etc

@StriderZessei

Жыл бұрын

@RicochetForce thanks for using crap statements like "objectively worse," so we know not to take a single thing you say seriously.

For me, i would of loved a reason to explore the world. To actually find weapons, gear, to be rewarded for discovery. They have this amazing looking overworld sections with nothing in there to do or find. Like you say, it's just talk to an NPC, head to the area to fight a mob and then go back. Weapons is just talk to the blacksmith or Charol to buy a new one. I feel like the blacksmith should be focused on upgrading stuff you can find in the world, because it's either broken, or unknown material. Also, gil served no purpose because I ended up with 230,000 gil and couldn't understand what to spend it on.

When I finished my first thought was Joshua was revived or he was Anne Franked with his journal

On discussion of Torgal - Dissapointed not being able to play with his stats etc, but also when using him, if your d-pad wasn't selected correctly, I'd end up using like 3 potions or the attk/def potion instead of telling him to attack, which eventually just put me off using him altogether

@TigraSpartan

Жыл бұрын

skill issue

@pb5335

Жыл бұрын

@@TigraSpartan this lol

@IBlackSanta

Жыл бұрын

​@@TigraSpartandefinitely 😂

@catatonic165

Жыл бұрын

Dont mash and just pay attention lmao

@pedroportela6476

Жыл бұрын

Literal Skill Issue. Though I can't say I'm any better since the same shit kept happening to me. Only I didn't blame the game for my lack of attention.

I hardly have a game emotionally rock me to my core and this was one of those games I needed. The ending definitely got to me after spending so much time in this world and it's characters. I can't often say the same thing with other games except maybe Xenoblade as a whole. If this somehow gets DLC, I'd be back on this game frame 1 without a doubt. But I do agree with how little variety there is in terms of gameplay. No real minigames to do. Just main story and side quests with hunts, but even that goes into amping yourself up along the way. By the end, I found myself to be busted and more so when entering NG+. Still in the works on that Platinum trophy, though, at the time of writing this.

Well im looking towards dlc now. Those doors we couldn't open during the main game. Then mention Leviathan but never get to see it. On top of that Ultima takes Typhoon at the beginning so we never get to get him. They could add on to the hunt list since the Behemoth fight was close to the end it could be a hunt for another one. Its still more they can add to it

53:36 - "It's just Clive, which is more than can be said for you." Stone cold burn brought to you by the dialogue skip.

I’ll eventually play this game but my brother was super hyped about FF XVI that he ended up buying the collectors edition with the ifrit statue. A week after buying the game I asked him how he liked it and he was not a fan of the combat and story 😅.

I never got too far into ff15 but i imagine the reason some of you liked it more is because the pacing was maybe better? From what ive seen you spend a ton of time with your main cast of characters and thats always important if you want to make a game thats very memorable

@theninja2k14

Жыл бұрын

He played royal that's why not base ff15

@bushisback112

Жыл бұрын

​@@RicochetForceThats right, royal is the version I own as well but I thought all it came with was the extra DLC

@eazybaby5094

Жыл бұрын

@@RicochetForce 15 had a better world/exploration balance for sure. You could stumble on optional dungeons, you had costumes to find, 15 did some things right. 16 is still overall better for the focused narrative, but 15 royal, especially has character switching, exploration, etc. which this game does not.

@amnos180188

Жыл бұрын

I played the original FF15 and honestly as much as I love the game and the concept, the deliverance of the story is so bad. The exploration was great though seeing its open world but FF16 could easily rectify that imo. Honestly I'm actually fine with only being able to control Clive. What I do want is them fleshing out side characters more like Dion or Cid. Exploration could be made better if there are actually stuffs to explore instead of just random monsters in empty maps. Throw in some secret dungeons etc and all are good imo. I felt like I'm playing GoW when exploring honestly lol

@jlit5215

Жыл бұрын

What ff16 struggles with is character relationships outside the main story. I feel like it was a colossal mistake to not have more overworld dialogue and personal side quest. For example, the only character in the game that I felt had a shining personality was Cid. He was filled with, but other characters didn’t have nearly as much. And it shows, it’s hard to name any of jill or Joshua’s personalities outside the basic noble hero stuff. If the game simply even had more overworld the character relationships would feel real. You can run around the areas for hours doing side quest and the characters don’t say a peep. This could be easily remedied but it just wasn’t

i wish the combat allowed you more control of Jill and Joshua ot other party members instead of them just essentially being decorations in your combat

Sorry, how many hours again?

I feel like there were things that were cut out of the game to make DLC, but they didn't do it all that well and left big questions behind. Like how Cid knew who Ultima was when he saw it. Or how the only mention about leviathan is the 1 cutscene with joshua (there isn't even an entry in the lore to explain what happened). Or how there were 3 crystals broken before the game begun (this one was only mentioned in the lore entries).

@owenburke3532

Жыл бұрын

Hes called leviathan the lost bc it hasnt appeared in hundreds of years and is irrelavent to the current plot. Not rly cut content just an open part of worldbuilding that could potentially make a dlc. And cid used to be affiliated with barnabas so i can see how he knows about ultima and how he knows the mothercrystals are bad. All this is just implied

@kuromaruTV

Жыл бұрын

リヴァイアサンについては、バハムート領の語り部のお姉さんも後半話してますね あとパッケージにも載ってるのでDLCになにかしらあると信じたい

@muhash14

Жыл бұрын

Cid was working for Barnabas alongside Benedikta before he left. And Barnabas is explicitly serving Ultima the entire time.

Honestly I totally get your opinions on this game, for me this was what ff7 was for you. As a late fan into the series this ff genuinely gave me everything I ever wanted. Ffxv i agree felt a lot better at the end but man if I don't feel changed after playing this one, so many tears. And am i the only one that got Clive as the author of the book???? I swear I didn't get Joshua, i did do every single thing before doing the final mission so maybe that's why. And ultima being a god loosing faith in his creation is something i dont see a whole lot and I loved that, even if he did speak a little too much

@andreseh87

11 ай бұрын

This game was so goddamn great. Not without its flaws sure. But Max is not giving it the credit it deserves.

the ending was ashuras wrath as fuck and the fact his final form goes from crazy sephiroth looking angelic to alien to kaiju to warrior of light and calling himself something similar “reborn bathed in light” it was epic as hell hell most of the kaiju battle moments were overall this game had alot of dmc and ashuras wrath dna encoded into its core ngl and it was absolutely a solid game not the beat ff entry but def the best weve had in a while and a very solid title in the franchise

Not too bad in the end. Thanks again for letting us watch you play it.

I noticed that the background in space is the same as Final Fantasy Remake... In both games, it was called " Edge of Creation"...

Come on Max! Clive took Josh’s name as he took Cids. Remember how he told Tomes maybe someday he would write a book of his adventures?! Nice playthrough!

@andreseh87

11 ай бұрын

He wasn’t invested so of course he goes for the laziest interpretation

@nickbusker725

11 ай бұрын

@@andreseh87 never took max for the type. Unfortunate

@zacatkinson3926

9 ай бұрын

They all three lived too,Yes Joshua was resurrected, its obvious

4:04:40 holy hell I almost pissed myself!!! XDDD Joshua caught major air!

The thing with clive's journey beyond the revenge is how ideals in which we uphold as good is put in different context in times where ideals of slavery and forced indoctrination were "necessary". Even though we know for sure its the right thing to do, many subjects being subjugated would willingly refuse to be saved due to indoctrination and out of fear. Take something you know is inherently wrong in current society but is considered normal. Try to change that and there will be forces that is against you, I feel this is the same struggle clive goes through.

But in my opinion, 16 is the best FF entry i've played since FFX although with minor flaws. Without using all the nitpicks other people are throwing at it that they never do for any other game lol.

@someGalka

11 ай бұрын

There are literally ZERO games that no one has nitpicked about. Literally lol~ You are allowed to like 16 even if people dislike the game or disagree. It's not mutually exclusive and 16 is not infallible.

@patchtactic

11 ай бұрын

​​​​​@@Bahamut998You should check your sources before posting wrong information. 15 is still the best selling mainline FF in terms of the timespan it has had since its release. It sold 80%+ more copies than 16 and FF7Remake in their 1st week sales. Vanilla FF14 almost killed the company but thankfully Yoshida and his team fixed the game.

@galaxy_kitten95

11 ай бұрын

@@patchtacticDid you forget that XV is also MULTI PLATFORM? Of course it sold more units. That’s a given. XVI is a timed PS5 exclusive (same case with VII remake), also selling over 3 Million units isn’t that bad for its release.

@patchtactic

11 ай бұрын

@@galaxy_kitten95 I was merely stating from my previous reply that 15 did well and it didn't made SE suffer financially, wasn't trying to discredit 16 and 7remake.

Yeah I liked the game slightly more than Max did but overall I agree with a lot of his criticisms. I personally thought because the highs(the Eikon battles specifically and major boss fights) were just so damn high that the sections in between all be it good felt very middling and boring in some respects, making us perceive them as what we would refer to as the "lows" of a game even though they were more average. Overall It was like a 8.5/10 or 9/10(depending how I feel at a given moment) for me. Love the direction they are taking and I hope they just keep improving on this formula in the future.

@andreseh87

11 ай бұрын

Totally agree with you. It’s a beautiful game not without its flaws. But where it soars it soars - the characters, the combat, the epic cinematic moments.

People in the game : "By the Founder" Ultima : "Well, actually..."

@pogoacct8611

11 ай бұрын

The founder isnt Ultima. He, the Founder, was one of the fallen. After their crushing defeat at the hands of Ultima, the founder decided to cut his losses and stop moping around like everyone else among the wreckage and start building a small tent for himself. Then a hut, then a house. Others saw him building and decided to join him and before long they had a small village, then a town and it kept growing from there to eventually become Rasaria

You'll probably never see this but I think you should have a part released of this with the long version of your thoughts on the game. I saw your FF7R run and really wanted as much of your thoughts on it as possible and it was cut short, just like this one. Maybe it's just me but your thoughts on the game is why I watch this. And yeah it's on twitch but depending on when people see this, that'll be gone

Maybe I'm missing something but I always took the book during the post credits scene as actually being written by Joshua. Clive uses the Phoenix power to heal Joshua after he beats Ultima, and it's not out of the question that he (magically or otherwise) got Joshua out of origin.

@kinggoldark3853

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. People are projecting their own hopes onto the ending and wishing that Clive somehow makes it. I don’t like that Clive dies any more than they do, and I think it was no better than when Noctis bit the big one in XV. There’s no way he lived. He used Phoenix’s healing power and Ultima’s creation power to resurrect Joshua and then burned himself out completely. He’s dead. Metia blinking out is as symbolic as it gets. Joshua wrote the book to honor Clive’s sacrifice and to preserve the history. It’s not more complicated than it appears.

@oof8888

Жыл бұрын

@@kinggoldark3853makes no sense , he didn’t resurrect him Joshua was already dead he just healed his body so it won’t look bad

@kinggoldark3853

Жыл бұрын

@@oof8888 You wrote this in a different thread and I replied to you there. In short, this only makes sense if your interpretation of the ending is that Clive lived and wrote the book in Joshua’s name, so Joshua must be dead. Clive is not Amerigo Bonasera from the Godfather, cleaning up Joshua’s body for an open casket funeral. He resurrected his brother after he absorbed the power that let him do so.

@michaelhammond1389

Жыл бұрын

the power of the phoinex grants the user to heal not bring people back from the dead, clive was just mending the wounds because he couldnt bare to see him in that state

@kinggoldark3853

Жыл бұрын

@@michaelhammond1389 Ultima can create from nothing. Clive absorbs his power just before he resurrects Joshua.

I really enjoyed this game...but the slow areas in the game (quests and such) really hurt the game in my opinion. I'm with you where I think I enjoyed 15 a little more. Overall its still a good game.

I really want a DLC where you could play a different path with more RPG elements and where you could recruit and play as the dominants and maybe even play as Joshua the whole game through his perspective and maybe even gain a new ending through him.

The Endwalker track at the end threw me for a loop.