IS CLIVE ALIVE OR ARE PEOPLE JUST HUFFING COPIUM? Let me know below!

@komorabodai7854

Жыл бұрын

He be alive in my opinion!

@thefinalfighter2578

Жыл бұрын

It’s really up to you what you want to believe. I personally believe he survived. The side quests hint at his survival and I think of them as easter eggs for people who completed them. But there really isn’t any right or wrong answer until the developers specifically tell us which I don’t think will happen.

@Athreous

Жыл бұрын

Clive is dead. Joshua might be alive, since he wrote the book, but it'd also be someone who inherited his name and wrote the book... But by no means Clive is alive. It's sad, but true.

@Pizzadelivery24

Жыл бұрын

I just hate that this is a thing that we don’t legitimately know 100% stuck with fan theories for what may be years or worse forever.

@mr_fckface8285

Жыл бұрын

⁠@@Athreousule #1 if they don’t show someone die, they can be alive. They specifically showed his hand turning to stone but lingered on it for a second and you can see the curse stop at the wrist, they wouldn’t show that if it was meaningless. There’s also the matter of the hints in the song lyrics and side quests that point to Clive being alive. And I don’t believe Yoshi P would put these stuff in the game just to eventually say “He’s dead lol”

Honestly felt bad for Gav the most. He's Cid's most loyal ally and even after his passing, Gav still continued to support his cause. When he saw Jill crying and starts to break down himself, that's where I lost it. Gav already lost two Cids. This game really has a lot of interesting character outside of the main ones (Clive, Jill, Cid, Torgal and Joshua). Gav, Goetz, Mid, Charon, Byron and many others from the hideaway and I haven't felt this attached to these side characters since FFIX.

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

I never though Gav would become one of my favorites but I'm right there with you!

@Foogi9000

Жыл бұрын

​@@RogersBaseGav was a real one, he mostly worked behind the scenes gathering Intel and delving deep into enemy lines as a spy. Without him Clive's story would've ended at his return to Rosalith.

@kitaisuru

Жыл бұрын

Have you done Gav's sidequest before clearing the game?

@Foogi9000

Жыл бұрын

@@kitaisuru No I haven't, I'm in ng+ so I'll probably do it as I usually reserve side quests for a second playthrough where I don't feel the need to know what happens next.

@theseekersoflight2271

Жыл бұрын

I would add Dion to your list he is very well written too

I literally broke down ugly crying and Torgal howling at the moon was the breaking point. Man, this game is an absolute masterpiece!

@Animacon312

Жыл бұрын

Sammmeeeeee

@yamz1156

11 ай бұрын

It was Jill covering her mouth and running outside for me

What a 'magical' scene how the boy made fire manually without using magic crystals. That was the world cid and clive are dreaming of.

@factorywatch

10 ай бұрын

Nice catch

Square please stop killing my favorite protagonist or making them suffer this like the third time now

@leonardocamisa1471

11 ай бұрын

he’s alive

@tigervil8418

11 ай бұрын

He wrote the book he only lost his arm. He said something about when hes going to put his sword to rest hes going to write (sorry i dont remember the exact lines but you can see this scene in a secondary mission is the one about getting a dragon flower)

@wolflord9422

11 ай бұрын

I said the same, I wept like an infant, twice. Then Dion not getting the flower gift. I thought FF would have mercy this time around lol

@josecalderon8133

11 ай бұрын

@@tigervil8418 cap the flame went out he died he probably wrote the book beforehand predicting his own death

@tigervil8418

11 ай бұрын

@@josecalderon8133 the flame went out because he destroy the last crystal magic stopped existing after

The fact that you can argue whichever angle you want when interpreting the ending is perhaps the best example of this game really nailing it’s theme of “living and dying by your own choices”. We can choose for ourselves if we think Clive has survived or not, and what better way than that is there for the devs to put us into his shoes with this theme in mind. Banger video btw!

@Pizzadelivery24

Жыл бұрын

this helps me some in dealing with it thx

@strife9878

Жыл бұрын

Where do we go from here ? ...... XVI 2 or straight to XVII ?

@starrynight4602

Жыл бұрын

​@strife9878 pretty sure it would be ff17..

@jlb7989

Жыл бұрын

@@restfulori212 I honestly want a confirmation if he is alive or not.

@slaydro33

Жыл бұрын

I’m pretty sure he died since he was turning to stone in the end, it’s more like if Joshua survived for since the book was made by him

Every time i watch this ending and Joshua’s death. Always makes me cry. These characters been through so much

@mobpsy1526

Жыл бұрын

Thankfully he is alive

@omarelmi

11 ай бұрын

@mobpsy1526 no conformation

@Justsomerandomdude397

9 ай бұрын

@@mobpsy1526there’s literally no confirmation of Joshua nor Clive being alive

Man, that cut from Clive holding his baby brother's hand to him holding his (baby) brother's body...

The ending had me almost cry I spent 50 hours getting to love these characters and emotionally invest my self into them and the ending had me tearing up like no tomorrow

This was my first final fantasy game. I really enjoyed it. There were parts around the halfway point that really dragged but overall it was an enjoyable experience. I loved the cast and Clive is one of the greatest video game protagonists I’ve ever seen. Ultima when it comes to villains though was very generic and one dimensional. As a character, he’s pretty subpar. But when I was playing through the final boss at 7 am staying up all night Sunday night/Monday morning determined to finish the game, I thought about something. Clive is literally facing his inner demon. The fight all takes place in Clive’s head. So when you think about that, Ultima is a much better psychological threat and works much better as a concept than as a villain. An antagonist can be anything, and Ultima is definitely meant to be a villain, but he really serves as a great psychological threat and concept for Clive to overcome at the end of the game and complete his arc. When I started thinking about Ultima that way, I came to appreciate him a lot more. He’s not a good villain, but he’s a good antagonist

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

This perfectly put into words why I wasn't bothered by Ultima in FF16 the same way I was bothered by Z in Xenoblade Chronicles 3. Well done.

@robitussinbrohan718

Жыл бұрын

@@RogersBase it’s funny you compare both of those characters as they are voiced by the same actor and they both reside inside Origin…

@absolutefool9577

Жыл бұрын

Ultima definitely had more of a presence than Z

@mobpsy1526

Жыл бұрын

When Benedikta already had a strong villain presence I had high expectations for the Antagonist. Felt disappointed when I realized it will be generic Ultima, but the last mission made it better through ways you describe. Fun fact: Xenogears (arguably best jrpg story ever) had the same thing that god wants humans only to recreate himself, but the real Antagonist is the Barnabas of Xeno who wants to free humans from suffering. That felt much better.

@robitussinbrohan718

Жыл бұрын

@@mobpsy1526 I thought Miang was the main antagonist though. Not Krellian. I guess I could see him too, but I feel that Miang was the one who really instigated the entire plot.

I really thought Ultima was a great villain for the story. He didn't feel shoehorned in and the game left so many hints towards his existence. He plays well into the games central themes and is a great foil for Clive and Cid's ideals

@darkscoutergamer6168

Жыл бұрын

Il definitely need to play NG+ and such to see if I really like última cause tbh the final boss was insane and cool but the way they presented him didn’t sell it quite well for me but we’ll see,glad to see you enjoyed him

@YourEverydaySheep

Жыл бұрын

@@darkscoutergamer6168 I think he works better as a villain if you view him more as a concept that is in opposition to Clive's ideals similar to Z from Xenoblade 3 although I think Ultima works better in this story then Z did in Xenoblade

@darkscoutergamer6168

Жыл бұрын

@@YourEverydaySheep Oh no from that perspective I actually don’t mind I agree,it’s just I kinda am getting a bit tired of these RPGs(granted this one isn’t full RPG anyway) or games similar to FF to have this “kill god” at the end trope alot and really kinda just found that part a dip from the story but let me see if I play NG+ to see if my mind changes,still adore the game and the journey all the same

@LimpingAuRa-

Жыл бұрын

I agree. While they may not be the most charming, or relatable of villains, he works so well as Clive's idealistic opposition. Freedom vs control. I think this is the main theme of the game and it is consistently pushed throughout the entire game. Symbolized by the destruction of the mothercrystals. Also, it is also fitting for Clive to be the antagonist of Ultima. A god vs a character that is the embodiment of the human spirit. Throughout his life, Clive grew without the love of his mother, being casted as a slave, then free'd himself of it, became a rebel to bring a new world order, and then knowing love. He symbolizes the struggles of huma s. I really liked Clive as a character.

@pracitus

Жыл бұрын

​@@YourEverydaySheep he even was pulling the strings behind all wars and conflict

A sad dog that howls, real or fictional, breaks my heart every time. 😭😭😭

I finished the game yesterday and I have a feeling Clive is not dead. He published the "final fantasy" book under Joshua's name. The happocrates guy in the side quest did suggest Clive to pick up "pen" by resting his sword. Also the red star besides the moon vanishing probably means that Jill's wish of Clive returning back safely to her was fulfilled/granted. I don't know whether I'm overdosing on copium or not but thats what I interpreted out of the ending.

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

As much as I'd like for Clive to be alive, I took that bit with Jill and Torgal at the end to mean they knew he was dead but that they could still feel his spirit within them (similar to what Clive said after Joshua's "death")

@remisthinking

Жыл бұрын

@RogersBase I thought this too until I realised Clive is narrating the game, he starts and ends the game with narration similar to that of a book, there's also that Jill sidequest that implies Clive lives at the end, so I think Clive survived and published the book under Joshua's name, I don't think Clibe revived Joshua after fighting Ultima I think he just healed his body so he was presentable

@crysiser6440

Жыл бұрын

@@RogersBase Actually I am pretty sure that both Clive and Joshua are alive. Clive because of the rising sun and the song playing in the background and Joshua because well Clive literally healed him. All in all it's a very open ending.

@azmoazmoazmo

Жыл бұрын

@@crysiser6440 didnt joshua say at one point in the game that the pheonix's flame cannot raise the dead, only mend the flesh. I feel like it was said just for the ending. Clive healed joshua so he didnt stay a bloodied mess, just how people dress up their loved ones in nice clothes before burial.

@crysiser6440

Жыл бұрын

@@azmoazmoazmo Yeah but then how do you explain the book.

The cut from Joshua as a baby to Clive holding his dead body hurt my soul man

They really did Dion dirty in the end... Got reincarnated as a dog.

Salute to Dion. 17:45

Out of literally every reaction i've seen regarding the final fight of the game, this one came the closest to how i felt (especially Dion's sacrifice; i could rewatch that hundreds of times and still cry). After this, i got a lot of catching up to do regarding your content. Keep up the good work!

I chose to believe that Clive survived. CBU3 kept going on and on about paying attention to symbolism and quests. So with Jill’s whole Night and Dawn comment in a side quest unlocked right before the end, the quill, Clive’s talks about never breaking a promise again then promises everyone stuff, Vivian’s whole side quest before the end about how the truth depends on how many people believe in it, etc. They left it ambiguous and then gave us so many reasons to believe either direction Clive’s fate could’ve gone. They clearly want us to interpret it our own way so it was very easy for me to believe he’s still alive because I love happy endings.

@Leon-mv1bn

Жыл бұрын

I don't mind that if its open ended but... I get tired of them sometimes and just want a solid answer. Open ending are sometimes just cope out of happy endings/bad endings... even sometimes seems like they aren't sure themselves so they go with open ending.. That's just my opinion on these type of endings

@jengorman2246

Жыл бұрын

Love this interpretation and it's my cannon.

@lagrangewei

Жыл бұрын

pretty sure he is dead. that would fit the trend of Final Fantasy. =)

Joshua was so perfect. The whole main cast was fantastic but Joshua was pure from scene 1♡♡♡

My own brother's name is Joshua, and this game reminds me of it every time.

Lets just agree, the music was absolutely a banger all the way through. from the remixed tracks for garuda and titan, to the final fight, and the end scenes. Honestly. 10/10. I will say i do hope square gets enough y'know, reactions feedback etc, to get a DLC with jill and torgal and whomever else and atleast give us a 'happy' or y'know, atleast a better ending for the two, so they can move on. I've never really been attached to characters in a game outside of final fantasy 7 (mainly from childhood.) So this is really a first one that i've wanted a happy ending for a team of characters. I think if it was a DLC of jill and torgal adventuring with like Gav or something, and either finding a hospitalized clive as a 1 armed wonder, and jill and him can be happy im all for that, you know the MC had SO SO SO MUCH GROWTH. And the moral of the story was litterally living and surviving, them killing clive off just feels like a waste, and is nothing but tragic for Jill. They honestly deserve a happy ending i feel, not a bitter sweet one. ALTHOUGH. Damn you Square, you pulled them heart strings man, if that was their aim it was a masterpiece, i think it and zelda will easily EASILY buck for game of the year as of this moment. And it'll just come down to loyalist of Zelda vs the story telling of final fantasy 16. If it was a more 'happy' ending with clive and jill managing to be together in the end. (DLC CMON BBY) that be my game of the year for sure, it's already there honestly. That isn't to say square didnt do a bang up job either, the game was beautiful, gameplay was fun (You'll love FF mode, im enjoying it so much) And the ending was like, 99.99% perfect, but y'know, pray for DLC. Atleast in my eyes.

@Cryosxify

Жыл бұрын

I'd pay for an epilogue.

@blad3br3aker

Жыл бұрын

@@Cryosxify sameeeeee happily so. I mean the story of its self is beautiful too, even as is. It really was for a better world and the main hero/heroine doesn't always get a happy ending. BUT DAMMIT WE WANT IT FOR THESE CHARACTERS!

The starlight song is called My Star by Amanda Achen. But still cannot find it yet right now :(

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

I will add it to my Spotify the SECOND it drops

@aileene-ez9gx

Жыл бұрын

Bro you can hear it clearly in JP dub because they swapped the songs in credits. This is in JP> kzread.info/dash/bejne/haBpsreYXafZqJs.html Definitely Jill's theme and the lyrics speaks a lot about "My Star" not returning. I find it interesting that they changed what Jill says: "Daisuki, Clive (I love you, Clive)" to "You're my treasure" in the flower garden scene to match the song.

@suiro8455

Жыл бұрын

@@aileene-ez9gx Oh wow that is interesting

I love that the ending can be interpreted in multiple ways and it's up to us to choose their path - fits in well with the theme of the game. As for what the truth of the matter is? Well pending if the dev team ever deigns to grace us with the answer it doesn't really matter - another theme, highlighted with Vivian's and The Undying questlines - what people believe to be true, becomes true.

Call it copium or hopium or what not, I think Clive survived and we are reliving his story that he chronicled in the "Final Fantasy" book he wrote under Joshua Rosfield name (as Harpocrates suggested he should do in one of the sidequests) to honor his fallen brother. Clive narrates the game, the beginning sequence and the end sentence is also spoken by him and exactly how the book would begin and end. They could pick any other VA to do it, but they chose Ben aka Clive. Many clues from sidequests and how Jill acts in the end also point to it. People only talk about her crying, but almost no one speaks about her smiling at the dawn (sidequest reference). Metia vanishing/loosing her light can be interpreted as a falling star - granting wish. Many people think Joshua survived (maybe) but I don't think so, unfortunately, no one can bring dead back to life, not even the Phoenix (as it was stated in the story) and Ultima's powers doing it is just too random and pointless to the story to happen. I HOPE Square won't confirm or deny anything. Endings like this should be for the audience to interpret, there is no point to do it like so and then say it happen like this or that. Ending would loose it's purpose if they ever touch the subject.

@Max-my6rk

Жыл бұрын

Exactly

@pracitus

Жыл бұрын

He's alive

@klaussecruz7133

Жыл бұрын

great explanation, I wish more people would complete the side quests though

@thefinalfighter2578

Жыл бұрын

@@klaussecruz7133There are a ton of side quests at the end and they mostly drag aside from the ones from our main characters like Jill, Joshua, Gav, etc.

@Cryosxify

Жыл бұрын

clive has already reused cid's name in memory/honor of his dream/work so him using Joshua's has an argument going for it. also clive would be the only person to be able to write a book like this given he's the one with all the details, no one else would've seen what happened at the end with dion, Joshua, and Ultima. also a minor point but clive was only shown to have lost his magic/left hand so his dominant should be good.

I also forgot to restock on potions before the final stretch. I came here with 2 potions and 1 high potion. Didn't end up dying, but I came close at the end.

There are wayyy too many hints that Clive is alive, the loresman giving him his pen to write after this is over, the book at the end, him being the narrator, Jill's quest and quote about him always coming back to her, the sun rising, Metia, the children playing the same story Clive played with Byron...

@xxcraftiestsavxx6478

11 ай бұрын

Don't forget that when he is turning to stone, it is specifically shown that it is his hand only that it turned. It was also his left hand, which is used for casting spells. I believe Harpocrates states for him to put down his sword and pick up the pen, which makes sense given that now Clive's sword arm is the only working one.

@Pikmi.i

11 ай бұрын

@@xxcraftiestsavxx6478 his face also began to turn slightly too

I like how in the final Eikon Fight, Phoenix and Ifrit were incapable of damaging Ultima Prime and he even counter attacked them. Yet everytime Bahamut attack, Ultima Prime was forced to use his shield. It shows how powerful Bahamut attack was, thats why his final megaflare hurts Ultima enough to say "oh.." because he didnt have time to use shield. And Ultima wasn't even trying to punch Bahamut, he knows he can only hurt bahamut with energy attack as powerful as Gigaflare 😂 Bahamut is still the strongest Dominant ❤

@user-zw7qe1ex3c

Жыл бұрын

Odin was stronger

@SeiryuWhite

Жыл бұрын

@@user-zw7qe1ex3c Ifrit beat odin by himself, while Ifrit need to team up with Phoenix to beat Bahamut. Its as simple as that.

@M7med214.

Жыл бұрын

⁠​⁠@@SeiryuWhitethat fight were they fused because bahamut drink from the crystal so he become giga stronger norml bahamut is weaker the odin

@SeiryuWhite

Жыл бұрын

@@M7med214. You do realize that before Bahamut drink the crystal, Ifrit & Phoenix literally fight together right?

@justuscellz

6 ай бұрын

⁠@@SeiryuWhiteidk if ifrit could’ve beat odin if it was an eikon fight like it was with bahamut, odin wasn’t trying to kill clive either because they need clive for ultima . we also saw bahamut and odin clash earlier in the game and neither lost it so i don’t think one is necessarily stronger. in the short ifrit vs odin fight clive had knocked him out his form but at the same time he was able to counter ifrit semi primed and then stab him and knock clive out of his fully primed form and odin had lost the fight in his semi primed form , and willing gave his power to clive so he can be perfect, also clive a grew considerably stronger since the bahamut fight , he couldn’t even touch the king before and had got no diffed 2 times before the odin final fight and when clive grows in strength so does ifrit so yeah .. i think odin and bahamut are equal if not super relative in strength .

Thank you for showing us how much you appreciate the music! I love it when someone's so immerse in everything the game has to offer!

There is a interesting Reddit post giving argument to why Clive Lived writing the book in his brother name

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

TLDR for why he would've published it under Joshua's name??

@bradleydrake6941

Жыл бұрын

@@RogersBase living legacy.. carrying the name of his brother

@komorabodai7854

Жыл бұрын

@@bradleydrake6941 and its not like it would be the first time he took a name to honor someone

@rarzarbex9172

Жыл бұрын

@@RogersBase He wanted to honor him like he did using Cid's name he also used the name Wveryn at the start of the game.

@OfficialDjTalksick

Жыл бұрын

A Clive by any other name is just as bittersweet

The contents of the game are *literally the final fantasy* of this world. Nice.

Clive is not dead at the end of the lore writer questline he gives clive an pen to maybe he becomes an writer someday, so he wrote the book in joshua name's to maintain his legacy. The narrator of the story is clive to the end even in the book part so the narrator cannot die to narrate. Also joshua said himself that phoenix cannot bring others from death so rip joshua so clive attempt to revive joshua with phoenix power was in vain and we don't know even if Ultima could bring others from death too. And Jill at the end is relieved because the sun it means that metia last resort before she fades was make jill wish come to true. Yoshi-p said symbolism is very important in this FF as well the questlines especially the last ones optional such as joshua and jill. Leaving all that aside i hope people start complaining and Yoshi-p say something or give us an DLC or even longer version of the ending, because people are done with bs open ending in games lol

@tonberrygaming3267

Жыл бұрын

clive wasn't trying to revive joshua, he was just patching up the hole in joshua's chest because he didn't want joshua's remains to be defiled by what ultima had done to it. also ultima never says he was going to revive his kin, he just says he was using the aether gathered to awaken them from their slumber. do not believe there's any entity that could bring back the dead in this series. also tidbits: one of the side quest you take jill to the flower field and she goes on a soliloquy on how clive always comes back despite how bad it gets at dawn, so she'll wait for him as the sun comes up. i wonder if the DLC will be about leviathan dlc or taking the enterprise beyond the twins continent since thats what mid and jill wanted to do after all this was over.

@abysswalker3891

Жыл бұрын

@@tonberrygaming3267 another thing i forgot is clive is at the beach and only his hand got petrified because he used Ultima power to do all that and all. The petrification stopped people can live without an limb so as did Cid with his arm and kupka without his hands and at jill part when looking at the sun you can almost see an boat look like that is clearly not the rocks merely between the 2 rocks on the middle left of the screen.

@aileene-ez9gx

Жыл бұрын

The new baby being born and the dawn symbolize new hope for the new generation, no more slaves. This is what Yoshi-P meant about hope. Jill's side quest was meant to be a depressing one because as the player we already knew of Clive's deathflags and his empty promises to comeback for her will never come true. Many misunderstood the phrase she said "No matter how terrible the night...dawn would always come" it simply meant that life goes on. With this context for the ending, it's Jill forcing herself to smile for Clive so his death will not be in vain and she would be eventually be able to move on. Clive has also mentioned how much she her smile brings him so much joy during their sexy scene. It's bittersweet actually considering he promised to return... but didn't. The book "Final Fantasy" written by "Joshua Rosfield" at the epilogue doesn't have to be written by Clive or Joshua themselves. We have several side character scholars from Hideaway who are introduced as story collectors/archivers - they are Harpocrates and Vivian. We can also see them teaching a lot of kids and values the importance of history. It can be a biography of the people who wanted to preserve the legacy of the brothers and their gift of freedom. When you go to Harpocrates, it looks like Clive is telling him his story progress with the pixel art animation of old Final Fantasy games and Vivian is updating the lore as we move on. E.g. Jill is "traveling companion" in one of her text but was changed to "in love" if you reached a certain point. The story's main theme is - "Legacy" to pass it down through generations. We knew from the beginning that this story isn't going to be a happy one with everything that was presented to us all throughout the game.

@abysswalker3891

Жыл бұрын

@@aileene-ez9gx Not really Yoshi-p said himself so did Clive actor that we would pay attention to all symbolism and the platinum trophie name helps support the theory that Clive is alive too.

@trollogic1505

Жыл бұрын

@@abysswalker3891bro Clive is dead. He’s wearing full armor how do you know only his one hand was effected? The curse is fatal. Jote probably wrote the book. But Clive and Joshua are dead and the story is better that way. Let it end and be good. It would be fucking stupid and ruin the ending if Clive didn’t die. It was beautiful

Well from the looks of this ending I see why they envisioned no DLC after the main story.

@Foogi9000

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that they ever solved the issue of the blight so if they wanted to they could do a dlc discovering the origins of the blight and how to permanently stop it.

@kei7540

Жыл бұрын

They could always do dlc for the other dominants backstory or something with Leviathan who knows

@Foogi9000

Жыл бұрын

@kei7540 If my theory is correct, then i don't think we'll ever see the dominant for Leviathan. I realized that the only other time that lost has been used in the context of the Eikons is Titan Lost. My theory is that a dominant via some form or another needs to lose control of the Eikon they were born with and transform into their full Eikon form. Then they need to roughly do what Titan did and consume a massive amount of aether that it transforms them into their most powerful but also most primal and at that point they're lost because it's the point of no return and it's a guaranteed death. If you look at the corpse of Hugo after you destroy him, he's crumbling apart due to the amount of aether that flooded his body by eating the mothercrystal. Hugo Kupka was most likely near death and completely insane at the time of the final phase, only thing keeping him going was killing Clive.

@Josefuumii

Жыл бұрын

all i will say is... IT'S FOOKIN GAV TIME, GIVE US GAV DLC!

The real ending is what ever you want it to be. Its your final fantasy thats the hidden msg in this.

i was waiting for this! i had to leave the stream because i had not finished the game yet so i wasn’t there to see your reaction to the ending

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

Told you I'd upload it! LOL

i cried like a baby in the end🥲 dion was my fav character 😭😭

The fact that Ultima shares his voice actor with Z from XC3 and the final battle takes place in Origin is hilarious to me.

Food for thought, this was a comment from Yoshi-P back in a May interview Yoshida: [laughs] For me, it's actually not really different. I kind of approach the FF16 story the same way I approach expansions for FF14. I think a good script is something that doesn't give all the answers at the end. It invokes a lot of feelings. It makes people think... it leaves a little bit of doubt there at the end. You're going to have finality in the main beats of the story, and you're going to get those answers. But there's always going to be that door left open a little bit to get people thinking. Moving forward, when people get the game and they play it, and they love it enough that they want to see more... We've left the door open a little -- just enough so that we can continue and can show more. But for what you're going to get on June 22nd, it's going to be a complete experience that you're going to be able to enjoy from beginning to end. Imo they wouldn’t leave the door open to DLC just to confirm Clive is dead

so nice to see someone reacting as emotionally as i did

If I had a nickel every time I fought the final boss of a video game voiced by Harry Lloyd in a place called Origin, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot but it’s weird it happened twice.

Anyone know where to watch the rest of this play through?

Good lord just finished the game and can’t stop crying….

Side bar, I know I’m not the only one who was scared sh**less when Ultima first appeared lol he just showed up behind Clive I was caught all the way off guard lmao

How can anyone not cry while seeing this? The best ending in video game history. Thank you Square Enix.

@gaiolinn

Жыл бұрын

Cried my first playthrough, cried after beating Final Fantasy mode, now crying at reactors

@dreamer6737

Жыл бұрын

@@gaiolinn haha so true same here

@everettenjeze6276

Жыл бұрын

Jaw was on the ground. Such a brutal ending. Like fuck both brothers die😫💔. After everything they been through. Loved it.

@Moonwalker86

Жыл бұрын

LMAO it's the worst ending.

@everettenjeze6276

Жыл бұрын

@@Moonwalker86 because characters actually die?

I think that Clive survived cuz I chose to believe that he did. besides the whole story is narrated by him strongly indicating that he lived. EDIT: If you did all the side quest at the end, it becomes abundantly clear the he lived.

@gallavanting2041

11 ай бұрын

cope

@Zaque-TV

11 ай бұрын

​@@gallavanting2041hope

omg Roger you're so right about Satan from that Mark Twain animation. I think that got recommended to all of us a few years back lol it was all over the place.

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it the same voice?! LOL

Such an incredible game. The ending breaks me every time I think about it 💔

But i broke down i was sad for joshua and i was heartbroken for jill when i first seen the end. But after i pieced the story together the ending is really what ever you want it to be. Its open

It's so funny seeing Roger dance to nothing in the last few minutes of credits XD

I feel like they didn't use Dion enough, we needed more Dion. I cried for him like a baby of course but I wanted more time with him. Joshua slipped up not going to him sooner. Gav, Mid, Goetz (UNDER USED TOO) and Uncle Byron are literally my favorite side characters. Joshua × Mid!! 🎉 Dude when Joshua CLOCKED Clive for Jill, I felt that, it was SUPER DESERVED. They honestly had us on a string with Clive × Jill! God! TORGAL BEING BEST BOI ❤

@raven12333

Жыл бұрын

Joshua x Mid is a nono, Jote all the way XD She's and Joshua are like Dion and Terrence, loyality turned into mutual feelings for each other, i say that cause in Tabor Joshua literally kisses her forehead, he doesn't do that to anyone else he says goodbye.

@kei7540

Жыл бұрын

We got a lot of Dion actually

“And thus did our journey end” is definitely the last line of the Final Fantasy book imo. Clive narrating it instead of Joshua I think says something about the ending

It could be interpreted in many ways but people seem to forget that Cid basically had most of his arm petrified before his death. It was ailing him probably for years prior. So it is VERY possible that Clive's hand alone could have been petrified and stopped there as magic ceased to exist at that point. Also, there are many things pointing to Clive writing after his journeys. Tomes gives Clive his prized quill pen at the end of his quest line. And there is also a quest line where Clive says once his journeys are over, he may put down his sword and pick up a pen. The game's writers could have planted this into the game to make people think one way but honestly who knows. The writers leave it open-ended for interpretation because it gets people talking about the game / story. It's possible that Joshua could have survived because Clive healed him at the end. It could also be possible that Tomes or the Undying wrote the book in Joshua's name as they would have knowledge of the events due to all their research and Clive / Joshua relaying information along the way.

Asura from Asura's Wrath would be proud of the final punch.

Wonderful game. If Clive really died, it's so sad thinking he died by himself alone. No one beside him in his last minute on that beach. Wish his flame lives on forevermore.

I NEED A PART 2!!!

The character i was rooting for the most was Joshua. He's been through so much. BEST BOY 😭😭

@abcdoremi3127

Жыл бұрын

#Spoilers . . . Technically, he did survive. If you check out the very end, the book about the "Final Fantasy" was written by Joshua Rosefield. So it implies Joshua lived thanks to Clive.

@gavo7911

Жыл бұрын

@@abcdoremi3127 I think it’s far more likely that Clive survived and wrote the book in Joshua’s name

@abcdoremi3127

Жыл бұрын

@@gavo7911 I think Clive fully restored Joshua's vitality with the power of Ultima and he essentially did that before wiping/burning magic and crystals from the world. But he could have saved Joshua during the breaking of the crystal with the remaining Eikonic powers. Remember, the idea of memories does not really matter at the end, for the story could have ended in any way. We saw the story from Clive's perspective, but Joshua's will existed until the very end with Clive. So if Clive revived Joshua, Joshua presumed Clive did everything he promised. And it's not like the book is gonna describe how he fought Ultmalius. With those taken to consideration, I believe Joshua lived a fully hearty life with Clive's blessings and lived a new life in the new world (world without magic) Clive created. You gotta remember, Clive is essentially God of that reality then.

@1:15:28 Ahhh you missed Metia's light going out...!!! That was the signal to Jill that Clive didn't make it... But until the dawning of the new day does her expression change...!

The credit song is actually made by the person who made the chainsaw man opening song. Kenshin Yonezu. He has amazing songs

Here's hoping the Leviathan the Lost stuff is added on as the first DLC for this game, I wonder if it's a whole side story and then Ultima gets partial moveset in his final boss fight as well once you beat it, that would be absolutely worth it to play again to see in my opinion. Glad you found the experience worthwhile Roger, you blasted through this game pretty quick too 😂

@Pizzadelivery24

Жыл бұрын

but with a world of no magic does that make sense from a gameplay pov in a FF game? how would dlc work?

@heejyfbaby8590

Жыл бұрын

@@Pizzadelivery24 more like fitting it into main story like midnight Suns with its dlc

@MagickGOATee

Жыл бұрын

@@Pizzadelivery24 it would be a prequel dlc, like before Clive but you'd have a similar combat moveset only your moves would be all water oriented, there's also two other Eikons as there were 8 crystals back then

Such a brutal ending. Was expecting Clive to rebuild the world with Jill at his side. Bitter sweet as hell. Best final fantasy game ever. Give me some Jill DLC

@137lll

11 ай бұрын

He survived mate; he's the one that wrote that book with Harpocrates quill, using Joshua's name :)

@everettenjeze6276

11 ай бұрын

@@137lll ohhhhhhh no way really. I thought josusa survived in the end

Spoilers i guess but this is a video on the finale so what did you expect , but... I refuse to beleive that Clive is dead, that book was never mentioned to be written during the game, he had to have survived to write it, and it never shows the curse going beyond his arm, you know the rule, no body no death. it might be pure copium but i dont care Clive and Jill need a happy ending, they deserve it. Edit: for some reason i thought clive wrote the book instead of joshua, but i still have hope

@XxSkineyxX

Жыл бұрын

Clive didnt write the book, Joshua did, but i agree, Clive has to be alive, Cid had his hand turned to stone when he was alive and he was doing relatively well. If i had seen Clive fully turned to stone like Hugo was when he died I would think hes gone but that aint the case to the copium is still strong.

@ItzMunix0916

Жыл бұрын

didn’t it say the book was joshua’s?

@ItzMunix0916

Жыл бұрын

but yeah, hope you’re right, hoping for 16-2 🫡

@gastar805

Жыл бұрын

​@@XxSkineyxXoh my god im an idiot. Sorry about that.

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

Joshua was the one who wrote the book so unfortunately I think Clive IS dead but I wouldn't hate a FF16-2 in a world without magic that shows he's actually OK after everything he's been through.

great boss but i was so dissapointed in the ending. We spend 50+ hours with this cast and growing with your party just for not a single charater to get any closure at all. I was not a fan of that but damn what a game.

@Temperance_XVII

Жыл бұрын

Idk there’s some hints that could lead to clive not being dead

Clive is alive. If you do the side quest for the librarian, he gives Clive a quill and ink and explains once he’s done fighting he should start writing. The phoenix can ONLY mend injuries but can not mend the spirit meaning that Joshua died but didn’t die with the hole in his chest. Clive takes Joshua’s name as an author to give his name lasting legacy like how he took Cid’s name

I don't know you did this without Shiva. I was using that freeze dash on him left and right. That moveset is so delightfully broken.

The game was incredible and the music killed it! How many times I was in awe just by the shere epicness on screen. Masterpiece!

So Joshua lived at the end ?

Bro... experiencing this game in a home theater with Diastrophism causing bass and a TV which gets as bright as a Zettaflare was the best experience I ever had with any game. ESPECIALLY the fight against Ultima in space, the colors, the vibrance, the effects, THE MUSIC!!!!! My retina was burnt through like gloom Btw, is the audio in this video kinda compressed and gritty?

Since I only played four Final Fantasy including this one. My top is ... story/lore wise. -Final Fantasy VII (all game included) -Final Fantasy XVI -Final Fantasy X (And X-2) -Final Fantasy VIII

Only 30 hours? Did you skip all the side quests or something? Because the ones at the very end are pretty important, such as the Clive and Jill one.

@RogersBase

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, the ones towards the end were the ones I did 😂

As much as I love this game, and as much as I absolutely love that they made me feel loss in the end. I know I can’t stand the conversation around not knowing 100% if Clive is dead. And I know this may sound greedy, but this game made me feel some thing when I saw what I thought was Clive dying and I don’t want it to be taken away from me. But now I feel like it is because this ending appears to be open ended and I really think that hurts the game. In my opinion I’m not a fan of those types of endings. I just wish there was more clarity.

@andresrawadventure417

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% with you, I really hate open to interpretation endings.

@robitussinbrohan718

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, this is how the og ff7 and ff10 ended when they came out. They left it somewhat open ended.

@Pizzadelivery24

Жыл бұрын

@@robitussinbrohan718 I can see the x comparison but at least we saw Tidus swimming in the end

@mattt5856

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure Clive wrote that book and left his story. A side quest hinted at such. He used his brothers name the same way he used Cids.

@Pizzadelivery24

Жыл бұрын

@@mattt5856 sure you can make that argument

“Such a good Cid.” Sub’d

Damn the end of this game is honestly perfect I almost cry few times during the final (clive, joshua and dion deaths, gav and jill reaction ...) And the final punch against ultima is so satisfying, I never smashed a button this hard in my life Definetely a GOTY contenders

@elpopman2055

Жыл бұрын

Joshua survived thanks To Clive. Joshua is The Author of The Book Shown in The Ending.

@Anonymous-om3hk

Жыл бұрын

lol what are you talking about. You need to play real GAMEs. lol

@atinone

11 ай бұрын

@@Anonymous-om3hk miaule plus fort j'entends pas

When Clive and Jill were naked they definitely made a baby and named it Joshua Rosfield

FF16 is definitely in my top 3 favorite FF games, may even be number 1, but it's close. For me it is GOTY by far, but then again I've never loved Zelda games as much as FF games.

Honestly, i would *love* to see another mainline take from CBUIII and essentially became the one who leading the future of FF. But that leads the question of CBUI, the OG division (the one's remaking FF7 and KH4) , are they gonna became a Remake division now?

@Cryosxify

Жыл бұрын

i want them to take what they did with xvi and refine it more in 17 or a sequel to 16

@kei7540

Жыл бұрын

I think they'll maybe do 18

Where is the Bahamut fight? And the Barnabas and Waloed sections?

I thought Clive Rosfield wrote the book. That's according to my version of the game. Or did I remember it wrong?

I think Clive lived, but I'm ok if he didn't too. If he didn't I'm sure Joshua did; the whole game Clive wanted nothing more than to save his brother, and in the end he did. With Phoenix amplified by Ultima's power, who knows? Plus when the Crystal disappears you see a platform still floating there. Joshua wakes up there and flies down. Also it wasn't until the end of the game that I saw the little Phoenix feather Clive carries and realized "hey, it's a Phoenix Down lol".

After finishing this game i have this final fantasy as an S tier alongisde ff6 and ff7. Definitely a masterpiece and top 3.

I ugly cried for hours during the ending 🤣

How many bright castles have you seen? 😅

Gav was the real mvp And our third cid 😢

Great reaction, the game was an awesome experience. I also love the end song

First for Joshua the MVP

so were the eikons the bodies of Ultima's people they gave up? wish his race or whatever was explored more or we could see some of his people go against his plans.

@26:46 This is my whole entire being saying the same exact thing...

So I did some research because I was in denial about the ending and I found some stuff that may also imply that Clive might of actually made it out like for example the devs said that there will also be things in the world that will help tell or fill in the blanks to the end of the story like example there was a side quest where Clive mentions after all this is over he wants to write a story and what do we see at the end of the game a book written by “Joshua” there is ZERO implications that Joshua was writing a story and also we got confirmation Joshua did die Clive was the only one who made it out of origin and also it wouldn’t be the first time Clive took some one else’s name in a form Of “dedication” so it could mean Clive lived and did make his way back to Jill and those kids could very much be his dependents (that’s just a theory) also people believe that the redStar burning out at the end wasn’t Clive’s death but to symbolize his return and that the Star did indeed grant hills wish for him to come back to her she also prayed again before he left and there is a lot of lore about people making a wish on that star and it is said that if enough people put their faith into it that wish will come true or something like that also there are people that also say the song that they play at the end tells the tail of Clive coming back to Jill the devs said the end of the game is very “hopeful” and that there are things sprinkled throughout the world that will help u come to your own conclusion to the end of Clive’s story so have faith he might of at worse lost his left hand but he can still live through that it only kills u if u turn to stone completely and watching it closely it looks like it stopped at his wrist so he might still have been alive and just passed out from exhaustion

@mikeymartinez8636

Жыл бұрын

Also the Phoenix only heals flesh’s wounds it does not “bring the soul back to a body that’s dead” you know what I mean hence why Joshua couldn’t bring back the dead and he only lives after fighting Ifret because that secret order found him and patched him up it was t due to the Phoenix power so that’s why I say Clive wrote the book

Poor jill. That made me cry and the music hits so hard.... Love that game. Its a masterpiece imo ❤ I will grind new game + and try to get 100% its not over for me xD

I think Clive is alive. He returns safely and celebrating a memorable party like Straw Hat crew style with all other fellows. He finally marrying Jill with the coolest wedding ever held in Valisthea. He become a story writer while opening Chocobo farm and workshop. He spends the rest of his life together with Jill, Mid and Torgal 👀🔥

@AJ-kt5zo

Жыл бұрын

❤

why he dont try revive dion too?

OMG YOUR RANT right there "If you had told me..." SAME BRO - SAAAAAAAAAAAME

So I cannot stand bittersweet endings. Many times it feels like the writers just wanted to add one last emotional gut punch right at the end without any other reason. I kinda feel the same way here. Clive dying doesn’t feel right to me. Struggling so much to have a happy life just to not get it in the end. That feels wrong. Yeah he got to choose his death, but also not really because he had no other choice if he were to save the world. It may be copium but I hope he survives and only lost the hand because he deserved to have his happily ever after with Jill

Did you skip side quests ?

There was one Eikon that was missing from the game which Joshua mentioned the name Leviathan Lost back in Ash. Assuming when Clive said that Ultima's power was too great for this vessel, was it due to the vessel being incomplete without the power of Leviathan perhaps? If so, chances that YoshiP might do a DLC about it which would give us an alternate ending of What if. Joshua said that not even the Phoenix can bring one back from the dead but what if a complete vessel with all eight Eikons and Ultima's gift has the power sufficient enough do that? After all, Ultima's aim was to recreate the world using Clive as it's vessel to channel the spell so what's to say that if Ultima's gift is powerful enough to bring one back from the dead. That's just fanmade theory I had in my mind all this time so please go easy on me if I missed something there :)

@Cryosxify

Жыл бұрын

they really need to do an epilogue for us

Bruh, i feel you

Clive is actually alive. The narrator of the story can't die. Joshua's fate is 50/50 however cause Ultima wanted Clives body to use Raise. Which would revive his race. Phoenix alone cant revive the dead, Ultimas power combined with it can. That's why Joshuas fate is ambiguous. I see the comments and people clearly didn't do the side quests before the finale or read Vivians and Harpocrates notes.

@Enviscera

Жыл бұрын

The narrator in American Beauty was dead the whole time

The ending theme: My star, is from Jill to Clive, and the moon gazing, Clive to Jill.

i wonder if clive's last spell was signaling to jill through metia that he accomplished his goal ;-;

It’s crazy I always hoped that shiva and ifrit had a special bond towards one another since ff8, my first ff game, and this game went hard on that.. this game is a real treat..

@bigballs7911

Жыл бұрын

They had a bond in xv aswell.

Fantastic game, maybe i'm just in denial but there's still a chance that Clive suvived after using the spell because we technically didn't see him die soooo i refuse to believe he's gone, i hope we get an advent children type movie where they show us the cast after the game

Thus, did our journey end. That's the final line of Clive's book. He wrote it. He's definitely alive, but the writers had to do the open ended so people continue to discuss it long after the ending credits, it also creates discussion around wanting a DLC. We also have Leviathan that is clearly mentioned in the game but doesn't appear in the game. The game has been breaking sales records over in Japan, it's a huge commercial success so DLC/sequel is almost guaranteed, in my opinion.