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@blockedperfection9278

7 ай бұрын

The draenei as a Race maybe

@CampfireGoth

7 ай бұрын

The Blood Elves have gotten a pretty rough deal since the Third War. Canonically 90% of their population was wiped out by Arthas, the Alliance turned their backs on the remaining survivors, and the last scion of the royal family went insane, they've fraught with civil war over the years, but still... they carry on and move forward.

@tahroo4262

6 ай бұрын

Sylvanas, simply because of what that former lead writer did purely out of spite and hatred for the character and her fans. Blizzard will be trying to recover from the mistake of his writing for years. Took three expansions (6yrs) just to fix the burning of the tree, which was step 1 on the descent into nonsense.

@blockedperfection9278

6 ай бұрын

@@tahroo4262 I think the burning of Teldrassil was prtty cool tho, We rarely ever get an event that affects a huge faction/race in a way that leaves an imprint on their race for a long time

Saurfang is the family name, The father here is Varok, his son is Dranosh who fell at the Wrathgate. Alexstrasza brought his armor back to Varok. He was raised/corrupted by the Lich King and is the 4th boss of Ice Crown Citidel as Deathbringer Saurfang. His father claims his body after defeat and brings him back to be cremated.

@mikleman996

7 ай бұрын

Dont forget the legend himself BROXIGAR!

@UltimateGamerCC

7 ай бұрын

additionally for reference, Varian allows Saurfang to claim his son, an act that Varok never forgot. i believe that is what stayed his hand most of all, when Anduin was attacking Lordaeron.

@publicguy1664

7 ай бұрын

You forgot he was rezzed as a death knight, and that's when Varian allowed him to retrieve Dranosh's body.

@muneyotsuki8164

7 ай бұрын

@@publicguy1664 Literally in the comment you're replying to, friend.

i always shed a tear watching this one. Saurfang shows us true honor of an orc

It may look like a downplaying pose when Saurfang walks towards the alliance army but he wanted a warrior's death so he would have fought to get one not just lay down and die. The alliance would have taken gigantic losses just trying to take him down, the "Cleaving 10 enemies with a single blow" wasn't an exagiration, that was a callback to how he used to be a faction boss for the horde and he was so strong he could cleave kill 10 players lol.

It's incredible how you understand the story better and what they wanted to convey in these cinematics than many people who have been playing for more than 15 years.

"Not after what I've seen, what I've done." You hear Saurfang's voice in Anduin's in the World Within cinematic. Also, Zek'han (Zappyboi) brings back his son, Dranosh. Handing the necklace, lovingly handmade (probably by the son). After he follows Saurfang, and he hands the necklace back, the big orc puts a fist on the chest, then turns it, holding it in a gesture of "love" (sign language). Very powerful symbolism all the way around. You go back to the ending cinematic, Thrall stops Zek'han and hold a protective hand on his shoulders. I can only hope that Thrall takes up the father role from Saurfang where Zappy's concerned. There's so much in this whole story, so much to unpack and it keeps going.

Saurfang was consistently one of the Horde Orc characters Alliance players had positive interactions with over the years. It started with city raid on Orgrimmar, Saurfang became a legend by being notoriously difficult to fight if Alliance ran close to him on their way to kill Thrall. Then he became the head of the combined Might of Kalimdor forces during the Qiraji war effort, Alliance got to hear him speak. He was this veteran warrior with a heart of honor, brother of Broxigar, another legendary Orc who died charging Sargeras. Then in Wrath we meet him in the final raid where we have to fight his son, who died earlier in the expac then was raised as a Death Knight (he's the dead Orc in snow in this cinematic). In the Alliance version of the raid he is pretty respectful and Saurfang takes his son without incident. For Alliance players he was one of the most liked and most respected Orcs.

Your breakdowns and passion for this art are truly the best on the platform man

@PhilipHarts

7 ай бұрын

Thank you so much!

I don’t know if anyone mentioned it during the livestream, but Saurfang’s son is the orc struck down by the Lich King during the Wrathgate cinematic. His line *Let it be finished!* makes a comeback later on in the series.

@marcusbattaglia5400

7 ай бұрын

Isn't his son a boss later on in the Icecrown Citadel?

@WutangToft

7 ай бұрын

@@marcusbattaglia5400 Yes. His son is struck down at the Wrathgate. Then is used by the Lich King as a death knight in ICC.

@clogs4956

7 ай бұрын

Dranosh. A heroic death and a tragedy.

Varok has always been a sympathetic character, a hero with honor. Even the Alliance had a hint of it when we granted him the space to care for his son's corpse-again-after we defeated his son as raised by Arthas to be one of our raid bosses in the Icecrown Citadel. This particular cinematic establishes his role as core NPC to the franchise for Horde and Alliance alike, with flashbacks to put everybody on the same page (as much of half of the player base really only plays one faction or the other). This cinematic provides a prologue, albeit in medias res, for the xpac's storytelling series. Amazing as it is alone, this cinematic installment belongs in sequence with the others; for his story proves one of the most compelling arcs in the franchise, absolutely critical as foil to both Anduiin's and Sylvanas' stories, as well. Varok Saurfang mirrors the honor and conscience that Sylvanas as lacks, which in the following xpac proves all too literal (poorly told, no shortage of bitterness among the players for it). Varok bridged the chasm between Alliance and Horde. He eventually gets the reward he has desired for so long, in one of the most emotional and pivotal scenes in WoW history. Mind you the storytelling in BfA, for the most part, was a tour de force; but it was scattered to different spaces: several high-quality cinematics, several exclusively in-game cinematics and cutscenes, a lot of game play that varied dramatically between Horde and Alliance experiences, and even a book and additional free publications. So following the whole arc without playing means finding a collection assembled by a player KZread channel like, say, Nobbel, for running commentary and conciseness, or any number of others that can run upwards of nearly two hours. Have fun with that. As a moviemaker, it would be an interesting, if time-consuming, journey, as well as an opportunity to express your critiques on decisions Blizz made where to place each storytelling element.

I love that Anduin brought back Saurfang's 'What I've SEEN? What I've DONE!?' in the war within cinematic.

When Saurfang says "too many" he is talking about the Innocents they killed in the world tree. He isn't talking about the soldiers. He is thinking to himself about the burning night elves in the tree. Too many dishonorable deaths.

@Servellion

7 ай бұрын

To him, it's a second Shattrath. Another wholesale slaughter

@corbin_4738

7 ай бұрын

​@@Servellion My first thought. It was a harsh reminder of what they did to the Draenei and how wrong it was.

@miriamweller812

7 ай бұрын

Since Sylvanas for obvious reasons never shared what this all was for, it was just more or less pointless slaughter and escalation Of course that ws the point Sylvanas had from the start, since they needed more souls in the Shadowlands to bring down the system. It's nothing she could share with him, since one of the main points of the plan was to no one learned about it too soon and of course the chance that anyone would go along with it anyway was more than slim. In the end, Saurfang is still weak to follow her without this knowledge, since without it she's just insane. But it's likely the whole horde thing and following the war chief no matter what.

The level of emotions they put in every single cinematic is just insane. I love to see them. If you fallow the storyline it's such an awesome storyteling. You can actually feel and connect with all the characters.

@Tyarrk

7 ай бұрын

In that regard i´m kind of on the edge about Anduin repeating Saurfang´s line in the "War within" trailer. If the writers at Blizzard still have it in them, it can mean that´s a important callback and the stories are intertwined. On the other hand it could be a cheap member berry in hopes to bring back players who checked out with "Shadowlands" or "Dragon Flight", which would be a red flag for the coming expansion. ... Of cause i could be reading too much into it, but the recent years of main stream media disappointments have left me utterly skeptical.

This cinematic starts off in Lordaeron, on the walls of Capital City (the ruins of which the Forsaken capitol of the Undercity sits beneath). The Alliance has moved to remove the Horde presence from the Eastern Kingdoms and retake Lordaeron for the Alliance after the atrocity Sylvanas unleashed upon the Night Elves in Kalimdor. The titular Old Soldier is Varok Saurfang, who was a part of the old Horde that invaded Azeroth waaaay back when it was commanded by Blackhand the Destroyer and then Orgrim Doomhammer. He was party to the genocide of the Draenei, to the burning of Stormwind, and the slaughtering of Elves in Quel'thalas. After Grom killed Mannoroth and freed his people from the demonic blood curse, Saurfang led the Kor'kron elite to Northrend and was stationed at Warsong Hold there, where Garrosh Hellscream's brutal yet successful tactics disturbed him, fearing his people's bloodlust returning. He couldn't even eat pork anymore, as the swine's screams as they were slaughtered brought back the memories of the Draenei he had helped wipe out. Dranosh Saurfang, his son, joined him in Northrend and was killed at the Wrathgate by Arthas, who raised him into a Death Knight, granting him the title of Deathbringer. We had to battle him in our raid on Icecrown Citadel and ultimately defeat him (one of the harder boss fights in the raid), and later, Varok is allowed by Varian to reclaim the body of his son. Varok has sworn ever since that he would not start a war, nor would he allow a warmongerer to rise to power, which is why he is GREATLY disturbed by Sylvanas' actions in the War of Thorns where she sets Teldrassil alight with thousands of innocents inside. His loyalty to the Horde and his morality are at war in this cinematic, and he ultimately must choose which path he will follow. He sees the future of the Horde in youthful Zekhan, a shaman of the Darkspear troll tribe, who reminds him of his son with his hopeful eagerness, and despite losing faith in Sylvanas' leadership, he chooses to stand with the Horde in order to protect those like Zekhan and make things better. I highly, HIGHLY recommend that you watch all the in-game cutscenes for this too, and the patch cinematics (Terror of Darkshore is just fucking magnificent). This expansion really had a film-like narrative throughout, and it's so good that you don't want to miss any of it.

Saurfang in lore was a beast, "kill ten enemies with a single blow", totally true. Funny thing is that way back in OG Vanilla, an Alliance raid came to kill Thrall in Orgrimmar. They came in the front gate and the Saurfang NPC took them all out. A raid of 40 toons was annihilated by one NPC. Us in Org just stood by and watched the carnage when usually it was a call to arm to defend Thrall in the throne room. I remember the Saurfang NPC charging and cleaving and like 4 toons die, rinse and repeat LOL, one of my favorite memories from the game.

@PeteyEks

7 ай бұрын

Lok'tar

@araposkulo

7 ай бұрын

I think this is how the "Saurfang cleave" became a Saurfang thing to begin with

@hordenallimaniafan2565

7 ай бұрын

Everyone in Saurfangs Familie was a beast, his Son was a great leader and Strong Soilder, his Brother Broxigar Redaxe was known for defending a pass in the 3rd War and going out as the only surviver in his Defence line killing every Demon, his half-niece Thura... can't talk about her to much still have to read the Stormrage book. But she is the one who is currently Wielding the Axe of Cenarius

@stephanluciw7703

7 ай бұрын

@@hordenallimaniafan2565 Not only that, but Broxxigar Saurfang is also the sole holder of the title "Only humanoid being in history to have ever landed a blow on Sargeras" (thanks to the Axe of Cenarius as well). Only Orc in history to have been reveared by the Elves... at least until his little brother and titular character, Varok himself, came into scene in this expansion.

During this time in the game, there was actually a bit of a movement among Horde players. Those that stood by Saurfang took off their shoulder pads (as in made them invisible) to show their solidarity.

@UltimateGamerCC

7 ай бұрын

i am an Alliance player, but i would have taken off my shoulder armor as well. Varok was an honorable man.

The original playable Trolls of the Horde are Island Trolls from the Darkspear Tribe. Trolls have sounded Carribean since being introduced in Warcraft 2.

I love the double meaning of "Too many"... It answers Zek'han's question: There's too many enemies to fight - but Saurfang is also saying "Too many deaths, too many innocents killed, too many wars, too many war crimes".

@UltimateGamerCC

7 ай бұрын

which is why the Alliance and the Horde have stopped fighting for the most part. too many lives lost, too much blood spilled and so much brought to ruin. before long it will be the end of all races, even Azeroth, so much of Kalimdor and EK are smoldering battlefields. four wars is already too many.

You maybe missed the moment the troll hands in his son's necklace and the way Saurfang puts his hand on his chest the same way as he put it on his son. Brilliant.

That hand gesture towards Zekhan's heart when he returns the necklace, same as the gesture towards Saurfang's dead son... I don't have any kids of my own, but I'm old enough to understand that kind of kinship. Hits the feels.

You’ve seen some already but Anduin and Saurfang’s story throughout bfa was amazing.

I love how this cinematic can be understood even with no context. The themes that shows can be acknowledge by anyone, even bystanders

Varok Saurfang, younger brother of Broxigar and elder of an as-yet-unnamed third brother, is one of the Orcs' oldest remaining leaders and easily one of the most powerful Warriors their race has ever produced, eclipsed only by Broxigar as the only mortal being to ever cause an injury to a Titan. On their homeworld of Draenor, he was neck-deep in the war with the Draenei after Gul'dan framed them as the cause for Draeno'r's sudden and accelerating climate change, for the silence of their ancestors' spirits that had once guided them but had now seemingly abandoned them, and for the recent bout of Red Pox plague that was sweeping through their people like a scythe through wheat, forcing what few survivors there were to be isolated in a leper camp in Nagrand, Varok's son Dranosh among them. By the time the Orcs sealed the Blood Pact with Mannoroth and the Burning Legion, Varok no longer had care for whether or not he was doing the right or honorable thing anymore, he only cared about revenge. When the Dark Portal was opened and the invasion of Azeroth began, he didn't even care about that either, only that whatever enemy he was pointed at fell to his axe because it was all he knew how to do anymore, no matter the depravity, destruction or desecration that meant committing. When the Orcs lost that war and most of the invaders were captured, they spent the next decade undergoing what Dalaran called The Lethargy, where the Orcs seemed to undergo withdrawal-like symptoms along with signs of severe depression and PTSD, this being a consequence of their sudden loss of access to the Fel magic that had been driving many of their actions and clouding their thoughts for the previous decade. Saurfang himself was one of the most heavily affected, and when he was freed by Doomhammer, Thrall and Grom Hellscream he made it his mission to ensure the Orcs never fell to such depravity and dishonor again. When he discovered that not only was a fragment of Draenor still alive after Ner'zhul seemingly destroyed it to power a ritual to send himself and his closest followers to a new world to escape the Alliance, but that his son Dranosh still lived, his heart swelled with hope for the first time in almost 30 years...and then Dranosh was killed and Raised by the Lich King almost as soon as his service to the Horde had begun. This act *crushed* Saurfang. He retreated to Outland in his grief as Garrosh Hellscream began his campaign of conquest and extermination despite Saurfang's own oath that he would kill Garrosh if Garrosh forsook the honor that he and warriors like Garrosh's father had fought so hard to regain, only returning during the final Siege at Orgrimmar where he was easily beaten and badly injured by the Mantid, a race of insectoid beings that worship the dead Old God, Y'shaarj, whom Garrosh had unearthed the heart of to empower himself and his armies. Saurfang is at the lowest of lows now, and just wants to die for his sins and his failures. But as a proud warrior, he refused to lay down and let a lesser take him or to take his life himself, he feels that he must earn his death as a warrior and a servitor to the people he thinks he has failed and disgraced. Thus, this lead-in to the Battle for Undercity, where to his old eyes the sins of his people's past seem doomed to be repeated, and he loses all hope... Enter Stage-Left: Zekhan the Zappy Boi!

The tree burning.......powerful is even more when you've played through it and you end up trying to evacuate the people inside the city on the tree. You don't get them all, no matter how hard you try. That was so very very hard to deal with and it was when I just almost quit Horde all together. My first toon was Night Elf, and that tree was my first home. I see it and I STILL get a sadness just almost overwhelming.

@PhilipHarts

7 ай бұрын

Seriously… what a powerful image!

I don't know if he has watched Wrathgate, but that was Blizzards first entry into ingame cinematics and remembered fondly by many. It gives good context to old soldier, since as many have already mentioned, we see what happened to Varok's son, Dranosh.

@23:00 troll brings back the memories of his father fighting side by side with Saurfang, "good 'ol times of honorable fight" increasing the distance of Saurfang used to do/fight back then and the current events :(

All of the World of Warcraft games prior to Battle for Azeroth only had one full cinematic (not counting the in-game engine cinematics). Battle for Azeroth changed that by having a full string of cinematics revolving around Sarufang. I'm hoping that the new expansion announced at Blizzcon follows the same path considering that conversation between Anduin and Thrall had more of a story-type cinematic rather than a movie-trailer style cinematic.

This one is a masterpiece

Amazing analysis but just to clarify one detail ! At 18:00 it's NOT from saurfang's POV. It's from that dying archer from the WARBRINGERS : Sylvanas! IT'S AN AMAZING DETAIL BLIZZARD DID

“What I’ve seen - what I’ve done?” Later to be echoed by Anduin in the War Within trailer.

@PhilipHarts

7 ай бұрын

Beautiful parallel!

@freefall945

7 ай бұрын

@@PhilipHarts ah, you are generous Phil. On rewatch I saw you noted the same thing anyway! Warcraft cinematic teams love these little call backs. Eg: in the Thrall Vs Garrosh scene, Garrosh’s last line is “I am what you made me.” Back in the Lord of the Clans book, when thrall confronts and kills his slave master/foster father, that cretin’s last words are: “You are what I made you. I am so proud.”

Varok takes Zekhan under his wing, a counterpart to Anduin. Later, Zekhan’s honour, bravery and compassion are instrumental in bringing the Zandalari into the Horde. I sincerely hope we see more of him in the future. I think you didn’t pick up on the similarity of the dark colouration used for Zekhan; it’s identical to that of dead Dranosh. The armour colour contrast of the two is also important. The addition of the salute is a perfect closing of the circle.

The tree burning was the night elf home. Silvanis burned it for really no reason other that for morale breaker. Sarfang didn't agree with killing innocents.

@murasasme

7 ай бұрын

He didn't agree, but he did it anyway.

When Saurfang tells the troll "Do you know me? What I have done?" He is one of the original Horde. The atrocities they committed against the Draenei before the invasion of Azeroth... pretty unspeakable. They had first drank the demon fel blood and were blood thirsty. Did bad deeds for wrong reasons under bad influences. Thrall (and to some extent the sacrifice of Warcraft 3 Grommash Hellscream) helped lead the Horde down a new path. The killing of all the innocents by Sylvanas certainly reminds Saurfang of the horrendous acts he and fellow orc brethren have committed in their own past - no doubt giving them a unique insight on it.

I have a friend who was playing when Sylvanus burned the tree and there was a quest for you to save as many people as you could and it was set up so there was NO way to succeed at saving everyone and she's still mentally scarred by it.

I loved Varok Saurfang. I miss Saurfang. He was an orc with honor. He died with honor. I'm sorry that he is gone now.

I've seen this like 50 times and I always get super emotional when he is talking to his sons body

when this came out, horde players payed tribute to saurfang by unequipping their shoulders, to show they didnt agree with the burning of teldrassil. And blizzard painting the horde as bad guys yet again. These cinematics were amazing

I haven't played actively in years, but my main used to be undead warlock, so it makes sense, that after what Sylvanas did, the Alliance would go after her at her home, which is Lordaeron, she is the Forsaken leader, and the Horde is there out of solidarity, but Saurfang sees the Horde under her leadership having lost all honor, cost him his son, and he can't even find an honorable death in battle, so he just wants to die with some shred of dignity left rather than fight for a dishonorable cause (he puts the Horde symbol into the fire) but then the troll shows him that there are others who have lost, and these individuals are worth fighting for (returns the symbol to Saurfang).

I love these reaction videos. Such incredible depicting. Thank you!!

Saurfang's son, was Killed in Norfend in one of the Horde and the Alliance's cooperative Assault against the Lich King. The Lich King took his Son corpse and raised it as a Death Knight, when the players Assault the Ice crown Citadel to kill the Lich King, Saurfang's Son, is in the Players and his Father's way, attempting to kill the players and his Father. What we see in the cinematic is the aftermath, once the Lich king is killed and the Citadel under control, Varok( Saurfang's first name) went back to his Son's corpse to retrieve it and bring him back in Nagrand, their Homeland, to give him a proper burial.

Here a cool Funfact, Varok Saurfang is a by the community loved Character, he is the symbol of the Honor and Glory of the Horde and many players, Alliance and Horde Hated Sylvanas for what she has done and many players started a movement after this Cinematic, Called Shoulderless for Saurfang. Hordplayer deequipt or detransmogt there Shoulders and Helmet to show that they Stand with Saurfang, even some Alliance player did the same to show the Horde Players some Respect and show them that they too stand with Saurfang.

You've got to watch "Battle for Azeroth: Varok Saurfang’s Mak’gora" Its 23 minutes long but it tells Saurfangs entire story. The True Warchief of the Horde!!

The deeper you get into Warcraft lore you see neither the Horde or the Alliance are the "good" or "bad" side. Both have committed horrific crimes against the other, from the enslavement of the orcs to the burning of Teldrassil, and both have come together when the fate of the world was at stake.

@norsegodofawsomess

7 ай бұрын

This is a lie the horde started with the orcish invasion of azeroth with the intended desire to commit genocide and conquer the planet the horde are evil and deserve no sympathy.

@breburdax4132

7 ай бұрын

How exactly is locking a defeated army of demon-possessed genocidal maniacs in internment camps an "horrific crime", especially when the only realistic alternative would have been to exterminate them on the spot? To even compare the real atrocities of some rogue Alliance secondary leaders like Daelin or Garithos (don't even bring Arthas into this) to the various genocides actually commited or attempted by the Horde as a faction (Draenei genocide, First and Second Wars, Garrosh, Sylvanas' use of bioweapons against civilians from the start of Vanilla WoW, War of the Thorns and Burning of Teldrassil), and more specifically by the orcs, fel corruption or not, is absolutely laughable.

Next two cinematics are my all time favourites, and this one’s a close 3rd. HURRY UP!

As you go through the Old Soldier cinematics, make sure to keep an eye out for the time of day, it is morning as it starts, and ends with dawn

Its amazing how far warcrafts cinematics have come too

I believe the choice of orange and blue is also tied to the story of the game at this point in time. The soul of the world was just wounded by a gigantic sword, and the blood leaking from this worldsoul became a resource the two factions fought over. This ressource is called azerite and is orange and blue. Azerite held the potential for both destruction and creation.

can't wait for you to see the rest of the series this starts. it is just the best.

2:22:38 He had training as either a priest or a paladin before he became king. He felt the holy light through his weapon and in his moment of desperation reached out for it and hoped for the best. I doubt he expected a mass-ressurection, but he wore it pretty well.

Small piece of lore before diving into my own comment. Saurfang's dead son, was in the possession of the Alliance at the time during the Lich King/Gate. Out of honor, Varian (Anduin's father) let Saurfang come to their city & collect his son's corpse. An act to allow a father to bury his child(ren). In response Saurfang tells Varian (king of stormwind/Alliance faction), he would not forget such an act. *He never did.* I still remember when this along with the in-game cutscenes came out. Everybody (myself too) mostly felt it was an unfair battle, but for obvious reasons it was cool to see a bad ass character with principles he'd come to "foster" for Zakar/Zappy-boy by talking to him like a son about the realities of war. But it was interesting to see a character in the middle of conflict & go against orders because he isn't a puppet/yes-man. Which is what makes the battle scene even more like a, "it has to be this way, no excuses.". Equal to note is how well composed Saurfang is when Anduin confronts him in what can only be described as a cage built for 'human prisoners'.. But that during the scene you can see how almost irrelevant the place is lol. But, he views Anduin as his equal.

Did you see the "Battle for Azeroth" launch cinematic before this? Or will you watch that next? Next would be good. It continues this battle and features both Sylvanas and Anduin.

This is how you do heartfelt, strong emotional storytelling. I won't rant about the state of the way they do narrate feelings after that, it's not the place for it. But I'll say in terms of both production and writing, this is one of my favorites to date, even if the expansion itself, BFA, was a really mixed bag, to put it positively.

I love Varok... When Zappy asks him "How many do you think?" and we get the flashback to Teldrassil the "Too many" from Varok to me has a double meaning. Not only are there too many for him to take on alone to make sure he get's his warrior's death... But too many innocents have died by Sylvannas as well. Also the hand gesture he makes on Dranosh chest. The fist, then laying the fist on the chest, knuckles up, he later does to Zappy. Also... People keep bringing up 'honor' to Varok and he seems to be getting tired of it and annoyed. Also... when the Horde banner rises you can see what even the symbol alone means to him. The idea... Almost to what Rome meant to many Roman soldiers even if they have never been there. Varok understand the idea of what the Horde should be and how it has been corrupted for years.

"Live another day... without honor?" No matter the decision Saurfang makes in that moment, he has no honorable choice.

The reason Saurfang was against the Burning of Night Elves, was because it was no honor in killing civilians, hes an Orc so they are very focused on honorable battle.

Yup, Dranosh died during the wrathgate and risen by arthas to become a death knight and then killed by us during the ice crown raid. Saurfang just wants his proper warriors death. This is like the pre cinematic before the battle for Azeroth one when silvanas is defending Lordaeron from the alliance after the burned Teldrassil for no reason. Well there was one but explained in a book, figured.

i've been waiting for this one :)

This is what I’ve been waiting for!

the next one please do it ASAP !!!

Film student to filmmaker, I would like you to know: This? It was filmed in a parking lot. Two employees wore armor pieces and acted it out.

when this came out, in solidarity to burning of the tree, horde players that sided with Saurfang would hide their shoulder-pads in game

It's such a perfect time to have watched this cinematic. In the game the Night Elves have just reclaimed a new home -- irl years after this happened. That's one of the things I love about the game -- it's so vast that it's okay to let stories cook & unfold over years & years.

@glyakk

7 ай бұрын

What sword? Lol I agree that it is good to see them take their time with many of their good stories. But completely ignoring that sword for this long… I really do not think most of bfa, shadowlands, and dragonflight was so critical to do before even acknowledging that loose end.

@dr.zoidberg8666

7 ай бұрын

@@glyakk They didn't ignore the sword. Literally fixing the threat it posed was a major plot of BfA. Azeroth isn't in danger because of the sword in TWW. It's in danger because of Xal'atath. They came to the sword in the trailer because the voice was calling out "from the heart of the world" & the sword is the evidence of Sargeras trying to kill the same thing: lending importance. We are not "addressing the sword" in TWW. We did that in BfA.

@glyakk

7 ай бұрын

@@dr.zoidberg8666 my critique is less about the actual story line and more about how the writing was done. If you stick a massive sword into a planet you would think that would be something that gets noticed more then it did in bfa. They could have used a number of other story telling devices to for sargeras to wound Azeroth to spill Azerite and require our OP weapons at the time to heal the corruption in order to initiate the story of bfa without resulting to having a massive sword sticking out of the crust. It is my belief that the story was changed behind the scenes due to the reception of the game at the time and they changed directions, but had nothing concrete to say about it until now.

@dr.zoidberg8666

7 ай бұрын

@@glyakk Nah, I disagree. The way we dealt with the sword was exactly whet made sense -- I think a group of the playerbase got in their heads that we'd pull the sword out or something, which is just crazy. I expected it to be a permanent feature of the world & I'm glad it is -- like the chicxulub crater from the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. More than that, it's a permanent monument to our victory over Sargeras -- to his ultimate failure to destroy Azeroth so the void couldn't turn it to their cause. Imho the sword of sargeras succeeds where the cataclysm failed: It changed the world in an epic, meaningful, & permanent way.

@glyakk

7 ай бұрын

@@dr.zoidberg8666 I get that and that’s a valid opinion, however the fact that blizzard stayed quiet about it this whole time makes it seem like it’s was accident to me. Maybe a happy accident in the end, but I feel like if you are going to permanently change such a drastic feature of the planet, have a rock solid story in place so you can say something like it’s now a monument to your victory over (fill in the blank) or hint what’s next, anything but crickets would have shown they were committed to a story and not scrambling to find a story.

He didn't come to an agreement with Sylvanas. She's the appointed leader of the Horde. Saurfang is all about honor, there's only one way to go against the Warchief and that's to challenge them to Mak'gora, a dual of/for honor. And that's what he does in a later cinematic.

saurfang lost his son, his wife, he was also high on demon blood in the past like all the other orcs that are green and remembers the atrocities he commited, he's still alive after 3 wars and growing old while most orcs die in battle (something they think is honorable). He's basically just done with life here and wants to go out honorably by going 1v1000 and hopefully taking out a bunch with him

damn i waited for you to watch this one. i love this one so much

Oh snap, I forgot that Anduin echoed Saurfang's line... Daaaaaaaaaang

I can't believe a game cinematic makes me tear up. But it does

What hurts is most sane horde were also very angry about the night elf tree. Sylvanas was never our warchief, especially after this. If the writing team was on the ball, most of us should have been allowed to pull a Saurfang

His life was given to Honor and the Horde, and now Sylvanas was destroying any honor the Horde had left.

6:07 that shot is absolutely beautiful

Oh, the troll noob, here, shows up here and there later. He's exactly the character role vis-à-vis Saurfang you describe; and serves to connect Varok's son by surrogate. I haven't played my Horde toons much the last few years (not for any particular reason), so I keep forgetting his name; but the player base turned him into a meme as Zappy Boy. :) Incidentally, Sylvanas KNEW elves she burned in that tree, including the woman who tells her she can't kill hope, whose head Sylvanas turns to watch it and responds, "Can't I?" None of this is pleasure for Sylvanas. She has a plan that nobody can fathom and extremely few agree with as they learn about it. As I said, Varok is her conscience, her honor; and what she does to him henceforth symbolizes her own dispossession of those facets of herself. And the hope she kills… is her own. Immediately after the Sylvanas scene insert, by the way, that is, right after the actual burning of Teldrassil, Horde players make one of those rare decisions offered in games, a taking of sides, that determines a bit of the character's experience in this element of the story arc. It's pretty cool, because it's so hard to program that variability into such a game.

You should watch the Battle for Azeroth cinematic trailer next, it plays right after this one and it is one of the best cinematic trailers :D

@HavocParadox

7 ай бұрын

Oh he did, gotta watch the livestreams

Like, imagine if you'd watched your boss do a genocide and then are being expected to lead the defence when your enemy are here to hold you to account for it. It's got major 1945 Berlin vibes to it.

He challenges Sylvanas in another cinematic called "Reckoning".

6:43 What a fantastic warcry! Lok'tar ogar!

you really should get all of the story for Saurfang. this cinematic was the beginning of it. look up and watch the rest, his whole story in Battle for Azeroth is an amazing story to be told. Blizzard needs to just do an animated series instead of live action, like what we got.

im so ready for you to watch the mak'gora cinematic

He takes the necklace off with sadness because his son died for a Horde, he no longer believes in. Because of Sylvanas actions. The horde might look like the bad guys often. But they have a strong code and tradition about honor.

I suggest one day you look up the Saurfang family lore. Both Varok (cinematics you see) and his brother Broxigar were legendary warriors who suffered from severe PTSD and survivor's guilt syndrome. The only hope for their family was Varok's son who, well.... you saw what happens to him in the Wrathgate cinematic.... Tragic and epic tales of warriors.

@hordenallimaniafan2565

7 ай бұрын

Don't forget Thura, she is related to both of them too, she is there Half-Niece, the daughter of there Halfbrother

its like I'm watching a serious Weird Al

You mentioned that the troll in the cinematic sounded Caribbean. The entire troll race, at least vocally, is based off of Jamaicans and their speech patterns

I think after watching all the wow cinematics you should revisit The War Within cinematic. Hit will hit harder and have more meaning.

There's some more symbolism in WoW with taking armor off. It greatly weakens the player when done. So Saurfang taking off his armor is him deliberately handicapping himself so the Alliance can kill him.

3:21:53 I'd say she's on-par with the arch-mage at this point. i.e. Possibly the greatest mage alive.

@PhilipHarts

7 ай бұрын

Woah! Awesome!

That moment when the character Blizzard wrote had more honor than the authors in Blizzard. Giving Saurfang such a shameful death with Sylvanas cheating her win. Sourfang should have walked into that honorable death with Alliance soldiers!

Be sure to watch the Battle for Azeroth (BfA) Trailer before you finish watching Saurfang's storyline cinematics

I can't wait for you to review tyrande vs sylvanas! Best fight scene in all of WoW!

@philipHarts After this cinematic came out a lot of player that wasn't okay with Sylvanas's chocies removes their shoulderpads in the game for MONTHS to protest just like Saurfang.

Philip: FOR THE HOOOOOOOOOOOORDE!! Me,an intellectual: always

If you like Classical Greek stories, I bet you'd dig the game Smite, a MOBA where the playable characters are gods, legends, and monsters from world mythologies. They have some amazing cinematics too, god reveal cinematics when they add in a new character, etc. The latest god added was Charon, Ferryman of Souls :D

Do the Burdens of Shaohao next!

05:08 What ive seen, what ive done.... same what Anduin says in the new cinematic

just wait for the full BFA cinematic, the music alone ...

BFA wasnt very fun due to the systems and chores, but the Cinematics were as always; TOP NOTCH.

Bravo.

Saurfang family legacy is legendary to the horde

WoW would of died years ago if not for the Animation team, single handedly kept the hope alive for the future of the game through some very trying times.

Around BfA they go all out on cinematics. You already watched the Warbringers and Old Soldier. Next in line would be the BfA cinematic trailer, then Lost Honor, Safe Haven and Reckoning before it goes into Shadowlands. There are a few ingame cinematics in between but fot that I give the direction to your chat then.

FOR THE HORDEEEEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!

Blizzards cinematics are genius