Harry Potter or Neville Longbottom...Who's better? Let the DEBATE RAGE!

@eezack1

9 жыл бұрын

OMG!!!!! THIS IS MY BEST PRESENT ON BIRTHDAY EVEEEEEERR!!!!!¡ The Film Theorists

@SuperVALERock

9 жыл бұрын

The Film Theorists This video is awesome!

@lolmaomgoml

9 жыл бұрын

At first I was skeptical thinking "of course he brings in quantum theory and multiple universes to prove his point." But then you surprised me yet again and made a valid argument

@noods8941

9 жыл бұрын

Like your intro pat

@RDSk0

9 жыл бұрын

The Film Theorists Neo

In an alternate universe: PatMat: "Film Theory: Neville Longbottom ISN'T The Chosen One? "

@leviosa9273

3 жыл бұрын

I hope so

@leviosa9273

3 жыл бұрын

@Hollie they are doing great! Thanks for asking

@ManzyDGoat

3 жыл бұрын

Neville longbottom and the deathly hallows

@leviosa9273

3 жыл бұрын

@@ManzyDGoat *-NO-*

@jenniferwera493

3 жыл бұрын

@@leviosa9273 HI HARRY IM READING THE SECOND BOOK

Two reasons Neville wasn't so good at magic: 1) He was intimidated by Snape. 2) He was trying to use his father's wand at his grandmother's insistence. His magic became much more powerful as he studied with Dumbledore's Army and more powerful again after he broke his father's wand and was able to go get a wand of his own. After fighting death eaters, I'm sure Snape seemed to be the least of his worries.

@fatcerberus

6 ай бұрын

why did I read that as "his father broke wind"

It’s literally said over and over in the books, and Harry even said it himself, Neville could’ve been the chosen one the prophecy told about, but the dark lord chose harry instead of Neville

@meihatsumi6045

2 жыл бұрын

@AlisaOMGrocks123 what book what page

@calleigh._.417

2 жыл бұрын

@@meihatsumi6045 Book 5 or 6, and I’m not gonna list the exact page, find it urself

@meihatsumi6045

2 жыл бұрын

@@calleigh._.417 K thank you

@yug123yug

2 жыл бұрын

YES!!

@v3nus523

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Neville would have died and the series would be over if Voldemort chose Neville

In the end we all know Voldemort is lazy and chose Harry because he was closer

@dominickeijzer5844

5 жыл бұрын

Actually, as DUMBLEDORE SAID IN THE BOOKS, Voldemort saw himself in Harry.

@dominickeijzer5844

5 жыл бұрын

R/Doublewoooosh Also, please spell Woooosh, as in the Subreddit, correctly.

@mummyreturns6188

4 жыл бұрын

@@dominickeijzer5844 how

@dominickeijzer5844

4 жыл бұрын

R/Woooosh Did I.. Did I purposefully miss s joke with no warning just to pretend to woooosh people as my woooosh? WOOOOSHCEPTION

@larf3995

4 жыл бұрын

Phoenix the Parrot well you cant blame him

“Neville gave Harry the gillyweed in year 4” Books: Sad Dobby noises.

@idkbutok3824

3 жыл бұрын

yeah

@mariajimenez-cf5bx

3 жыл бұрын

Poor dobby

@Morgan423Z

3 жыл бұрын

This is the film theory channel, not the book theory channel. For any movie based on a book, they are going to talk about the movie, not the book.

@unityfusion6674

3 жыл бұрын

@@Morgan423Z even so we can still debunk this so easily, literally in that same film Barty Crouch junior admits to being the one who told Neville about the gillie weed so he could tell harry, AND Neville did NOT raise Dumbledore's army, harry started it, he helped everyone get better, sure with the help of his crew but it started with him. I love this channel but this theory just ain't it, same as his star wars fallen order video that can be debunked by anybody who actually played the game

@christinetrayner

3 жыл бұрын

no poor dobby :( ☀︎

I mean I've never seen the movies but the books make it blatantly clear that it could have referred to either Harry or Neville. The only reason the prophecy became about Harry was because Voldemort chose Harry as he saw the Potter family as more of a threat or something to that effect.

@Ladida451

2 ай бұрын

Fair point. I've only really seen the movies and while Neville's amount of screen time is a bit odd, compared to the other non-trios, it's not overly obvious about the whole possible chosen one thing. I always thought of him as a plot device for over coming adversity. But having the "facts", you will, about Neville that's not super highlighted in the movies - it makes so much sense. If I gain the attention span for book series, I'll give it a go.

Matpat thinking he's made a new theory: Books: *vibes in canon*

The fact that either Neville or Harry may be the chosen one is well known and in fact stated in the books.

@goomymaster6417

8 жыл бұрын

+Audrey McKnight CinemaSins rules apply. The books don't matter. *ding*

@suda2849

8 жыл бұрын

+Edward Prince Yes.... Yes they do.

@goomymaster6417

8 жыл бұрын

Well of course they do. But not to this series. All evidence has to come from the films.

@suda2849

8 жыл бұрын

Edward Prince Whats the point in making a "film theory" when the theory is basically fact in what the film is based on?

@audreymcknight

8 жыл бұрын

+AnimeTheoriesHQ ~ 1080p Videos I agree! I mean, this isn't even a theory. It's basically saying, "Here's something mentioned in the books, but never in the movies! That makes the fact debatable!" I mean, really

I mean, JK chose Harry, since the title "Harry Potter" is more catchy than "Neville Longbottom"

@axelollo

4 жыл бұрын

Neville Longbottom and the Philosopher's Stone... Neville Longbottom and the Chamber of Secrets... Neville Longbottom and...

@t1a

4 жыл бұрын

@@axelollo "Neville Longbottom and the Chambers of Secrets" hmm...

@MoostachedSaiyanPrince

4 жыл бұрын

IDK, Harry Potter might be a more catchy name, but I'd still be tempted to buy the "Neville Longbottom" series of books for the potential butt jokes alone.

@DemBigOlEyes

4 жыл бұрын

​@@MoostachedSaiyanPrince We could say that Neville was the butt of jokes due to his name instead of being bullied for being the chosen one. I think he hit bottom with that one :)

@patrick9458

4 жыл бұрын

Neville Longbottom and the Half Blood Prince.....

Goodbye Matpat long live the theorists

It's not just "love", it's the intense, self-sacrificing love of a mother who used herself to shield Harry from a great evil and died in the process.

“He provides Harry with Gillyweed in year four.” I don’t care what the movies say, that was Dobby.

@lahlybird895

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@haydenshelton7892

4 жыл бұрын

That's why it's called Film Theory. It focuses on the films, but takes other sources into play.

@lahlybird895

4 жыл бұрын

@Kaden Chim could have But didnt

@user-tu2kt7ih9i

4 жыл бұрын

Yes It was Dobby the house-elf,not Neville

@lahlybird895

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-tu2kt7ih9i yes

Ok, it annoys me that Matt Patt goes through the whole "Neville also fits the bill for being the Chosen One" AS IF THAT ISN'T EXPLICITLY STATED IN THE BOOKS.

@shuragami7283

8 жыл бұрын

+Simalacrum Well, if he came to this conclusion without knowing the books said so, then props to him I guess. I don't think he would have made a video about it if he had known the books say it outright.

@prathameshkanbaskar5444

8 жыл бұрын

+Simalacrum The channel is *Film* Theories not Book Theories

@darknight0dc

8 жыл бұрын

^ yes! thank you! all of this is completely explained in the novels!

@soulhunter91

8 жыл бұрын

+Shuragami yeah, but he said that it was least favorite book in the series, so that means he read them and knew this was explained

@JacenSunrider

8 жыл бұрын

+Simalacrum Well, he has said that this same theory was in the books so clearly he was aware of that and didn't hide it.

10:30 Voldemort: I'M NOT GETTING DEFEATED BY SOMEONE NAMED *LONGBOTTOM!*

I'm really surprised that the movies left this detail out, to be honest. It was a core theme in the last 3 books - Harry was the Chosen One _only because Voldemort chose him_ and he himself could have chosen to walk away from that burden at any time - it only became his "destiny" because of 1. What kind of person Harry is, and 2. That _Voldemort_ believed the prophecy and would never stop until Harry was dead, even if that meant putting himself directly in harm's way. Which is incredibly poetic: it's a "destiny" born entirely of two peoples' free will.

I like how this entire video was an actual chapter in Harry Potter

@justinwhy6550

3 жыл бұрын

Can u please tell me which book and chapter number, i dont remember

@monie802

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinwhy6550 pretty sure it’s at the end of order of the Phoenix after Harry finds out about the prophecy.

@carolinesleit3352

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinwhy6550 it’s order of the Phoenix, chapter is called ‘the lost prophecy’

@justinwhy6550

3 жыл бұрын

@@carolinesleit3352 ok thanks

@emersenfischer2873

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Great video, but most of us watching already know this. Matpat didn't really come up with it, it's explicitly stated in the book

*reads the books* it says that neville and harry both fufilled the prophecy so voldermort went for the most intimitating one in his opinion, harry.

@jamesbuckland2105

7 жыл бұрын

*looks at the video* Oh..

@fellwolf3477

7 жыл бұрын

James Buckland true

@definitelynoroboontwitter691

7 жыл бұрын

James Buckland film theory ~~~

@swagolicious3247

7 жыл бұрын

It's not that he thought he was the biggest threat, it's because Voldemort and Harry are both half bloods and Voldemort related to him best, the only reason Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort made it that way

@definitelynoroboontwitter691

7 жыл бұрын

Swagolicious 324 how is harry half blood his mom is a witch and his dad is a wizard

This is explicitly discussed in the books. The idea is that neville could have been the one, but Voldemort chose harry. In fact, i'm pretty sure this is portrayed as grounding to harry as he realizes his circumstances were as they are due largely to chance

Tell me you haven’t read the books without telling me you haven’t read the books. This was a whole plot point, my dude 😂

It's not a theory. It's a pretty clear fact according to the books

@wolfydawolf1296

7 жыл бұрын

definitely, i don't remember for sure cuz it's been a while but i'm positive that Dumbledore himself told Harry that Neville was just as likely to become the chosen one and that Voldy chose Harry because Harry had a pureblood father and muggleborn mother, similar to how Voldemort had a muggle father and a pureblood mother

@emilybell6958

7 жыл бұрын

I just finished reading the series and you're absolutely right. Dumbledore straight up tells Harry that it could have been Neville. He explains to Harry that Voldemort was trying to find someone that met the qualifications and he found Harry first. (At least that's what I remember him saying) I'm kind of disappointed in this theory...I mean...it's completely right but it's already said in the books.

@wolfydawolf1296

7 жыл бұрын

+Emily Bell he didn't tell Harry that Voldemort found him 1st, he told Harry that Voldemort was more scared of Harry because of their similarities Neville is a pureblood, that's pointed out in book 2 when someone tells him he doesn't need to buy the protective charms to ward away the basilisk, but Harry had a pureblood father and a muggleborn mother Voldemort had a pureblood mother and a muggle father, Harry and Voldemort had almost the exact same parents that way, and that is why Voldemort chose Harry, the one who was most likely himself, the one he most feard

@wolfydawolf1296

7 жыл бұрын

+Emily Bell i wrote a big long comment about why Voldemort chose Harry but i accidentally deleted it so i'm just gonna say Voldy was scared of Harry because they both had a pureblood parent and a muggle related parent, Voldy had a pure muggle dad and Harry had a muggleborn mom

@patricio7081

7 жыл бұрын

And Neville did not provide the plants in the goblet of fire it was Dobbi read a book

Matpat: thats just a theory, a film theory Everyone who has actually read the books: NO ITS NOT ITS FACTS i still love your channel btw

@jellbeeboy

3 жыл бұрын

or, yes a film theory since its not called book theory

@t0mmygun500

3 жыл бұрын

@@jellbeeboy nah... In other theories the content of books in considered cannon, so that should apply here as well

@filip_lf

3 жыл бұрын

Book gang

@myahdobbins3366

3 жыл бұрын

ik

@JavaScrapper

3 жыл бұрын

Me who read all books: you think this is new?????

I feel like Neville has always proven himself to be the bravest hero in the movie. It takes bravery to stand up to your enemies but a great deal more to stand uo to your friends.

This just goes to show how much I’ve seen the movies vs reading the books…. I do not remember Neville giving Harry Gillyweed, I just remember when Dobby does in the book😂

The title: “Harry Potter ISN’T THE CHOSEN ONE?” Me reading the title: “Oh? OH! I know this one! ITS NEVILLEEEE!!”

@lilystedman4385

3 жыл бұрын

That was me too😂

@jamilamimi8914

2 жыл бұрын

Bullshit! Harry and only harry..

@leonorcrafts9877

2 жыл бұрын

Lmao same

@heartofdaisys4334

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@Phantom_Fireside

2 жыл бұрын

I said the same

Matpat: Harry was just whining the entire book 4 about being special Me: Literally looking at the line where Harry says "I just wanna be normal" over and over

@09dindaayularasati65

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh, SO MANY people have misconceptions about Harry's character. It's disconcerting.

@Alondra-lf3pk

3 жыл бұрын

Periodt.

@kevinmelendez1460

3 жыл бұрын

It’s book 5

@abdulrahmanbunkheila3889

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah dude people base everything on the movies when the books have the facts. read the books people!

@matthewsimon6170

3 жыл бұрын

@@abdulrahmanbunkheila3889 because he's film theory, and their different canons. Even some of the most minuet things in the book are different in the movies, why would he compare them? Besides, his theory isn't even wrong, making your comment even more pointless.

I think That's why the birth dates are mentioned twice 🤔

Here son, this, this is where it all started, a legend.

the book confirms this theory, Dumbledore confirms it himself.

@meganmacneil6674

7 жыл бұрын

Yes he says Nevil could be the chosen one. But he also says that it is Harry because Voldemort marked him as his equal.

@nota5wagyu

7 жыл бұрын

Megan Macneil This Theory Says That Though, Watch The Video Before You Comment!

@maxevans5611

7 жыл бұрын

would love a quote or series of quote, or page number, or anything more than just a word

@jackhealy2434

7 жыл бұрын

yeah, i thought matpat was a genius, and then about a year later i read the chapter of the book where dumbledore explains that. and kinda felt betrayed. and then i watched the link is dead video again and reminded myself he's a bit of a genius who just sometimes states the obvious as a theory.

@trojan_z1591

7 жыл бұрын

Max Evans l

Imagine being caught by your parents reading a book called “Longbottom”

@malachipg7576

3 жыл бұрын

69th

@HalaNixNyx

3 жыл бұрын

lmao

@pohjanakka4992

3 жыл бұрын

Might make for an interesting story though if the author did decide to tell that side of the story. Let's say a short trilogy... too much of the story is already known for anything longer, and the books would probably be a lot shorter than most of the ones in the Harry Potter series. Or maybe just two books. Or one a bit longer one. But yep, she should probably call it something else than "Longbottom". Maybe "Neville's story" or something.

@Ymylock

3 жыл бұрын

“Neville Longbottom and the way too hard stone”

@HalaNixNyx

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ymylock XD

Villain: *exists* The power of love and friendship: and i took that personally.

J.K.Rowling actually included this in a conversation between Dumbledore and Harry. Albus clearly says that it could have either been Harry or Neville. Voldemort only chose Harry because he saw a greater threat in Harry

This was explained exactly at the end of book 5

@emilywright1390

8 жыл бұрын

Yep :/

@yunjikim3514

8 жыл бұрын

WAT

@studywithcaro5652

8 жыл бұрын

+MrLegoman880 That's exactly what I was going to say XDD

@JasonGodwin69

8 жыл бұрын

+MrLegoman880 It's a MatPrat video, were you expecting something better?

@TheVilivan

8 жыл бұрын

+Jason Godwin It's usually better

I always felt SO bad for Neville. More than I did for Harry, or any other character. He was CONSTANTLY trying to help Harry, and he never got anything out of it. He almost DIED trying to help him. I even cried when I saw him with scars.

@quietstew843

3 жыл бұрын

Dont worry have you seen the pictures of how he looks like now? I think that makes up for it

@NnickStrawH

2 жыл бұрын

u know same at least harry wasn't that full of himself i mean he was sometimes but we would all be if we were the "the chosen one"

@CXP3D

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah harry was never selfish and Neville is his friend

@Jeditb

2 жыл бұрын

@@quietstew843 oh absolutly Matthew Lewis is hot!

@littleclover775

2 жыл бұрын

pretty sure he was rewarded for his bravery and (unrelated) ended up as the herbology teacher.

what about the "power the dark lord knows not" and being "marked as his equal"? Voldemort did not give Neville as much marking as he did harry

@avagardiner5370

Жыл бұрын

Neville didn’t grow up with his parents, much like Tom Riddle was an orphan; in that moment he was marked as an equal. Not physically like Harry, but still emotionally scarred.

@grimmsoul3096

Жыл бұрын

@@avagardiner5370 Voldemort was meant to "mark him as his equal" do i have to remind you WHO made Neville's parents insane?

The 1st ever film theory… or was it 6th 🤔

Which also explains why Snape was so cruel to Neville. He blamed him for Lily's death. Because if Voldemort would have chosen the other path to kill Neville and his family the Potters would have lived.

@rubyb617

8 жыл бұрын

***** I think he knows that subconiously and deals with the guilt he feels for that by projecting blame and his anger onto neville and harry

@BrandonCase

8 жыл бұрын

Only interesting part to this video ^

@dddmemaybe

8 жыл бұрын

morgan dodson Voldemort was prolly too much of a bitch-ass to fight Neville's parents in a 2v1. He pulled a bitchy sneak attack on the Potters as plan B.

@courier3258

8 жыл бұрын

morgan dodson OMFG

@elizabethjanzen5359

8 жыл бұрын

DOESNT EXCUSE IT

But this isn't really a theory. In the books it is explained that harry or neville could be the chosen one, but Voldemort decided to believe Harry is the chosen one... This isn't a theory, if you have read the books.

@valence_electronica

9 жыл бұрын

When do the books ever say that?!

@dusanmerdzanovski6051

9 жыл бұрын

The book when Harry learns about the prophecy. The fifth or sixth one i think.

@breadcrumbs3530

9 жыл бұрын

What language? It might not be in the English books.

@jonathanplatt5027

9 жыл бұрын

Allison Koester End of the 5th book, which is the source for this video talking about it at 11:08

@micahphelps9025

9 жыл бұрын

Allison Koester it was in the english books.

Love the one second Sandman reference at 13:47

I was so excited to be blown away and then I just get a more in depth explanation on exactly what is stated in the books.... But I gave you a thumbs up for the work you put in!

Any Harry Potter fan knows this already as it is explicitly explained by Dumbledore in the books directly to Harry. Especially how Voldemort was the deciding factor. In attempting to preempt the prophecy, Voldemort unwittingly played into it, and created his counterpart in the prophecy: Harry Potter. (lol he should have watched That's So Raven.) Like you mentioned, one of the early foundational blocks of Neville possibly being the chosen one is him being sorted into Gryffindor when we were all clearly thinking he'd end up in Hufflepuff. That's why Harry Potter is one of the most brilliant fantasy books ever. It is extraordinarily well thought out. With a really incredible villain origin story might I add (how the genetic in-breeding produced messed up people (scientifically true), Tom being the last ancestor of Slytherin, hating his name, seeking power his whole life, using charm and good looks to manipulate people, etc. Deep psychological stuff going on. Such a well-written villain.). While you may scoff at it, the power of love makes enormous sense. In real life, children who fail to bond to a loving adult, end up with attachment disorder. They hurt people and have no sympathy, guilt, or remorse. Love is VERY important when it comes to human development.

@seacrest73

9 жыл бұрын

AppeasingPoet But I still love you MatPat and remain a loyal theorist.

@nightpool4946

9 жыл бұрын

Yes! That's what I said! The prophecy could have meant Neville, but Voldemort's actions ensured that it was Harry!

@ravenknightvincent2722

9 жыл бұрын

AppeasingPoet The thing is, this is a Flim Theorist channel

@Tletna

9 жыл бұрын

AppeasingPoet But Neville Longbottom ensured Voldemort's death with the death of the last horcrux, Nagini.. thus Neville was the chosen one, quite clearly so. Dumbledore uses Harry as bait knowing that Voldemort would suspect Harry was the chosen one. Harry was special like Voldemort and Dumbledore in some ways, but he was no Neville Longbottom.

@elisesmith5717

9 жыл бұрын

Fenmio That's assuming that the prophecy refers to a physical mark. It makes sense as a turn of phrase, Voldemort marking as in acknowledging Neville as his enemy, both of them heading armies on the field of battle

In the books they specifically say that Neville and Harry are both the chosen one that's why his parents were tortured into insanity

@mutthatter4891

7 жыл бұрын

and thus Grindelwald being so important in fantastic beasts

@glittery_cucumber

7 жыл бұрын

That's not the reason they were tortured into insanity. Voldemort never understood the prophecy fully, so he and the Death Eaters didn't know about option 2 - Neville. Voldemort chose Harry (marked him as his equal), so from then on, Harry WAS the chosen one. The whole deal behind this is that Voldemort got so freaked out by the prophecy, he acted on it and dug his own grave in the process. If he had just chilled out and not tried to kill Harry at all, there wouldn't have been a chosen one.

@smegleymunroe863

7 жыл бұрын

The film theorists are giving us NO NEW INFO

@OMartinez91

7 жыл бұрын

Mutt Hatter Actuslly they were tortured despite the prophecy. Voldemort picked Harry because he was a half-blood, just like him, while Neville is a pureblood, the image of perfection for Voldemort and hid followers, and during the Battle of Hogwarts, Voldemort even tries to spare him despite being the head of the rebellion group of students in Hogwarts, and even claims that it would have been a waste to let pureblood wizard like Neville would have been a waste. If Neville have been a half-blood too, then Voldemort would have also targeted Nevile

@haileyblum5037

6 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY MY POINT

Looking back at the books this is such a smart theory. Neville not thinkable about to fans was so cool to hear. Keep up the good work Matpat

Wait, I thought the lighting bolt scar, and making Harry a horcrux was an accidental result of Lilly's interference. Voldemort wasn't marking him as an equal, he was just trying to murder a baby. Theoretically, Longbottom should have been next in line for Voldemort's magical baby murder spree. I read the books, but I don't remember if that ever came up as an actual thing. It's been awhile since I read the books.

This is explained in the books by Dumbledore, although good job noticing the small details.

@Lwnorrie

9 жыл бұрын

FILM theorists, FILM theorists. Not BOOK theorists lol

@parallel4

9 жыл бұрын

Lucas Norrie Well, the films too XD

@Lwnorrie

9 жыл бұрын

Emerald Daffodils Rly, never noticed that. Probably because when I was little I never listned to what they said, I only was there for the action and shit :D

@marcsomerhausen1926

8 жыл бұрын

Emerald Daffodils He used facts from the books for his theory, he didn't "notice small details". This video is just bad as the films don't provide Neville's date of birth, he obviously fished it in the books without mentioning the fact that Dumbledore explained in book 5 that Neville could have been the one but wasn't chosen by Voldemort.

@parallel4

8 жыл бұрын

Marc Somerhausen Yes, the theory is still the same, but he does pick out a few examples and link them to the theory.

That's why Snape hates Neville because he could have become the chosen one, and Lilly could have survived

@YuzuLeanne

7 жыл бұрын

Elise Watkins 😱😱😱

@Cheezmonka

7 жыл бұрын

Elise Watkins That makes too much sense, stop it! Seriously though, nice catch.

@nekosuki7366

7 жыл бұрын

Elise Watkins Nope. its because Neville was terrible in his class. not to be rude, but yeah. let's face it; Neville is horrible at potions.

@janiceye5895

7 жыл бұрын

lol true

@hwk4673

7 жыл бұрын

Valentino Smit nor did harry,Neville and dumbledore

Anyone else doing a watch through of old videos now that he’s leaving yt?

The Mandrake sounds ever time they are on screen are so funny! XD

The prophesy is garbage. Dumbledore points this out in the sixth book. The prophecy (in all its vagueness) happens to come true because Voldemort happens to believe in it. Also, Neville didn't come up with the gillyweed - that was Barty Crouch Jr.

@daasbuffy

9 жыл бұрын

Departed Reflections Greek Mythology is also filled with these types of prophecies. Self fulfilling prophecies always come across as an Aesop about seeking knowledge of the future to me but done in a larger piece of fiction can come across as a Deus Ex Machina plot device.

@Skylos

9 жыл бұрын

Departed Reflections Yeah but matpat only said that he GAVE Harry the gillyweeds. And the idea was actually kinda Nevilles. It was Nevilles own idea even though he wouldn't have gotten the idea without Barty Crouch who gave Neville the book containing the information Harry would need

@oninoni

9 жыл бұрын

***** And in the Books Dobby gave it to Harry....

@Skylos

9 жыл бұрын

oninoni1234 Good point. Had almost forgotten that to be honest. But i guess since this is Film-Theory we are suposed to go after the movies, but shmeh

@Fragacide

9 жыл бұрын

Departed Reflections Barty pointed him to the right book. And Dumbledore merely pointed out the same thing that Mattpat did: It was Voldemort who created the chosen one by going to Harry first and (also by what you say) believing that he was the one. That belief caused him to give Harry the connection between them, and pushing Harry down the path (instead of Neville) of fulfilling the prophecy.

Harry was chosen because he was a halfblood just as Voldemort was. He figured a halfblood would be his equal not a pureblood

@Aster_Night

4 жыл бұрын

@@chattywatty3963 no hes considered a halfblood since he had a muggleborn mother. Only way harry could be a pure loo was if he had a pure blood mother which he didnt

@Aster_Night

4 жыл бұрын

No problem. And yeah I think even JK Rowling has stated that's why harry was the chosen one

@diamondexplorer9309

4 жыл бұрын

Ellie Franks yeah, that’s D’s explanation to Harry

@huskiidagoatt4921

4 жыл бұрын

He didn’t even know about that part though

@Luukolas

4 жыл бұрын

He chose harry bc he thought Harry had a lot of simularity's to himself. That harry was a halfblood was a part of it but not the entire reason.

Also in one of the books when Harry is thinking about Neville it actually states. “Neville could have easily been the chosen one instead of him” which is another part to this

I love Harry Potter and all the movies and this video doesn’t really change my option of anything but I love watching you keep up the good work man

Anyone who has read the books knows this. It's hardly a theory, it's a well known fact to be honest.

@Mr.Bob-Gray

4 жыл бұрын

Tekkie74 yes that’s so true. I have all the books

@ottoettema9281

4 жыл бұрын

@@Mr.Bob-Gray everyone dous

@Adrex-iq4hx

4 жыл бұрын

True

@Adrex-iq4hx

4 жыл бұрын

True

@lakshmidevigotru3399

4 жыл бұрын

exactly

When you realize the books confirmed this 'theory' before it was ever made...

@Seedonator

4 жыл бұрын

When you realize books are an outdated medium. Edit: please ignore, this is an outdated comment

@aaronemerson8049

4 жыл бұрын

Seedonator When you realize that book sales are still pretty damn high and just because you’re too damn lazy to read doesn’t mean nobody reads anymore

@jonarbuckle778

4 жыл бұрын

There is also something called audio books too for those who don't want to pick up a good old fashioned book.

@meatburger28

4 жыл бұрын

@@jonarbuckle778 ok boomer

@Georg5555

4 жыл бұрын

sweaty_rat_gremlinnnx are you trying to find comments to make boomer jokes to feel better about yourself ? 😂 MOM I USED A MEME JOKE LOOK AT ME Lmfao the guy just said there’s audio books for the people that don’t wanna read

9:06 so the most icon moment is in the most forgotten episode..... insert some philosophical philosophy theory number 42 here.

Wasn't there an entire scene where Harry thinks about this and the different possible outcomes of Neville being chosen by voldemort instead ?

this is gonna be about Neville isn't it

@shaedbear

7 жыл бұрын

damnit

@mmondee6930

7 жыл бұрын

+Crystalline101 I had the exact same thoughts....

@mayflower1629

7 жыл бұрын

I was like just waiting for Neville name

@galaleeogalagirl1816

7 жыл бұрын

I thought the exact same.

@korikramer221

7 жыл бұрын

Me too.

I have a theory on how Voldemort lost his nose, he missed the platform 9 wall. Lol.

@acapraichu4879

5 жыл бұрын

He got his nose smacked to the wall..LOL

@tabithaondriezek2171

5 жыл бұрын

Lmao XD that would be me

@brookepelletier4165

5 жыл бұрын

ha ha very funny : |

@wispetzz

5 жыл бұрын

no some one stole his nose

@zhen4736

5 жыл бұрын

LMAO I’m Dying 😂 😂 😂

One of the few film theory videos I watched once. Lets have a rewatch.

The way I always looked at it was it could’ve been either Harry or Neville, but since Voldemort chose to go after Harry himself in person (he sent death eaters after neville’s parents) that’s what cemented Harry as the chosen one. If he switched it up and went after Neville’s parents and send the death eaters to lily and James then it’d be Neville long bottom and sorcerers stone 🤣

MatPat: Yeah Yeah, The fifth book was some filler (blah blah) Ron (Editor): **makes a scene with Sirius Black getting killed** Me: **sobbing**

@thepandanesianquetzal1158

5 жыл бұрын

@Bread NoLastName you could just not click on any harry potter videos...

@thepandanesianquetzal1158

5 жыл бұрын

@Bread NoLastName ... okie then

@soxulschannel609

5 жыл бұрын

He is so stupid it said this in the book

@starfleetcomm

5 жыл бұрын

Dahlia Baharuddin #relaitible

@venusflytr4p537

5 жыл бұрын

Me too

Read the books, kids, and you could've known all of this without have having MattPat explain it (although he is great at explaining things).

@sfm4life613

9 жыл бұрын

I know right! BOOKS4DAWIN

@shanaeverowe9626

9 жыл бұрын

Never read the books, got forced to watch the movies. Was calling longbottom the real star by the 4th movie(because damn with a name like that you are either the greatest ever or....the walking punchline)

@joannakamphuis8723

9 жыл бұрын

MultiMagniGladii The only reason Nevill wasn't chosen by Voldemort is because he is a fullblood wizard, while Harry is a halfblood

@chillysunny2324

9 жыл бұрын

Joanna Kamphuis Yeah, Voldemort was more scared of half-blod wizard, because Voldemort himself is half-blod.

@Deamounios

9 жыл бұрын

Sun Light He wasn't more scared, he believed himself the best, and while he hates "Mud Bloods" (Punched in the face) he believes they have the most potential, just like he did. It was more his own vanity and less fear. Also Harry's not a half blood he has more wizard blood than muggle.

10:45 a thought here. Technically (Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, this whole many worlds and alternate timelines thing it hard for me to wrap my head around) Voldemort wasn't the one who had a choice to make. It was Rowling. She decided what Voldemort would decide as she wrote Order of the Phoenix, and in doing so created an alternate timeline for all the books that came before _and_ after it. Right? Does that follow the logic of this, I'm barely following the logic of it at all.

3:14 yeah,yeah I know who it is It is Nevile it says in both book and the movie

@jelenaborovinic2868

2 жыл бұрын

I KNOW IT

He acknowledges that J.K. Rowilng already told us this, he just makes it into a 14 minute video instead of a 800 something paged book.

@alexisw2006

4 жыл бұрын

The Order of the Pheonix has 870 pages

@bestofthewest6463

4 жыл бұрын

Alexis White shut. up.

@greatomeister675

4 жыл бұрын

Either way everyone is making money

@PlayerN101

4 жыл бұрын

@@bestofthewest6463 Dude the person is just helping and Alexis is correct Order of the Phoenix has 870 numbered pages

@armadillolover99

4 жыл бұрын

Well tbf, he said it was subtle and that only “careful fans” could see it which wasn’t true because it was said straight out in the book pretty much as detailed as how he said it and explained way more concisely in the context of the book than this 14 minute video.

Actually Dobby found the gillyweed because "Madeye" let him hear him

@jaredgwynn5954

5 жыл бұрын

Dobby was the real chosen one

@buckyball2003

5 жыл бұрын

That’s in the books, but he was talking about the films. Good point tho

@thomasduong5120

4 жыл бұрын

@@jaredgwynn5954 I wish XD

@emblazen6442

4 жыл бұрын

Plus Neville only knew about it because "Madeye" gave him the book that contained it.

@DeathIsLethal

4 жыл бұрын

@@buckyball2003 wdym? It was stated in the movie by the fake Madeye that he gave Neville the books, we even have the scene where Madeye tells Neville that he had some books for him or something like that. It was in the movie as well.

'He will have power the Dark Lord knows not...' Literally applies to everyone who has a nose

Well this was not what i expected. Matpat, take the feedback, this was explained 100% in the books. We all know this.

Hope Neville kills the second most evil witch/wizard: Umbridge >:(

@hayleyzefox610

5 жыл бұрын

Not himmm!!!

@leoyori9829

4 жыл бұрын

Bellatrix lestrange and Miss McDonagh Umbridge is a woman which means she’s a witch

@oerosmen

4 жыл бұрын

Ooooooooof

@lunarstar6483

4 жыл бұрын

No umbrige (sorry if I spelled it wrong) is the most evil

@dionysusgodoftrans

4 жыл бұрын

Actually he did kill voldemort, he killed nagini

I love how MatPat made a film theory video about something that was already confirmed in the books

@daravenboi

Жыл бұрын

so true that was kinda dumb

@googs_forever

Жыл бұрын

@@daravenboi the raven💀

@SpiderLynk

Жыл бұрын

huge L on his part

@chilloutalr

11 ай бұрын

hello person from 2 years ago

@jonrosenthal6556

9 ай бұрын

Hello person from 1 month ago

The Theorists Cinematic Adventure Part 1 starts here, with MatPat as the main protagonist.

Wait this is the first film theory and its one of the best ones

Didn't the book clearly state that Neville COULD HAVE been the chosen one but Voldemort CHOSE Harry?

@vampedtone

6 жыл бұрын

yes it did!

@Jim-so3zm

6 жыл бұрын

Strawberry Wolfy AJ Yes but I'm guessing a lot of people who've seen the movies haven't read the books.

@ravneetandgurneetatwalandk9549

6 жыл бұрын

Strawberry Wolfy AJ ikr also jk rowling said her self even if he was the chosen one he would not be able to defeat voldemort i forgot y

@stacyregan3254

6 жыл бұрын

Strawberry Wolfy AJ yes yes it did

@sakuraogami6885

6 жыл бұрын

FILM theory dude

Before watching this: It's Neville isn't it, If you say Neville IMMA BE SOO ANGRY BECAUSE THEY LITERALLY MENTION IT IN THE BOOK

@brezzy5159

6 жыл бұрын

Random_ 824 I KEPT SAYING THAT TOO

@ragged_zombie8432

6 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was going to say 😈

@shaktiashok07

6 жыл бұрын

Random_ 824 right that was already covered

@ShadowLinkxMaster

6 жыл бұрын

Random_ 824 Yeah, but, the sad thing is, how many read the books? You’d be surprised by how many people just wait for the movies. Which is unfortunate. The books show more than the movies can ever do.

@merryvanveldhuizen2889

6 жыл бұрын

same I haven't watched it yet

you ever just return to an old video and you look at the upload date seeing "6 years ago" and feel old even tho you just became an adult within the last couple years... like i remember when this channel was announced and it feels like it was only like 1.5 years ago

“Hey you, Scar boi” *Shows Scarface*

This is not a theory, this is a fact, it is said in the books, so it's canon

@theheromaster487

8 жыл бұрын

AnimatingDreams But thats just a theory, a FILM theory. Thanks for watching!

@AnimatingDreams

8 жыл бұрын

No it's not .-.

@tkaing61

8 жыл бұрын

+AnimatingDreams FILM theory. Not book theory.

@AnimatingDreams

8 жыл бұрын

it's still canon

@WolfCraft18

8 жыл бұрын

AnimatingDreams HELLO "FILM" THEORY! NOT "BOOK" THEORY!

They literally mention in the books that the prophecy COULD have been about neville. if harry hat not been born one day later, neville would have been the chosen one.

@antiantiderivative

9 жыл бұрын

No, they both could've been the chosen one, except the CHOSEN one was chosen by Voldemort

@cfloster

9 жыл бұрын

iamanenigma unknowntotheworld i agree that they are both the chosen one, but if one was not alive (or born), the other would be the chosen one

@antiantiderivative

9 жыл бұрын

Actually, none of the, were the chosen one. Trelawney's prophecy was actually a bunch of nonsense, or the equivalent of. If her prophecy had been a description of Seamus Finnigan, and Voldemort had tried to kill him instead of Harry, and his mother protected him, he would have been the chosen one, not Harry. This goes for everyone in the wizarding world. It was Voldemort's belief of the prophecy which was what made it true to him, but it was never true until Voldemort made it true.

@cfloster

9 жыл бұрын

iamanenigma unknowntotheworld that is also a theme of the books. You can make your own danger by being afraid of something.

@cfloster

9 жыл бұрын

***** Just curious, what holes are you referring to. I don't know many in the series.

Just coming back to rewatch old theory goodies.

@theresasanda8845

2 ай бұрын

Same☹️

I was trying to explain this theory to my sister (she's a decently big Harry Potter fan, but I don't think she's read the books. She loves all the movies, though), but I just couldn't word it right, so she was misunderstanding what I was saying. So I just had her watch it on my phone (big day today, I got her to watch this and got my grandma to watch a food theory episode with me. Nobody ever listens to me when I talk about something from these channels) and she made arguments against it here and there before she paused and went back to think on her arguments before agreeing to the points. At the end of the video, she didn't seem to buy into it, but she basically said that this theory had good points, was put together well and was just, ya know? *Good* So good job, dude! You impressed my sister and had her understand a few things she was confused about! Maybe I can *finally* get someone in my family to watch these videos with me? It'd be nice to have someone understand what I'm talking about for once.

There's a fact everyone ignore: even if Voldemort had picked Neville first, things wouldn't have played out the same, since the only reason Harry survived and got the power to defeat him is because his mother had a choice and CHOSE to sacrifice her life. I mean surely Lily is not the first parent to be willing to die for their child (so did James) but with her it was different because she had the choice. Why? Because Snape asked Voldemort to spare Lily's life. Would he have done the same for Alice? No. Neville would have died. Therefore Harry was always meant to be the Chosen One. It could never have been Neville.

@silversunshine2410

3 жыл бұрын

You hv a pretty fair point. This comment is underrated. It needs more likes and recognition

@WeirdDuck781

3 жыл бұрын

@@silversunshine2410 Would probably need more diehard fans thinking about that or coming up with a response on it. To me is also a fair point indeed

@silversunshine2410

3 жыл бұрын

@@WeirdDuck781 yeah. I hope people find this comment. The confusion will reduce a bit I guess if they do

@Alondra-lf3pk

3 жыл бұрын

Holy fudge you’re right 😳

@MrGergasikuat

3 жыл бұрын

child of prophecy is clearly remark as TWO by JKR. while 'The chosen one' is the one whom Voldemort choose since the book title narrative. while 'Child of prophecy' suppose to who make job done which also by the two boys, one who raised army to defeat Death Eaters (later defeat his last Horcrux) and another one who confront him directly.

The book had talked about this... So yeah

@gabrielvanbockstaele1229

8 жыл бұрын

I read it too, but sadly books don't apply...

@aiiko857

8 жыл бұрын

+Gabriel Van Bockstaele How does the book not apply? The books came first.

@lovelyhorses42

8 жыл бұрын

I think he means that Film didn't put the books in consideration when making this video.

@gabrielledawna

8 жыл бұрын

yeah I mean it's called FILM theory

@lovelyhorses42

8 жыл бұрын

that's true... but I feel like this isn't really a theory BECAUSE it was mentioned

It’s been a while since I read the book, but if I’m not mistaken in Order of the Phoenix the movie, the spherical prophecy that Harry retrieves in the Ministry of Magic had his name on it. He was the only one that could take it and that’s when it spoke the prophecy about him having to battle Voldemort and one couldn’t live while the other also lived. So that right there made Harry the chosen one as well. Granted we don’t know Neville’s as it wasn’t shown.

Matt Pat is the only one who can make a fact, clearly stated from the book sound like the best video ever

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3 ай бұрын

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@ADOGNAMEDCUPCAKE

3 ай бұрын

​@@Zixy_FN💀💀

The fact that Neville could have been the chosen one is very well explained in the books. and the reason that Harry is the chosen one is because Voldemort chose to mark him with that scar

@joelkissela679

8 жыл бұрын

She did set that up on purpose.

@averyfranz7766

8 жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@aliisajarvinen8993

8 жыл бұрын

Harry was chosen to defeat Voldemort, Neville was chosen to lead the army

@crappy_coffee7701

8 жыл бұрын

+AliceGrace Good point, but what if were all the chosen one's because love and other reasons.

@ChaoticFeathers

8 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, I just reread the books for nostalgia, and this whole video is literally just what was said in the books. (Maybe this is for the film watchers only?) Voldie knew about both kids being born at the time he knew the prophecy stated but chose Harry because he wasn't a full blood like himself as Neville was a full blood. (Voldilogic?)

the real reason Voldemort hates Harry is because Harry stole his nose

@quack2757

5 жыл бұрын

*loud snort of agreement*

@SpellboundWolf

5 жыл бұрын

Voldemort has no nose because he is designed after a snake.

@lungemineenthusiast

5 жыл бұрын

hahaahah

@danielstack1798

5 жыл бұрын

No he doesn't have a nose because he ran into the wrong wall at platform 9 3/4

@andrewthecow284

5 жыл бұрын

no one actually nose if that’s true or not tbh

After I watch the last film theory, I decided to watch the first one for old times shakes

what a great theory!😊 i wonder if there is anything in the books about it?😅

Who else read the books and was facepalming the whole time

@ridafatima9583

4 жыл бұрын

Eyes roll the whole time!!!!!!

@johnathonstorrey2693

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. but this is film theory, not novel theory

@fi1e3rr0r7

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnathonstorrey2693 Yeah. I know. Thats what i was going to say too. But then i remembered that he _did_ read the books (he mentioned in the begining of the episode) and it's not like he hasnt used books in his other theories

@fi1e3rr0r7

4 жыл бұрын

Altho i guess this is one of his earlier ones. So he might have just been trying this out. And i can see why he might not have actually read the books (seeing how looonnnggg they are) but that doesn't mean i cant find it stupid

@jellbeeboy

3 жыл бұрын

yeah, he just made a video saying whatever he wanted, no one should take what he says as a fact and he just wanted to say it as something he wanted to make a video about bc why not

Neville Longbottem and the sorcerers stone Doesn’t quite have the same ring to it

@purplecatloverrandompizza

4 жыл бұрын

Let's try the other one Neville longbottom and the philosophers Stone Yeah still

@Blaze-vx6lv

4 жыл бұрын

Actually if you think about it nothing that isnt created sounds right for example instead of say KFC it was AFC

@laynapasco4930

4 жыл бұрын

but if J.K Rowling had CHOSEN to call it Neville Longbottom and The Sorcerers Stone, Harry Potter would've sounded weird.

@jellbeeboy

3 жыл бұрын

pet peeve: the original book was the philosophers stone

@jjgaming347

3 жыл бұрын

It's Longbott _o_ m not Longbott _e_ m

Film theory is ending so just enjoying the first film theory they posted

Ah, so this is a prophecy with a backup chosen one

I like your theories but, they clearly state in the books multiple times that it was possible that Neville could've been the chosen one. Just a gripe.

@RaketenKuhGewehr

9 жыл бұрын

Sameer Ramzan Yep, it was made painfully obvious.

@NothinButRock

9 жыл бұрын

Sameer Ramzan "Film Theory" not "Book Theory"

@Sam-Rafael

9 жыл бұрын

The films are based on the book, they both cover the same thing. Surely if you are going to write a theory of the Harry Potter film you are effectively making a theory about the books and seeing as the books already cover this, this is kind of pointless.

@kianward58

9 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing this entire video

@comsuondaihiep9699

9 жыл бұрын

Sameer Ramzan ah ah ! you said "based on" not "completely alike "

Voldemort chose Harry because Harry was a half-blood like Voldemort and thus Voldemort felt himself to be more like Harry. However, he was trying to eliminate Harry and make Neville his target.

@dangerdan2592

8 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@dangerdan2592

8 жыл бұрын

Good point. By trying to eliminate Harry, he unknowingly marked him as his equal.

@MaeriberiiUsami

8 жыл бұрын

Alexander Henderson Harry is a half-blood because Lily is muggle-born.

@FrostyyLessthan3

8 жыл бұрын

Terezi Pyrope lily is half blood but harry is not because both parents are magical

@MaeriberiiUsami

8 жыл бұрын

Alexander Henderson Whether your parents are magical or not doesn't matter. Lily's entire family are muggles, while James' is magical, therefore making Harry half-blood.

This theory is sound in my opinion. I remember a part in order of Phoenix where Albus mentions that Voldemort literally was split between Harry and Neville to attack(if memory serves me right x.x'), so I can accept this theory cuz of that, and the fact Neville went through such a character arc that he holds a lot of significance in the story. Always enjoy your theories, My hope is you enjoy making them for a long time to come lol

i already knew this theory but i still watched it because ur vids are awesome

True Nevil meets all these criteria but one... Voldemort didn't choose him and that's a pretty big factor when considering we are talking about the CHOSEN ONE ("one" being another key word not "two"). But can we take a moment to just appreciate that Harry Potter actually does a prophesy right!! I'm looking at you Star Wars.

@alexxxpayne1031

8 жыл бұрын

+The Cinema Cowboy Can't breath. Laughing too much. That is the funniest shots fired I have read.

@MyliaHope

8 жыл бұрын

+The Cinema Cowboy THAT'S WHAT I KEEP SAYING

@caleb7758

8 жыл бұрын

+The Cinema Cowboy roses are red violets are blue you were my brother anakin I LOVED YOU!

@universepegasus770

8 жыл бұрын

+The Cinema Cowboy Technically Star wars did have the prophecy right since it was actually Anakin who killed Darth Sidious and he made there be an equal amount of Jedi and Sith by killing most of the Jedi.

@jacob-nm4ns

8 жыл бұрын

actually anakin completed the prophecy,because of that he was no longer the chosen one (and became evil)if this is wrong please respond

How is that a theory? It is not something well hidden that fans found in the story, the whole story of Longbottom being other possible Chosen One was literally said in the books, it's not a theory it's a fact from a book that wasn't mentioned in a movie. Like, seriously if read the books carefully you knew it already. O_o

@SuperNeonbear

9 жыл бұрын

iNezumi Knew who he was going to talk about just by the title

@Sheuto

9 жыл бұрын

Neon Bear Yeah me too, but I hoped he either found somebody else who fits into prophecy somehow or some point of view that makes Neville actually the real Chosen One and Harry just more exposed way for him to fulfil his destiny. I just thought he did find something new in there, but it's just what was already there. Maybe connecting it with quantum physics and multiverse theory is kind of movie theory but then it should be called Harry Potter Multiverse Theory.

@whenthemusicsover6028

9 жыл бұрын

iNezumi Then again, it's called Film Theory not Book Fact. He's basing the theory on evidence from the movies, not the novels on which their based on. Not that you didn't already no that, mind you.

@Sheuto

9 жыл бұрын

Chozo Hunter I do not think Neville's date of birth was ever mentioned in the movies, I'm not even sure if his parents being tortured was ever mentioned. He obviously uses information from the books for this "theory".

@abditorysystem4877

9 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's why Snape hated Neville so much. Voldemort could've choose him, and Lily would've lived.

Kinda late, but "either way" was a pun 14:03 ?

Nice video! But I'm pretty sure that there is an entire chapter on how Neville could have been the chosen one in the book.