I spent much of my time, while watching this, trying to guess whether or not you were mispronouncing so many words for comic effect.

@mikekelly3903

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, Lindybeige! Their mispronunciations remind me of Simon Whistler, the bloke that has the Today I Found Out channel. There's hardly a single vid of his that doesn't have an hilarious example. P.s. Love your channel btw. (Especially that rant about modern art, sublime!)

@thegeneralissimo470

4 жыл бұрын

Ohai Lindy, fancy seeing you here.

@tigeremperor80

4 жыл бұрын

Lindybeige in this video, Metatron in another... Why don't you all just make a 5 hour long video about you all playing some of these games?

@Dinoman9877

3 жыл бұрын

He's British, it's just what they do.

@Nicator_

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dinoman9877 So is Lindybeige.

Fief AKA Crusader Kings: the boardgame

@alecdegraaf442

7 жыл бұрын

Santiago Sinisterra or crusader kings for people who have friends

@Hugh.Manatee

6 жыл бұрын

It even has a ton of DLC...

@ubrugernavn5063

6 жыл бұрын

Can you marry your horse?

@AjLechtenberg

6 жыл бұрын

Did you hear that Paradox is actually making a Crusader Kings board game?

@brianmcgloughlin7799

6 жыл бұрын

It's been backed on kickstarter stupidly successful. They got several times the amount they asked for.

I prefer to think of Fief as "Putting Fancy and Especially Important Hats on My Dudes: The Game"

Quinns pronounced everything wrong and I was very upset.

@Hugh.Manatee

6 жыл бұрын

I share in your feeling of upsettedness, fellow human!

@Hypnopotimus27

6 жыл бұрын

We all know that "Pope" is pronounced pop-ee

Roll F to pay respects.

Strikes me as Crusader Kings 2: The Board Game

@dennishogan5696

6 жыл бұрын

Jerry Krane they be making a board game rn on KS

@timothymclean

3 жыл бұрын

Aside from the fact that CK2's advanced video board is capable of displaying changing information more fluidly than old-fashioned physical boards. You'll never wonder how many soldiers are in an enemy army, only how the hell a loose duchy has access to _that_ many troops oh shit I forgot to check their alliances.

Goddamnit Quinns, it's pronounced "Feef".

@Goldleon

7 жыл бұрын

More precisely : fjɛf.

@koshi6505

7 жыл бұрын

It actually uses the Saxon pronunciation of trailing F. It sounds more like Feefth.

@Hugh.Manatee

6 жыл бұрын

Also " *Bish* uhp rick" instead of 'bi *shop* rick'

@gabrieldorr7984

6 жыл бұрын

DanielHarveyDyer has

@darkwing_don2391

6 жыл бұрын

Brandon Pack- "It actually uses the Saxon pronunciation of trailing F. It sounds more like Feefth." This is the first I've heard this. I don't know anything about Saxon pronunciation though. Where did you get your information on this? Thanks.

I get so excited for new uploads only to realize it's more old content I've already seen being migrated. Stop teasing me SUSD!!!

Sound editing gets an A+ for the BMW clip @ 6:16

Fief is one of my all time favorite games for all the reasons Quinns pointed out in the first half of the review. I don't share his feelings about the second half. He is right on some points. A streamlined euro, this game is not. The rules are absolutely convoluted, but they exist purely to support the theme. This is not a game about amazing mechanics. This is a game with super rich, evocative theme that will make you feel like a conniving feudal lord scheming for the throne, and the rules exist solely to present that theme. in this sense, they are designed much the same way as a roleplaying game; to define the limits of the imaginary reality you are playing in. Fief is tremendous fun for 5-6 players (never play it with less, as the board doesn't scale) who enjoy a rich, thematic experience of scheming, diplomacy, and treachery.

@luiscarlosqg

6 жыл бұрын

Ash1138 thank you for the advice. I found the game interesting.

Fantastic review. I absolutely adore Fief but completely agree with Quins' misgivings. A real beast to teach and complicated to play even if you know the rules well. The expansions are frustratingly enticing as they add so much more stuff but also increase what is already a complex game of too many rules. It's similar to twilight imperium in that way: not too complicated, just too many rules. I have the pimped out 3D strongholds and mills and the (delicious) metal deniers which all adds to the experience. Have even bought metal miniatures to replace the standee lords and ladies but still need to paint those. I too would probably prefer to play slip 'n slide but I still think it's worth the effort to learn the rules and play this game. Wish I had more friends who enjoyed these epic games. As it is I get twilight imperium to the table maybe once a year if I'm lucky (and beg people). This is an excellent game that probably deserves a (slightly) more streamlined and less unfairly random set of rules. Still one of my favorites though.

One of my favourite SU&SD reviews

2am in the states. This uploads. Guess sleep can be skipped.

Enjoyed the review, as always with SU&SD. I read the rulebook and watched some other reviews as well. Even though the didn't recommend it, I'm optimistic this is a game for me. So I oredered it. That's the good thing with SU&SD reviews, they give you a lot of positive and negative aspects of the game. And then their subjective opinion, which is clearly labeled as being subjective, ninetheless helpful to make up your mind.

@greginfla7211

6 жыл бұрын

ThaineFurrows So what’s your thoughts about the game?

@michaq11

4 жыл бұрын

Bump. Hello, so, can you make any update on your opinion about this game?

@davidmurphy563

2 жыл бұрын

Well, I'll be the third person over the course of five years to enquire what you thought of the game.

@ThaineFurrows

2 жыл бұрын

​ @greginfla @michaq11 @David Murphy Oh, sorry. I didn't see the notification on youtube that there were questions about the evolution of my opinion. So to make it short. I love it. There's a few drawbacks though. The rules are a bit cumbersome and fiddly at places. It could have been more elegant. Also, I think it shows it's full potential only with 5-6 players. I played it with my sons a lot (3-player games, sometimes 3-players with each playing two families) and it works, but it's not as it should be. I recently found a 2-player variant on BGG and think that one can be adapted to add AI players to fill up the empty seats. My boys and I are testing that at the moment. I since bought all the expansions, although they are in French and Spanish, and am working myself through the rules. Like that it has become a medieval sandbox game. I'm far from having the experience with it to give a good and informed opinion. So this is only my impressions. To me the biggest part is in the stories that develop. I don't think the game is necessarily balanced. And although there is no player elimination, one can be wiped of the board early and I think chances to recover from that are slim. Also there's a decent amount of luck involved with dice battling and card drawing. But I don't mind that since, as said before, for me it is about the story. Even when I played a game in which I lost, the things that developed on the board were always fun, interesting and worth the time.

We played our first game last night. Just a few rounds with different strategies and we love it. The depth of interplay between players and the backstabbing that can go on is superb...and we are a group not into backstabby games. It doesn't feel like a game from the 80s and I have to disagree about the board...yes, it is a little difficult to see the fiefs and Bisho-pricks but that's the fog of war. It really does show how Game Of Thrones has the feel of that time just right...anyone can die at any time. And a member of our group who prefers co-op games over fighty games had a little 'crisis' during the play as he loved it so much. The fact that the VP points are quite low means you have to go after other players and form alliances. We are really looking forward to playing our second game. With 6players it must be amazing.

My favourite review that you've done - nice job guys. I was all set to buy it about half way through your review and then you swept the rug from under me. Lesson learned: don't be hasty. Cheers chaps.

@njo2424

7 жыл бұрын

Don't be hasty in writing off Fief. The Chief from the Dice Tower and The Discriminating Gamer offer a very different view of the game. The game is polarizing... you may fall on the love it side just as easily as the hate it side

@bilbobagshot8891

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks for letting me know - I'll get round to checking the reviews.

Gosh darn I love these old videos

I have this game and love it. All the negative points you make on the game are for me among the positive aspects of it. Its a good review though and I've subscribed to your channel as a result of it but I think the game is far more fun and enjoyable than you give it credit for.

Top 10 SUSD cold opens

i appreciate that you talked about the playtesting process. a very misunderstood thing.

Did the kids let you have a go on the slip 'n slide?

5:00 This is Team Fortress 2 the Board Game

Oh this reminds me of crusader kings 2! Which is a game I love, I might give it a go

How he says Fief good lord it makes me grind my teeth but I love this channel

"Fief is a game about collecting hats!" George Carlin disapproves.

Back in the 1990's we played FASA's The Succession Wars board game pretty much like this. Only with far less polite and with a LOT more back room dealings. Miss those days.

@EricLucero

7 жыл бұрын

Oh, Fief is not polite at all. And as far as back room dealings goes, the game literally has a mechanic (that Quinns didn't cover) where you can spend a carrier pigeon token (you get 3 for the game) to take any players you want to a back room and make deals privately for 3 minutes. Fief is a game where there is a mechanic (marriage) that creates an actual team between two players (not just an alliance) that win the game together and also has mechanics where players can dissolve this team by murdering their spouse with a hired assassin or by marching an army against them to slay them on the battlefield. Hardly polite.

I love the question mark after the girls name at the start!

I played fief and it was fun. However, every time someone would get really close to winning, someone else would have a card to completely screw that player. It was like starting the game over every time someone got close to winning. After hours of play, two people finally decided to just make an alliance and win together. And, no one wanted to stop them, because they just wanted the game to be over. It wasn't a bad game, and definitely fun, at first. But, by the end, everyone was more than ready to play something else.

@ricardorix73

Жыл бұрын

diplomacy

@RodolfLeclerc

Жыл бұрын

@@ricardorix73 Exactly my experience. The winner is decided by the exhaustion of the group when they reach that point where the game is way past its welcome. It's more a role playing game really if you're so inclined. The group you're with will make or break the game.

@cosmonaut999

Жыл бұрын

not making any alliances until hours in sounds like a skill issue to me

I love that firewatch poster!

One of my favorite games. So thick with theme.

I laughed so hard watching this episode :D this is gold :D

What _is_ the music at the beginning of the video? I can't place it and it sounds vaguely familiar ... (sounds a wee bit like Julian Bream on the lute to me).

Awesome game of our childhood (the game was Fief 2, before this reedit), but indeed event cards can be very randomly destructive. I remember playing, probably on the second round, "Starvation" and "Peasant revolt" combo on my brother's starting village, which spawns a lot of angry peasants, and effectively wiping him from the board before 5 minutes of play time. He literally threw the board in the air in response...

@EricLucero

7 жыл бұрын

That can happen in this game too, but the amazing thing here (that Quinns didn't cover) is that you are never out of the game. Indeed, players who seem wiped out actually have a perverse advantage of sorts through diplomacy. This is due to the powerful roles in the game such as the King or the Pope. NOBODY wants a player in the lead to get one of these roles, so most often the table can be negotiated to let the player doing the worst get these roles (since they are not a threat). But then, the thing is, the power of these roles as well as the victory point the come with all of a sudden makes that player a prize to form a marriage partnership with. In Fief, it's very possible to go from the worst position in the game to victory in no time due to the diplomacy aspects of the game.

A game about collecting hats, you mean tf2?

Wait bishoprics? You're doing this on purpose

How practical is it for a group to retcon in some house rules to fix the failings in the design? e.g. giving certain roles at-will taxation powers with limitations.

Fife for life

I had a blast playing this

"let me just... OOOH!" -quinns 2016

that looks really sweet!

Great review. It could apply to a lot of modern games : not enough fun factor. I recently had the same experience with Agricola.

@canadianturfsandwich1258

5 жыл бұрын

Its a shame cuz those bits and boards are Gorgeous

What's the game between Village end rampage ?

Seams like a faithful recreation of the real thing. 👍

I know many history nerds that would love this

Hey Guys! As brutal as "Feef" is to watch, are there any current games that are similar that are not as agonizingly brutal to play?!

Roll Fs to pay respects

Can't believe that phone number is in there...

Quinns forgot to mention the differences between Barons, Counts and Dukes... as well as the royal couple siring an heir. Had no problem playing it back in the 80s.

Hah! Paul does kind of look like Jay Kay with a bit of Littlefinger splashed in there

Can anyone recommend an alternative to Fief 1429 that doesn't suffer from the negatives that Quinns brought up? I've heard good things about Game of Thrones but I really like the historical narrative in Fief.

@TheShapingSickness

5 жыл бұрын

There's going to be a second edition soon.

Aw, Quinns... I feel you there.

Matt has the best faces

Can't believe that noone's commented on this... but did Paul really play bongos in Jamiroquai???

Quinns got to have fun with him and the good looking children after all.

Board Fifes Matter. In all seriousness, this game looks so good. So easy to miss;

I would have liked to see a comparison with the Warrior Knights reprint from FFG. Seems like they are games that focus on similar enough themes. SUASD reviewed that game a long time ago and they liked it. ... also, i know it's not "feif", it's pronounced: "fi-eh-f". (just so you know for the future ;) )

Between this and Crusader Knights, which would be better?

Waaaaiit... I've already seen this one... or have I?

Awww yis more shut Up & Sit Down

Omg awesome I guess lol nice vid

For all the people who go on about mispronunciations, you do all realise they do it on purpose! Please tell me you realise that. Go watch the Arboretum review and see them at it again. Then listen to their podcasts and hear them talk about doing it.

Is this out of print?

Feed, not Fife. Otherwise, great work as always!

I played a game of this and won by the skin of my teeth. I think the stand out thing is that as the game progresses you elect higher and higher titles which have really complicated requirements so you have to get players to agree to elect one candidate by majority. These discussions are extremely heated and must result in one of the players getting a title so everyone is extremely involved. The next best thing is that once you've completed the requirements for winning the rest of the table has until the round ends to muster all their troops and lead one last charge to try and kill one of your nobles and it is extremely tense because no one wants to spend all their resources to gang up on another player and everyone is hoping to trick the other players into overcommiting. he game is a lot larger than the sum of its parts.

Did he get to ride the slip n slide?

Hats collecting? It is Team Fortress 2 the boardgame!

There's a card game called Ortus Regni with this theme that I really like. You each have your own fiefdom and can assassinate rivals or fight vikings, or become a bishop. You have to worry about having an heir when you reshuffle your deck.

The way you pronounce Fief

Where do I get Red Pants?!!?

well? did you have a go?

Come on, it's not BISH-op, it's bee-SHOP!

It's like a crusader king board game

I had countless play of fief and it was really really fun. This is not for eurogamers, you got to accept: luck, kingmaking, bad luck, losing maybe 8hours of your life, because it can last very very long hahaha. Don't know if i'd play it now, i wish the new edition had it more streamlined, but theimmersion and rp aspects are great.

Feif? Goddamnit you teifling!

I wonder how he feels about this game compared to Oath

'Fief' is pronounced 'fee-f'. Words that make the sound Quinns is using are Fife (a musical instrument and a Scottish place name) and Fyfe (a Scottish personal name).

Fief... This word is kinda in the same tone as Covfefe....

0:51... whos phone number is that then matt...

I know I am sad, but I wish Quinns, Matt & Paul were my friends.

@meenki347

2 жыл бұрын

The SUSD gang are much too elite for us little serfs.

Which Canadian city is Paul in?

@orloksubedei

7 жыл бұрын

Vancouver, BC. It also looks like to me that he is at the Creekside Park near the Science World at TELUS World of Science.

@tomatodamashi

7 жыл бұрын

It made me homesick...

It is oddly hilarious to watch to watch this video, especially the part where they are explaining marriage, and using the genderswap filter on Snapchat

CK2- The board game.

Thats a real shame. Started to sound epic. But I guess they need to sit down and rewrite those rules. Very cool review as always thanks.

@Darkmaster77777

7 жыл бұрын

As someone who owns this game, don't be too disheartened- it depends what kinda gamer you are. My gaming group is a little too... "fun" for this game. But if you've got a group of super-nerds who are happy to lose an afternoon and enjoy the fiddly details of the negotiations and the voting, then this game is worth it :)

So mutch rules it will blow ur brains out

Do we recommend Fief? Fief? Fief? No.

fief? Five?

Maybe someone needs to tweak the rules to make it a little less random and a little more strategic.

@IslanKleinknecht

7 жыл бұрын

To me it seems like Fief makes a better roleplaying game with some strategic elements, than a full-fledged strategy game.

pretty sure it's a british Thief, like in bath being pronounced Ba:f. Fief.

FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEF

"Hitler - a bit disappointing person. " - Q.

FEEF. Not FYFE. FEEF. Once more for effect : FEEF

Envious not jealous

It sounds like the Middle Ages. And, strangely, Twilight Imperium. Only, y'all didn't like it.

[shameless plug] Check out our Game of Thrones variant "A Song of Ice and Fief" on bgg! Play one of the great houses, all with special abilities and the all the wonderful characters from the books/show! [/shameless plug]

Sorry in advance. Fief, it rhymes with thief. Otherwise great review though as we come to expect with Shut Up & Sit Down.

Seems similar to Dune

It's amazing how many board games from the 80s are just worse versions of later video games.

Matt Lees. Fertile Male.

I thought it was pronounced like "feef"???

Not using music from the Dungeon Synth band Fief in your review of Fief the board game. I am disappointed. ;-)