Didn't see timestamps so made my own. Note: The S. stands for "Summer", I'm just lazy and don't wanna write the whole name 1:25 S Tier (S.Kama, S.Kiara, Space Ishtar) 3:07 A Tier (DVR, Habetrot, Moriarty Lily, Jarcher, Kiara (w/class adv.) , Kyokutei Bakin, S.Meltryllis, S.Musashi, Ranmaru X, Senji Muramasa, Sieg, Vritra) 5:09 B Tier (Salieri, Fionn, Hokusai, S.Mordred, Murasaki, Odysseus, Percival, Ryouma (Lancer), Scheherezade, Taisui Xingjun (w/class adv.) , Zenobia) 6:15 C Tier (Anastasia, Davinchi, Helena, Nero, Nitocris, Shuten-Douji) 6:58 D (Paracelsus) Tier (Paracelsus, Kiara (Against Knight classes) ) 7:50 E Tier (CasGil, Jinako, Nursery Rhyme, Taisui Xingjun (Against Knight classes), S.Tomoe) 8:56 E- Tier (Geronimo, S.Helena, Jason, S.Marie, Mary Anning, S.Nitocris, Phantom, Saber Shiki, Edison, Utsumi Erice) 9:50 Gong Tier (The Gong™️) 10:29 Conclusion/Outro

@PocketChalk

2 жыл бұрын

Was dead tired after posting this and forgot the timestamps ack! Pasted these into the description so there's timestamps within the video too, thank you Fibos!

@f1bos

2 жыл бұрын

@@PocketChalk No problem, glad I could help out a lil bit

@degeneratesdogma2481

2 жыл бұрын

The Gong™️ Tier with the gong sound effect was my highlight of the vid

@thekoolkiwiii

2 жыл бұрын

You wrote Da Vinchi for the meme right? ... right?

@f1bos

2 жыл бұрын

@the Kool Kiwi I wish I could fix it, but my youtube has been having a breakdown. Keep getting a 403 when trying to edit my comments.

Saber Shiki can loop. All you need is 3 command spells

@Lemkidu

2 жыл бұрын

(coping with my lv100 saber shiki)

@Altiex

2 жыл бұрын

Saber Shiki can loop, but you need double Oberon + plugsuit a 50% battery instead of Castoria.

@Cr3zant

2 жыл бұрын

@@Altiex Castoria is literally a 50% battery, why would you need a specifically non-Castoria version?

@Altiex

2 жыл бұрын

@@Cr3zant I mean 2x Oberon + any 50% battery instead of the usual Castoria loop comp, I could've probably worded that better lol

yoooo its out

@ganitanojonvincent2556

2 жыл бұрын

Hi plushie

@diavolojaegar

2 жыл бұрын

Hey it's the guy who got np 1 kriemhild

@lanadeltaco9yearsago560

2 жыл бұрын

@@diavolojaegar lmakakakakakak 💀

Artoria Caster in only a few days. Good luck to everyone rolling for her so that we may all begin arts looping

@akumaruuuuu

2 жыл бұрын

Yep good luck guys, I've been saving 600sq's and 48 tickets wish you all get Castoria

@akumaruuuuu

2 жыл бұрын

Dont forget to use Castoria Catalyst lol.

@khalilw9158

2 жыл бұрын

Why does everyone forget about archer artoria when I comes to np looping

@UnborneStorm

2 жыл бұрын

@@khalilw9158 The focus is more on farming with these loopers.

@mrblazeapound7856

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks and good luck to you as well. I currently have 405 sqs and 11 tickets with more to come as I complete all my free quests, interludes, and rank ups. I've never saved this many sq's or grinded the game this hard before, so I hope I can pull her(sped through all of the available lostbelts and epic of remnants since I was behind).

NGL, Gong Tier is on a completely different level. He can obliterate anything regardless of class advantage, even your own support...

@jimjimson6208

Жыл бұрын

bro DW had no idea what they were cooking when they created Chen Gong fr, it is insane that they decided to make him a 2 star unit

@faraythody4677

11 күн бұрын

​@@jimjimson6208they had to make him 2* to even the balance

Pocketchalk, thank you so much for taking the time to share and research the topic of arts farming for Na Players! This is a very dense and well detailed guide of which i hope the community will be able to use to their benefit for years to come ^^

thanks pocket for all the effort that you put into this video/doc is so refreshing watching someone having so muh passion about the game. love the video, love the doc, love the streams, love you

Most tier lists are low effort clickbait I find that have way too much bias. This is the total opposite of this. All of the math and justification is provided in a very easy to understand format. It's incredibly well-researched. Thank you so much for putting in all the time and effort on this!

@hellraizzer7064

2 жыл бұрын

This list is just as bad.

@SharpLCDTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@hellraizzer7064 how so?

@averagehotwheelsenjoyer1649

2 жыл бұрын

@@SharpLCDTV Assumes Grail+ A2 as a basepoint, doesn't take into ESM per node, doesn't show refund, etc

@ordine8142

2 жыл бұрын

Summer Kiara S Tier btw lol

@Cav829

2 жыл бұрын

@@averagehotwheelsenjoyer1649 I hate to tell you, but if you're serious about using any kind of omni looper on 90+ nodes going forward, they better be grailed and NP2 at minimum. If you're not prepared to do that, just assume your NP1s are going to cover what they're effective against, which is totally fine and F2P friendly. You don't need any S tier loopers (I've looped half the JP 90+s this year with Habetrot). Grails are a hell of a lot easier of an investment (especially post-Grail casting) to ask than the SQ investment you might need to pay for NP3. I would state the NP2 threshold is obviously not F2P friendly, but I'd rather not blow sunshine up the asses of players falsely selling them on the idea they'll clear every 90+ with an NP1 Spishtar or Muramasa. I would also of course tell them to not NP2 all these servants and instead invest in maybe one of them and then if you also have some NP1s of various others that's even better to ensure you can tackle multiple node setups. Refund varies greatly per the node in question. I can show you extreme examples where looping in general probably isn't going to work without some extreme investments such as this upcoming lotto's first round because that CE is utter garbage. Plugsuiting is mentioned as allowed specifically to cover this. You have to be somewhat realistic about what a guide can cover in a general sense. There is obviously some accounting for battery/refund though because for example you have Musashi Berserker in A tier because there are times she gets screwed over by not having a battery like the 3 in S tier because you can't entirely rely on refund.

Damn was not expecting the newest JP Rider in this video. Thank you for the hard work this is very helpful

Omg thank you this is a big help. Would be glad to see a quick version of this too

Real banger vid once again! Gotta say, you are one of my personal favorite FGOtubers, due to your accurate, comprehensive and to-the-point content.

Great to see this finally coming out after looming in the horizon for so long and having to deal with so much math xD And also nice to see all those headpat emotes getting some use on the doc! xD

subscribed due to how much i appreciate the document in the description!

Would be cool if you made a similar Tier List, but for STs.

@enbi5440

2 жыл бұрын

I don't have many arts ST servants but the best loopers for me are sitonai and melusine.

@Schmaglow

2 жыл бұрын

Eh, just use the gong

@KekkanSeihin

2 жыл бұрын

​@@Schmaglow I meant for CQs. Not farming. Or maybe non-standard farming.

@kun2588

2 жыл бұрын

@@KekkanSeihin CQ looping isn't that hard. For one thing, you have access to cards and with Castoria's NP buffs, it's quite easy to refund full gauge if you just pull at least one Arts card. Now good generalists would be the Arts zerk trio Vlad, Galatea and Kriemhild (only Vlad is available in NA rn).

@KekkanSeihin

2 жыл бұрын

​@@kun2588 Yeah, but Tiers are just fun. Plus, it's interesting how well STs fare with varying Grails, NP Levels, supports and MCs. As a new F2P, I only have Walfare Waver... plus I might not get Castoria, so, how well single Castoria fares is valuable info.

Haha glad I'm skipping everything to save for Muramasa straight after Castoria

@Stanlyy.

2 жыл бұрын

Saaaaaame. After that I save for Morgan the queen

@Unlimited-D-Works

2 жыл бұрын

Yah. Muramasa is probably the only servant that I wouldn’t mind spamming his NP as his Np is in fact the best and most badass one in the game. VA alone already makes it the best. Everybody else NPs are lame. Percival’s is good too.

@shaderider468

2 жыл бұрын

@@Unlimited-D-Works agreed lorewiae, he's quite interesting

@Avalon788

2 жыл бұрын

Same but kama is quite tempting but i need atleast np3 muramasa 😣

Great video I’ll definitely need this. I love testing comps out.

I appreciate your vids miss thanks for the nice FGO content and wish you a great day!

Oh this actually is something I hadn't seen info on anywhere else. Thanks for this video. Shame I don't like any of the servants in S tier but plenty of other options.

A great video like always, Pocket!! The true maths god

Haven't subbed this fast in a long while

Fantastic as always! Thanks!

Ayo starting the video with THE GOAT🔥🔥

Thank you for all your efforts! :D

That doc goes in-depth wow. Subscribed

A really awesome and helpfull video, thanks a lot for this and I wish you good continuation.

Wow, that is really amazing! Thanks!

While I am not a fan tierlists I always like your approach. You give the starting condition, explain what makes a servant good and then even give the numbers to proof, if someone wants to go deeper. I prefer that over just repeating what everybody else says. It also does not degrade servants as "trash" or "shit" but instead shows you that you might have to invest a little bit more into them if you want to use them for looping. Thank you for this positive view on things.

awesome video, hope to see something alike once koyanskaya arrives

I can't believe you made fun of Geronimo like that. There is proof of him looping. All he needs is six assassins per wave, which has happened a full one time in FGO's history.

Great video since Castoria is just around the corner, also good luck to everyone ✨

I'm an FGO JP player who's pretty deep in the endgame but still found this guide pretty useful, especially since I started FGO NA just for castoria.

Great video!

Great video Pocket, personally I'm looking forward to sending my Parvati off to retirement but it all depends on how this Castoria banner goes down 😬

This is great, thank you! :D I'm so glad I got np2 Spishtar! I do wanna try out Jason too :)

Legitimately one of the cleanest intros I've seen for an FGO vid.

Amazing! My poor s.Jeanne though at NP 1 she's going to struggle. I guess I'll think about grailing my s. Musashi and Odysseus instead.

Thanks for the list

Great tierlist. Very concise and in-depth. But I have a bone to pick... S.Kiara and S.Kama shouldn't be in the S-tier. S.Kiara is extremely wonky with her battery value fluctuating across all 3 turns and if you use the battery before her debuff based steroid, her damage will suffer. Her W1 and W2 damage isn't that great because she's a mooncancer (1.0x offensive mod) hitting at neutral. She can fail loops in irregular nodes very often specially when her battery value is inconsistent. Also, her damage numbers are also very close to Muramasa's, with him surpassing her on w2 and w3. SKama suffers on w2. She either has an excellent w3 or an excellent w1 but she suffers on w2. Also, her perpetual NP damage steroid is tied to her burst (which is tied to a debuff), so she's much more difficult to use in 90+ nodes and she requires more NP levels to meet Spishtar's consistency. Spishtar's the best Arts omni-farmer, 'nuff said. Eventhough Muramasa should be up there(because he has a better loop consistency than the others), I understand why you chose to bump him down given that he cannot farm Archer 90+ nodes. Other than that, an excellent list.

@nekitaroyamaoto2135

Жыл бұрын

Hello, could you tell please, if i have rider Da Vinchi np2 should i roll for summer Kiara or it's not that much big of a difference and i should just wait for Ishtar?

@kun2588

Жыл бұрын

@@nekitaroyamaoto2135 Da Vinci is good enough for now. If you want an upgrade I'd recommend waiting for Spishtar rather than settling for S.Kiara who isn't much better than Da Vinci.

Poggers well made video once again

wooo thanks for the help pocket!

Thank you this video was usefull and well Made. You got a new subscriber

Thank you for the video. I have an NP2 Summer Musashi. Now all I need is Castoria 😭

i love the vid already when you put Space Ishtar on S Tier. people tend to rank her lower than Kama Avenger and Summer Kiara because of shorter animations and Kama Avenger's damage potential but they keep forgetting how Space Ishtar is capable of looping in all three types. i know that isnt fair to add because the vid title already tells us that Chalk will talk about Arts Looping but Space Ishtar also came in the earliest of the three so she reigned the time of arts looping more than the other two.

@kun2588

2 жыл бұрын

Spishtar is #1. Anyone who tells otherwise is smoking crack.

@LS-qs9ju

2 жыл бұрын

@@kun2588 Gong

@kun2588

2 жыл бұрын

@@LS-qs9ju Crackhead /s

Wow the reactions of Servants in this Vid are on the spot.

Wow, nice video, nice memes. Well-rounded.

damn he's finally here

I love the thumbnail btw

that is the cutest thumbnail ever. def a blessing after all those castoria hat tweets we've been graced with the past month

Les goooo thanks for this

Been constantly using Summer Musashi since I got her on NP2 and I can say even with and without Castoria, having her has made my farming runs smooth. But yeah sometimes, she'll go bad when part of the node doesn't go well. Before Caster Artoria/Altria, my Cow Sushi farming team consist of Tamamo, Paracelsus and "Support" Nero Bride. Even with Castoria, you would still need a Plugsuit Tamamo or Paracelsus at an off-chance. But serviceable nonetheless since don't have Space Ishtar.

@chironthecuddley6144

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's been my experience too. I have NP2 Mushashi, Plugsuit Tamamo, double Castoria and a MLB Mark On a Smiling Face.

GAO!!! IM IN THE DOCUMENTS LETS GAO!!!

Just subscribed... Love the guide... Like other are saying... Csn you please do a single target tier list?

If there's anything I've learned from different streamers/randos, Spishtar is still the no.1 premium arts looper. Others are good but she is the best

@youngfappy6971

2 жыл бұрын

im kinda new to the game but how is she better than musashi? I've got a lot of Ishtars on my friend list(maxed out ones with np 2 or 3 btw) and the dmg is just disappointing

@alexchan4819

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngfappy6971 my guess is atk stat + 50%np charge + hit count

@thuantruong501

2 жыл бұрын

@@youngfappy6971 musashi got stuck when engages 1-1-3 lineup, she cant loop with few enemies, and this is a tier list, she is a berzerker with lacking survival ability, hence lower tier. TBF, I would rank Musashi higher than S.ishtar since beside looping, Musashi is easier to use in CQs cuz her piercing and her class.

@LS-qs9ju

2 жыл бұрын

Chen Gong is the real 1st, but every streamer put it in his own category (Gong Tier). Because let's be real, he is so damn ridiculous.

@alexchan4819

2 жыл бұрын

@@LS-qs9ju I would use him this way if I had Skadi/Black grail

Loved the summer tunes.

I manage to do well on looping with da vinci rider np1 with waver and some friend supports but i thought ody the horse boy was better. this video helped me out to know i shouldnt waste resources on him yet thanks

Please make a Quick and Buster Looping Tier List aswell!

I thought the KP np in the beginning was going to be used to smash the like button lol, also damm isn't muramasa's emiya amazing I definitely need to get him.

Chen gong demage is super crazy if you have castoria and waver

Good luck with castoria for all you rollers o7

Very Cool thanks Pocket

Funny that summer musashi has fallen away from astarte and kama. I presume because her tendency to stall on irregular nodes. Kinda want to summon on summer kiara (cough second ascension) but himiko , kama (normal) , yang and normal kiara would all benefit my account more.

@Zictive

2 жыл бұрын

Main reason is that musashi doesnt have any NP battery

Lets Gooooo!! Truly, 必要な犠牲でした!

Good luck to everyone for Castoria Rolls! May we all lucsacc and get her!

The mad lass did it. She got it out. Great video Pocket.

I'm really happy with my Salieri with BG, 500k no advantage, 120% berseker node, on double castoria and nero bride 👍

thank u for the habetrot from xnaya.

Can’t wait for Castoria!!!

Since I got Merlin very late in the game, I have a lot of NP5 Arts servants compared to some of my Buster and Quick servants as my Arts servants are anchored by Tamamo/Waver/Nero Bride As I have Castoria now, I'm play testing my Arts teams but my NP5 Space Ishtar then NP5 Summer Mushashi are my dedicated farming servants

Thank you for your work. One small detail - shouldn't Da Vinci Lily calculations include option of using 2 Castoria NPs before her own on third node? She can guarantee that charge and it boosts her damage by a lot.

What a blessed thumbnail

The DATA LOST was an excellent touch.

The list is good made and i like the knowleg. It is just….seeing this with most time „Np2 is a must“ oder „Space Isthar NP3-NP4“ i look at my servant-list and think „mhm….i guess 3-turn by big notes is a big NO“

@Liolaeusu

2 жыл бұрын

My Spishtar with double Castoria loops at NP1 without problems

@oftroll

2 жыл бұрын

@@Liolaeusu looping itself is not the problem it's the damage

@Zictive

2 жыл бұрын

NP1 is still capable of clearing pretty much 95% of the nodes in the game, plus you can easily add grails + plugsuit into the mix to make sure they beat the nodes. For example, literally everyone recommends having an NP2 dantes to do any skadi looping, but i only have NP1 dantes and he pretty much most of the nodes i throw him at. The nodes he cant beat are pretty few and far between and usually can be cleared just by adding an arash or plugsuit with a 3rd support. "NP2 is recommended" is pretty much just to beat 100% of the game, but NP1 + grails/plugsuit beats 95% of the game. so dont worry too much about it

@dramaturgy845

2 жыл бұрын

Though buster looping is probably more effective when it comes to looping strange nodes 1/2/3

@kun2588

2 жыл бұрын

@@dramaturgy845 Not necessarily. DCS has an AoE 60% battery, so running double DPS setups is pretty easy. For example, Kriemhild+DPS+DCS can easily 6-drop farm a 1/2/x 90+ node (given sufficient investment). Buster on the other hand are relegated to 5CE setups (apart from Meluko, Oberon and CasCu).

Feels bad knowing Sieg & Mysterious Ranmaru X does better than a lvl. 100 Hokusai with 2k fous and the not extra attack append skill max, but thank goodness I invested into Sieg's skills to the max, now I need Castoria into my account for some peace & quiet.

Was looking at the new Lady Avalon, and realized that with the right CEs, she can actually make Jinako NP loop. It requires two NP5 Avalons, and K-scope equivalent on all three Servants, but the extra 20% on round 2 and 40% on round 3 should be just enough to push out that last attack.

I’m looking forward to the fact that Squirtle becomes a even better boss killer

Out of curiosity are the numbers on the docs counted as of a specific wave or like, an average damage over all 3 waves or something?

Have been watching many of your vids lately and I need to say it you really like the sphere hunter which is also one my fav female youtuber lol

glad I got np3 fionn through spooks

That intro though GOD DAMN

xNaya's Habetrot meme gives me life

Gotta love gong tier

Ah... Chen Gong the Grand Caster of Nuking Sacrifice.

Cant believe castoria is almost here, i wasnt very faithful but hopefully even with the small amount of sq ive saved up would still get her and get a spishtar on the gssr

Im glad hokusai is in B tier. I can use my favorite servant to farm decently well. Gotta summon a castoria, I already got tamamo from the SSR ticket earlier this year, so I should be decently set. From what I can hear, summer Hokusai is also an incredible looper. My favorite servant is a farmer and an ST looper. Love to see it.

@twistedsword8612

2 жыл бұрын

You ande both. I got her NP3 and level 100

@dstreetz91

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Hokusaber is a great looper because free NP5 and her NP has so many hits with decentish gain. People just tend to focus on the AoE generally.

@twistedsword8612

2 жыл бұрын

@@dstreetz91 We were referring to foreginer Hoku but yea saber is great to

@Rilobster

2 жыл бұрын

@@twistedsword8612 Sadly mine is only NP1, but hopefully that'll change. Eventually. When she gets her next rate up in like a year or two lol.

@Rilobster

2 жыл бұрын

@@dstreetz91 That's what I figured. if I get lucky with crit stars, I can get mine to loop with relative ease rn just with her own arts buff and a waver. Can't wait for castoria to let her ascend to godhood!

I barely have append skills, let alone on lvl 10 or more than NP 2, I usually put everyone at least on 90 with some skills up but barely maximum at all, but I think I can loop anyway since I have Merlin as well to help the boost

UmU Saber. Love that nickname.

Yuhh miss you chalk

Yoooooo dope guide quick and informative. Appreciate the addition of future servants as well. Well guess ima have to go for summer Kiara. Hopefully it goes better than castoria 🥲

@PocketChalk

2 жыл бұрын

Just a note there was a correction made to Kiara Summer's tier noted in the description and in the document itself demoting her to A Tier due to me misreading the first skill's effects, that was my mistake but letting you know now!

My np5 Jarcher is ready

Amazing list, thanks for this! Question though, with Summer Kama, NP1 2x Castoria + Level 10 2004, assuming her debuff lands on turn 3, is the damage not 133091 per enemy on average? I'm using the FGO NP Damage Calculator v1.9.18 and if I set the power mod buff to be 150 I get the same value as you, which is 166959, but since Kama's NP deals extra damage to charmed enemies rather than a power mod, you'd put 50% in the NP Extra Damage area, which results in the number I listed initially. Apologies if I'm misunderstanding something, otherwise a really awesome breakdown and tier list!

is there a tier list for looping speed, it would be important for box farming, (I just want to cope with my musashi berserker, cause i didnt get space ishtar with 600+ sq and 70+tickets, i remember in you said in an old video that musashi is very fast).

the GONG tier !!!～～～～　ｘＤ

I don't think I even have any arts loopers.

@Zictive

2 жыл бұрын

not even Jason? or Sieg? theyre literally free XD

So you're saying I can use my Umu for looping *grins maniacally*

Tbh the funniest thing about it is that the S tier servants are all design based must haves in a way. Summer Kiara less popular but I accidentally got her anyways lmao and plan to get Spishtar, and Kama. Also I’d argue that in 3 enemy 3 wave farming that an NP2 Musashi generally doesn’t have to worry about dying since they always die first. Imo she is the best at lvl90 quests and if you have her NP2 she will most likely slap there as well especially after her buff.

@FieryMeltman

Жыл бұрын

Summer Kiara isn't S tier any more. Check the spreadsheet in the description, it gets updated frequently

Waiting in Queue for Buster Oberon Looping 😎

Hey! I'm sorry, but currently I am searching for a specific character who may be from Fate or TYPE-MOON in general. The character I'm trying to find was shown with an image when I was searching "Fgo Sasaki Kojiro" in Japanese. It was ca. five years ago and my memory may be failing, but I can precisely remember the details of this character. It goes as follows: - A Girl (thin, low in height, maybe a loli?). - Medium sized hair with an Ahoge (that one hair that sticks out in the air) that looks like either Arcueid or Jeanne Alter's hair. The haircolour looked like brown or orange. - An face like Nagao Kagetora and saber face in general (Suspended eyes, self-confident but kind). - She's wielding a Shinai (an Japanese bambus sword which is used for training). The thing is, I remember the Shinai being significant and larger than the girl's body, so she may be a loli. AND NO, It's not Fujinee. The character I'm talking about had an aura of Saber Artoria, Okita Souji or Kagetora. - Her upper cloth looked like an Japanese kimono which is similar with Yagyuu's first ascension appearence. But the clothes of lower part was an combiantion of typical school girl with mini-skirt and Knee high socks. Eventually, she had an Geta (Again, Japanese shoes) which looks like either from Tamamo's or Ushiwakamaeru's footwear. - And at last, I think the illustrator of this character is the famous Takeuchi Takashi. As I said, the face looked like somthing of Saber or Kagetora, in which they are drawn in Mr. Takeuchi's unique touch. Here some my theory/expectations of this character: - Dead/unused character setting. The picture I saw, was some sort of reference materials which could be bought. I never had a chance to know the title of this book, but I'm sure that the image was a page from material book. - Fate? or TYPE-MOON? The character looked like an typical Fgo servant (maybe an saber class?), but it could be TYPE-MOON related. Although I think the chance is low.' - Not from 月の珊瑚 (Tuki no Sango) Nasu-Kinoko had written a novel called 月の珊瑚 whichi is roughly translated as "Coral of Moon". The main character from this story looks like the chracter I want to find, but she don't match with my memory. She is too majestic and godly. - An Saber Class Servant? My memory is not clear, but I think there was an name written in Katakana (which is mostly used to describe foreign language), and a name in kanji afterwards. Maybe it's an Saber Class, who was supposed to appear in Guda Guda series. If anyone have seen, or know about this character, please tell me about it! I have been wandering and searching for five years, and I'm so obssesed with this mysterious character! And I'm sorry for my bad english. It's my second language. I have uploaded a drawing of what I can remember of this character. It will really help if you can check it and see if somthing rings in your head! twitter.com/EnigShuMaPe

How vital is it to get/compare these numbers with NP2 vs NP1? Knowing my luck, I'm skeptical to commit to NP2 unless I'm prepared to empty my quartz counter.

Ahh chen gong the true grand caster

where would normal Helena fit into this? I'd imagine around A or B tier with her strengthening down the line?