I have no idea why this showed up on my recommended, but interesting to see how tanks were back then compared to now.

No matter how many times I read the ability, I will never convince myself to pronounce it as HALLOWED ground instead of hollowed ground. Its etched into my brain

@Mrhappy1227

9 жыл бұрын

Mrhappy1227 Also maim =20%, jesus that thing is better than I thought

@ForzaTerra89

9 жыл бұрын

That's just an American accent. Take it from a Brit that you guys butcher the letter A!

@mehgamer467

9 жыл бұрын

Mrhappy1227 did you delete my comment or is it a youtube glitch? I want to hear your thoughts on what I said, but I can't find it anywhere. I don't want people to spread this idea that paladins do low single target damage while OTing when the numbers are fairly close outside of tanking stances.

@mattg6106

9 жыл бұрын

+ForzaTerra89 A German could say the same of you. ;)

@Djay0Epizode

9 жыл бұрын

Mrhappy1227 Thank's a lot for this info clear and loud i was so bored browsing reddit to find info on the 60spec of the 3tank :)

when it comes to pvp, darknights living dead skill is pretty useful. the trick is to pop it right when you are about to die....then you run like a mad dog away, usually people don't chase you since they assume you will just die without heals anyway. but right when you are about to go under, you cast purify and it peels off walking dead, letting you survive with 1 hp left

@felgranddra

9 жыл бұрын

beautiful...you need a commendation good ser

@Mrhappy1227

9 жыл бұрын

GordonRamsay When i saw Gordon Ramsey as the name I half expected to comment to just say "THIS SKILL IS FUCKING RAW"

@gokillyourselfgoogle

9 жыл бұрын

.......that's fucking evil

@GBS4893

7 жыл бұрын

That's fucking dark knight ^^

Warrior is obviously the best from a numbers standpoint, but Paladin will always be my favorite. It's the only tank job i've taken to 60 so far, and i think it has the prettiest-looking kit. So flashy!

I got into tanking as a marauder because of the class req for my dragoon at the time, decided to stick with it because I have this weird gravitation towards "default" or "posterboy" content (the Hyur midlander in cutscenes). I really liked that as a Warrior my survivability was based on not just the healers, but also my own agency to use powerful hits to get back HP. I think I may have even gotten a friend to take up warrior when I was able to solo the Demon Wall :p I picked up paladin next for a change of pace, and because I love sword and shield characters, and I want that lion mount(!). Paladin is fun for just turning damage into tickles, but I still went back to warrior. Then dark knight came out, and I knew I'd change - not just what my main tank class was, but my main job! I loved their lore, their gear, and their use of a greatsword (you really can't say no to it, can you?), and was really interested to play a tank that had a different feel than warrior. Plunge reminded me of my jumps as a dragoon, and it felt like it took the best of both the paladin and tank. Someday I'll return to the Warrior, and revel in all that tasty Deliverance. I've also begun to have fun stance-dancing with my dark knight and paladin for their 20% damage reduction when I'm off-tanking. It's sort of a nice extra defensive skill that's just sitting on the GCD, and gives me something to do during those points before and after a boss' super. Reprisal is still really silly for a utility, and like you had mentioned Mr Happy, it could be made so much better by just letting us use it combined with Dark Arts. Considering so much of the dark knight's meta revolves around Dark Arts' use, might as well toss that in their so they can be more reliable as an off-tank. Living Dead is weird, I love it thematically, but as a utility it needs some tweaking. Perhaps it also makes healing 20% more effective (taking a page from Defiance's book) to mitigate some of the panic. Would also be something slightly thematic as well, since white magic has a greater effect on undead stuff, right :p

@chickenstrangler3826

9 жыл бұрын

TWOxACROSS I'm going to be honest here, who's really gonna spend their time reading this?

@TWOxACROSS

9 жыл бұрын

Chicken Strangler I dunno...people interested in discussion...?

@Cr33d127

9 жыл бұрын

TWOxACROSS Paladin was my first choice, since I want to learn tanking in this game.

@TWOxACROSS

9 жыл бұрын

Melies Now that I think about it, I sorta threw myself in the deep end :p Granted I learned more as I was leveling paladin for cross class skills, but still.

@Cr33d127

9 жыл бұрын

TWOxACROSS To each their own. I would like to learn DK since a magic dependent tank seems interesting. I wonder what type of adjustments will come in the follow-up patches.

i actually just tanked a duty for the first time ever yesterday as a dark knight. it was fun an nobody wiped! i am considering looking at the other two classes more but i'm having fun with DRK so far. this was definitely a very helpful video to help me learn more about tanking.

@FilmStudentHorror

8 жыл бұрын

All my tank classes are 60 and in basic dungeons, dark is the most fun. In end game I love my war and paladin equally.

@robertmcanany6397

8 жыл бұрын

+Kaymai DRK is definitely the most fun tank to play, I won't argue that. (Heh heh, giant sword) But as I main heals (WHM), I find that DRK tends to be the squishiest of the 3 tank classes.

@FilmStudentHorror

8 жыл бұрын

+Robert McAnany it seemed that way until I hit 60. I find its about as good as the others now due to all the unique abilities. I still think it falls behind in raids as of now.

@GBrai-mu5zy

6 жыл бұрын

Drk is awesome,but there's nothing quite like starting from the bottom ,leveling from 1 ,and getting that soul stone at 30.it has also helped me learn the role better that way.

Thanks for a great guide, well put-together and well-explained!

am i the only one going back to these old videos about ffxiv?

@jackjohnson8305

Жыл бұрын

No you're not, i miss HW dark knight so much.

Dark Knight is my number one favorite tank in the game

Warrior since day one and I've never regretted it!

@farouq1983

3 жыл бұрын

No bullshit and straight to the point. I love my WAR.

In my opinion: 1. Paladin. Paladins are mainly about what all tanks should be most focused on, which is actual tanking. Hallowed ground can be the greatest skill ever when in a raid, a healer died from fucking a mechanic up and the other healer is resing them, or healers were busy dpsing and forgot about their job of healing you (which I've had happen in WoD) and you'd rather not die for 10s. All the def cooldowns, plus Convalescence help to make it, again, imo, the best MT. 2. Drk, even though every time I look at it and its skills, they all scream dps class (except the obvious def cooldowns). Its mix of using MP for aoe damage/aggro build and TP for single target focus aggro build/damage makes it a more interesting, and when done correctly, more fun tanking class.3rd. War. Almost every pro ever mentioned about this class is how high its dps is as a tank. As a person who mainly uses Pld for tanking, my view point on the matter is tanks shouldn't be worried about how high they hit for. That's dps' job, and should only be their job. Every tanking classes concerns should only really be how low they can make themselves be hit for, how much a healer can heal them, and how well they can hold aggro. Also everything I've heard about War is how they lose TP faster than Drg or fastern than Pld lose mp before having Shield Oath.

@dangerwarg9682

9 жыл бұрын

linkkopervos If you are hearing the TP complaints from warriors who didn't unlock inner beast, then yes you do drain TP a bit fast. If you know what your doing AND got the power, then the TP is plain negligible to the point you can plow through dungeons non-stop, spamming OPs and never using flash once. It's what I do the majority of the time. For Tank's power is an issue worth putting into thanks to lower enmity multipliers, especially if you are PLD. Bad day when your stuck with peeps vastly out gearing you, but if you can manage then sure, doesn't mean it's not an issue as long as the enmity multipliers are low. For WARs, they specialize in Life Steals. More power=more healing + things dying faster = less damage, less resources needed, and work anyone has to do. Pure STR is not the best option however. As the WAR you also specialize in High HP, that increases in proportion to your HP, and you need HP to better survive the flurry of tankbusters. This means you must balance HP and power to make the ultimate WAR. Pure Vit if you love to be baby sitted more by healers, Pure STR is best for OT, and (for me) Half&half with VIt being on top means I got great power and great HP to tank, heal, and crush the foe(s). For DRK it's a special case. Some of the whole being more squishy mess is because we got an influx of ASTs and new healers who don't know what they are doing. They think they're playing WHM and then BOOM the DRK is dead before they know what hit them. They have similar defenses as PLDs do, and they have roughly the same HP. The immense power the DRK wields is enough to make a lot think that pure STR is the best way to go, when in fact it's not so simple. They cannot AoE tank like WARs, because they can not, if not barely after 56, self heal via AoE attacks like WARs can. They need just as much healing attention as PLDs do in any fight that involves multiple enemies. Then you got the high resource management and you got issues worse than a WAR. With the added power, the only thing you got to fear from a pure VIT DRK is if they have no clue what they are even doing. Yes it's THAT hard to fail at threat management with DRK. And your typical PLD's and WAR's problem with threat is that they conserve too much and/or are weak.

@LalaOfLight

9 жыл бұрын

linkkopervos I prefer playing PLD for similar reasons. When my healer screws up a mechanic, I can keep her alive with a cover, clemency or stoneskin, which often makes the difference between a win and a wipe. WAR might have more DPS output in a perfect group, but we can't expect DF groups to be perfect all the time, especially if you have my luck. PLD is just more reliable when shit hits the fan. While I absolutely love DRK's style, I feel the class still need some work, especially on living dead and the TP situation. Maybe a FFXI type drain-TP spell would make sense?

@dangerwarg9682

9 жыл бұрын

Aaron Chen I'm sure you just use resort using spells if TP becomes an issue. Unmend, Abyssal Drain and Unleash are GCDs costing MP rather than TP, so using them will restore you TP while you still deal damage. It's the same logic behind how Warriors have their Wrath actions to restore TP, because they don't cost TP and are GCD therefore, you gain TP anytime you use inner beast, cyclone, fel cleave, and decimate. It's also why most Warriors have flash in the first place, because it does not cost TP. As long as your in a stance as Warrior, then you can never really run out of TP . .. . Don't use flash for DRK, ever, unless you're stuck with Garuda EX; that spiny plume. The only set back in this those is that if you don't have the MP to blast someone with your spells, then you're absolutely shut down.

@Majes0the0maverick

8 жыл бұрын

RangaRiis DRK actually AoE tanks pretty well. I haven't had that issue. I'm a pure STR DRK as well. I haven't had a single issue with any of that with the exception of the self heals. Also what you say about the healing attention be the same as PLDs I do agree with that as well.

@mrhappy1227 I have to say, your videos are top notch for a game-specific KZreadr. Your information has been clear, concise, and unbiased. The cadence of your scripts is well prepared, and your voice doesn't grate on my ears like a significant number of other KZreadrs. Keep making videos, sir.

Rewatching this makes me sad about what they did to Dark Knight.

A few things still require commentary to fully explain. For example, not mentioned here is AOE. In passing, it was mentioned that Paladin AOE DPS is a bit crap, and it is, but it's also important to note that Flash blinds and their AOE DPS ability, while on a cooldown, comes with a DOT. But there's more going on here. PLD might not do damage, but it does generate threat just fine in shield oath (as soon as you get Shield Oath, which for some reason you don't get until 40 while the other tank stances come at 30, so prepare to have difficulty in the dungeons between 30-40 when the DPS rockets up and your threatgen doesn't). DRK also has a circle telegraph AOE build, and it's much better with damage. However, it drinks mana, mana you sometimes don't have and that you need for your abilities (keeping Darkside up). Warrior is even worse, as their AOE isn't a circle, it's a cone. That means you MUST be facing the thing you hit, you can't run into a pack and AOE, you have to sometimes dance around things while you do it. And that move drinks TP... TP that, unlike both the other tanks, you can't get back on your own. This is an issue in two cases. First, trash pulls with dungeon groups in a hurry will totally crush your TP as a WAR, especially if the DPS (and healer who is DPSing) are AOEing or hitting other targets. The second is an add phase, where you might have to hold hate on two or more targets, both of which might be receiving some insane damage (or will just jump to a healer considering how much healing is being done in a boss fight). The point is, PLD doesn't have a lot of ways to get mana back, but at least you can at a reasonable rate. For DRK, it can actually be easy if you're holding multiple mobs (fire up Dark Dance and you can actually use multiple adds to regenerate your MP). WARs do not really use MP, can't regen it quickly, and the only way to restore TP yourself is to be in Deliverance and fire up Equilibrium. Long and the short of it, PLD can generate AOE threat just fine, and is relatively good with that. DRK is actually probably the best as long as you're taking damage, so you can quickly regenerate mana. WAR is probably the hardest and might require both your party to do some creative stacking and/or to make sure someone is throwing you TP now and then. Every tank has resource management; WAR may not really need to track mana, but you also have to keep a serious eye on your TP bar and make sure you're not overspending. The way this tanking is implemented is also slightly different. All tanks are viable in pretty much all situations, but you need to be using them correctly. For instance, PLD includes a LOT of damage reduction. This is why they can be easier to use; a lot of what they do is basically "on" all the time. And Paladin situational tanking is second to none (you've got moves that entirely negate damage, resist draw-in effects, etc.) DRKs you need to be planning ahead sometimes. A lot of their survivability comes from vamping HP and active mitigation (that helps reduce the 'chaos' that is brought up here). You need to make sure that if something is coming, you pop the right resistances and help in your own survival. A DRK can make things a lot easier on a healer than even a PLD can in spurts, so you can even out and highly improve your own performance. WAR tanking is entirely thought ahead. Warriors, as mentioned, are tanking with their health bar instead of their mitigation (their tank stance doesn't even reduce incoming damage). Don't forget that means that your healers, even though you HAVE 25% more health, will still have to heal you for 15-20% additional damage because you aren't reducing it, you just have more health to compensate. Not only do you have to be ahead of what's coming (and you have fewer active mitigations to help reduce damage), but one of your best damage reductions is on a short duration and requires five stacks of wrath. Sometimes, this means holding onto wrath, killing your DPS, because you'll have to use them to resist damage (and time it well). Thankfully, it's not technically on cooldown, so if you can time it right, you can get a decent bit of mitigation unaccounted for. Just time it right. Also, I should mention that DRK stun is amazing. It's faster than the WAR stun if I recall correctly, but the PLD stun has a major problem. It's on the global cooldown, meaning that you actually have to sometimes come out of rhythm tanking as a PLD because you know you'll have to stun soon. Luckily, you have a separate button for silence, but it does mean you need to not be hitting a key for Rage of Halone when you need to Shield Bash to interrupt something, or your GCD will make you too late. .... That was longer than I thought. This could go on forever. Really, try them all out and stick with the one you like. Or keep all three! Aside from weapons, they very often use the same gear (most tanking gear isn't class specific, just specific to tanks), and it's nice to have the option of both. I main WAR, but I will sometimes use DRK when I know I'll be offtanking adds or dealing with extended tank busters (like Perpetual Ray in A8).

@PriestKikyo

8 жыл бұрын

You main WAR but everything you said here is bashing Warrior and praising Paladin then Drk... wtf? lol

@oceandark3044

8 жыл бұрын

PriestKikyo People have to walk into it with open eyes, man. WAR is not for everyone nor for every situation. And there are a lot of dead WARs out there who just got to 60 without thinking of the options. Not everyone wants to play the WAR style, despite it sounding great in this video. It's not really a high skill set to maximize (every tank can be skill maxed if you know what you're looking for). And people DEFINITELY need to know what it does to the healers. You may have more HP, but you're requiring 20-25% more healing. And people MUST know that one of their mitigations is tied up in their Defiance stacks. Yeah, I love WAR. I run with some very pro healers, though, for whom my extra HP is a decent buffer. I also almost always run with a NIN, and my primary healer is an AST. I'm tailor made to run on a WAR. There's a reason I also have DRK geared and ready to go, though. And the thing is, I disagree with points on the video's DRK assessment. It's not really chaotic, but you HAVE to know what you're doing. It's an active mitigation/resource heavy tank. I think it has a potentially higher ceiling even than WAR. But you have got to be ahead of the game on one; you don't have the physical buffness of a PLD or a WAR's HP, you're tied up completely in active mitigations and HP vamping.

@blackyraypatrick9041

7 жыл бұрын

and? :D Maybe its the Think he loves on the WAR. He is difficult to Play and you have to handle with some weaknesses of this class....

@mehgamer467

7 жыл бұрын

Veian Demontrond he said dark is chaotic because you have a lot of buttons to press and can have a decent amount happening at once compared to the other tanks thanks to the amount of oGCDs (and that was the intention of the job). also warriors get flash too. They don't need mp and overpower generates more emnity thanks to it doing physical damage and being boosted by berserk. At earlier levels TP can be hard to manage, but it's really not that hard later on. You may get low when pulling big mobs, but you'll have the emnity for awhile at that point. Now if dps is God awful that's a different story. though you should be off tanking adds as warrior instead really.

@oceandark3044

7 жыл бұрын

MehGamer Thing is, TP as a WAR doesn't really change as the levels go on. It's entirely dependent on DPS, and in reverse. If you're in a dungeon (where this stuff's all a big deal), really good DPS on different targets mean extra overpowers, and it costs you. On the prototypical trial fight, though, you're right. In small doses, the AOE doesn't hurt, and you tend to regen it when you stop DPS to dodge mechanics. I think we're just talking about different situations. However, I think we disagree on what he meant by "chaotic" in regard to DRK. I can see why he'd say that in regards to the DRK moveset. Reprisal, their damage reducer, is based on parrying an attack (so you can't always have it up when you need it). They also don't have a shield or a WAR's HP, which makes their damage intake VERY spikey, compared to the other tanks, if they don't mitigate. So DRKs can be particularly vulnerable to tankbusters if the stars don't align and they're out of CDs. I do know that, even if I've burned my CDs, healers can reasonably save my dumb ass on a WAR if I eat a monster tankbuster with nothing but my HP and tank stance. I mean, granted, the turnover on WAR abilities is so quick that shouldn't happen; Inner Beast is easy to sit on a few half-beats and drop whenever you need it, and it ALWAYS works at 5 stacks of Wrath. That's the beauty of WAR (my main reason for liking it), it's hard to screw yourself over 45 seconds down the road if someone makes a mistake and you have to compensate. Of course, all this is academic anymore. We don't choose our tanks on maximum survivability anymore, we choose them in increasing order of DPS potential. Our groups always set the PLD up as MT if we have one not because they're always the best tank for the job, but because they usually do the least DPS. Which makes this video somewhat ironic because he does make a good case for WARs being the best tanks, yet they're also, as you say, the most used offtanks simply because their DPS potential is so much higher. Anyway, my main reason for responding was that he seemed to think WAR had a higher skill ceiling, which isn't necessarily true, though I'm not discounting what he says. It's likely true for him that he's found more potential in WAR. If WAR has one big overwhelming advantage, it's flexibility.

Thank you much! I just started tanking. And I'm leveling them all evenly. But this video helped me understand and pick a main. Thanks Happy!

Beautiful Review! Thanks so much

I play a 60 paladin, i like the reliability of the paladin's mitigation and if CD's are carefully managed it takes some stress from my healers ^^

i think at this point, getting some sort of skill tree is becoming a necessity in this game. Since the paladin is the only sword-shield-wielding job, people expect it to be a big damage dealer like the other tanks, and they're right about that. Other people (like myself) see the paladin as a holy knight, and nothing mimics the feeling of protecting your friends better than being able to cover, stoneskin and even substantially heal a friend in need. At this point they could (and have tried) expand(ing) the paladin towards a more holy-magic, support tank OR a gladiator-like dps-tank, but they are catering for both simultaneously and what happens is everything ends up feeling half-baked.

I just started playing FF14 two days ago. This video helped me choose warrior to start, and specifically Marauder. Thanks for all the detail and insight!

thank you so much for these videos. FFXIV is my first MMO. I usually DPS as DRG. but i wanted to tank for a while and these help. thank you so much game on

As a healer, pug warriors are my nightmare : Now I have a warrior in my FC that is a dream to deal with-cuz he doesn't SUCK. But pugs?! *cry* I know there's good ones out there but it sure does feel like I never get them.

@NixonAxi

9 жыл бұрын

aster lighttree If the WAR is having Deliverance up with 6+ mobs beating on his face & actually able to hold em on him doesn't mean he is bad .. unless he uses no cooldowns at all to be able to stay in that stance comfortably , then he is an idiot.

@nerooblivion7194

9 жыл бұрын

it's quite easy to be a good War even if tanking in Deliverance, the main problem I'll admit to having while currently leveling war is I tend to stance dance at bad times, but i do notice (especially with my raid OT WAR in Ravana EX had a problem of flippin shit after a double crit fell cleave ), they do have problems salivating over their new found super DPS and don't pay attention after something like a 10k double Fell

@good_playlists

8 жыл бұрын

+aster lighttree this made me laugh so hard xD sometimes its the same for tanks we get 1 regen white mages switch to dps and us wars just try and hope to stay alive with 8 mobs on us

@AlcyonEldara

8 жыл бұрын

+Good_Playlists : I agree with you, but I also agree with aster lighttree (and I play A LOT with my WAR :p). I'm also annoyed when you have a WHM popping a Regen at the exact moment you're pulling a pack :p

@good_playlists

8 жыл бұрын

+David Sbabo aggro for me now isn't really an issue with full strength, unchained, berserk, and internal release after awhile i could see why the healers did that.. with full strength on as a war you'd be surprised how long you could last with 1 regen and self heals.. the higher your strength as a war the more you could heal yourself.. yea sure your hp goes down wayy faster but using cooldowns constantly its very possible to get through a dungeon faster.. the only bad part is when the healers forget they have to throw a regen every now and then.. i never actually tried this in deliverance though its probably different

I'm part of the minority here. Despite the pros wars have PLD will always my favorite class compared to the other 2 tanks.

Thanks for this, I still haven't been able to decide which tank I want to play as I have all 3 sitting around 40-50. Would be awesome if you can do a similar video for the DPS jobs and healers also!

I've been using WAR as my tank class for some time, and the main thing I'm trying to get down fully is getting comfy when switching between the two stances in a given fight. That though stems from I'm pretty staunch about keeping as much enmity as possible and maintaining it. Getting there though, but thank you for this guide Mr. Happy! :)

Warrior might be the current best, but *points at Avatar* Dark Knight for me.

I think you mean lower "main tanking" damage. Paladin can hit pretty hard as an OT. As a warrior I've done research and it was a common misconception that warriors blew paladins out of the water "damage wise" thanks to their higher burst damage in the past. Paladin for the longest time has dealt more damage in sword oath than warrior when OTing. The tanks are all fairly balanced when it comes to OTing damage and are fairly close to each other DPS (excluding MTing in their tanking stances). At least ignoring Aoe damage since, as you mentioned, Pally's aoe sucks.

@gii7851

9 жыл бұрын

I doubt paladin did more damage than a warrior out of tank stance and it sure as hell doesn't come close to it's off tank dps now.

@stanner601

9 жыл бұрын

+i Glitch It did before Heavensward

@gii7851

9 жыл бұрын

highroll hero While PLD does get an extra auto attack while in sword oath, WAR does get maim and storms eye which increases a WAR's dps quite a bit. iirc, maim used to increase a WAR's damage dealt by 10% (now increases damage dealt by 20%) and with 100% up time on storms eye it's pretty silly to say a PLD does more dps than a WAR.

@gii7851

9 жыл бұрын

monokuma enoshima Like I said before, WAR's dps is undeniably better than a PLD's dps because of those two weaponskills. I'm sure they're putting out more numbers while in tank stance as well. It's why you see WAR's pulling off PLD's so easily. Another thing is that it's obvious a PLD is going to do more dps than a WAR without Berserk if they're using Fight or Flight. But if neither of them are using Fight or Flight or Berserk, a WAR is still going to out dps the PLD. While PLD's pre expansion off tank dps wasn't far off a WAR's, it was never better.

@gii7851

9 жыл бұрын

And yes, it was the worst MT back in the day because it didn't have any mitigation. It does now so it's pretty capable of being a decent MT.

Been dragging my feet on leveling my 55 warrior but this video has gotten me rehyped!

I'm a new player, and found this video to be extremely helpful. Thank you very much!

For me Dark Knight despite it's cons is first place, simply because I like the Greatsword and some of it's utility despite some of it being locked behind the parry mechanic. Paladin second just because. Warrior third, because I've not actually played that enough, and I've never been a fan of axes in the first place.

@Hawntbawt

9 жыл бұрын

Brilliant reasons

@Commanderflynn

9 жыл бұрын

Can't tell if serious... or sarcastic...

@Fantasmafamiglia

9 жыл бұрын

CommanderFlynn let me help you with that , Sarcasm

@Commanderflynn

9 жыл бұрын

ArisborTKB Eh, had a feeling it was, but hey, this is the internet.

@wilson713

8 жыл бұрын

+CommanderFlynn I love playing Dark Knight so far, but I feel like half the time I'm going "Ohshitohshitohshit" as I try to keep up with cooldowns and mp management.

I don't have all 3 to 60 yet but so far when I play as a PLD I feel the most like an actual tank, I deal zero damage however take very very little allowing for healers to deal way more damage, however as a DRK I feel like I will never lose enmity as long as I have at least 609 MP, I feel like a hate generating machine since I never lose hate with it, as a WAR I feel like a DPS with tank queues and the role of a tank, the damage im doing is already really high and I haven't even hit 50 but after playing PLD I feel squishy

Divine Veil doesn't have to be healed by a party member to activate, the PLD can self heal with Clemency and that works as well :) I main as PLD and Divine Veil comes in handy a lot. I use it right after the jump in A1S and it makes a notable difference.

Can anyone help me with the button layouts/macros for some of these? DRK in particular, I love the way MrHappy's buttons are set up in this video.

Lalafel tanks are so darn cute.

I would disagree with paladin being easier to start with - Low level paladin tanking Sucks when you dont have tank stance OR high level gear to offset this. When you first step foot into an instance at level 15 with all white gear, if your DPS aren't following rotation or something goes wrong in the slightest, there's not much you can do about it. The other two tank classes don't seem to have that problem as bad. Now at end game I totally agree that paladin is the easiest. It's not just easy to start with.

@Photanic

8 жыл бұрын

+Zeik War To be fair, gladiators and marauders both suffer from early game difficulties. Arguably, though, gladiators have less trouble because their aoe threat generator, Flash, is omnidirectional and uses MP, whereas marauder's aoe threat generator, Overpower, is a frontal cone, requiring positioning and aiming, and uses TP, which can put a resource strain on them if they abuse it too much, both of which make it a little bit trickier to use effectively.

@busbee247

8 жыл бұрын

brayflox, qarn, and cutter's cry without shield oath are especially painful and lead new tanks into believing they are bad at tanking

@Photanic

8 жыл бұрын

busbee247 I will admit, there's a dip over there in the 30 range, but fresh out of the box, I think gladiators are more user friendly at low levels than marauders, with more useful and easier to understand tank cooldowns and easier to utilize threat builders, thus gladiators have a higher chance of giving a good first impression. That's more or less my point.

@PriestKikyo

8 жыл бұрын

I'm a noobie and I feel GLD sucks to start with... I do like 0 damage plus i still take lots of dmg... Only decent part is Flash for aoe threat but its sad it doesnt even do any fucking damage lol. I'm going to try Warrior instead and just take Flash and Provoke for cross class abilities. I think thats the best option really.

@Zeik188

8 жыл бұрын

Warrior has OP at low levels which is a lot more useful then flash while tanking at that level. At end game (and I understand I'm probably in the minority) I enjoyed Paladin way more then my warrior. Personal Preference, but I like sword and board way better. It just takes Paladin forever to get all the tools they need and Warriors get them way sooner.

Warrior Main On Diabolos Here! Man our job has come so far from when we were so gimped behind the pally. Loving the new dps stance too. Great Vid. Been debating leveling drk for awhile now, but I think I'll steer clear lol

how can you show your groupstats inside your HUD? i can just see them by pressing O to open the party window

I never really liked the MRD/WAR , i don't know why, i tried MRD for about 10 levels then switched to PLD, then when i reached HW i switched again to DRK, and i prefer DRK over the other two.

As a tank I'm not a fan of the idea of having 2 jobs, tank and dps. I picked a tank job so I could tank, popping cooldowns and to stay alive, making sure the mobs are positioned right and make sure I'm the foes face. When I started playing FFXIV it felt like enmity actually was a thing, this made me happy and hopeful, but now when I reached end game raiding it's all gone down the drain. As a tank I want to fight for enmity, not for dps. I'm at the point where I can't use the drops I got from savage as I'm expected to meet a certain amount of dps and to do that have to wear some slaying accessories making my fending drops redundant.

I think that you were spot on with almost everything in this Video. War was my first tank so I learned the hard way... Though DRK is so visually pleasing. I'll be fine without a PLD in my life.

Dude you sound like the guy from LoL who does comment the champion spottlight o.O Thank you for this Vid, Keep it up!

dark knight should get the 2nd place simply because it's way more badass than paladin

Warrior for life

One thing about DRK which you touched on briefly (and can be either a PRO or a CON, depending on the player) is that the constant MP struggle is akin to a seperate mechanic. Personally, I find it makes tanking that much more interesting as I don't just fall asleep using the same old routine like I do on my warrior. I need to pay attention to my MP at all times and decide when I am going to boost abilities and when I need to recoup mana for incoming damage/adds/etc.

Good video brother. Been rolling drk as of late, but warrior just looks so shmexy. You deserve more views bud.

Gladiator tanking is terrible in the first few dungeons.

@VampireNoblesse

8 жыл бұрын

+Gnoxxify only if you have overgeared players with you. then they steal hate too fast.. but that should have been fix a lot with 3.2

@justinsadler5695

8 жыл бұрын

^this. all of this.

@andrewtimothy9792

8 жыл бұрын

its horrible until you get shield oath basically, which i still wonder to this fckin day, why all other tanks receive their tank stance at 30 but not paladin.

@Deadeye2907

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I've been thinking about changing to PLD as WAR just isn't my thing... No looking forward to leveling it though ;-;

@JoZero95

7 жыл бұрын

Yep,I just started tanking with gladiator and keeping aggro is terrible and even worse if the other party members are overgeared.

all these people playing war in heavensward ...where was everyone "maining" warrior in ARR before they had the kit change, right....i bet you guys change your favorite football team to whatever one is in the playoffs too i bet...

@TheZiggaZow

7 жыл бұрын

not like this games give you much of a choice.... i just started about 2 weeks ago and i cant pick drk to start with . i damn sure aint playing boring ass paladin. you cant fault people for picking warrior its obviously the coolest of the 2 starting tanks. sorry for commenting on a year old post

@GordieKat

7 жыл бұрын

TheZiggaZow How are Paladins not cool?

The way I would Rank the tanks is as follows.. 1) Warrior - For all the reasons stated by Mrhappy, they are just monsters when it comes to dps and even when tanking they are no push over, able to self heal for massive amounts with equilibrium and bloodbath when its paired with DPS cooldowns like berzerk. 2) DRK - A majority of fights in FFXIV Have incredibly high magic dmg tank busters and very few are physical dmg. The Raw Damage output from them is far higher then anything the PLD can put out, and their dps while tanking is also extremely good. 3) PLD - While being 3rd on my list I feel like PLD is the safe option for people looking to do content and be incredibly safe while doing so, the PLD's mitigation is no joke and as Mrhappy pointed out Hallowed ground is probably the strongest ability in the game currently, their utility is really strong with Divine Vale and with Clemency they can assist your healers with spot healing if needed Although getting interrupted while trying to cast it is really annoying. All of this being said it is probably also one of the easiest tanks to play and is really straight forward when it comes to how its played. Now while i agree with Mrhappy that these 3 tanks can be interchangeable and completely viable i feel like the synergy between DRK and Warrior is completely amazing, the double up on Reprisal and Storms Path when they are both up is awesome, and if well timed can mitigate quite a chunk of dmg. So with all that being said i feel like there isn't really a situation where you wouldn't bring a warrior in your off tank position. Storms path is to strong to give up if you have the choice and their dps is unrivaled currently by either tank especially the PLD and i also feel like having a DRK in the OT position doesn't bring any utility for the raid bar delirium blade and if you are running a monk there isn't any utility it is bringing, they just become another dps class when not tanking and bring nothing to help the raid in the position. PLD in the off tank position is going to do far less dmg then either DRK or WAR and while in the OT position can assist the healers with mitigating abilitys and heals but this all could be accomplished while being the main tank as well. DRK and PLD can be interchangeable based on what the fights mechanics entail being Magic heavy dmg or Physical heavy dmg each one of these specialize in one and are each others polar opposites. I just don't feel like either DRK or PLD are suited to be in the OT position and shine more as a Main Tank.

Great analysis. The real question groups must ask theirselves is : "Is there any downside having a warrior?" and the answer is obviously no. Sure a DRK/PLD comp might be easier to heal depending on which fight you are on but the warrior takes more damage. On the other hand it's such a versatile job. I've seen a 20m video where the dps of each tank is parsed in optimal conditions (ie with slashing debuff) and the difference beetween all the tanks is not that huge. But there's still a gap beetween warrior and the other two tanks. I'm playing DRK right now and in savage even if we're clearing things with a paladin as the other tank I can't help to feel useless. Unfortunately for me there's also a monk and as such my only raid wide utility skill is useless except on A1 where you can split the debuff. Sure warriors are harder to heal but in my opinion (feel free to disagree we're on the internet :p) it's not fair to have a job that is THAT versatile... If you either give a lot of utility make it so the job has an overall lower dps (PLD) or if it wont have a lot of utility (or none) in this case make it so it as a lot of damage. So people can trade utility for damage which is not the case at the moment. As of now like you said warrior is just to good to be ignored. I don't know the others but the healer/dps/tank check on alexander is far bigger than it was on any coil. My groupe wiped many times around 2% on the oppressor but in the end we got it. However if we had a warrior this could have been a lot easier. Also I really don't know why the warrior was given equilibrium while except if you spam overpower you will almost never need PT thanks to pacification and spells like fell cleaves and decimates which are on the gcd I've been getting my warrior to 60 lately and it felt amazing to be able to put that much damage in savage while still giving your group help aside from DPS. In the end I don't think warriors needs a nerf, but the other classes needs a slight buff. Unlike many people I think just like you. Any class are viable in end game content but there are things that need to be tweaked in order to get a correct diversity.

No parsed data = no credibility to ranking.

I feel like you deliberately mispronounce shit just to troll people. "Repreesal?" Really?

@michaelpoveromo125

8 жыл бұрын

+UnashamedlyHentai Nah I heard my Warrior say it and it stuck with me

i am a dark knight guy but thx to your explaination i can see the potential of the other classes

Nice Video ... great Job!

This was great! I'm coming back to the game with the expansion and while I can heal okay with my White Mage and Scholar, I would like to tank as I get to know a given dungeon or raid. I need some videos on the Warrior. There are so many skills that keeping track of cooldowns and when to use which skill as well as positioning and the fight mechanics, it is a bit much, especially with a controller. I can see why there is such a huge shortage of people playing tanks in FF XIV, at least based on Duty queue times. I'm going to give up on the Paladin and Dark Knight except for soloing or FATEs as tracking their abilities as well as the Warrior seems like too much.

Just curious about this if I chose to PvP with one of these classes would the DK be the best bet due to blinds? Or what is your take on that?

@rayhatesu

7 жыл бұрын

Kamarr Roxs Paladin is actually the strongest in most PVP scenarios since they can Pacify a dps or tank (outside of casters) with Shield Swipe, stun anything for the longest amount of time available with Shield Bash, and protect allies from damage using Cover. These alone outweigh a lot of the pure DPS advantages of the other tanks, but if that wasn't enough, PLD can also use cooldowns to decrease incoming damage or ignore it entirely, give the entire party other than themselves a shield equivalent to 10% of their own max health (the Paladin's, not the ones being shielded), and should someone need health in an emergency, they can cast Clemency to heal them for an amount roughly equivalent to a slightly weakened cure 2 (while simultaneously healing themselves for half the amount they healed the target by). All in all, the sheer utility brought by the Paladin is hard to beat.

So, I totally agree. This is the first time I've ever seen this and I was just wondering what other people thought about the classes. I watch alot of Xenoxis Vex videos and his war tips and I thought I'd throw something in that Idk if you left out or didn't know also. Berserk which War does also has synergy with pretty much all of the war's cooldowns too. Being used with Vengeance makes it so the Damage refracted back to enemies is more, We get more heals when used with Bloodbath, Inner Beast is self explanatory and of course it adds to our health pool when we couple it with thrill of battle. Berserk is the go-to Cooldown for War's and should be used regularly as soon as it's available after it's cooldown again. Coupled with Deliverance and Defiance along with Stance-Swapping, It gives the war the extra to stand apart from the other tanks. Imo.

Mr happy I would like to tell you that this video alone convinced me to buy and play this game. which then lead to me creating 3 characters, one for each class. Thank you for making and posting this video. please keep up with your good work and posting them.

@juancano500

7 жыл бұрын

you can play every single class with one character

Very nice video! Thanks.

I agree with this exactly. WAR is above the other 2, while the other 2 are about equal in 2nd and 3rd.

A particular con I have as a WAR is the fact that Inner Beast is on GCD (or at least it used to be, I haven't played in a hot minute) meaning that their main damage mitigation ability has to be buffered based on fight mechanics, and sometimes forces you to sit there not doing anything just so you have the cooldown available for a random big hit. Ignore me if this is still not the case, but it's something that caused me a lot of frustration on fights like Twintania, where I actually had to count the seconds, and then stop doing anything until I saw the cast bar appear.

thanks for this...ive been playing for close to a month now and really considering making a tank. I was told...whichever you make you should at least level up your gladiator so you get provoke.

A couple corrections/notes. First, Grit gives no access to additional powers. In fact, it locks one (blood weapon) away. Secondly, the TP issue isn't as big a deal as it would be for other tanks, as DRK is able to spam Unmend (Or Abyssal Drain) for a while to regain some of their TP while still maintaining threat generation and some damage.

@Majes0the0maverick

8 жыл бұрын

12jojimbo Grit gives 100% damage dealt with souleater back as hp. Lemme correct myself it's actually Souleater that has that ability when Grit is active.

@12jojimbo

8 жыл бұрын

Majes0the0maverick I can't believe I forgot about that. You're right. It DOES in fact, give some functionality.

I love my pally. However, I would love the ability to be able to "stance dance" more effectively.

Hey, what about a new, updated video for these classes for Stormblood? Without the cross class, would be great to see your opinions.

I need to start checking the year these Final Fantasy 14 videos were released. So much has changed over the years, and still changing.

well i always used to hear that the paladin was a defencive tank, the warrior was more agressive. the dark knight is just on another class to begin with since instead of having high mitigation they have DPS since theyr moto is to... "kill all enemies before they kill your party members"

hey i am geting a crash on a update called them up and they said it is my ports......onley game that ever did this fire wall off anti V off open in admin and in winx xp . i am running in win 10 i tried like 10 times when it crashed the update restarts from stach or way back.

Considering the figures released by Square, it would appear, Gladiator/Paladin is the most loved tank class. Something I wanted to mention regarding Dark Knight was in regard to your point about it bottoming out on TP extremely fast. I raid in Alexander as both Paladin and Dark Knight, depending on the floor, and I find that I run out of TP much, MUCH, faster on my Paladin. In fact I barely use any TP at all on my Dark Knight. The only time i've even had to ask for our Ninja to goad me is when i've died and been resurrected with next to none left. It's not a con at all but rather a pro as they rely heavily on MP regen which happens to be something they're extremely good at.

Would stacking your stat points in attributes, Vat., Str., and Dex., make a slight difference in each tank too?

@ollycious1636

9 жыл бұрын

Wing Raim it's useless to use dex on tanks but it do make difference if you put it in strength though strength stat points usually good for warrior, but not usually a mandatory for drk and pld

Just a suggestion, but when talking about a specific ability or action, the icon image as seen in the game ability bar is a really helpful reminder of which ability you're referring to. I myself tend to forget names of certain abilities and more likely remember less so the name, but moreso the effects, etc. *shrug* Just a thought. I know not everyone is as clueless as me with an MMO. :P *edit - Otherwise, keep up the great work. Always enjoy your videos Happy!

What I LOVE about paladin is that you can also support your team in some way. I stop counting the number of time I Linked myself to an ally with cover to prevent him/her to get burst down by a boss AOE. He also have a insta stun that share a cooldown with your other basic spells which can be very usefull when you know monsters pattern and timing. He can silence monster every 30 second which is great for so many reasons. Same for his shield swipe that prevent enemies from using non-magic aoe and stuff for a short duration after you blocked. You can also lower accuracy of the monsters around to help evade more attacks. And now he can heal huge amount of hp. His versatility and usefullness is simply wonderfull comparated to the Warriors that focus only on doing damage and not giving a damn about the incomming attack on him (which can be so much fun to do, indeed '*'_'*').

while maybe not relevant with sb coming: i took convalescence and made a macro that announces the living dead and casts convalescense and living dead afterwards.... that way they can heal me to full if needed or if i go walking dead, convalescense will still be in effect :p

It's weird that you don't mention that Storm's Eye doesn't stack with Dancing Edge, and that one will remove the other.

it was an amazing video really helpful since I'm moving from the schloar and trying out the warrior, are you going to do a video comparing all 3 healers?

@Reiryuu

9 жыл бұрын

kendrickjones01 IIRC Yoshi P and the gang said that there will be some changes coming to AST in 3.1, so it's probably best to wait until they stop changing AST before he makes a fair comparison.

@kendrickjones01

9 жыл бұрын

Oh ok well thanks for the info I was leveling up and AST but I didn't like the way the class is set up it too focused on the cards effects in my opinion

@Reiryuu

9 жыл бұрын

kendrickjones01 I agree, and the card system feels to... "clunky" for me. My AST is 55, and it feels a bit better 50+ but 50 and lower it feels kind of... awkward because I have so little to do besides heal and dotting all the enemies feels kind of tedious since they don't get a spread mechanic like Bane. And then... Malefic all the way to 54 makes me feel very sad... but then I usually play WHM so perhaps that's why I felt that way. I still like AST better than scholar though. Managing the fairy just drives me crazy lol

Going from PLD to WAR. I knew Holmgang wasn't going to march Hallowed Ground but I was pleasantly surprised that Holmgang's cool down is much less than half. You can Pop two Holmgangs and be 60 secs into the third cooldown of one Hallowed Ground.

what about the number of aoe that drk can use as a pros?

I pop convalescence as a handicap for my healers whenever I pop living dead, it has saved my ass several times. A macro helps sometimes too, just don't try to use it at the last possible second. Even if you use it and end up being healed before an actual death would have happened the cool down is still shorter than HG. :)

I have been slowly working on my tanks. And I was wondering if you might have a suggestion on what to spend the ability points on when you level. Do i want to stack vitality or strength or a combo of the two and which is more important. I just want to be the best tank I can be. Any help here would be very welcomed. Love the videos. Keep it up.

@SnakeEaterBaby

8 жыл бұрын

You'll want to put them in vitality. When you hit max level you can worry about how to optimize them.

@FlareSaber

8 жыл бұрын

So Vit for leveling and when max change to better fit?

@SnakeEaterBaby

8 жыл бұрын

+Daisuke Nomura Yeah, while you're leveling the extra HP from Vit will give you a buffer and allow you to make mistakes and such when you're tanking. When you're max level you can choose if you want to put them in strength, split them between strength and Vit, etc.

Can you do one comparing DPS classes too? Even if you split them up into Melee, Ranged and Magic?

yesss bring this series of vs back

Hello, new player there. These guides are very interesting, however I'm wondering which mods/tweaks are you using. Could you please share some of them? Thanks

Am I the only one who hears Disturbed's "Warrior" in their head when playing with an axe? The thing I always wonder is how the three would do if using combination attacks. All three have an overall theme, darkness, light, and fire/volcanic power. Makes you wonder.

Equillibrium is effected by str increasing abilities. Berserk followed by Equillibrium or Second wind make both heals much higher.

Pretty much on the spot. One of the disadvantages that you missed for WAR is, that Defiance doesn't affect healing abilities at all, which makes Lustrate and co somewhat less efficient.

Honestly, after playing just the Dark Knight, I really really enjoy it. I haven't played the other two because I simply hate tanking with a passion, but Dark Knight has kind of given me hope that i might enjoy it :D

Yoshi-P Approves this video Warrior Master Race

I just love the why war work it's awesome

As a DRK main I have a perspective that most people don't really think on, but "area control" is something that PLD and WAR don't really cover in their tanking style. Meanwhile, as a DRK, you have Salted Earth, Abyssal Drain, and Plunge to influence areas of the battlefield outside the reach of the other two tank jobs. Admittedly it's a very niche use and is an entirely worthless point when the context of the conversation is how the job performs in Savage, but it's still a use that a lot of people either don't think of or don't care about. Just putting that out there.

Warrior sounds better even now, but I basically came back to this game because of Dark Knight, the high skill cap makes it fun, not to mention the sick as greatsword and all the flashy darkness in the animations. I don't know if it's just me but your commentating has improved HEAPS compared to when I first watched you (which was when the game first came out), so good job :)

I took Dark Knight to level 60 first while both my Paladin and Warrior are both at 50. I took drk to 60 first because I actually had lots of fun playing it and my main class in FFXI was a drk so I was pretty excited about playing it when it finally came to FFXIV. I was gonna go ahead and take Paladin to 60 next...however, after watching your video, I decided to get on warrior instead and I don't regret it one bit. The more I play as warrior, the more I enjoy playing the class lol. Hope to see more of these types of vids on other classes soon!

I would love to see the 4.0 version of this video

I know this is gonna sound like im a big noob but could you do a video showing how youve set up your hotbar

Something about WAR that you didn't mention (or maybe I missed it): Equilibrium and Second Wind (cross-class) is based on attack damage, so Berserk actually increases these both a lot (I have personally done over 10k heal on Equilibrium when it crits)

@Neone4000

9 жыл бұрын

Ryan Anderson Also, I'm a WAR4LIFE

I find the most troublesome mechanic for DRK is the parry. Though not in normal dungeon runs nor when MT. Such as raids or when Ot

Can somebody explain to me what GRAND company chests are for? I've googled it and it's 400 pages of free company chest stuff. I put ten gil in and then couldn't withdraw it, what's it for??

@darkineobli5735

7 жыл бұрын

The grand company chest is also your free company chest if i am not wrong and you have to get a certain rank to withdraw money like the leader rank or just one step under

@illiteratethug3305

7 жыл бұрын

Darkine Obli Thanks

great video happy! on my opinion right now warrior is op, period! in between pld and dkn it always depends on the party composition , we all know that drk deals way more dmg than pld but... the fact that it puts alot of stresses in the healers in a few occasions... well im a fan of both but if i had to chose i would go as war+pld, only switch to drk if the party required to it, for ex no monk or alot of magic dmg coming from bosses... we all know that pld is a TANK and with those def skill... it makes job for healers alotttt easier that the other 2 make. so for healers that r not sure if they are capable of doing things rly good, war+pld as pld a MT, for those who r more confident in their job and know what they are rly doing, war+drk :)

My General order is MT: PLD, WAR, DRK for OT: WAR, DRK, PLD As a 60 WAR and PLD, I feel like a PLD still is the best option for MT allowing WAR and DRK to cut loose as OT's because the PLD requires less maintenance giving healers more room to DPS as well. Overall it's situational because a good DRK is great as MT against Faust in AS1. The biggest issue is that there really is no place for PLD outside of MT'ing even if you excel at the job they offer no real utility as OT and don't DPS like the other 2 tank jobs.

thanks man!

Due to the ease of mastering the job, I'd have to say that Paladin would have to be #1 because of its ease of use and reliability. It's not the best in all scenarios, but against tanking bosses and single targets, Paladin is about 90% your go to because a lot of bosses will do physical damage for their auto attacks. However in raids like Weeping City, I find myself falling behind because the bosses rely on magical damage like Ozma or the second boss, so I definitely allow a Warrior or Dark Knight to take over for me. Overall though, I really recommend playing as a paladin. It's easy, it's fun, and requires a lot less concentration and finger maneuvering than the others. It's great for the rookie tanks, and if they think they can handle the others, they can get into the groove with Paladin as a stepping stone, and then jump right into warrior or Dark Knight. Sometimes, damage and select cooldowns don't make a job, but how easy it is to execute with that job.

Awareness now can run with Raw Intuition when your in a tight spot as it nullify the crit from behind

Warriors and Dark Knights also have the con of taking significantly more auto attack damage than the paladin (due to lack of block), but in a tanking meta where our skill revolves around deciding what defensives to use at what tank busters, it's basically a non-issue.