I'm quite happy as an AST. I don't mind the RNG element. I think too many people see the 30 second cooldown for Draw and think that if they're not getting something useful every draw then its a wasted card. I view the cards as something you manipulate until you have the perfect hand then you launch your *Expanded Balance Celestial Opposition Time Dilation on the Ninja* right as Ravana enters Scorpion Stance, something you spend time working on to get that ultimate hand. It's not meant to be something you get every 30 seconds, but something you work towards. Daily PSA for all AST's - Spire is NOT useless. It's a great tool in the latter portion of long fights, as classes like DRK can start to have trouble maintaining TP the longer a fight goes on. They'll appreciate the Spire.

@fabeon8535

8 жыл бұрын

Totally agree with you.

@VampireGeisha6

8 жыл бұрын

+The Ramos Online its all good for ravana, but in a savage scene the wrong card cant make you a watered down whm with very little point at that given moment. In savage they are still struggling only because of shorter range on Aoe HOT, and the Card system RNG making it so you cant play it to its full effectiveness in a raid environment compared to other healers. I main it, I love it, but its very obvious of its flaws.

@KieronWolf

8 жыл бұрын

draw is 30s

@TranceGurl20

8 жыл бұрын

Amen my friend.Ast all the way all day! :)

@FieryRedDonkeyOfHell

8 жыл бұрын

+The Ramos Online I main DRK and The Spire makes me cry tears of joy in long drawn-out fights.

A good way to not have to worry about micro managing your pet is to make a few macros such as: /micon physick /pac embrace /ac physick make similar versions for leeches/adloquium/lustrate just remember to put the pet actions first or they'll wait until you're done your cast before they use embrace. And for dps abilities use focus target on tank then use macros such as: /micon bio /pac embrace /ac bio make similar macros for all dps spells and debuffs and you'll have such an easy time healing it feels like you're inbound for a nerf. Oh yeah, remember to activate obey in pet actions or else the macros won't be any use.

@Mrhappy1227

8 жыл бұрын

+Watkinson405 I personally wouldn't recommend forcing your pet to heal your current physick target. Its pretty low efficiency. These kinds of things work okay for the Duty Finder, but its far more efficient in Savage to be manually controlling it regardless of healing or dpsing

@mrkuang88

8 жыл бұрын

+Watkinson405 use /pac embrace and heal 2 targets at once.

@vikteren8723

8 жыл бұрын

+Watkinson405 I prefer for offence as SCH /micon bio/bio /bio it allows me to keep my focus on the tank and get my damage out on a target. while I don't mind healing my target with my pet I prefer mo first then target if nothing needed.

@Zaharad

8 жыл бұрын

What I did was I hotkeyed my pets skills, so their abilities go through shift 1-4. Making it easy for my to do that between my other abilities.

@RanOutOfSpac

7 жыл бұрын

Watkinson405 I use similar Macros but, I like having embrace as a separate as well as with every single target heal spell. Mainly so I can heal two separate people at the same time or stack them on one person. It feels more versatile that way. Plus I can spam embrace while DPSing with the on the same macro. I also only have Eos on obey because she's terrible at managing her skills. Selene on the other hand is great on Sic since she activates her spell speed buff instantly off cool down and does of enough heals to allow me to cleric dance, especially with rouse up. I also mainly use Selene post level 40 unless I have a paladin on my team with a dungeon full of magic OR I need tons of heals.

Okay, after looking at several of these guide videos, I am so getting this game once I get back to the states.

Astrologian looks coolest imo out of all healers

no, it's no joke. go into a dungeon with a sch and it's "we have three DPS! and a little pet that'll heal us" lol

@SuperMagicUnderwear

8 жыл бұрын

+Ansel Nyoka Assuming your SCH actually does DPS and doesn't try to be a baby WHM.

@SuperMagicUnderwear

8 жыл бұрын

+Ansel Nyoka Assuming your SCH actually does DPS and doesn't try to be a baby WHM.

@daric_

8 жыл бұрын

Hopefully, your WHM should be contributing a few DoTs and other attacks when opportunity and MP allow. I leveled WHM first then GLA->PLD and it bugged the hell out of me when a WHM in my party would just sit there with max MP waiting for someone to get hit....I was thinking "f&#$ing do something!"

@expiredmilk7324

8 жыл бұрын

+Inhaled Corn without that "baby" your ass would be kicked c'; Healing requires a lot of responsibility so stfu cuz like as a tank for example, you focus on dealing damage. WHM have to make sure everyone's health is in good condition. Harder than you'd think. Plus watch their own health...

@SuperMagicUnderwear

8 жыл бұрын

Mary S How cute. This guy thinks I don't play healer... or my main is a Scholar. When I'm not a Scholar, I see way too often healers just twiddling their thumbs when no one needs heals. A good healer knows that the best form of damage mitigation is a dead mob.

Great video! I'm also shocked that it was really you playing a scholar in that Amdapor Keep run btw. I was the Warrior (who Holmganged through the Demon Wall on accident

I've been playing Astro since pretty much the beginning of HW and i'm currently at ilvl 195. I have done savage. Ihave done coils. I have healed through pretty much every content in the game. All this and I still get fingers pointed at me because well, inferior healer. How come 1 of our heals (an insta-cast one!), that doubles as a shield (which by the way, is better than adlo unless the latter crits) or a HoT that ticks for a massive amount not factored into anything? I have crit Essential dignity for 11k and that thing always seems to be up. We have the same potency as a white mage with our heals costing LESS mp. We have good mp regen. Synastry makes healing things like prey on A1S ridiculously easy, not to mention it just makes astro heals massive (that 40% extra heal? yeah it kinda also heals the person bonded by synastry as well so if you heal the person you cast it on for 7k, there's another 2.8k behind it). Lightspeed makes raid wide healing a breeze. Not to mention you can literally pull groups from certain wipes by using it intelligently. Collective unconscious has a great HoT built in now that refreshes, and unlike Scholar, we can use it without worrying about anything other than a short cooldown (I cant remember the last time i saw a sacred soil, and honestly, I can understand why). And every card has its use if played intelligently, lest we forget that the worst possible thing we can draw is basically a goad. I didnt come here to prove my class is better than the other healers. But can we at least be considered AS good? I love your videos MrHappy, and I've spent hours watching them. But if well known, respected players like yourself keep stepping up and saying underwhelming things about a class that is actually pretty good all things considered, groups will start locking us out of content more and more often, as is already the case. Give it a serious shot. Try healing some advanced content. It'd be nice to see some love for once. Sorry for the rant.

@Mrhappy1227

8 жыл бұрын

+ObiOneKenobi15 Just remember, my only cons include 1.) Lower personal DPS 2.) Nocturnal being underwhelming 3.) Cards can be frustrating. I don't knock its healing, or state that the cards are bad (outside of a quick jab that the balance is arguably the most sought after card), just that its unreliability can be frustrating at times. If anything my only mistake is not making it more clear that Nocturnal is underwhelming for solo-play. Organized statics it basically does exactly what it should do. I make mentions of its powerful cool downs and specifically name the situations they are useful in. I also do state the job functions fine in content, and even at the start of the video that all three jobs can be played within the job's meta. I'm sorry you disagree with my opinion of third place, but people not listening to my pleas not to let this video affect their decision to play a job they like and constant reminders any of these jobs can be used, that's not my fault.

@ObiOneKenobi15

8 жыл бұрын

+Mrhappy1227 I'm quite flattered you actually answered, and I wish to apologize as I feel my comment may have fallen into that internet gray area where it might have actually sounded aggressive. Know that it was not my intent. That being said, it cant be denied that you are an influential player and that your opinions will be taken into account. As for the actual podium you have shown in the video - I can understand it! I really can. I have also tanked for quite some time and understand how much dps is important, especially at more end game content, so I don't necessarily disagree with it. I had been looking forward for the follow up video you mentioned you'd (maybe) do after the Astro update since there were a few errors in that particular video, but also because I was convinced you would enjoy the changes and help clear up mixed opinions. Though this wasn't exactly what I expected, I (and apparently quite a few other fans in the comment section) feel that the description you made of Astro's abilities is not nearly as in depth as the the ones made for Scholar and White Mage. I'd like to conclude by saying that no, it is NOT your fault at all that astro's are being left out. That was just a point I was making. I just really wanted to see a more in-depth approach to what has become my favorite class. And I know you're capable of delivering one of those, because you have done it in the past. I do however understand that you cant please everyone, fear not. Cheers.

@junkiexl86

8 жыл бұрын

+ObiOneKenobi15 Very good points. I think alot of it, is people still equate AST to how it was pre- 3.05/3.07 when it WAS heavily under-performing. I keep hearing the same song and dance with AST having weaker heals, no burst/"oh shit" healing, MP issues etc etc. Not sure where they are getting that from unless they are still equating the class to it's original state. Since 3.05 and esp 3.07 AST has been brought up to speed tenfold. Main heals are on par with WHM strength 400 and 650 potency respectively. Helios is the same potency as Medica 1. The only real difference in heal strength are Aspected Benefic and Aspected Helios, which in Diurnal Sect is only 10 less potency of regen for both, over WHM's Regen and Medica 2. AST has great MP management, though not as good as SCH's, which is a healers wet dream, but is much better then WHM's and the whole card system which has though improved greatly, still needs alot of work imo. On top of that AST imo, has some of the best healing utility with Synasty, Lightspeed and Essential Dignity which is pretty much a 40 sec CD Benediction, if targets health is low enough. Lightspeed is your get out of jail free card in bad situations pretty much making you "Healz on Wheelz" with all instant cast heals at 25% reduced MP rate and then Synastry which is hands down THE best utility any healer could ask for. I have all 3 healing classes to 60 and have healed all content in the game minus Alex Savage with all 3. Not sure why AST still gets such a bad rap, if anything I feel more confident healing end game as an AST then I ever did with WHM thanks to all the built in utility and "oh shit" skills. I've healed exclusively in MMO's for the last 6 years, it's literally all I know. SCH is my main, but AST is becoming more and more my go to healer for end game grinds. Cards, esp Shuffle needs a look over and the DPS is pathetic, but patch 3.1 is coming soon and I've heard buffs are coming for all 3 Heavensward jobs :)

I think white mage is a lot easier to play but scholar is a lot more fun.

@asdfjkl03

8 жыл бұрын

+twittburning I guess that means that WHM is like the PLD of healers :P

@furiaeerinyes3057

8 жыл бұрын

+twittburning truthfully scholars really arent that high of a skillcap its a misconception that having to make choices is difficult give it a try its fun

@RockR277

8 жыл бұрын

Furiae Erinyes I have tried. Both are at 50. I still think WHM is easier and SCH is more fun.

@furiaeerinyes3057

8 жыл бұрын

Try it at 60:) much more quality of life to make sch ezpz astros way harder but astros a much better mitigator and healer

@RockR277

8 жыл бұрын

Furiae Erinyes In due time. Still gotta finish the story and all that. And I move pretty slow. Got astro at 41 right now. Super enjoying the arcana.

Collective Unconscious, Happy. Collective Unconscious.

Hello Mr.Happy, I really enjoy your Videos. I guess Melee dps vs range dps is your next video? Keep up the the brilliant work!!!

WHM is also the only healer that gives the MND party buff.

@ZYaruru

8 жыл бұрын

Really ? Oo what give the two others ?

@inspyral02

8 жыл бұрын

+KibaToshima PIE

@asdfjkl03

8 жыл бұрын

+inspyral02 that's both weird and also discouraging >_ It kind of makes WHM+SCH best heal composition because AST can't get SCH's MND up to make those shields even more effective.

@quirinkanada2111

7 жыл бұрын

inspyral02 Astro do too

I feel you missed a key aspect of AST's Heals vs. WHM, regarding Medica II vs Aspected Benefic. Medica II having that extra 5 yalm radius is actually a huge difference, as that lack of range can make me miss some people despite me being in the middle of the room. It could be a nitpick to some, but for me, I'f had too many cases of "Not being close enough to hit everyone I need to hit"

great vid is it safe to say since this the healers vid took so long to come out the dps wont b coming out soon?

Hey I have a question. What macro are you using for your cleric stance on whm? I didn't see it on your hotbar at the end of the whm discussion. Thanks :)

Will you be doing this V.S. series again for stormblood or do you feel the jobs haven't changed that much? Sorry if you have already answered this!

Nice, this really helped me out.

This helped a lot, thanks!

im sick of people saying astro dps is lacking when it has perma 5% atk speed and 2 dots that ignore accuracy.most healers cannot afford accuracy melds.

@SaikTheGalvantula

8 жыл бұрын

+Zoeila Bio II and Bio still bypass the accuracy requirement, and Astrologian does not have Scholar-like DPS abilities such as Bane, Energy Drain, and Shadow Flare. Scholar also has Virus, Eye for an Eye, Adloquium, etc. to mitigate damage to allow them to more easily stay in Cleric Stance for a longer period of time, alongside a faerie immune to Cleric Stance's effects. Broil is also, while not as potent as Malefic II, still very strong and Scholar can manage spam of it more because its MP regeneration is so amazing. Scholar still, of course, has Aero, meaning four primary DOTs leading to better DOT damage than any other Healer. White Mages also have several strong regens and Cross-Class Virus and Eye for an Eye to allow for larger Cleric Stance periods, Benediction which is still a full heal regardless of being in Cleric Stance or otherwise, and Fluid Aura for extra damage on enemies (particularly those which cannot be pushed back, such as most of the bosses). White Mage also has very strong and potent AOE damage, with Aero III being a strong DOT which takes place in an AOE around the target (unlike abilities such as Circle of Scorn), Holy, and Assize. Stone III is also the most potent of the basic spam DPS spell introduced in 3.0 for Healers. Astrologian does have Combust and Combust II, which are stronger than Bio II and Bio or Aero II and Aero, yet it only has three DOTs (including Aero), yet those combined will likely not come close to that of the full White Mage Aero combination, and it cannot Bane these in a similar fashion to Bio II, Miasma, and Bio for Scholar. Malefic II, while strong, is weaker than Stone III and costs the same amount of MP. Gravity also does not have the Holy Stun which generally leads to less overall time DPSing, as the Stun serves to cause times of overall less damage, leading to more DPS time. Disable is, however, generally better than Virus and will, if used properly, mitigate more damage overall. Astrologian has advantages in certain aspects, yet I find its DPS lacking in comparison to the tools provided for White Mages and Scholars.

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

+monokuma enoshima " its (WHM) regens are weaker than a astro" okay now i know you're bullshitting WHM have the strongest HoTs in the game, AST is a lesser version of SCH and WHM, its regens are far weaker and its barrier heals dont double when they crit like SCH as AST is mainly to *support* both WHM & SCH but on its own its just a weaker clone of the two thus far with it's card buffs making up for it Synastry gives 20% increase to heals which is 10% less then WHM's Divine Seal being 30% more healing potency and it has a 60s CD to Synastry CD being 90s so less heal potency there too compared AST has better utility in raids compared to WHM but that's it

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

monokuma enoshima yes I have it at LV60 which is why i weighted in on this and its regens are bleh compared to WHM i say these following examples for light party dungeons LV60 as such: I do Divine Seal Regen on a tank and that alone can keep them up for say a mob of 3-4 enemies while i do full dps and they barely need to be healed but even less so if in Asylum too I try this with AST and their Diurnal Sect Aspected Benefic with Synastry barely keeps a tank a float compared and AST doesn't have the Aero 3 dot to spread on a mob either and Gravity doesn't stun to stop dmg for a few seconds too, hell AST dps sucks for aoes with it's single target dots only two of which, for real Gravity needs an secondary effect badly the only thing i love AST over WHM or SCH is their Bole buff is superior god send to E4E as it can reduce even more dmg and/or last much longer, its so damn good and stacks with E4E for even less dmg dealt, just amazing AST

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

i can't post numbers, I'm on PS4 O.o and I played before and after the buff patch for it, which was *much* needed but still i feel AST is lacking compared to both healers never said i was running out of MP, all tho in Nocturnal Sect you use more MP then Diurnal Sect that it feels their Shroud version of MP gain doesn't suffice for it while being in Nocturnal compared to SCH's respectively

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

monokuma enoshima aetherflow and cleric stance energy drain......where AST has MP regen and ewer but only really need ewer if in Noc Sect tbh as a majority of the time its totally useless if in Diurnal so i make it a aoe enhance with royal road like....all the time lol, while WHM has Assize as well for 10% MP gain too......god i love Assize so versatile it one shots most adds

Between White Mage and Scholar, I'd have to say White Mage, no contest. While nowhere near as good at damage mitigation and MP conserving, two skills that can actually be indispensable when acting as a healing mage, WHM's direct heals just blow SCH's away. WHM is the go-to job for when a person needs healing _now_, as in _right now_. As in "I can't wait, so please get me out of the danger zone" now. Better than any other healer, the WHM can bring a player up from 2 digit health points back up to full. And often they don't even need to use benediction to do it! (though benediction is a pretty important spell to have on your bar, nonetheless). And as far as MP, WHM does have shroud of saints. Couple that with assize, and I'm pretty much shrugging in parties going "Okay, down to half MP. So what?" Then there's the DPS abilities of stone 2, aero 2, and the *KILLER* ability Holy... I just have to give the bigger props to WHM. (flamer disclaimer) Then again, it's really all a matter of preference. If damage mitigation is more a person's kind of style as far as healing, then they'd be way happier playing scholar, since WHM is more about healing damage done than stopping it. Basically, with WHM, your booboos are sure to be healed and then some. With SCHr, you may not even have booboos that are needing that much healing at all.

@ChadWes1

8 жыл бұрын

+Tonberry Queen Although I respect you opinion fellow healer Idk about the "healing right now" comment. Lustrate has gotten me out of sticky situations like that. Also emergency tactics combined with Adlo has gotten me about a 5-6k heal and if it crits 8-9k. But let me be clear. I main Scholar. I couldn't see myself without a Whm partner. Astro/SCH combo just docent cut it for me personally.

@TonberryQueen

8 жыл бұрын

ChadWes1 Yeah, I always feel at ease when I'm WHMing in a dungeon and my fellow healer is a scholar. I can do the powerhouse heals, while the scholar makes sure the hits don't hit as hard. When I finally passed the last coil, it was with me being whm and the other being scholar. Both classes make a great team.

@junkiexl86

8 жыл бұрын

+Tonberry Queen I have to disagree with WHM having "Much more powerful" heals. Granted you are macro'ing SCH's pets abilities to your own correctly; Aldo (300 potency) + Pets Embrace (300 potency)= 600 potency heal and thats not even counting the shield on top of that, which can be turned to raw heals with Emergency Tactics for a total of 1200 potency heal if Aldo crits on emergency tactics +Pets macro heal .Also, Physick (400 potency) + Pets Embrace (300 potency)= 700 Potency. Both of which are higher potency then Cure 1 (400) and Cure 2 (650) AND less MP cost. SCH also has better AoE healing with Succor (150 potency) + Pets AoE HoT + Indomitability (400 potency)= 550 Potency burst AoE heal + regen and thats not counting the shields from Succor on top of that which like Aldo, can be turned into raw heals with Emergency Tactics for a total of 700 potency burst AoE heals. WHM is better for sustained AoE healing, hence why they are assigned to raid healing and SCH are assigned to MT/OT healer. SCH also has superior DPS over WHM. Holy is nice, yea, so is it's massive MP drain. SCH can apply 3 DoT's, Bane them to other targets and then drop Shadowflare, for 600-900 DPS in raid settings, WHM's are pulling about 400-500 DPS. Far superior utility, MP management, DPS, healing potential (when macro'ed correctly), damage mitigation and burst healing give the nod to SCH. Not saying WHM is bad, we still keep them around for their superior HoT's, and sustained AoE raid healing. With AST being brought up to speed in patch 3.07, making it pretty much a WHM with utility in diurnal sect, I wouldn't be surprised to see AST's replacing many WHM's in statics, esp with rumor of patch 3.1 bringing even more buffs and enhancements to it. I have all 3 healers at 60 and have played all content minus Alex Savage with them. WHM is def my least go to in FFXIV and all I know IS healing.... SCH is overkill healing. It just depends how well you have the pet macro'ed to your own abilities. If you are just leaving the pet in full-auto then yea, SCH IS weaker then WHM heal wise.

@TonberryQueen

8 жыл бұрын

Shawn Elliott I don't know. I've tried scholar for a time, and have done much, including even eat _food_, to maximize it's healing potential. But as many HOTs that scholar has, I'd still have to give raw burst-healing power to the WHM. Many of the WHM's least powerful heals are well on par pr even more powerful than some of the scholar's most used high-end party heals, and while WHM doesn't seem have as much damage mitigation as schs, it's raw healing power is still unmatched. I'm sorry, but even with pets there is no way a scholar can out-burstheal a whm. Even with crits. Whms have always been the go-to class for when people need healing like right _now_. As in a life-saving heal. While scholars, not having the burst healing power of the whm, has always been the class for the damage mitigation. Scholar more _prevents_ the booboos from becoming really bad. But when that doesn't work, WHM makes the booboos go away much faster. And as for damage, while scholar _does_ have some real damage capabilities, I'd just have to disagree with your words about Holy. Holy has always done more damage than you imply it does for me, especially with cleric stance, and has the added bonus of a stun, making semi-speedruns a breeze. plus WHMs wind magic hurts enemies and adds a small dot of it's own while stone heavies enemies AND does more damage. Not to mention the added bonus of having MED 2, regen and Asylum which adds even _more_ hot for a pty. Yep, I've played mainly healers throughout ARR, and I still have to say I prefer the WHM. Not that it's better, mind. It's all about your preferred playstyle. Sch is a great healer for the damage mitigation crowd. Plus it's mana preservation easily trumps the WHMs. (Even though after leveling whm and understanding it, it's never been a problem for me, especially with shroud of saints and the new assize, which adds even more mp regain ability.) Whm is the go-to job if you _really_ want to stay on your toes. I've leveled both, and experienced their power, and the raw burst healing of a whm is more my style.

@junkiexl86

8 жыл бұрын

***** You must of not of read what I said. I clearly broke the math down for you to show that indeed, with proper pet macro'ing, SCH has more potent healing power over the WHM. What WHM burst heals? 300 second CD Benediction? SCH has illustrate (600 potency insta heal with no CD) which, if used properly is OVERKILL allowing you to use it up to 9 times (in 9 seconds). SCH is not better across the board however. As I stated above, WHM's still have their place for great HoT's (Asylum, Regen and Medica 2) and sustained AoE healing. SCH has higher burst AoE healing scaling up to 700 potency + a Regen with again proper pet macro'ing. In order to truly see the power a SCH brings and has, you HAVE to properly macro the pets abilities to your own. Leaving the pet in full-auto is highly inefficient and a total waste. I don't hate WHM's, as I said they have their places, but in no way is WHM a better or stronger burst healer then SCH. DO the math and use proper macro's for the pet. And dont foreget SCH weakest heal with Emergency Tactics can scale up to 1200 potency with pet macros included. Whats WHM weakest heal? Oh right 400! WHM is a fun class to play. I always enjoy playing it, but no that AST has been buffed. I notice in the situations where I would bring my WHM, I use my AST instead since its a WHM, but with far greater utility. I am also seeing more and more raiding statics using AST's over WHM's as well. It seems as though you are only looking at SCH as a damage mitigator, which yea a bulk of the class is meant to do just that, but since HW release, SCH is given 2 roles now; Mitigation and Burst and excel at both. I also have a gut feeling you went on your marry way with SCH with pet in "sic" (full auto stance), pretty much throwing away a large part of SCH's effectiveness and utility. You can get by with pet in full auto, but that just a waste. I am more then willing to post all my SCH pet macros for you or anyone interested.

For new players (like me) what are some recommended starting classes? BTW....I pre-ordered the Stormblood Complete which has Base + Heavensward and Stormblood. So , when I DO start , late June/early July, I will be open to play ANY class.

@henrymonroy9533

7 жыл бұрын

I tend to prefer DPS, but that is subject to whim.

@henrymonroy9533

7 жыл бұрын

I currently have a lvl 43 WHM on the Lamia NA server. So , as I stated before....I PREFER DPS, but I sometimes try new things as is evident from leveling a WHM as my first.

I think WHM should get Reraise/Arise (Pre-cast Raise Buff) OR Esunaga (Aoe Cleanse) as some raid utility.

@keiichimorisato98

8 жыл бұрын

that would be great, perhaps they will in a future update or expansion.

@DarkShadows59

8 жыл бұрын

I like the idea of an AoE cleanse or even a single target full cleanse, but Reraise would be far too busted. All 3 tanks already have an ability to serve a similar role anyway. Besides, if you know mechanics and tanks don't then you can get a swift Raise off before their body hits the ground. Yes, I've had to do that before. No, it's not fun having to keep doing it.

@Nuisance_Bear

8 жыл бұрын

+DarkShadows59 an aoe cleanse would be kind of busted too, that's literally what one of Selene's skills is.

@Nuisance_Bear

8 жыл бұрын

+DarkShadows59 an aoe cleanse would be kind of busted too, that's literally what one of Selene's skills is.

@dannywhite2489

7 жыл бұрын

Reraise wouldn't be broken, it can be used like wow's warlock's soul stone, so basically it has a long CD (10 min) and can only place it on one ally (or yourself) and you can't apply it during combat.

hey Mr. Happy you may wanna update these with the expansion coming up!

Urgh, comparing the three healers just seems so wrong, though I understand the urge to compete who is the best. But there is none, really. It all depends on the situation. It's all just my personal opinion so please be gentle, heh. I divide the three as follow: WHM -> AOE healer SCH -> tank healer (as in their focus is in healing the tank) AST -> swift healer Especially in a 4 man dungeon the SCH is the way to go. Well played the tank will hardly get any damage while you can do almost as much damage as a pre-heavensward SMN. For end game content I experienced a WHM + AST combo to be the most reliable. While the WHM focuses on keeping the party alive the AST shields the tank instantly in a time of need and is able to heal both tanks with synergy. Truth be told, I main AST so I'll share my experience as I learned to master that job. In "A Realm Reborn" my main was SCH so maybe that's why I like Nocturnal a bit more. Either way, at first the RNG card system was reaaaally frustrating and yea, I almost forgot to heal while figuring out what the hell to do with my cards. I got better with time managing both at the same time. At some point you just get a feeling for using your cards to the fullest. And there really is no totally useless card. Sure, depending on the situation another card could be more efficient right now but every boost will help if used correctly. Ah, I wont forget to mention my opinion on what the most suitable secondary stats there are for an AST. I stick with crit AND determination. yea, both. A crit shield comming from an AST isn't as strong as one from a SCH but combined with a high determination harmonic orbis (I hope that is the right translation) will deal an immense amount of healing and a realiable 130% shield in a blink of an eye. Piety isn't as much needed. At least I had never any problems with managing my mana. Spellspeed for an AST is really useless and a totally non-issue. With instant heals/shields, lightning speed and synergy you can heal real quick (and with high crit and determination even a huuuuge amount) without worrying about spellspeed. The real downside (which surprisingly nobody mentioned before) of an AST is the damn small range of his AOE healing casts. So you always have to pay extra attention where to stay to hit every party member (e.g. with an AOE shield). I know, all of that sounds like I'm praising the AST to much but I'm just still feeling like to make some effort to wipe out the rather bad reputation the AST still has. That said, in my opinion, the WHM is playable more casually while you have to master a SCH to stand your ground. Same goes for the AST. He can and probably will suck in the hands of a casual player but if you take some effort in fully understanding and mastering his abilitys... the AST and his almost insane card buffs will become something you won't miss in your raid party anymore.

@ibslick

7 жыл бұрын

But scholar heals and shields are more reliable. AST is about RNG and sch is straight up. I play both, at 60, and i prefer scholar. SCH WHM group is the best team for healing during raids.

@blackyraypatrick9041

7 жыл бұрын

but i extremly hate getting into a group with 2 scholars. Im playing scholar, and often list solo. Its so hard for me to keep the Team alife without a ast or whm on my site...

Great video. Really enjoyed all the information that I got from it for SCH mostly. Because now I understand more what they are able to do when I pair with them. That said, I love WHM and don't mind the lack of raid utility, we are powerhouse healers and I think that is what we are made for more then anything else. You want the big heal guns? WHM has them! And having such control over my heals is great, I couldn't give that to a fairy to manage. I think managing MP on WHM is part of the job mastery, and fun also. Crazy big heals and managing MP? Crazy times! AST is going to become my 2nd healing job and even though it is still rather low in level I love it. It feels like WHM, with pretty heals, some neat barrier tricks and cards! I enjoy the rng factor in the cards, because it makes me play it based on the situation. I have to work with what I have and have no safety net, I'm looking at you sch fairy. and controlling all that is great. Maybe I am a bit of a control freak, but I like being sure I can toss out the big cures when needed to keep my party alive.

This is definitely a well put together video, though I might point out that AST has one advantage in raids that the other two definitely don't; more raising capability. Even when both healers have used their Swiftcast, AST can pop Lightspeed and throw out an Ascend that takes maybe the time of a Protect! And aside from the patch fix of Shuffle/Redraw, that's the only thing I really have to mention. 8]

As a WHM, I think the SCH has a lot of really cool abilities.

@blackyraypatrick9041

7 жыл бұрын

it really has. I'm scholar and I'm allways cheering if I get a WHM on my Team, because you've got really cool bursts ;-)

@daric_

7 жыл бұрын

Patrick Seitz I have level 60 of both WHM and AST. I actually really liked AST and switched to that around January of this year. I stopped playing FFXIV for a while, and now I hear that AST has had some really good buffs. I'm fine if other people like AST now; I really liked the play style of the heals and cards. It's my favorite class by far in terms of play style. :)

Melee dps next please! Really looking forward to the dps comparison between all the classes either way

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

+3TSUNAMI MNK > NIN > DRG | Single Target DRG > NIN > MNK | AoE NIN > DRG =/= MNK | Support BRD > MCH | Aoe MCH > BRD | MP/TP regens idk about BLM or SMN, i haven't tried their HW skills

As someone who mained sch for the entirety of ARR, i have to say ast's nocturnal sect is definitely not underwhelming at all. Nocturnal aspected benefic mitigates more than a non-crit adlo and has no cast-time, making it much stronger in fights involving rapid damage, synastry + nocturnal makes ast's potencies almost rival a divine seal whm's, plus it lasts longer and essentially allows dual-healing for a time like a sch and pet. Ewer and spire are arguably more useful in a raid setting, it means the brd/mch doesnt have to lose their dps to help others out, and an aoe balance easily covers ast's SLIGHTLY weaker dmg output amongst the 3 healers. The things people complain about ast make it very evident that they've hardly even looked at its capabilities before writing it off

@azshfayd6097

8 жыл бұрын

And then theres ast's overpowered essential dignity which, under the right conditions, can rival a pld's clemency at no cost other than a 40 second cd. Collective unconcious, since being buff mitigates 10% dmg (and unlike shields, DOES stack with sacred soil), and also applies a constantly refreshing regen effect (which is affected by nocturnals 5% potency buff) for as long as it is sustained. Another thing people have barely touched on is ast's disable. Slightly weaker than virus, but it has a shorter cd, and can be constantly spammed without the target becoming immune to it for a minute

Which has the least amount of turrety-ness? I can't stand not being able to cast something just because I have to move a few steps.

Bahahaha, I got an ad for Legion Expansion for this video.

@closotezuka

7 жыл бұрын

i mean yeah, its a video on an mmo. lots of people play multiple ones and arent loyal to just one

I would love to see this analysis now.

imo AST is just really fun to play, even if its not the best

How do you get the third vertical skill bar? I am new to this game and I have found the hud layout button, but there's a lot going on when it's pulled up but I am definitely seeing a need for it. Thanks in advance. Side note, choosing a healer is going to be a hard choice for me because scholar looks REALLY fun but I see the straight forwardness of the white mage. As far as Astro is concerned, that would absolutely be my choice if I had the expansion.

@Eitipie

8 жыл бұрын

somewhere there should be an option to hide/show bars, that you highlight. you can also resize hud, but I forgot the button. i made party and skill bars smaller, so they dont obscure my vision

@constancemote3718

8 жыл бұрын

Thanks Masta530 I'll give that a try

@Eitipie

8 жыл бұрын

Constance Mote I just checked in game. in character configuration you can turn hotbar display on/off and then in hud layout move and resize it

@constancemote3718

8 жыл бұрын

Oh awesome, thanks! Got it now:)

I need some advice, I'm new to the game and I want to pick up a healing class and maybe a tank and Dps, I don't know if I should pick WM or Astro (I was planning on scholar, but I don't think it will work out since I play the PC version with a controller and I do that because of some physical limitation)

@SpenzOT

8 жыл бұрын

+ZelkovaHack If anything the scholar is the easiest to play with a controller, since not all of your healing is going to be purely up to you. However, all three healing classes at endgame can be a complex mess of juggling skills and priorities, so if you are worried about that, none of the healing classes will offer an optimal choice in the case of simplicity. The best part about the scholar in my opinion is that is branches off of the arcanist, which is the only class that has 2 jobs attached to it. This means you can level a scholar healer and a summoner dps at the exact same time, though you still need to gear them separately. This is all my opinion though.

@ZelkovaHack

8 жыл бұрын

+SpenzOT the thing is that worries me is the pet "juggling"

I feel like the AST's dps is so much lower because they are able to extend their strength increasing party buffs for so long. So in the end the other party members make up for the AST's lack of dps. So long as you draw the right cards that is.

One thing I'd like to mention about the last bit, sure stacking all the HoTs on the tank and then going ham on DPS is fun, but it's no less fun to do so as Astro, and if you can get a card the tank benefits from added in and then use Time Dilation for max effect will make these HoTs last for a loooong while. (This also happens to be pretty MP efficient. I was getting 30 seconds of 2k HP per HoT tick on my tank in the Vault. It's probably even more at 60, and you can get an extra tick out of it too, because of Celestial Opposition.)

I really appreciate cramming so much info into one video that's not overwhelmingly long, but that's because you're talking SO FREAKIN' FAST xD RPG jargon in every other word, I got a bit lost, but thx!

im currently a white mage should I do a tank class coughmaraudercough to have high hp?

Dear Mr Happy, I need to ask... I've just unlocked both SCH and WHM, but I've been spending all my attribute points with ARC on Mind, but now I see that you've named Clerical Stance as a must skill to inherit from CNJ. Does this mean that I'd have been better off investing into INT, so that INT would be my highest stat, and after clerical stance, it'd be far higher anyway?

@Eorzat

7 жыл бұрын

Idk of you received an answer to this yet, but no, never invest INT into a healer. The way Cleric Stance works is that it swaps MIND and INT with each other. So, you'll have less MIND and more INT afterwards. Ideally, you don't want to heal in Cleric Stance since your MIND will be so low, so it'd be far more effective to have your attribute points put into MIND to begin with. Thus, better healing with Cleric Stance off and more DPS with Cleric Stance on. Also, I don't think it's even possible for your INT to be significantly higher than your MIND anyways with the way that healer gear is set up. With ARC specifically though, I've heard of people that casually play both Summoner and Scholar putting half of their points each into INT and MIND, so that may be an option; but, for pure healing, prioritize MIND over INT.

@FarelForever

7 жыл бұрын

***** I certainly appreciate the response :) I did since unlock SCH and noticed, that even in the default state, SCH has higher MND than INT, so it really only pays to invest in MND, since I want to be a pure healer. None the less, I'm very grateful for the response :)

@blackyraypatrick9041

7 жыл бұрын

especially you shouldn't forget cleric stance doesn't just swap your attributes. And active cleric stance reduces you heal by 20% (and increases dmg by 10%) what makes it unlogically to focus on int in any case.

@FarelForever

7 жыл бұрын

Patrick Seitz Thank you :) this certainly helps

I'm certainly not intending any debate, but I personally enjoy SCH the most, just as a fun class. Using Eos, with her healing buff, an AoE regen, and your own Rouse ability to increase her healing potency, you don't have to even leave Cleric Stance to heal and can keep DPSing. Add to that great mitigation skills and the very rewarding feeling of seeing your Adlo crit, then using Deployment Tactics to give that to party members near the tank. On top of that, knowing a big hit is coming and including what I just mentioned with a Stoneskin tank and possibly your AoE Shield if it's warranted plus Eos' magic shield if used right, the mitigated damage feels great. And don't forget the often left out Virus at the right attack! Then just pop Eos' regen with a Succor/Adlo on tank, and you're back on DPS again. I personally feel it has a stronger learning curve than the other two healers by quite a bit. 50 levels of essentially DPS spells through Arcanist, yet not relying on your fairy to always do everything for you, knowing when to get out of CS for quick heals, when/where/why to use 5 Aetherflow abilities with just 3 stacks, fairy micro-management/positioning, not neglecting often forgotten moves like Virus/E4E/Rouse/Any pet spell, etc...But once you've got it down, it feels super smooth and is just loads of fun. One of the most fun and engaging jobs in the entire game IMHO actually.

I love how you brought up the actual enjoyment of going full rape mode with White Mage. It's always so much fun to get the tank hotted up, go into Cleric, use a swift cast aero 3, then use Presence of Mind and holy spam. One thing I found that makes that even more enjoyable is to use Assize while in cleric stance...it doesn't heal for much, but it can hit for over 3-4k easily and if you're spamming holy, popping shroud in the middle of the spam and such, it all typically works out in the end. I have scholar at 60, but I'll be honest, I rarely use it unless we are running something as an FC group and the other healer is a white mage that I can trust and we want the damage mitigation (sometimes two WHM can stack so much healing power, that it makes things stupid easy, especially in like A4...double regen can counter Nisi like it's nothing). Getting that massive crit Ad, is awesome, but I would still rather have the healing power of White Mage as well, since I have managing my MP down to a fine science (thus, I almost never run out unless something has gone horribly sideways) and have since CT came around.

great videos thanks

Can I create only one character and test all 3 healers on it in ff14? Which one healer is better for pvp?

hitting a war with adloq crit just before a raid stack then using deployment tactics along with a sacred ground is one of the most satisfying moves to pull off... all those zeroes.. sooo damn sweet

Just thought I'd mention a little hiccup you did. Scholar's Deployment tactics spreads BOTH eye for an eye AND the shield from Ale/Succor. Just thought I'd mention that :)

wish there was updated versions of these, so much has changed in 2 years

@Fr3akyBeelie

6 жыл бұрын

Actually no, basically nothing about this has changed at all. What do you mean?

when I started I mained sch and I loved it but I had heart set on whm and I have to say sch's are pretty good at bringing back the party with Lustrate but I switched because I felt like I was depending on eos to much I feel whm is more involved somehow cause you have to actually pay attention where with eos if you make. a mistake she can kind of put a band aid over it and tell you to be more careful next time

Deployment tactics spreads both eye for an eye and the shield to near by party members. i try to cast eye for an eye on the tank then cast adlo on the tank and then spread it all right at the start of a fight.

Can you make another one for stormblood?

I say WHM for serious play AST for fun SCH for I'm too lazy to heal

@duncanng3

7 жыл бұрын

Y U N G NoKoke I feel like going for Scholar. It is said that white mage will have mp problem if mp is not managed properly and if the whm keep overheal. Astrologian have the rng effects on the cards. So scholar is the best? In addition to having aetherflow, it also deals nice damage for a healer.

@banggugyangu

7 жыл бұрын

Duncan Ng as a career SCH, I can't properly describe how much I enjoy the job. even during end-game content, I regularly find myself putting the pet where it needs to be and DDing with broil (or spreading my dots for AOE). When you level SCH, you will likely not have to switch out of cleric's until level 50. Dungeons under 50 are easily managed by the pet on AI healing so you can help move the dungeon along by contributing a respectable amount of damage. keep in mind, if you are going to dump all your dots on something, it will need 4 ticks at full dots to equal the broil casts you COULD have done if it is a single target. (if the mob would die before 4 ticks of ALL your dots, just spam broil instead). I have been leveling AST recently and enjoying it, and I can see it's utility very well alongside it's ability to synergize with ANY healer very easily (2 WHMs don't synergize together and 2 SCHs don't either), but SCH still is just so much fun to play.

@banggugyangu

7 жыл бұрын

Duncan Ng one thing I'll say, first cross class for SCH can easily be cleric's, to contribute to damage before 20. pretty has no trouble healing at those levels without protection.

@jeremyhall2727

7 жыл бұрын

TheGodOfEPICNESS i like SCH the most

@mewsagi4055

7 жыл бұрын

I've run with plenty of WHM who do not heal effectively. I think it all boils down to how well the person utilizes their class. You can have monster heals from all three if done right.

another skills worth mentioning for AST is, combust n combust II never missed, makes a consistent dps throughout the fight..

I main WHM and I think I will for as long as I keep playing the game. I don't see myself doing any other class, despite hating the glamour options and running out of MP a lot. I feel that I would get too frustrated with the other two healing classes. Even though I was told I would get very frustrated with being a WHM. I might not be the best with randoms (mostly because they do expect so much out of me), but with my free company, I feel more at ease and do so much better. They make playing my class so much more enjoyable. If I didn't crack under pressure as easily as I do, I wouldn't mind trying out the other classes. But that is not the case. I don't mind it, though. I like my class and wouldn't trade it.

Also if done right, Astro regen stack on a tank can easily go up to 3k+++ per second. If stacked with bola 10%/15% and Collective Unconscious 10% reduction and time dilation, the buff will last so long that you can virtually just afk. Afk is good because it helps save mana also or you can dps.

im just here to point this out, even tho mrhappy said you spread the barrier or eye for an eye, you can spread them both at the same time

was hoping he would say how synastry can be used as the best single target healing buff in the game right now since the heal on its target will still get the 40% heal

for anyone wondering about sch. no you really don't need to micromanage the pet just place near tank . there your done all micromanaging you need

can you make an updated video for the new patch? I enjoy your videos

@BlindlyZack

8 жыл бұрын

+Maxwell Paul loser

@InfamousMaximus

8 жыл бұрын

+BlindlyZack Hmm....

I really enjoy my Sch but I'm afraid of micro managing my pet. Is it really difficult? I've played without really managing my pet much, but I haven't done any end game raid content. Just high level dungeons.

@richieQM

8 жыл бұрын

+Gary Santos its easy cuz u only need to worry bout using 2 skills from it thrid skill is optional but sometimes useful

@Nuisance_Bear

8 жыл бұрын

It might feel a bit overwhelming at first, but other than the skills themselves, you really only need two command keys: move and heel. And set it to obey, lol. I tend to do most of my faerie microing during my casts. You can't move (or do anything else) while you're spamming broil anyway.

I actually have Astro > Sch > WHM. BUT love WHM and prefer to always have one. AST, I main it, it is so great! How I start in 4 man dungeons: Cards, Potency Increase Buff> cast DEF buff on Tank or DMG/Speed buff on DPS> Tank pulls mob > I cast AOE Regen then Single Regen > > Extend > AOE STUN > Cleric Stance > SPAM Gravity >Cleric Stance I actually prefer Gravity over Holy because I can spam the AOE from a distance and not be in melee distance.

With having all three on a pretty high level, WHM and SCH 60 and AST 55, I can say, that I enjoy WHM the most out of them all. I played SCH for a while, but it didnt feel right for me. What SCH definitly did for me though is make me more comfortable with Cleric Stance, so I recommened people, that have problems with that to try out SCH, it really helps a lot.

What deity is best for WM ?

So, SCH would probably be the best healer for higher ping players? With it creating shields and all?

i agree with you on AST being 3rd, though i do play that the most. What i dont like about that job is what i think it doesnt have, and quoting another, is "it's own identity". im not refering to the cards, im refering to their healing. They "borrow" their skills from the other two jobs. i kinda wish it had it's own unique way of healing. Though i say that, what is there other than regen and barriers?

@Amraston

8 жыл бұрын

+TamamoNoMae2nd Since ASTs are pretty time-mage-esque there were a couple of suggestions along the line of healing received damage back over time. Like you give the tank a 5sec buff, he receives in these 5 sec 5000dmg and than gets a HoT which heal him for 5000 over the course of 10sec or something. I kinda like the idea, but thats hard to balance. Another idea was making the nocturnal-influenced skills JUST very strong barriers without healing.

I like Ast in Noct due to the fact its a constant 130% shield to the heal and it give me more breathing room after a tank buster :D

I wonder if White Mage is more high pressure than duo-ing endgame dungeons as a Priest in Tera. If not, I won't have a problem. Stoked to finally try this game for real.

scholar 4 life :3 started as whm. but scholar blew me away. i'm so in love with that job

I absolutely love WHM. The heals feel great, and bringing the tanks back from the brink and getting through some hard content is the best. Also going in and going ham with Holy and that "Ding" is just sooo satisfying. I've never been one for pets in MMOs and also the Scholar doesn't feel as impactful. I know it's actually as/more, but for me, it doesn't feel as impactful. Haven't played since before Heavenward so I don't know about Astrologion. Looks/sounds neat, but it doesn't have a chance at taking me from WHM.

ah ive waited for this one. i wanted to pick up a healer , notably astro cause the weapon looks cool, but like i dunno if i should just do conj considering i would need the stoneskin anyway

MrHappy, please do job abilities in the day instead of night. They can be hard to see well.

Can we get one for 4.0?

still debating if i wanna try astro when i get up there in lvls my only concern is i have shitty RNG for the most part =/ but still looks awsome

I was looking for a job that's equal support and equal attacking. I thought I'd get that satisfaction from bard but I realize now that attacking is mostly what bard does (not that the songs are bad bc they're not). Since I found scholar its been my favorite healing with dps class and I have lots of fun with it

I swear, the Jobs Mr. Happy picks in these showdowns are always the ones who's storylines I like the least.

Next versus video please!

I totally agree that SCH is a very well build job. I love my SCH, because it is just so good at healing and dps at the same time. But what really sets it apart is the mastery you mentioned. I get bored when playing a WHM so I am glad that I accepted the challenge of being a SCH. Never regretted switching from BLM to SCH for my static.

white mage is my all time fav. when i play astro i just do not feel confident at all >,< as for schollar i never liked to rely on pets to do my work.

you failed to mention how AST and WHM have the exact same healing potencies on almost all of their spells, save a few HOTS. and only by a small amount. I feel AST should be ranked higher. They bring so much more than just healing. support. burst heals. they're WHMs with cards.

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

+TheIceLurker very true, but WHM has better dots and aoes for dmg more HoT support with Asylum now AST is far more versatile tho being able to adjust to the situation in different ways bring even more raid utility

@MinkyMikaMeow

8 жыл бұрын

+Jon Idoncair Jack of all master of none.

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

MinkyMikaMeow yea AST is the "red mage" of healing pretty much

Mrhappy1227, at 15:00 You said "triple divine seal HoTs" and listed Regen, Medica 2, and Asylum, but Divine Seal has no effect on Asylum as it's an ability and Divine Seal only works on spells.

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

+Brad Young thank you =X=

I feel like Astrologian, in comparison to the other two jobs, is kind of more of a speed-based healer (outside of the card gimmick)? Like, it has lots of tools that help with mobility and that reduce or eliminate casting time, whereas White Mage and Scholar can only either find an opportunity to sit still for a couple of seconds or use a spell that either has a hefty cool-down or limited ammunition. Essential Dignity in particular, in my experience, really sets it apart from the play style of the other two because its cool down is a very lenient forty seconds for a potentially MASSIVE, instant output, so it can be used fairly liberally. Nocturnal Stance does fall short of the Scholar's potential for damage mitigation, but it does have the major advantage of an instant-cast shield. (Again, speed and mobility) For cons, I agree with Mr. Happy, and would also add that, in my experience, MP management is more difficult with Astrologian than with other jobs. It's normal heals are slightly less expensive than the White Mage's, but a lot of the class' important tools are tied into very expensive spells, and it only has one CONSISTENT ability for regenerating MP. Learning to rely more on the free Essential Dignity does help a bit with this, but not as much as the comprehensive, conservation tools of the White Mage or the selective resource management of the Scholar. (There is also the possibility of drawing multiple Ewer cards, but that's based on probability, and I still count it as a con because that card otherwise could be put to better use by expanding a good buff in eight-player content.) Just in case anyone was curious for another perspective.

@X-Cactus

8 жыл бұрын

+Jason Rigsby That was very helpful, thank you. :-)

@akatsuki20113

8 жыл бұрын

Mp management is difficult, lol um I main astrologian and I've never had a problem with mp since now that you are able to use luminiferous aether and cast celestial opposition to grant you a five second increase on luminiferous aether I really don't see the problem with mp management the only reason I would switch from Astro to white is because I love the animations of aero 3 and holy that's the only reason I would switch to white other than that I love Astro.

As a WHM...I ain't even mad. He's totally right on his assessment, SCH is just so much better built for various functions in raids. SCH provides SO much more versatility to match the situation. I just can't quit WHM though, because when I go in as a healer I'm there to HEAL. Thank you for this, Mr. Happy...my WHM is the only max level healer I have (the other two being in the high 30s at this point) and it's really nice to see objective comparisons between the 3 jobs at max level.

will you do a bard vs Mch or maybe summoner vs blm

@HyouVizer

8 жыл бұрын

+Olympic Llama BRD > MCH | AoE dps MCH > BRD | MP/TP regens idk about BLM or SMN tbh i haven't played with their HW skills tbh

@junkiexl86

8 жыл бұрын

+Olympic Llama MCH is at the bottom of the food chain right now according to the latest DPS parse tables from Alex/Alex Savage and lvl 60 dungeons. MCH is actually being out DPS'd by WHM's in some spots. Hopefully 3.1 will bring them more up to par, but as of right now BRD is showboating over MCH, by quite a margin.

@lenlimbo

8 жыл бұрын

+Shawn Elliott That's not a fair comparisson. WHM can out DPS many DPS classes in the right circunstances. I have pulled 1800+ dps in certains pulls, and I even out DPS'd a BLM in said pulls once or twice with the law weapon while said BLM has the eso weapon (given, it was because I managed to kill certain mobs so he wasted a cast on nothing, but that's still a crazy amount of aoe damage). In fact, the only class I haven't manage to out dps yet in said pulls is the now-a-days master of aoe damage, the SMN. Also, the MCH actually beats the BRD in single target dps, and it's better at regenerating the TP/MP of their party members. I'd say that, in a heavily physical party, the MCH is the favored ranged suport, while in a heavily magical one, the BRD is better. In a mixed one... maybe the BRD is the better one... by a slim margin. Foe's Requiem is brutal.

@junkiexl86

8 жыл бұрын

lenlimbo If a WHM is out DPS'ing a BLM, well then that BLM is shitty. Period. Each class has it's ups and down on a per pull basis, hence why parses are compiled after a run, not per pull. MCH is indeed at the bottom of the food chain in every single parse spreadsheet I've seen to date, with the latest compiled 3 days ago. Every one knows MCH needs some love, some just don't want to accept it. I wouldn't of claimed its at the bottom, if every since parse didn't say that. EDIT: According to the latest parse, MCH is being out DPS'd in Alex Savage by WAR and about equal with DRK....tank classes, though WAR I understand, being tied with DRK? No.

@lenlimbo

8 жыл бұрын

+Shawn Elliott As I said, the reason why I outdps'd that blm in that pull (to give more details, the big pull after the minotaur in fractal) is that I interrupted the blm casts by killing the enemies just before he could finish his spells, so I got a solid 1800+ dps while he got a 1700+. When I don't do that, I've seen him do a consistent 2200+ to 2400+ dps in the same pull, and I've yet to manage to outdps him as a healer in any serious parse (I don't have any hope of actually pulling that). I do have outdps'd some other dps in duty finder, yeah, but I agree with you, they were kind of shitty. I also have outdps'd some dps in duty finder AS A PALADIN. My point is that, with the law weapon, a WHM can do 1800+ dps in certain spots, so it's hardly a fair comparisson, unless you give another situation where it had happened that doesn't involve a lot of mobs soon to be holied, aero 3'd and assized to dead. Also, in most savage parses, the problem the mch has in comparison with the brd (or any other job) when it comes to dps is that the bard has more powerful aoes. Against a single enemy, or against dummies, I've seen mch pull 1300+ dps. I agree, though, that the mch would need some love when it comes to aoes, although it isn't the only job that has that problem.

I'm not sure if anyone has said it but it should be noted that a Nocturnal Aspected Helios is actually quite better than Succor. They have the same healing potency for one. Succor does not have the same crit feature Adloquium has for two. And finally, should an AST and a SCH be equally geared Aspected Helios will hit for a higher amount due to Nocturnal Sect's increased healing done by 5%. This makes AST the better option for group-wide shielding and SCH the better option for single-target shielding.

@Mrhappy1227

8 жыл бұрын

+Namingway except in the case for raid-wide high damage shielding, in which case deployment wins. Also worth mentioning since a lot of ASTs make a point about it, is the reduced range of aspected helios.

@redpandasays

8 жыл бұрын

+Mrhappy1227 Also worth mentioning is the even shorter range Deployment Tactics has compared to Aspected Helios. It also takes a little longer to set up DT as you need to wait a second before you use it or else it doesn't take effect (same issue as the one getting Bio to Bane) and it can't be used on yourself so you need to make sure your target doesn't feel like running away mid-process. So for consistency's sake and ease of use AH should perform best in the average group.

@Mrhappy1227

8 жыл бұрын

+Namingway Well if you're using Deployment, you're already organizing it with the group to stack together so the range is rarely an issue. Helio works that way as well most of time, but during certain fights the lost range can be a bit tedious, A1S, 3 and 4S come to mind during non-stack parts.. Like I said was referring largely to burst mitigation

@SmokinSNYP3R

8 жыл бұрын

when a sch uses adloq or succur and it crits.... it doubles the barrier. just like happy said "a 4k adloq crit means the next 8k damage is negated" any and every single time I land it I switch strait over to cleric stance and dish out some punishment ;)

@redpandasays

8 жыл бұрын

Devils Isle Gaming Succor does not have that feature. Just Adloquium.

I prefer Astrologian because of its versatility and the fun/interesting mechanic of the card-drawing system because WHM can sometimes get a little boring to play and SCH is a little too much for me to play efficiently. They also buffed AST recently just doubling potency on stat-buff cards and reducing cool downs so now you can literally redraw cards with every draw. Overall it feels like AST has a lot more control and power now.

@blackyraypatrick9041

7 жыл бұрын

yea I don't like playing a druid. Its a bit Boring to play him, because you can not really use his strong spells, without loosing to much mana. vita vita vita vitra vita vita vita .... wow thats WHM Gameplay The Scholar need a lot of skill to be strong, and I think even if you master him, he is a bit weaker than a WHM, because of his lower Healing potential, but he can handle also extremly long and hard fights without loosing his mana, what makes him to a perfect second healer, and DD The Astrologian is really fun to play, i love him and his cards are supporting the Team really well. Its a bit like a healing druid.

@deadxalice

7 жыл бұрын

Patrick Seitz are there druids in this game?? Lol

@polydipsiac

7 жыл бұрын

deadxalice I think he means conjurer.

@blackyraypatrick9041

7 жыл бұрын

jea seems to be a 'false friend' in our language.

I haven't played astro all that much, especially, post-patch astro, but I definitely agree with the ranking. WHM will always be my #1 but that's just because I like brute force healing. The MP management issue was alleviated to some degree (now being a normal class weakness instead of a crutch). But the raid utility is what gives the scholar it's power. Being able to dps and "infinitely heal" through a pet are great perks. Again rare mp issues.And the fact that you can set up some awesome macros to really push the class beyond it's limits leads to a more enjoyable experience. However, I still like the fact that because the white mage has such strong healing it has a lot of "oh shit" damage control moments, especially considering divine sealing every minute. The two classes are so well balanced and close that I really think their utility comes down to a matter of preference, what's most important to you and what is most important to your party. I think we see a lot more of that in heavensward which I can appreciate. For example, I feel as though astro and dark knight synergize well because the astro can cover some of the resource management issues of the DK.

I'm a main White Mage but so far I enjoy Astro a lot more O.o The main reason I didn't want to switch to Scholar is it's difficulty but I've only been actively playing for 2 months(got to level 23 before that) and still not level 60 so I would probably do something about my main class later on...

If I enjoyed red mage in ffxi, what job should I go with in ffxiv?

@chadresterhouse481

8 жыл бұрын

There's really nothing like RDM from FFXI. Jobs are more focused on one role rather than being useful in different situations. I played RDM in FFXI and I'd have to say maybe Arcanist would be the closest choice. Leveling Arcanist levels both your Scholar (heals) and Summoner (dps), so you can switch between the two depending on how you want to play. And it's all about the DoTs which RDM did a lot of in FFXI.

I love AST the most as the card draw/spread/... stuff is really cool. The random element is a plus in my opinion as it would be boring to always use the same cards. Plus other cards are used to buffs the ones that you really want so.... I think AST don't get the love they deserve, yes the class needs a bit of tuning but it is still new and things will come together in time.

So how does one "Micro-manage" the faerie on Scholar?

@thedri1532

7 жыл бұрын

it's basically controlling the fairy abilities whi k e using your own

@blackyraypatrick9041

7 жыл бұрын

i let her do her own job atm. she focuses on the one with less hp, and lets me focus on the tank, would the tank loose to much hp whould she heal him, so she is allways doing the things, I would let her do. The only think I do is sending her to different positions and i do this with a button on my mouse (for example to dodge aoes or get in aoe range of my members)

You have no idea how to use cards lol. If balance is the only card of "Value" then you have a lot to learn to play astro is savage... I was able to clear A1 and A2 pre-buff just fine with no issues... A spear in an opening combo can reduce the Recast time by a whopping 30%. Nearly 1/3 of the recast time. A bole is extremely helpful for tight situations, such as tank busters or massive AoE damaging abilities. Balance is actually more worth the empowered if you have the time buff. So the 80 Seconds isnt as worth it, depending on where theyre at skill wise. Arrow is an amazing card, despite always hearing you complain about it the astro could even hold a spire for you, TP solved. Ewer is great if the other healer is lackluster. Prebuff it was straight broken on DrKs. You undervalue the Astro so hard MrHappy... we have 3 HoT's and a damage reduction. I know 3rd seems to be everyones place for Astro because nobody seems to notice how good they really are, even without the healing. with a spread Bole you could potentially reduce party wide damage by 15% without any other reductions from another class. Synergy is a god send as sometimes mistakes are made on the DPS side with AoE's, heal them right up whilst also healing the tank, or cast it on the tank or Whomever and heal more. We're not as weak as everyone seems to believe we are. And even without the cards we can heal with the best of them. a perma party HoT and a single target HoT that heals for about 1.4k every tick is pretty nice. About 1.8k healing everytime they tick total. Mana problems are virtually nonexistent if you know what youre doing. Our DpS is low, sure. But your DPS should be clearing the check on their own without having their hands held by the healer. Besides, you don't need both healers DPS'ing ;P

@shiroehirigami6477

8 жыл бұрын

+Shiroe Hirigami Oh, and Disable is a timed 10% now instead of next action. very useful as well.

@sirencall11

8 жыл бұрын

I have to agree with you 100% one of the main problems with people giving ast a hard time is that they don't really understand how to use the cards they find everything useless unless it's balance which is just not true

@TamamoNoMae2nd

8 жыл бұрын

I agree with you as well. ALL of the cards are nice buffs. though that rng elememt is VERY fustrating.

@yoshreimi

8 жыл бұрын

Personally The Bole is very underrated. I love giving a 25% defense cooldown to a tank for 45 seconds, cant do that with another healer and what u need is spread, the right card and being creative

@TamamoNoMae2nd

8 жыл бұрын

+yoshreimi wait, doesnt 150% + mean the potency just increased to 15%? Did it really increase to 25%?

thank you

1-whm. 2-sch 3-ast for me 😏

*Waiting for the SB version fo this*

Anyone know how to go from being sch to ast? I've never been a whm.

@Solaire-8

8 жыл бұрын

+Kali Takumi the AST job is in Ishgard. You need the Heavensward expansion and have passed the lvl 50 vanilla content before getting there

@KaliTakumi

8 жыл бұрын

***** no, I mean how do I adjust the way I heal

@Solaire-8

8 жыл бұрын

Kali Takumi ah! sorry i misread that. Sorry i have no advice on that. My only healing job is SCH

@richieQM

8 жыл бұрын

+Kali Takumi u dont really need to adjust i pretty mush heal the same way just have to add cards into rotation whenever u get the chance and ur solid

I am a disgruntled BRD from 2.x who found a new home in AST. The job's biggest strength that you barely touched on is its mobility. Aspected Benefic, Essential Dignity, Lightspeed... Raid AOE mechanics don't stop us healing while we run around, just like how bards used to be able to dodge and shoot. Proper use of shuffle and spread also helps manage the RNG on cards and keep the buffs rolling. The Arrow and Balance, buffed by the Ewer, Spire or Spear (shuffle the Bole) make up for those personal DPS shortcomings. The job feels more like a true healer. Also, don't write off Nocturnal. Contrary to popular perceptions, Nocturnal with a WHM is better than Diurnal with a WHM because the HOTs are otherwise excessive. Instant shields are more powerful than many give them credit for.

I just started playing this game today (;

I must say I agree with everything that was said. I have all three healers to 50+, but as for gameplay I love my Astrologian. I do find my Scholar to be the most reliable for me. As for beginning healers I always suggest the White Mage. Their healing is great, they have decent damage as you have said, and they are a pretty straight forward job. I do hope they tend to buff the Noct sect for the Astrologian though, because It does feel really underwhelming in PvE. Maybe they could do it like the Scholars adloquium and double the shield from crits, and get rid of that 130% potency on Aspected Benefic. Anyway thanks for the Video I really enjoyed it. ^_^

I'm stuck on scholar or white mage that armor bubble can be helpful but the holy skill can be devastating

I dont know which class is technically best as im not a healer but the astrologian looks so much fun with its cards! My friend gives me card buffs and their soo good, extra attack power, more defence, ect

People need to give healers and tanks way more respect! Both are taxing jobs which are not appreciated when done well and bitched at when people die regardless of whether it was their fault or not! I do think people need to learn more about how to play their classes though...

@ExireHG

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed! I've played DPS for the longest time but have just started tanking and healing. Tanking as your leveling up isn't so bad, but I swear I get heart palpitations on some content as healer. I enjoy Scholar the most so far, but it's definitely tough to be optimal. Anyway, getting out of my comfort zone and at least TRYING the other job roles has made me appreciate our tank and heal friends far more. I used to think, "Heal/Rez me healer!" But they've got so much going on, you're not necessarily a high priority, even if you're dead. Healers don't owe you a huge chunk of their MP because you fucked up on a mechanic. I'm heading toward rant levels, so I'll stop now haha. Point being, perspective bro. xD

@notahuman1993

7 жыл бұрын

ExireHG yes! I main a WHM and sometimes during the home stretch of trial or raid, I won't raise a DPS who has died more than three times (due to not dodging AOE, if it's my fault, we'll it's my fault). It's not cause they annoy me (though that is often the case lol), but because the MP/Swiftcast used on someone who dies often is better used to keep better players alive. Some players wonder why I leave them for dead, but if I raised them, the tank might die instead.

Celestial Opp also increases potions duriation. most people dont know :)