Meanwhile, I will be getting insta ques and making gil out of it.

@amichau

Ай бұрын

Exactly what I thought when I heard about it haha

@duskangel1952

Ай бұрын

100% true

@captainkio

Ай бұрын

absolutely lol

@MorbySA

Ай бұрын

It’ll be easier to find healer slots in PF as well.

@Argroh

Ай бұрын

yep, Leveling healers will be dead simple.

Meanwhile every time I play Healer it feels like I'm dragging my party's corpses across the finish line no matter how hard they try to die

@normalmighty

Ай бұрын

Right? Where are these competent df groups everyone is talking about where the tank uses mitigation properly and everyone stays out of the damage aoes

@ChaosDom69

Ай бұрын

As a dragoon I need to tank the floor ok Ps thanks for keeping us alive ❤😊

@Direwoof

Ай бұрын

@@normalmighty XD im a tank and I usually get healers who have like 1 APM not even kidding like they'll wait till anyone has 200 HP and cast a heal and not do a single point of dmg whole dungeon either D:

@clarioncaffeine

Ай бұрын

unironically my favorite healer moments are scraping people off the floor and practically solo healing the duty in 8 mans or alliance and actually using my full arsenal And I say that after healing almost all of TOP and DSR

@Maria_Erias

Ай бұрын

@@Direwoof These are usually my experiences with WHM healers whenever I tank. I check their search info, got all jobs to 90. Spent the time doing everything, but can't be bothered to learn how to do anything well.

After playing healer for a while, I personally think the biggest problem with healing is that healers are faced with two things, being in a party where everyone never gets hit aside from raid-wide damage, or in a group of new people who eat mechanics that happen to be 1-2 shots. It's either going to be boring as a healer, or absolutely catastrophic. What I hate as playing as the healer is that there's no in-between. Sometimes in dungeons, tanks will wall to wall and their hp will DROP like a rock, and here I am scrambling to try to keep them up, even if they're using mitigation skills. Then there are some tricky mechanics in dungeons where some players can eat two at once. Once a it happens to a dps who is unfamiliar with a fight, there's no coming out of that, they're instantly dead. Once your instacast is blown, you're having to figure out that time to keep your team up and an opportunity to revive party member. It can get nightmarish. But like I said, being healer is either boring, or extremely stressful.

@vukkulvar9769

Ай бұрын

the issue with having ONLY high damage spike and barely any sustained damage. Lower damage spike more often would make mistakes more recoverable unless already in a bad shape while giving more predictable things to heal all along the fight.

@JohnDCrafton

Ай бұрын

If a tank is using mit in a wall to wall and the healer is still struggling, that's most likely to be a healer skill check. Work on your healing rotation.

@yamchayaku

Ай бұрын

@@JohnDCrafton Or the tank is poorly geared. There are some tanks where their HP drops like a rock. This almost always happens in new expansions. Tanks overestimate themselves and get themselves nearly insta-killed

@TheFrantic5

Ай бұрын

If they add more sustained damage, I would also like for them to have an additional indicator of it in the UI. Nothing complicated, just dimming the section of the health bar that will be consumed by the dot would be gravy.

@cynthiahembree3957

Ай бұрын

This unfortunately is the nature of any support role in any game it isn’t a FF14 exclusive issue

Man, between everyone trying the two new dps jobs, and this circus show my healer queue speeds are going to be like something out of science fiction.

@NuchiAsaki

Ай бұрын

Queue is going to pop before you even think about logging in.

@mauythai4585

Ай бұрын

The que is gonna pop before the login.

@jonno.alexander

Ай бұрын

Enter/Hold/Withdraw options will replace the start/datacenter/config in launch menu. Automatic Healer job roulette at login!

@ridzz3458

Ай бұрын

tbh theres not nearly enough striking lol, healer queues gonna be the same

@normalmighty

Ай бұрын

@@ridzz3458 Healer queues are gonna be super short and there'll be a huge healer shortage, because there are 2 new dps jobs. Everyone was talking about how heavily in-demand healers are gonna be as soon as the jobs were announced, long before any healer strike was suggested. Now people are going to take the obvious healer shortage that we've all known was coming, and pretend it's al because of this random healer strike bs. Honestly, this is like the lala chair all over. Some random post on the forums which should have disappeared after a day or 2, but instead blew up to crazy proportions because so many people love to read and share drama.

"cleared dungeon without a healer" *has a rez-mage*

@Jeezes718

Ай бұрын

Rez mage and warrior, the most self-sustaining tank.

@Dndstories

Ай бұрын

Right?! tell me you don't play warrior without telling me you don't play warrior!

@seripah8852

Ай бұрын

That is still not a healer.

@Jeezes718

Ай бұрын

@@seripah8852 No, but it is someone who can duel cast both healing and raise.

@seripah8852

Ай бұрын

@@Jeezes718 Still not a healer. One can claim that "oh they had a dps with heals", but at the end of the day the content was cleared with a dps with heals and not a healer, whose main role is to heal. The point is the amount of sustain all the classes have and the lack of difficulty in the content makes healers feel irrelevant, and frankly that's a fair way for them to feel.

People pretending like Warrior wasn't always borderline unkillable

@scubarubanzaii

12 күн бұрын

My buddy and I have been no heal running dungeons for years.

As a tank main I appreciate my healers ❤

After all this we definitely need a summer beach vacation in dawntrail 😅

@yamchayaku

Ай бұрын

and enjoy some big fat tacos in the new world

The funny thing is healers WERE involved with rotations and cleric stance... Then people complained. So I'm putting this in "Gamers don't know what they want"

@katarh

Ай бұрын

SCH was "too complicated" so they nerfed it. AST became "fish for the best cards" so they nerfed it. (And now they're just straight up redoing it from scratch.)

@zydeox1221

Ай бұрын

I think the best explanation for this is that, you had a massive influx of new ppl in shb and endwalker. All of them can feel that healers are a bit boring when nothing dangerous is going on so they also hopped on the bandwagon. Those people in particular don't know much that healers used to be more entertaining but were nerfed due to being too hard and are now complaining that healers are boring or useless or whatever. So it's a situation where people from the past complained about it being too hard, but now the new people are also complaining that it is too easy.

@RedBeard26

Ай бұрын

I'm sure there's a portion that don't know what they want, but also, there's a lot of people with a lot of different wants and preferences

@Krosa_Kaine

Ай бұрын

What's interesting is that the whole issue with Cleric Stance being nerfed is just where we are now to a degree. Back then it was "Oh they can run in and stun lock AoE DPS burst so there isn't a need for actual healing" but now it's "Oh everyone has so much utility they don't need healing." At least back then healers had the ability to be an additional DPS instead of feeling like a wet noodle when they try to do anything but heal.

@ShaunFVG

Ай бұрын

Very much so. Smn was so fun in storm blood and shadowbringer. But people cried about it's rotation and recovery being hard. Now it's full on easy mode. They want it to be harder for good players then if casual players can't keep up then they'll cry it's too hard again and it will be nerfed. There's a reason savage and unreal exist. This strike basically became a meme. Mainly because they went at this based off 1 dungeon. Dungeons are designed to be easy with maybe 1 exception being a touch challenging per expansion. Also, tanks have selfsustain to help the healer. There are very bad players in every role, and a bad tank or brain dead dps make healing a nightmare where as a bad healer wipes teams. The only reason verraise and smn resurrection are still in the game is dog water healers being bad and needing the back up. Unfortunately 90% of content caters to bad players. Remember Shinryu? People cried that it gated them from progress. If I'm being honest SE amd yoshi should just make the game how they mean to. Most of these strike healers are still on the game because more than half of them are the people who spend all their time being weird in limsa, or never step foot into raid content amd probably just do dungeons. You can do 90% 9f the story with trusts anyway.

The thing about being a healer, the better your party, the easier your job is. If your party is doing every mechanic then you have very little to do. I would like to see more of an opportunity to support your party when you dont need to do much healing. Rather than increasing dps complexity, add support functionality similar to astrologian. If you're playing with a bunch of new players then you're likely to be spending a lot more time healing.

@Nempo13

16 күн бұрын

I miss this. If your party was good as Sch, you would swap to Selene and she had an aoe buff she would use ON HER OWN on your allies to increase their attack/cast speed! She also had an AoE Esuna (the only one in the game mind you). Those took the place of an aoe heal skill and an aoe shield skill that Eos had. Remember when Whm used to be able to increase the armor of others? If your tank died and you had a Drg the Drg could actually taunt the enemy, and a Whm could increase their armor so they temporarily had the defense of a tank and their own bloodbath skill and lifestrike skill could keep them standing against a boss whle the Whm cast a rez. Ast came later and had the support functions built into the cards and got a damage boost skill. Interestingly only the Ast kept their support buffs. Whm lost their armor boost, and Sch lost their attack/cast speed boost. Sage came later and is the 'attack' healer with options to throw. Give the healers more casual buffs to throw...as for scholar...GIVE THEM BACK THEIR DOTS, and let the fearie do more than single target healing again.

I feel like healers should take some cues from Sage and have more attack's that also heal, but obviously I don't want classes to be even more homogeneous then they already are I really hope 8.0 makes healers and tanks feel more distinct from one another.

@KitsuneRogue

Ай бұрын

As a SCH/SUM I just want my dots man...

@cynthiahembree3957

Ай бұрын

I’m all for bringing job diversity back honestly. Especially for healers

@SephiraeAtrobella

Ай бұрын

@@KitsuneRogue Kindred spirit... I understand.... But also maybe more group attacking than art of war..... But agreed.

@willy5849

19 күн бұрын

I can't agree with you. Healers should heal. If you want to deal damage, play dps. There can be some healer jobs like sage which heals through damage, but definitely not all of them.

Healer is at its best when the party doesn't know what it's doing. Unfortunately, the shelf life on that is rather short. Also, I'm getting a little bit of Expedient vibes with the recent mitigation streamline. Maybe it's copium, but I do think this change will have a drastic effect on the raid tier where healing absolutely will have higher value.

@benmorrow1701

Ай бұрын

So true. I love when I get in a group with all sprouts.

@Nempo13

16 күн бұрын

I am a tank main, if my healer appears bored, I will stop using big mitigation unless absolutely needed. I tand to run paladin so I can't exactly stop my self healing as my sheltron and my imperator rotation both heal me. However, current later dungeons have had damage values tweaked. If a healer isn't throwing heals the tank will drop even with mitigation being used on the big pulls. So if your tank isn't single group pulling you are healing nigh constantly.

One of the things that I've been talking to people about is that healer challenge comes from the content more than the rotation. There has been interviews by the producer where they commented about dungeon difficulty. They said that leveling dungeon will be the same easy content but they want to add more challenge into the expert dungeons. To bring the expert back into those dungeons. Will be interesting to see if they can do that.

Im a healer main too and honestly I’ve been avoiding roulette for the last few weeks because for some reason people have just… not been doing mechanics lately and when I try to explain it, I’ve literally been told ‘don’t care’. I would rather play with the npcs right now. It’s too stressful.

@pungivergiverofpuns3611

Ай бұрын

I'm still a sprout who is just about done with shadowbringers. I usually play with npcs, but my friend and I qued together for one of the dungeons. We got a tank that kept standing in mechanics. He too, was a sprout, so we thought maybe he just didn't know any better. We tried to give him some advice, only for him to tell us "if I stand in the AOEs I can lure other enemies into them and the AOE will kill them for us." Like I said, I'm still a sprout but I'm 99% sure that's not how that works

@AltaniNerdAuRa

Ай бұрын

@@pungivergiverofpuns3611 It is not how that works. The AOE won't hurt enemies, just players.

@AilinRevan

Ай бұрын

@@pungivergiverofpuns3611indeed, it does not work that way.

@pedrorocha6044

Ай бұрын

just don't heal them until they get tired and leave, easy

@SirKaibel

Ай бұрын

Are you kidding? Those parties are what make my day!! At last get a chance to push some heals

Problem is, if the game suddenly couldnt be played without a healer, healer would be the most stressful role to play, with healers being responsible for everyone else even being ALLOWED to play the game. There will probably always be some level of self sufficiency in the jobs, getting rid of that is not the answer

@JDWonders

Ай бұрын

The game design is fine as it currently is, IMO. Yeah it could be tweaked to be a little harder, but at the end of the day you can clear almost all non-savage content with no tanks or no dps. So where is the "dps strike" or the "tank strike" at? The game could easily be changed so that needing all the roles could be a hard requirement. Like imagine if you upped the damage dealt by all dungeon enemies by 500%, but also increased the mitigation of tank abilities to match. At that point it would become impossible to clear without a tank. Imagine if they increased the HP of every dungeon enemy by 500%, but also increased the dps of damage dealer jobs to match. At that point it would become impossible to clear without dps. If any of the above changes were to take place, it would make the game worse and less accessible. The people who are up in arms about this "healing is too easy" thing have no idea what they're talking about.

@Zingdo

Ай бұрын

Well its pretty clear theres an audience for more “midcore” content, which challenges the players more, but not so much that its on par with ultimates difficulty

@stormvexed

Ай бұрын

It's supposed to be balanced so that everybody functions as a team and there is some job overlap and sometimes newer players and establish players f****up and that's why you have healers so you can keep going or you know overcome devastating situations that could wipe the party. The people who have that emergency responsibility suddenly thinking that they can just walk out of the game is kind of silly because they are needed that is their function Like DPS I can't imagine DPS going on strike because that's literally how you play the game It takes a really long time to defeat the boss if you're not focusing on damage at least part of the time.

@Ozawanikoot

Ай бұрын

Lmao, just a clout lure and pointless 😂😂😂

@Sargas-wielder

Ай бұрын

There's a huge difference between "every party hinges on the healer being GOOD" and "the healer needs to cast healing spells on a somewhat regular basis for the party to last". The content being easy enough (or the tanks having enough self-sustain) that a half decent tank can make it through without a single heal from the healer is too far in that direction imo, but that doesn't mean we need to swing the pendulum entirely in the opposite direction

Making healing jobs too healing intensive turn things like WoW where all the pressure is on the healer, giving 2 more buttons to press it's the easy way out but changes nothing of how u play, u have an illusion of a dps rotation nothing more. For me the fun part of healer it's not the gameplay itself is the management of the group because i have to focus less on doing a rotation i can focus more on how others play so i can notice that Filiph McTardis is prone to fail more and i can cover for him instead of letting him die because he fuked up.

@Quix32

Ай бұрын

Actually making a role actually required in content (*gasp* yes, even casual content!) doesn't mean "all pressure is on the healer". You can definitely make the case in high end M+ with certain affixes, and certain fights in higher difficulty raids for sure though, but my point being that this isn't always the case. Personally I'm fine with some content/encounters being healing intensive, and other fights being tank or dps intensive, it adds variety to the gameplay. Something FFXIV doesn't even have any analog of anymore.

I'm just gonna use this strike to level healers then. Didnt even know it was happening

I can see it now, SE says "oh you want healers to matter, every fight now has 40 required esuna's, now you have to bring a healer"

I play dark knight. And I way to often feel like a marshmallow in the tank department. Don't have this issue with paladin or gunbreaker, but I do need healers. Proper mitigation aside my hp is still shredded like cheese in trash. I need those healers. Not everyone is WAR

I didn't even know there was a strike. In my group I usually play healer so the my friends can play whatever class they want without having to worry about beating the activity we're in. Honestly I do wish that there was a bit more challenge but separating the casuals and the people who play the game nonstop has always been difficult in the past. If they do change the dungeons so that healers are required in the dungeons then the casuals who are playing with a newer healer or someone who isn't fully mentally there will probably wipe several times.

Im not on strike but as a healer main im a bit tired of the role jobs being neutered so often.

@vukkulvar9769

Ай бұрын

"People are not playing healer, it probably means we must make it even more boring!" ~ BCE3

@whitemoonwolf13

Ай бұрын

as an astro main i both look forward to an xpac and dread it. i am not excited for DT astro

@Quix32

Ай бұрын

Just play ultimate lulz

@DawnAfternoon

19 күн бұрын

@@Quix32 probably the single most tonedeaf statement from yoship yet

@Quix32

19 күн бұрын

@@DawnAfternoon It absolutely is. The fact that 90% of content needs to be boring when you have half a functioning brain stem is just not good game design philosophy.

I really hope this is more than wanting a 1 2 3 combo for healers, because every time I ask for what specifically someone wants when they say they want more attacks, I don't get anything more specific than.... just more attacks. Complexity just for the sake of complexity is not good design. (Also seeing that Scholar already has enough actions to fill up two sets of chotbars, I'm assuming that they aren't getting more attacks without a reduction in healing spells or a chording action ala eukrasia)

@Naryoril

Ай бұрын

Personally, I don't want more attacks on a healer, what I want is not spending 95% of my GCDs on those attacks. In my opinion, the way to do that is to have enemies/bosses deal much more damage overall, but much less spiky than they are right now.

@TheFrantic5

Ай бұрын

@@Naryoril Perhaps more DoTs from bosses/enemies, and an indication on the health bar to show the dot. (Like greying out the section of HP the DoT will eventually consume) We're in a really weird situation where the trash mobs pack more of a punch than the bosses when pulled wall-to-wall, and it would be good to balance this.

@inekd

Ай бұрын

@@Naryoril play blue mage if you wanna see how it's gonna feel when you need to spend 95% of GCDs on healing. It is not as engaging as you might imagine :(

@Naryoril

Ай бұрын

@@inekd I don't want to spend 95% on healing, i just don't want to spend 95% on damage. Also, Blue Mage is a really bad example, the job is simply not balanced, it's just some fun thing on the side.

@Quix32

Ай бұрын

That's for the actual developers and designers of the jobs to figure out, players aren't developers and have terrible design suggestions. We say healers are completely not engaging in most content, that's something CB3 needs to figure out how to solve. They're woefully bad at it though

As a tank main i care my healers.

@justplainmark

Ай бұрын

🫡

@roomaphoo

Ай бұрын

goat

@zeddoverkill

Ай бұрын

Darn right! o7

I don't know how I stand on this. On one hand, Yoshi P tells healers to play Ultimates if they think healing is boring. The healers are balanced around high end content, otherwise it wouldn't make sense. I heal ultimates and I think they are a ton of fun, but I can't deny that when I cue into any dungeon content I just put on a KZread video and turn my brain off. And the problem is that we are forced to play this content for leveling and tomes. The only thing I think would be an upgrade across the board would be making healer dps rotation a bit more interesting. Similar to how tank is a "dps light", healers should feel like "caster light". Tanks have responsibilities to mit the party and hold aggro/not die, but they still have interesting dps rotations with some depth. For example maybe Toxicon could be reworked on SGE so that casting Dosos 3 times gives you 1 toxicon, and then can be spent on a dps gain melee attack or something like that. I don't really care what they add; just something to keep track of/optimize

@christopherramirez3003

Ай бұрын

This right here I agree, why can’t healer have a dps combo that’s not just shooting dosis or glare over and over

@dillon268

Ай бұрын

I like your example addition to sage!

@kahome

Ай бұрын

@@christopherramirez3003 You're asking too much lol. Most of the players in this game barely even understand how their abilities work. You expect a limsa rper that does roulette to do a combo dps? They barely even use their rapture or assize in a dungeon ffs. It does sounds nice if a glare proc an ogcd dmg ability or what not. But at the end of the day, the majority barely even touch their dps buttons.

@zaytex5000

Ай бұрын

Even in high end content it's mind numbingly boring once you've progged a fight. Damage is very scripted and predictable once you've learned a fight and downtime is inevitable with FF fight design, so healers in every single piece of content: casual, extremes, savage or ultimates, will find themselves with downtime where they have nothing to do but 111111121111. In high end content, that downtime is a lot less than casual content, since of course you need to do mechanics and actually have shit to heal, but it's still very much on a 30s-60s rotation of when you can expect the next raid wide or whatever, whilst you just sit there spamming glare. They really do need a better DPS rotation, even if it was as basic as a WAR. Hell, leave WHM as the 11112111 healer and make the other three more interesting. That way the casuals who love their lobotomy rotation can keep it.

@KissMyKimchi

Ай бұрын

play a different game. that's the true answer. Or leave these healers behind and go tank or dps. That's the only solution to this.

D-did you survived a TANKbuster as a non Tank job? Time for a Tank strike! Jokes aside while the people doing the Healer strike have some valid points (Just 2 of them) they are going about it in such a childish way with the examples that they use, I fear the dev team might look at this and go like: "lol, must the winny side of the community, let's just ignore ALL of what they said". Also I love your bnnuy and I'll miss her when you Fantasia back to being a cat girl 😢

@Bismarck9871

Ай бұрын

To be fair (i know you said it jokingly) i think the only way for a non tank to survive a buster is if a sage or sch get a lucky clutch crit shield since that takes forever to cast xD

@RavinousStudios

Ай бұрын

@@Bismarck9871 Well, monks can with just a normal shield due to having their own mitigation. I was in P7N, one of the tanks died, I saw the tankbuster coming, popped Riddle of Earth, and a sage hit me with a non-crit shield. I lived. To be fair though, I've been monk-tanking since ARR. R.I.P. featherfoot 😢

@thehero1325

Ай бұрын

thing is square has listened to the winy sides of the community before, see 2 min meta being established, shadow bringers healer simplification, deaths of smn, blm, and ast, removal of kiten, Overall job simplification, bosses centering themselves evry 5 seconds, Boss hitboxes growing a bunch ect. still, your point stands as they only listen to cassual players so idk why i even commented

@lunaticmode638

Ай бұрын

Dev team has been ignoring healer feedback for 6 years now, so nothing would change

Well said! I enjoyed listening to this quite a bit. Good points all around. I especially liked the "don't judge it from a single dungeon clear" part. I can't agree more.

I sometimes joke that the warrior is the Blue Healer and my whitemage is green DPS + mechanics safety net. Things could be tweaked, for sure. That said, it doesn't really bug me that much. I like to be able to spend some effort in damage, I remember playing WoW and rarely participating in DPS and not being much of a fan of that. I ain't upset enough to go on strike of something. My biggest complaints as WHM, off the top of my head, is my DPS rotation being 90% glare, and that I got a handful of stats that aren't really worthwhile to itemize for - Spellspeed and Piety come to mind. I initially liked the idea of gearing for spellspeed to get faster casts and buffs to regen, but it seems that Crit, Direct hit, and determination are too good to give up for either of those stats. Also, even without any piety materia, food, etc., I rarely have problems with mana.

Really good summary and points, Avy. I feel so conflicted on it. I’m pretty casual but also have an understanding and agreement on the “why.” However, I still enjoy healing, even though I agree it needs improvement. I want to level one DPS in MSQ and one heal class right away in Dawntrail dungeons, and I’m worried: are players going to blacklist me if I queue as healer? It’s something I’ve been looking forward to. I started in Endwalker and really was looking forward to hitting new dungeons blind, as a healer, just enjoying some healthy group confusion and problem-solving as we all learn together.

As a former tank main who started healing to tank better but never went back to tanking.... not all healers want to be challenged all the time. I have loads of fun even when I dont need to heal much. Sometimes simple is good! W2W tanking always makes for a challenge, for both the tank and the healer, but that high stress high challenge isn't the vibe all the time. The artists put a LOT of work into making the dungeons look amazing, and its nice to be able to enjoy that hard work. If you want more challenge as a healer, play Astrologen!!! Actually memorize what cards work for what roles.

@willy5849

20 күн бұрын

The thing is, W2W is absurdly easy as well since trash mobs don't have any mechanics since ARR. They simply attack :) So every dongeon corridors in every dungeon are exactly the same. As for the second point, I totally agree, but we have Exploration mode for this purpose, we can enjoy dungeon design there. I understand that there are lots of players in FF14 who prefer chill and easy gameplay. But they also shouldn't forget about those who enjoy overcoming challenges and don't want to suffer in savages and ultimates. Right now those ppl (me included) have hardly anything to do in the game. Only extremes, perhaps. I

I got in a dungeon with a drunk healer last night. We explained it to them cause they had no idea and they were like "shit! But I only press two buttons, no no please no more. I only use assize and (another off cool down. Forgot it's name)." after he said he would go fight the leader of the protest, we went and did the dungeon. He seriously did only use two ocd's to heal. The entire dungeon. Homeboii was just enjoying life and his two button presses. Meanwhile the rest of the dungeon party had to basically no hit run the fights knowing full well that support would be a scarcity

@matrinezkevin11492

28 күн бұрын

I exclusively play the game while drunk off my ass on AST. That guy was probably just half asleep and/or lazy and wanted to see if tetragrammaton and assize were enough to not get kicked lol

@muhc2931

28 күн бұрын

He won us over with sheer charisma. Had an absolute blast being curb stomped by the final boss and laughing over it

You covered every bit of how I feel about this perfectly. Thank you for expressing it all so well!

I think the strike is stupid because very rarely do I ever get a group where I have nothing to do as a healer. And as a tank, I am grateful for having sustain for all the bad healers out there that I have to deal with on the daily who die to the most basic of mechanics.

@Nempo13

16 күн бұрын

AMEN to the bad healers. Too many self important healers go " *yawn* it is a roulette, I will put youtub on and turn off my brain." Then they die in stupid ways or are mindlessly spamming attacks and as a tank I have to heal the group cause the healer is phoning it in. This happens WAY TOO OFTEN. More than once I have had groups vote to kick a healer because they obviously weren't paying attention, then a new one pops in quickly. Yeah, healers get replaced pretty quick, tanks are who you still end up waiting for. Best part is yeah, we will keep pulling without a healer. Makes my job as tank harder but eh, it is whatevs. Tanks are used to just doing what needs done.

More striking! We're clearing Dawntrail with 4 warriors, DPS can get in the bin too

@drewmalekith4614

Ай бұрын

why not just 1 warrior? thats probably enough

@SmolKattVT

Ай бұрын

MORE UNGA BUNGA NOISES LMFAO

@SirKaibel

Ай бұрын

Soon it’ll be like ESO. The healer out tanking the tank. The dps out tanking the tank. The tank healing himself and rezzing others. And the mobs will just die on their own

@crimsonpotemkin

Ай бұрын

@@SirKaibel ESO is such a mess all around.

@normalmighty

Ай бұрын

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH IF I KEEP SCREAMING LIKE THIS THEN SE WILL READ MY MIND AND MAKE MY PERFECT GAME AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To be fair, recently before I even heard of the strike… I died in a dungeon (it was my first time doing it) and they were able to do the entire fight without me. Not one person died. It did make me feel utterly useless. I’m still gonna play healer though, but I DO get it… For the first time pretty much ever playing 14 for almost 10 years, I considered leaving a dungeon just because I felt like I genuinely didn’t need to be there… On top of that, I’ve also had recent incidents where I go into dungeons telling them it’s my first time, nobody explains what to expect, then I get trolled by the tank for dying. One tank said “you must’ve bought a level skip”…

I am a healer main and I am going to play normally. I too pass from groups that barely need healing to groups that seem hungry to take every mechanic in the face. I also understand that balance classes is hard. "Sometimes" is boring if the group is good "sometimes" is a nightmare to try to keep everyone up... Kind of hard to balance. First I'll plat DT and see how it is changes and all, then I'll decide by myself how the situation is.

What is the background music

This is giving me FF11 flashbacks of WHM striking over the low price of teleports. They wanted to charge people more than the going rate at the time. Strike away. I'll take the faster queues but I support the fact that the gameplay has gotten stale. I don't, however, condone having people tell me that I "shouldn't queue as healer cause it's a strike." I'll queue as healer. Because I still enjoy healer. But I also want Holminster Switch levels of tanks getting stuffed, lol.

maybe a way to up the ante for dungeons is to reintroduce them as expert level where rather than you syncing with dungeon level, the dungeon syncs with the highest ilvl. kinda like unreal trials Obviously, not every dungeon would be compatible (probably limit it to only 50+ dungeons), but it could introduce a level of difficulty that has been vacant for the longest time.

@Maria_Erias

Ай бұрын

I know they can't do it because of the amount of time it would take, and the other features it would delete in order to get it done, but I really miss ARR and HW hard modes and would love to see further hard modes introduced with new expansion dungeons. Those dungeons are still pretty difficult, and a lot of the bosses have unusual mechanics that can swack a group pretty easily.

@TheOtherCoinflipper

Ай бұрын

Would this not just be Minimum iLevel / No Echo dungeons? You'd get to keep your actions, but that would be a buff overall. Hard mode remixes are separate dungeons for content.

Sooo I planned through DT as ast, I have more or less mained that and dnc and I plan to continue that way because I like the classes. I fully agree with the points you've made but I enjoy the class and will continue to enjoy it as it for now. I hope they do see the issues tho and get around to fixing it.

From what I've experienced yesterday, the strike started early, and it was more of a hostage situation with party finders requesting money in order to skip the 30+ min roulette times. If it was just a strike, I would understand. If you're going out of your way to say "Pay me, play PvP or sit there and cry" the message is kinda lost. (All of this was from Hyperion, Bozja is basically just dps. There was 1 healer in the whole place. I know this because I had died six different times in southern front, and they found me by complete accident every time.)

This drama must be an NA thing because nothing has changed on other data centres.

@2000nerffreak

26 күн бұрын

i noticed that i get a lot more instant queues as healer in dt compared to ew on chaos. it has had a small impact, but i dont think it has been as big as on american dc's

you summed up my POV perfectly, i play healers, and we need to seehow DT pans out for everyone to start with before requesting changes. Homoginization of the jobs is unhealthy for the game, risks killing job identity.

@razcipherff7272

Ай бұрын

Depending who you ask, for some this ship has already sailed with Shadowbringers with how Scholar and Astro were gutted. I used to be a healer main but after that I switched to tanking. I'd take stormblood's SCH and AST anytime over their current versions.

@hanegawamidori4081

Ай бұрын

I mean... People's complaints are that healers have nothing to do for DPS, and they haven't received anything except obscure things at the highest levels. It doesn't take playing DT or a crystal ball to see that healers haven't quite gotten what they were after.

@elgatochurro

Ай бұрын

"killing job identity, we hate homogenization" before homogenization: everyones damage spike is at very different timings after homogenization: OMG, MY REAPER PLAYS JUST LIKE MY MACHINIST SOMEHOW, 2 MINUTE META BAD

@Naryoril

Ай бұрын

@@hanegawamidori4081 I don't have a problem with having nothing to do for DPS, my problem is, that I spend almost all my time on DPS. Give me reasons to spend my GCDs on heals, and have the oGCDs be emergency buttons when someone screws up or to take pressure off the healing to spend more time on damage from time to time. And yeah, i agree with the rather obscure skills at high level, like the white mage lvl 90 skill....

Thanks for the video. I agree I hope the update goes well!

So a streamer showed off some gameplay that people took out of context? Sounds like the last Healer controversy. A streamer had to sit in queue a little while longer because of lack of healers. THing was that he was playing later at night after peak hours ended. Cue the "healer shortage" bs we had a couple years back.

All I want is healers to have more dps buttons than one single target atk and one aoe atk. Take some cues from Sage and add potency buffs from doing dmg or combo between dps and healing abilities, Anything to make healers more engaging of a role!

@Naryoril

Ай бұрын

I think, to make healers more engaging as a role, what needs to be revamped is the healing side, not the damage side, otherwise healers will always be a discount DPS. And to do that, there needs to be more reason to spend GCDs on heals. There is no need to have more dps buttons if you don't press the 2 DPS buttons you have 95% of the time. I think we need to take much more damage overall, but lowering the spikes (any non-tank being 1 or 2 shotted doesn't make healing engaging or fun).

SE thinking about removing rez from summoners 8.0. WOW players playing Dragonflight mythic raids "hold my beer" Going to heal my little heart out during the strike. This is punishing the DPS ques that are already 30 minutes plus. Thanks for overacting guys!

I think the main issue is a gameplay problem. That being that damage is the single most important thing in this game, cause once you get to a certain level whether it's savage or ultimate you already know what buttons you're gonna press and when it's about fitting in as much damage as possible. And that's how the game is designed, there's no consistent damage to heal like in other MMOs it's always in bursts or a small window of sustained damage. So the problem then becomes it's not engaging nor rewarding to essentially use a mitigation cooldown and the only damage you're contributing is a DoT and a single target damage spell. For me at least healers use to be complex in the sense that they had loads of buttons but you barely used any of them, so they changed them which imo was good, however they've also been dumbing stuff down and streamlining jobs way too much recently which I think tanks and healers have definitely bore the brunt of. While I do agree with the sentiment this strike has, as I also agree healer is by far the most uninteresting role to play in XIV, however I also think the only real way we're going to get proper change with this is an inherent gameplay change

Best video on the topic on youtube! Thank you, AvyCatte.

Giving feedback didn't work for 2 expansions (or 5 years). Should we do the same again and expect another result ? The issue was never officially acknowledged beside Y-P infamous "try ultimate"... You still want to go and want your queues to be quick ? good for you I guess.

Why is this comment section full of such dramatic people acting like they won't find healers in Dawntrail? Touch grass immediately please. 90% of the playerbase doesn't even know about the healer strike.

@Zoey--

Ай бұрын

Didn't even hear of it until now lol

@0Fyrebrand0

Ай бұрын

☝ This. As of right now, that Healer Strike post on the forum has 4662 comments in it. That's not even 1% of active players, and I'm not even accounting for the fact that a lot of those comments are undoubtedly the same people replying in the thread multiple times. Also, the official forum is a hellhole full of trolls, bigoted weirdos, and tons of sock puppet alt accounts owned by the same RMT gil seller who doesn't even try to hide it much of the time.

@averyaustin1

Ай бұрын

The grass feels pretty nice….. ooh, there’s a squirrel over there!

@meno2294

Ай бұрын

There's so many scabs don't worry about it lol

@AilinRevan

Ай бұрын

@@averyaustin1 quick, CATCH IT !!!!!

I main DRK, and i was trying to figure out what to level as a secondary through the beginning of the expansion, and ive decided to level my Sage next thanks to the silly strike.

@thetog

Ай бұрын

Sage is part of the problem. The damage they're putting out on mediocre to high raids is out damaging DPS.... while they're fine to let everyone die in the process. Sage needs a damage nerf to align with other "healers". Becoming a dps who can heal is not a solution, it's a cop out.

@duskangel1952

Ай бұрын

@@thetog I'm not opposed to that

As a healer main, I want to have the game be easy enough for everyone but also some harder content for non-savage-raiders. The gap between casual and high-end-raider is far too big and I would love either harder optional content for groups or at least a better healer gameplay. Both will be coming I am sure since SE is always looking for such issues. The variant dungeons were a good start and this expansion was first and foremost a baseline for improvements starting with graphics. Astro played a lot better already and I assume healers will improve way before the next expansions.

I 100% support the healers' strike. I main healer, and a strike guarantees split second roulette queues for me!!!

I agree with the sentiment that calling it a "strike" will just get things made into a joke, but I honestly feel like it's the only option people have left. I know tons of healers and non-healers that find 111111 boring, and most other veterans that I know don't enjoy the role as much as they used to. We have been giving feedback and complaining for years and it's gone ignored, so a performative "strike" feels like the only way left for anyone to get heard unfortunately. I've played healer since late HW and still do even if I've been unsatisfied with the role since 5.0, because I feel like having good healers is a huge team asset in both prog and reclears. I'm willing to take a "personal enjoyment" hit so my group has the best chance of succeeding. For DT though, I'm not on strike per se but I'm maining DPS because I just can't tolerate how boring the gameplay is anymore.

@Ennasalin

Ай бұрын

the only way to deal with that is to delete the healer role altogether and make everything dps with dodge and self-healing included. Then, everyone will be the hero of their own story.

@Naryoril

Ай бұрын

@@Ennasalin That's what GW2 did. It doesn't make for engaging encounter design. I can only talk of vanilla GW2 though.

@Ennasalin

Ай бұрын

@@Naryoril it's not just GW2 that has this model and walked away from the holy trinity. As a healer main I do not share any of the sentiments. I find healers highly fun and engaging. You don't have much of a dps rotation but you have a healing rotation. also, that is never fixed. Also goes without saying, I play 98% just savage, ultimates and ex. Casual content should be easy and fast.

4:00 While I agree with the video, Xenos literally said in the video made in response to this, "anybody can do this" so that didn't exactly help things.

AST and DNC main. I'm coming back after a long break after Shadowbringers. I will say I am bummed with the simplification of AST but I am beyond excited to come back. But have they made bigger changes to classes in the middle of an expansion before? I don't remember.

@captainmurphy4948

Ай бұрын

Monk got a big rework mid-shadowbringers iirc. That's the only one I can really remember, but I only started mid-shadowbringers.

@ZhangHe0

Ай бұрын

@@captainmurphy4948 Okay. Thank you! I stopped right after Shadowbringers was released. I finished the main story and then...life happened. So maybe it isn't unrealistic to think they might adjust healers a bit after Dawntrail drops?

I usually play healer or dps in this game, but I won’t touch healer during DT. Not because of the strike, but because of how they changed AST…

@ddoaleeraabones9937

Ай бұрын

I agree with this sadly.. AST is the healer that brought me into raiding and whatnot. I love how I always have something to do. DT AST looks like a joke sadly

@allhana365

Ай бұрын

Oh no what are they doing to AST? I know nothing of the changes they are making to any jobs at this point in time.

@ErdrickLoto86

Ай бұрын

I stopped playing Astro when the devs took away Nocturnal and Diurnal sect during ShB. 😢

@whitemoonwolf13

Ай бұрын

@@allhana365 they're giving the cards back some individuality but locking them as set draws under astral or umbral draw. so you're always drawing the exact same set of cards. always. no need to even fucking think. and since they're doing away with the seals, astrodyne is getting deleted. so mp is also going to get fucked like back in the day.

@allhana365

Ай бұрын

@@whitemoonwolf13 Aww noo… T~T Thanks for explaining. ^^

That no healer run of the dungeon they had a red mage which is basically a backup healer. In every game I know people have always tried all tank, all dps, or all heal runs of dungeons and raids. Idk why everyone is so mad. Yes the content is easy, but they said they were going to start scaling the difficulty back up. I have been playing since 1.0 so I definitely know how hard it use to be. Plus even with how easy it is I have had my fair share of new people still wiping to mechanics.

@Elvie_Takodachi

Ай бұрын

I never saw that Redmage in the no healer run press his vercure once but please correct me if I'm wrong. They only used Verraise after a dps died. and yes... they were not even sweating, but collecting vulnstacks and maybe 2-3 deaths. Just to clear things up a a bit

I think the funniest thing is since maybe 2 days after Dawntrail launch tops, I haven't had the slightest difficulty getting through queues as DPS. Either people didn't follow through with the strike for very long, or there were never many people actually striking to begin with.

you can really clear any normal content with all of one class. We did Nier raid 3 on release with all healers.

My favorite part about people bitching about healers being too easy is when p5s-p8s were current, and people started bitching about how hard it was to heal that tier, when it was a blast.

@papersage69

Ай бұрын

I doubt it was the same people flip flopping. All the healers I've known wanted more of Abyssos and felt a glimmer of vitality restore them when they had to heal Harrowing Hell.

@SunChaoJun

Ай бұрын

Abyssos had a mitigation problem. While I don't mind bleeds and would like to see more of them, having the DoT damage snapshot the moment it goes out makes it a healing AND mitigation check, because if the party didn't mitigate it or mitigated too late, the DoT hits much, much harder. So it's a party responsibility that is then blamed on the healers if they can't keep up with the unmitigated bleed. Harrowing Hell was a better heal check (when it isn't just cheesed with tank LB)

I'll be main healer, as always, and I couldn't care less for this strike. Casual content is casual content. I did many many level 80+ dungeons without tank and I ain't complaining shit

@JellalFernandes1991

Ай бұрын

Same here.. Healers FTW!! 💪🏻😎

@ciberkid22

Ай бұрын

And not to mention, even if enough healers strike so that the queue is affected, there's already the Trust bots

@Maria_Erias

Ай бұрын

Heck, I tanked the last two bosses in the final dungeon in the EW patch series as a SGE because a tank dropped. I think Cider Spider said it first, and Avy reiterated it: you can beat any story dungeon with any combination of jobs. It's not hard. It just might require a bit more work or a bit more time. And the fact that people think that one of the top-rated WAR tanks in the world plus a few of his other world-class raider buddies can no-healer a demo dungeon from an expansion that hasn't even been released yet just... proves how much some people need to go touch grass. Easy content is easy.

@antistraightmen

Ай бұрын

"I couldnt care less that I spam 1 1 1 2 1 1 1 1"

@ciberkid22

Ай бұрын

@Maria_Erias also managed to do Aurum Vale as a scholar without a tank because he ragequit on the first pull, and I know that this is ARR but I still felt proud pulling this off on a duty roulette

Healing kits are fine if a little bloated, i just wish each healer got an extra dps option that has some form of upkeep, ie miasma 2 back for sch, a damage spender for lillies for whm, a way to passivly gen stings for sge, and ast seems pretty decent right now and needs testing but 1-2 stacks of the lord on a 30-60 sec cd would pad it up a fair bit, also can we move healer aoe down in level

Not only was this strike planned to be held way too early tbh, I also find they keep forgetting that the devs *just* fixed the dungeons to be played with Duty Support, made them better, some got very simplified. I just find it funny, that shortly after things have been made easier, it is suddenly too easy? Don't get me wrong, I miss the old dungeons but they were really mean when you had a whole group of newbies that had never done that one dungeon before (the one with the Garlean tools you needed to collect stuff for is a good example). I'm not sure how to put this better... but I feel like this whole ordeal shouldve been done after DT released and not before and also not simply judged on a single video?

"but you can run dungeons with just a warrior for healing!" idk, that sounds like a problem with warrior, not with healers.

@Cyiel568

Ай бұрын

Why not both ?

@notmousse

Ай бұрын

You leave Blue Healer alone!

@vukkulvar9769

Ай бұрын

An issue with healers is that GCD healing is useless. Bosses do so little damage with tanks recovering on themselves that you only need to use oGCD when a raid mechanic happen then back to 20~30s of 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1. Esuna is barely used. There's barely any DoT that would justify using Medica II.

@DiverseComedyGaming

Ай бұрын

I think warrior needs to be slightly nerfed, PLD heal got nerfed in the past, but why has warrior remained so good?

@pastaboy1338

Ай бұрын

​@@DiverseComedyGamingobviously they play favorite. WAR kept receiving questionable buffs from post EW as if they were so weak, meanwhile DRK left rotten.

What gets me is WAR has been able to do no healer dungeon runs since literally Stormblood.

@bloodbane93

Ай бұрын

That's what's so funny. There's not a WAR main in the world who hasn't solo'd a boss to save a wipe. Now it's a big deal?

@TheLastSane1

Ай бұрын

@@bloodbane93I think that’s one of their complaints. Why be a healer if you made the tank able to heal itself almost as well. It’s more a sense of “why the hell am I here if he can do it himself” so why not just play dps or tank yourself

@anaalvensleben789

Ай бұрын

@@TheLastSane1 Except in anything above dungeons, it's far more efficient and less prone to wipes to just bring a healer. The TOP clear was like months of effort, optimization and RNG luck for top end players to clear without a healer. A 'midcore' healer striking because of that is dumb.

@TheLastSane1

Ай бұрын

@@anaalvensleben789 it’s mostly just to point to a lack of enjoyment. Healers want more to do, they want to feel more important to the team. It’s entirely valid

@cookingrabbitty

Ай бұрын

@@bloodbane93 Honestly it amaze people everytime that pull off, now it turn into drama. Waste of good moment 🙃

As a player who made FFXIV their main mmo and wow their casual, wow alienated a lot of their casual players focusing on higher end content, and they are helping fund the game. Also, Yoshida said they were playing on an early build and it was made easier for people to play viper and picto. *dusts off white mage.* P.S. I cam here for AvyCatte not AvyBunnie ;-) lol

As a melee dps, if i didnt have any self heal abilities i would die to raid wides because healers dont even heal in this game. What is even the problem?

Here's the issue. A lot of people who are casuals do not know what most of their kit does, they could probably never do a dungeon without a healer and will find it VERY disheartening that they have to stay in queues for tens of minutes on end just to progress the story as a DPS or a tank. This is going to hurt a lot the people who choose to play for the MSQ except healer because of the artificially lengthened dungeon queue times that this will generate.

@hayalmatnu9919

Ай бұрын

Duty support exists.

@crimsonwizahd2358

Ай бұрын

@@hayalmatnu9919 Up until the first trial, where unless they pull the same trick they did with the level 89 trial in EW, you need healers in the que.

@Sargas-wielder

Ай бұрын

At the same time, should people feel obligated to play a role that's braindead boring most of time to make the queues more manageable for others? Sure, the idea of stirring the pot and getting people jumping on the bandwagon isn't ideal, but on an individual player level, I want healer to be engaging enough to get people to WANT to play it, and if a lot more people are deciding "I'm not having fun anymore, I'll play another role" then they should do what makes the game more fun for them

@pagingdoctorsideburns

Ай бұрын

I'm really not a fan of the strikers literally attempting to make the launch experience worse for other parts of the playerbase. Yes, let's wake up and decide to make the world a slightly worse place today! Surely I am helping! Like, no one is owed other players queuing up as healer. That's true. But if you read comments from strikers you'll see plenty of verbalized spiteful intent, and I just think that's sad.

@zaytex5000

Ай бұрын

Those people who will complain about the upcoming healer shortage are very free to pick one up for quicker queues, but if they do that they'll understand why a lot of us are simply done with the role. It's literally unplayable in casual content. Doing your MSQ's as a healer where you eventually reach a story instance boss where you just 1111121111 - riveting, honestly.

This is ultimately just the result of the healer role being disrespected by Squeenix for too long. It started back when they removed damage kits from healers multiple expacs ago, which made healer gameplay 211111111121111111. It was intensified when the healer role was made completely irrelevant due to tanks having massive amounts of healing for both themselves and the party. The thing that really kicked it off, however, was YoshiP straight up saying "if you want engaging content, do Ultimate"... content that is well known for being less than 1% of players engage with.

What is that vierra glamour?

Are these guys the reason I could not do Hidden Gorge this week?

This is so blown out of proportion. I main healer and I've not met one speck of content that has been able to be completed without a healer. I don't want a more complicated dps rotation, I'm not a dps I'm a healer. If heals aren't needed as much I look at it as an easy run and that I get to watch the fight for once instead of worrying about where I'm standing, where others are standing and health bars while adding a little extra dps to the boss. If it was savage content and a healer wasn't needed then I would say that perhaps the fights weren't challenging enough. Otherwise I'm going to keep playing healer and when Dawntrail launches I'll get fast queues.

@maraacoma5121

Ай бұрын

it's just streamer content farming, there isn't really much to talk about right now until DT launches so they make a mountain out of a mole hill

@zaytex5000

Ай бұрын

you're perfectly entitled to enjoy your 11111121111 rotation in casual content but to expect other people too as well is just silly. I also don't know what content you're talking about but WAR 56+ is literally immortal and can clear any dungeon without a healer, a lot of trials/raids do not even need healers now.

@theandice8152

Ай бұрын

I'm not a DPS I'm a tank but I still don't think AST spamming malefic mindlessly over and over is good job design

@kegosan7622

Ай бұрын

But in Endwalker, some Savage and Ultimates got cleared during the Content Release Patch without any Healer. In 6.0 the only Dungeon boss that actually really needed a Healer was End of Days Final boss.

@stabegabe

Ай бұрын

I'm gonna disagree w/ you about healers being needed for most content considering a group managed to complete an ultimate with 0 healers lol. There is a problem with lack of outgoing dmg from group encounters, and healer tools being too powerful

NO ONE knows how things are going to be in DT yet, look at all the media tour videos and you will see that they all say the same thing "all potency numbers are subject to change"... the build they played at the media tour was over 2 months old as well. It is almost a guarantee that SE had adjusted things before the media tour took place. Please everyone tap the breaks, take a deep breath and see how things play before you hit enrage. Plus Avy is right, your not hurting the devs or SE... your actions will hurt your fellow players and friends. bright side though, it might bring more people over to healing that wouldn't have considered it.

@1Mrstephen

Ай бұрын

It’s never changed drastically from media tour to release. Small things sure but it’s generally the same. Unfortunately hurting player experience in the matter is how the devs will in fact hear. When DPS and Tanks can’t get a queue for an extended period of time then they will speak up, the community will unite, and the people that pay the bills will be heard.

@iceman3317

Ай бұрын

@@1Mrstephen that just isn't going to happen. Because there isn't going to be enough healer that give two licks about the strike. The ques are going to be slow regardless because the amount of people that will be playing. But there is going to be more that enough people who don't look at job changes. Who don't read forums. Who don't read twitter. The healers complaining is a very small minority of the actual healers in game. And many people will just switch jobs if que gets to bad. The strike is going to do nothing except waste the time of the people who are striking.

@kellevichy

Ай бұрын

@@1Mrstephen There are two new DPS jobs people are going to be playing and people who play healer, mains or otherwise ( i play everything ) will want to level their jobs to see what new stuff they get. This strike is going to do nothing because you cannot force millions of players to not play healers. This is a joke.

@1Mrstephen

Ай бұрын

@@kellevichy You are correct in all of that. How are people going to be heard if they don’t do or say something. It’s funny all the liberals that have been protesting all these years are against a protest…. Yes there is a correlation.

I'm not a raider and I am a healer main. I've run current expert dungeons with a warrior, dragoon, reaper and me on summoner a few months ago. Warriors especially are very strong party healers. I had fun, but the state of FF healing a feel bad vs wow healing, for example. but I know they're different games - and not all 4 man members will be able to run content w/o a healer. I've had plenty of DF groups who can barely handle a w2w - how do you find balance when the gap between the floor and ceiling is massive?

I doubt people will actually notice this "strike". As most players don't interact with FF twitter or forums they won't know that it is even happening.

A lot of people who don't even play end game content complaining about something that doesn't effect them in any way while not knowing how good they actually have it compared to other MMOs. Typical day in 14. If I need to, I can play a healing job. I don't think "we're going to protest the alleged not needing a healer by not showing up" is the own they think it is. Just wait for the masses of posts in late DT where a suspiciously familiar group of people are posting to complain that their static dropped them for someone else.

@The_Yukki

Ай бұрын

Ikr? They kinda missed the point of why strikes work... when idk nurses strike the healthcare system grind to a halt. When healers go on a strike people will just swap to a healer alt job for 15-20min, or just use a trust for msq.

@owenwells7692

Ай бұрын

@@The_Yukki this 100%, if they actually do this then whenever I want to get a dungeon quickly I can switch to one of my healer jobs and get a fast queue, and for regular dungeon content it doesn't matter that I don't main healer because I still know the jobs well enough to get people through a dungeon.

@Kalinstarz

Ай бұрын

@@The_Yukki Also they'd be unionised (probably) so all the nurses would be on strike. Most healers aren't going to be striking making their vocal miniority strike useless.

@25xxfrostxx

Ай бұрын

@@The_Yukki I played Everquest many years ago and the healers back then had to literally sit down on the ground to regain mana faster. Then stand, cast a heal, sit back down. That was the loop. Kids today don't know how good they have it. That's mostly a joke as they do have a number of legitimate complaints with job feel and engagement but top 1% raiders being able to no healer a dungeon isn't indicative of a problem.

@The_Yukki

Ай бұрын

@@25xxfrostxx I remember wow healers having to jump to interrupt their cast in case their target did not take damage by the end of the cast in order to not waste mana 😂

I get whats fueling it, but I also know only 5 people are going to actually do it. As a healer main, I plan to carry on playing healer.

@LordKhuzdul

Ай бұрын

Yeah, with returners, casuals who never heard of it etc., I don't think people will even notice there being a strike.

I completely understand why they're doing it. Although, i'm going to admit- as someone who mains sage as my go to healer, ( I play all the classes. Sage is just my favorite healer out of the four of them) I find it kind of stupid- I also play Warrior and I have done a similar thing from that 1 streamer who did the dawn trail dungeon without a healer. I did that with endwalker- several times- And i'm not the only one who's done it, Yeah, some of the healer gameplay is really mediocre And need some changes, But causing a strike because of it is probably the stupidest thing i've ever heard. You're just gonna make everyone else's queue times longer, Meaning no msq is getting done, and to top it all off. You're gonna make your own queue times triple the length because no one is playing Healer- while only dps and tanks are queuing. But that's just my two sense, as someone who's been playing the game for the last few years.

My only issue is that because I main healing and really only play white mage and everything else is the lvl I pick it up at doing MSQ is a bit dragging when I have to kill things. I get two attacks and one of them is a dot. I would like a bit more attacks.

I do think it's dumb how little healing is required in casual content at the moment, particularly with WAR tanks. That's it, no further statement.

@omensoffate

Ай бұрын

Have you seen the general player base ? People can’t even play the job properly

@captainziggy82

Ай бұрын

Yup, and healer dps toolkit is extremely boring lol

@Geekezf

Ай бұрын

@@omensoffate You don't really need much knowledge of War on casual content to be ridiculously broken with healing. I'm a terrible tank and that bad boi help me be a good one.

@LadyBGames

Ай бұрын

@@omensoffate This viewpoint is irrelevant. There is still a portion of the community who do know how to play their jobs and want more engagement with it. If the job becomes too difficult for people who want to drool on their keyboard instead of learn how things work, they can find another to play. SMN would be my suggestion, lots of pretty colors for them for them to get excited over.

@davidpower5710

Ай бұрын

​​@@LadyBGames bro it's people like you that make most people not want to engage with stuff like the healer strike. Or even want it to actively fail. Why should S.E change the jobs play styles of a vocal toxic Minority of players. When most of the plays are already fine with the job as is. Not saying their shouldn't be any criticism. But get of you high horse and calm down.

I actually saw on the crystal party finder just last night someone trying to recruit for a DawnTrail NO HEALER savage group... that... that actually not only shocked me to my core, but... also made me profoundly sad. It's in my username for crying out loud! I'm a healer main and proud, I just have no idea how I actually feel in regards to this strike thing. course I won't be participating as I think its silly and... well healer is all I really have in this game that I enjoy anyway, so... iunno

@shiningstarathena1059

Ай бұрын

Lmao i saw that pf as well. Im a RPR main but Ive been playing SGE, WHM, and now leveling SCH (mostly for SMN but im enjoying SCH). Let people have their fits. More benefits for the healers bc they'd be the ones in demand. :3

@whitemageserenia

Ай бұрын

@@shiningstarathena1059 I dabble with RDM and SAM when I'm not playing WHM/AST or SGE but I don't really enjoy those roles, so if I were to participate in this strike, I'd only be hurting myself and no one else lol >

@raevenent751

Ай бұрын

That static is gonna be short lived

lol ive been saying this YEARS ago! There is no REAL threat lvl in ANY content but Savage raiding. For example POISON has to stack 409852740592847052938475 times before anybody starts to feel its effect. Paladin is basically a tank AND a white mage if you use your mana properly.All dungeons before ShadowBringers are just time killers

Very nicely said Avy! I agree with your observations on the state of the game and the better ways to achieve change. The game needs to be fun for a wide variety of players to continue its growth and succeed. Since there is no way one size will fit everyone, making greater use of difficulty tiers seems like an obvious approach. In “another game” dungeons came in Normal, Heroic and Mythic difficulties. I played a healer in all three and never felt unnecessary at higher levels. The issue with this is that the higher levels need to have much better rewards for the greater effort. You did a video on this about variant dungeons. When I was running mythic dungeons with a group from our raid team, they were a way to gear up for heroic raids. Also, party finder only for normal and heroic. Only premade groups for Mythic. Anyway, I think greater use of difficulty levels would help alleviate the concerns. P.S.: They could keep a leader board for mythic clears with group names and clear times.

healer strike is dumb, who cares if a healer only needs to use 3 DPS skills, its easier to play when you don't have to heal all the time, healers ain't DPS so they shouldn't have many DPS skills and healer skills that's too much to handle, I think its selfishness that healers want to make things harder just so they can heal more often.

As a sage main, I'm personally content with healer after having played dps/tank roles in prior years. I enjoy my flexibility when needed, but I'll admit the reason I'm sage isn't just for the aesthetic, but because it feels more interactive than other healers. SCH is 2nd for me since providing chonky shields feels nice and I love the attack animations as well as the fairy management(I know it's not a lot but still that's enough to be unique). However I was never personally interested in pure healing because there's really too much of it from some jobs and the fact that tanks seem to handle healing/mitigation enough as is... Sometimes I'll get a dungeon or trial where I'm purely a dps without having to heal... other times I'm 1 of 2 healers doing the healing. While I'm personally not for a strike, I think there's a balance or synergy not being met with healers in relation to co-healing or their tanks anymore. Tanks have their balance with swapping out or taking hits together, mitigation for the group, dps have their priorities and more complex rotations... but you get 2 pure healers together, you easily overheal on top of one another. Same with double shield heals or even 2 competant healers even being 1 shield and 1 pure heal. You go into a dungeon where you're expected to heal the tank, but some dps provide healing on top of how much tanks can already handle, it gets to the point that there's not a lot to really do other than your basic attack skill and any damage abilities on cooldown. As a sage, I'm slapping Kardia on the tank, and that will passively heal them so long as they're doing their job right(which, no one should be mad at people playing correctly either). While I like that... I also never need to hit any other buttons besides phlegma or reaupply dots. At the same time, I don't think I want a complex rotation or more attacks. I just want my healing buttons to matter more and to visibly see I'm contributing the same way a tank now can watch as a hit does nothing to their health through mitigating and a dps gets to watch the boss' health drop when they do damage. I power up Pneuma with Zoe for a huge aoe blast? That's good, but the AST's earthly star already got them to full or near anyways. I want to use my regens? Too late, the other healer used a burst heal or the tank mitigated it to the point that everyone took maybe a sliver off their health. I think most people would agree that they enjoy feeling valued as a healer and not just as "insurance" if something goes wrong. That's just my 2 cents on the matter though.

@thetog

Ай бұрын

Sages are in serious need a of a damage nerf. FFXIV logs shows this as an obvious factor. Seeing SGE out damage decent DPS and massively outdamaging mid dps has shown how bad it is. Even during the live letter, Alphy ....as a sage.... was shown as "dps". That means the line is too fine between the two.

This is why I main DPS, too scared to tank and I still have PTSD from playing healer in WoW

Im a healer main, had no idea this was a thing happening xD

Asking for a more in depth DPS rotation as well as being needed to actually heal more are a bit much, I think. Healers will just find they have a sparkly new damage rotation only to find they can't use it because they are too busy healing. I do however think the roles aught to be more focused on what they are actually supposed to do. The tank role has indeed turned into a sort of off DPS role where the best tanks arn't the ones that can take more punishment but the ones that can do more damage, and this gets very apparent when looking at best in slots and materia melding with more skills being focused on damage than defense, and this has a lot to do with how generally good tanks already are at tanking just innately.

@hanegawamidori4081

Ай бұрын

I feel like if more people had to choose, they'd go for a little more of a DPS rotation. It wouldn't impact the bad players nearly as much as needing more healing, meanwhile better players would have more to do. Also tanks still like DPS as well, there's a reason why some tanks gravitate to GNB despite thematically preferring the other tanks.

@Naryoril

Ай бұрын

@@hanegawamidori4081 If i want an engaging DPS rotation, I play DPS. When I'm playing healer, I actually want to heal.

Healer queues will be quick af I’m happy about that lol

I think the icing on the cake is that Alisaie can be a Healer role during Duty Support. ;D

As a complete shock to no one, healers still suck in DawnTrail. As we predicted they would since they've sucked all through ShB and EW. At least Picto is fun!

@shadowsage2636

Ай бұрын

how did healer suck? they have been balanced well for the most part, none of them really had potency issues, ast keeps changing though, healers were at their wors pre stormblood. nearly all of them were garbage.

It's hilarious to me that a leveling dungeon triggered this and not TOP being cleared with no healer ON CONTENT

@TheLastSane1

Ай бұрын

I think it was more the straw that broke the camels back. Just one more thing

@lolmuffins1

Ай бұрын

The top clear would be a problem if it was a meta strat and turned out to be easier than bringing healers. It's not. Like you'd have to be fcking insane to do it. And then these people will say "well the fact that it's possible means blah blah blah" no, and please shut up, go do top on healer and tell me how unnecessary you feel 1 minute into the fight.

@DeadSpaceWing

Ай бұрын

Healer's last blood vessel popped.

@Hawkbreath36

Ай бұрын

Eh, the TOP clear bothered me for a day, but then I went and watched the clear. They had to use judicious use of Clemency and Vercure on top of precise use of deaths and raises to clear mechanics. And even then they were still at the mercy of good damage and heal rolls to barely eek out a victory. It was an insanely impressive challenge run solved by some absolute gods among raiders. Nothing more, nothing less

@drewmalekith4614

Ай бұрын

@@Hawkbreath36 oh for sure, i more meant that it was possible would i think trigger healers more than *checks notes* a leveling dungeon

The one downside to adding more dps buttons to healer is well the community complained about that already before when healers had an actual rotation and claimed it to difficult to do and so they removed your rotation going into shadowbringers. i know a lot of us weren't around than but that is something that has already happened so maybe with the new players coming in this could be something they could do going into 8.0 especially with the fact we know a big job identity rework is going to be happening but we also only know about 1 single dungeon in dt that can be no healer runned even though every single dungeon for the past like what 3 maybe 4 expansions have been like that its only become a blown up thing now

@ridzz3458

Ай бұрын

i think they could make an engaging and fun dps/heal hybrid playstyle, similar to sage but ya i agree, the ppl bitching are probably the top 10% healers and just think everyone who heals is bored, when in reality alot are either panick healing or cruising through normally in roulettes, ofc ya theres times ur bored, even when i tank(i main tanking) it can be boring in dungeons and u feel like ur just a dps getting hit by wet noodles, doesnt mean my class is boring or unengaging. just means early content and mid content is sleeper to do but the only reason its sleeper is because its not content made for me, its content made to teach newer players how to play the game/learn mechanics, Im at lvl74 content in msq now and ive seen it heavily jump in complexity in dungeons and its alot more engaging now

@jameysotelo540

Ай бұрын

@@ridzz3458 sad thing is the top 10% and probably top 590% arent the ones mainly complaining. im sure there are but a lot of the top healers aren't actually complaining they agree with somethings of the healer strike but they know that what they are complaining about aren't even technically relevant. it most likely is just the people who actively afk in limsa and don't actually play the game who is complaining. i think one person said the only downside to healers and i honestly agree is the disparity between each healer is way to massive for there to actually be good feedback and balance between all of them. the only thing i think they can do is actually force people to do the hall of the novice before sastasha so you can lessen the people who dont know how to do dps and heal and than rework the jobs to give them core aspects at lower levels before people get muscle memory into the same stuff and never learn the new stuff

It's been a while since I played 14, but I thought with each dungeon, you had to have a certain amount of classes to join before being able to even do a dungeon, like two dps. A healer and a tank. Did that change at some point.

My healer queue is gonna be peak

Oh no it will be even easier for me as a healer main to get instant queues during Dawntrail. Thanks! :D

@pedrorocha6044

Ай бұрын

cringe

@ImaTroper

Ай бұрын

​@@pedrorocha6044you are indeed cringe, yes

@antistraightmen

Ай бұрын

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Healers when I go into a duty as WAR: noooo I want to heal, let me press my healing buttons 😡😭 Healers when I go into a duty as DRK: noooo I'll have to actually press my healing buttons 😡😭

@Elvie_Takodachi

Ай бұрын

I had to heal a DRK recently and I had fun :D Pls keep playing it more often!

@KuddosKidd

Ай бұрын

I actually love when a warrior comes in BECAUSE I DONT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT YOU. I can focus on the others and just do little checks on you.

@theruinerofchats

Ай бұрын

Healers when I go into duty as a GNB: *superbolide* Healer: *Panik*

@cynthiahembree3957

Ай бұрын

As an AST main I love warrior so much makes my job easier

@lusnoct4298

Ай бұрын

As a WHM and sometimes SCH-- PLD are my favorite tanks to heal, because they need healing but won't pop. GNB are also kind of nice. WAR are kind of a toss-up as to how well they manage their CDs-- they're either immortal, or their healthbars are doing an impression of Wile E. Coyote running off of a cliff. DRK is the worst though, because they need a lot of healing and then they like to pop Living Dead either right before or right after I drop a big heal >.

I have faith that they will make healer more fun in the future, but honestly. I think healer is fine, I main WHM and PLD though, and I like to just play casually, if I wanted hardcore i'd play world of warcraft mythics or elderscrolls. I like FFXIV because of how calming it is to just jump in and play.

Love the whm weapon glam I legit thought i was the only one that used that particular glam, it matches really well with any pure white glamour dye