'dashing out of aoes, just as they land' Does this dude live next door to the servers? XD

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

LOL

@aurumvale9908

4 жыл бұрын

nono, he's got a point

I do still find it funny that Bard was originally just a Ranger, became a Bow Mage in Heavensward, became more like an actual Bard in Stormblood, and now has lost its support ranged DPS spot to Dancer. Dancer; which is ironically the more offense-based support of the two jobs in FF history.

0:01 Lazy Peon: wwwwwhaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? I don’t understand!

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

LOL. He had some fair points but his discussion wasn't nuanced enough to hold any weight.

@Hart_W

5 жыл бұрын

The fact that he took down the video because he recieved "death threats" from "the ffxiv community" speaks volumes about Peon. He deleted his tweets about it as well.

@Black.Clover5

5 жыл бұрын

iBluairJgR yeah you can also sense a little bias related from what he usually plays. You can’t help but just go, “hmmmmmmmm”??

@Runeforged

5 жыл бұрын

He’s one of those instant gratification gamers. The ones who don’t give a shit about nuance or depth, they just want to kill stuff quickly and easily. 🤷🏻‍♂️

@dazzlemasseur

5 жыл бұрын

like some he probably only played mario kart as a kid.

I freakin love this class. It's incredibly active and I hardly find myself in a situation where no procs occur. En Avant is super fun to use, too, letting you dash all over the place.. I was a DRK main ever since Heavensward and with the release of Shadowbringers, I took a leap and decided to main DNC. Really enjoyed it.I do think they kinda oversold the support aspects a bit. Yes, the support is there, but this class is firmly a DPS. My only gripe with it is that the dances feel a bit too similar to mudras in the execution of steps (although in a random order). That said, I'm not entirely sure what else they could've done to get that "feel" of a dancer... When you think about it, the concept alone is rather unorthodox.

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

I always worry that proc-based abilities won't activate enough but I haven't seen many people complaining about with DNC so as you say, there probably aren't many situations where no procs occur. As for the dancing being like mudras, you right. I'm not creative enough to be able to think of another way for them to do it though lol. Maybe dance in real life to apply dances in game?

@bryantm82004

5 жыл бұрын

I enjoy dances much more than mudra -- it's easy to screw up mudra, but dances grey out other actions making it a bit idiot proof. My issue with the class would be the procs. You have a 50% chance to proc your flourish --> 50% chance to proc a feather --> THEN ANOTHER 50% chance to proc Fan Dance III... That's three coin flips from beginning to end. It can be really frustrating hitting that 1-2 combo three or four times to get a flourish then fail to get a feather proc, just to have to start over again :/. In my opinion, Dancer's damage would be much more consistent if flourishes always produced feathers. That would also reduce RNG down to two coin flips instead of three. This is the same number of procs MCH had with their 1-> 2 -> 3 combo in Stormblood. So wonder why they thought it would be a good idea to bring it to Dancer after MCH was entirely scrapped.

@brighteagle-

5 жыл бұрын

@@bryantm82004 When you get flourish since everything procs at once you don't need to deal with the combo not procing enough. You can use it every minute and it allows you to get a bunch of fourfold feathers which you can use in between every weaponskill allowing for so much to do.It's possible to even have to do 3 fan dances in one gcd it's ridiculously fast paced. Technical step gives the entire party a damage buff and standard step gives you and your partner a damage buff. These damage buffs allow for a much higher collective party wide dps, but the personal dps of the dancer is low. Even with maximizing your dps and hitting all your procs, you will probably do less personal dps than other dps especially when they get your buff.

@bryantm82004

5 жыл бұрын

@@brighteagle- On the other end of the spectrum you can use Flourish and get 0 procs. Sometimes, I can go the full 180sec CD of Technical Step and only have 2 or 3 feathers. You can go entire AOE pulls without ever getting a single feather. Dancer's problem isn't lower personal DPS, it's inconsistent damage -- The highs are meh (but enough), but the lows are loooowwwwwww (and infuriating). It's a dice roll every time Dancer attacks and the Flourish CD does not even come close to making up for bad RNG. This is the same type of gameplay as MCH in Stormblood, people hated it, so it was completely overhauled for Shadowbringers. I love the concept of Dancer -- it has great utility and is visually stunning, but having to rely on three RNG procs to do damage feelsbadman.

@brighteagle-

5 жыл бұрын

@@bryantm82004 Dancer is perfect for this kind of RNG requirements, because it has consistent damage buffs, It ends up being a lot more of a support dps. If it does get the procs then it's damage can get decently high, but with the damage buffs it gives it's effectively gaining a much higher dps depending on the rest of the team. A team with a Dancer that doesn't get any procs would still get higher dps than a team without a dancer simply because of its buffs. When it does proc then having a dancer shows why it will be a requirement in endgame content.

As a healer trying out this class as my first fps feels great

@DeathofHeavens

5 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, Dancer is a great First Person Shooter but i find Gunbreaker and Machinist are a bit better in that department

@dazzlemasseur

5 жыл бұрын

@@DeathofHeavens lmao

@ToberryRequiem

5 жыл бұрын

Yea, I was a main healer in ARR, HW and SB, but now I'm a Dancer main, its too damn fun to put down

@SuicidalPanda2

5 жыл бұрын

I've been playing this game in third person all this time I might have to try this out in first person

@polydipsiac

5 жыл бұрын

I’m the same and I was kinda forced into trying new jobs (RIP AST) but playing a DPS class is fun even in lower level content. Like Labyrinth of the Ancients is actually fun??? Who knew? Healing through it was certainly not very interesting.

Love the review and I've been a fan of your videos for a while now. Could you tell me what mic you use for that CRISP voice?

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers fam. Glad you've been enjoying the content for a while. The microphone is the audio technica atr2100. Not too expensive but great quality. Works best with microphone stand.

I absolutely love this job!!!!!

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Gettin jiggy wit it.

Dancer is hands down my favorite. I really love how you explain the spec. I love the rotation and how it plays compared to a lot of the jobs.

Thank you so much for doing these impression videos! I have a serious problem when it comes to deciding on a main job to play... I come from a raiding background in mmo's, so even if I'm not raiding, I try to take everything into account which is really hard to do when deciding a main job because you obviously wouldn't have the experience yet to do so. Long story short, these are super helpful and I hope you keep doing them!

@PinePizza

5 жыл бұрын

Same here, I'm glad I found this channel

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Glad they're enjoyable m8. If I could do all 17 jobs in an instant I would but its still nice to slowly go on a journey learning different jobs over time.

Just a note. Improvisation generates espirit even without a partner or player standing near you, as long as you're in battle (Like AST's cards) You only need to be close if you're a healer and want buffed heals

@ayilwalker7431

5 жыл бұрын

The closer players are to you though the quicker esprit will generate

This will probably the first (and maybe only) DPS class I want to try. And the Dancer's dress looks really nice imo.

@ashathlok829

4 жыл бұрын

YOU look really nice.

I love DNC. Even played the MSQ with it. I can't get enough of buffing the shit out of people. Ever given a BLM two 5% dmg buffs plus Devilment? The feels man!

Great video

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers!

DNC was the second class I started after the release of SHB. It’s not as dps as MCH, but the buffs it gives it honestly really great. 3 different attack buffs makes the whole team extremely strong. Curing Waltz is amazing after a stack attack. And Shield Samba is great for multiple raid wide AOES.

two things he didn't talk about: Saber dance and fan dances being OGCD. Fan dances don't have very high potency but are used in between attacks, They are best used when you have technical step and devilment's buffs up while combined with flourish to use your most powerful weapon skills while rushing out fan dances in between GCD on normal skills, it's possible to use 3 fan dances: fan dance 1 - 3 - 1 if you get the proc and if you don't you can do two fan dance 1s. As for saber dance which I don't think he mentioned how the esprit gauge works at all. Standard step allows you and your team mate to generate esprit on a chance with every skill that successfully does damage, Technical step makes it so your entire party gets this buff as well allowing you to generate esprit incredibly fast. The esprit is then used on Saber dance, dancers most powerful weaponskill at 600 potency.

@xlightninghawk6360

5 жыл бұрын

its true what you said, except that Saber dance is on the gcd

@trueblueclue

5 жыл бұрын

I think the best part of this is storing up 4 charges of fan dances. No real dps loss between boss transitions.

I picked Bard for my main because I love playing support but don't like healing. I'm going to give Dancer a look now thanks to this.

Good video and discussion with your friend. I'm personally still not all that interested in the job; but I'm now kind tempted to give BRD another go (stopped around lvl 40 in Stormblood) since a lot of points about the DNC's RNG were brought up. The change to Repertoire price is nice as well as a few other QoL stuff; but the lack of RNG now on MCH (I didn't really mind what little there was before Shadowbringers) has made me spoiled and it's still my second favorite DPS in the game.

@Skyztamer

5 жыл бұрын

nvm; I still don't quite like BRD :( So... maybe I'll give DNC a try in the future (I still don't like the procs and the DoTs + songs mechanics; but they are at least slightly more tolerable now).

I've really fallen in love with this class. Interesting to hear you say it has the lowest dps of dps classes. I've been fuqin wrecking with my Dancer.

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

It's surprising how low its personal DPS is but the buffs it dishes out make up for it.

@DarkmonstaR

5 жыл бұрын

It indeed does have the lowest dps of all dps class.

@themerovingian4252

5 жыл бұрын

Then you're playing with REALLY shitty people.

Dancer Principal Skinner: Whew. Superintendent, I hope you're ready for a mouthwatering Devilment!

My buddy is playing DNC and loves it. I'm pre-occupied with GNB, DRK, RDM, WHM and SCH leveling before DNC tbh. Still a cool job just not for me.

Can you do summoner next ?

Me personally? I love this film.

Do you do extreme and Savage wiv that camera angle if you do thats mad but i do like how you have the camera like that looks clean cool looking

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

It depends on the fight. Some mechanics obstruct the view too much to stay zoomed out far. For example, the final boss in the Amaurot dungeon has mechanics that are easier to read while zoomed out far but the final boss in Akadaemia Anyder isn't as big of a deal.

I love dancer. Really fun.

The best thing about dancer is the JOHN FUCKING MADDEN that happens when you have feathers and unleash Flourish and basically spam doubleweave skills nonstop for a while.

Most beautiful job in game so elegant

I like it so far and the ability to boost the dps and increase the healers potential healing is an insanely good support to the team. I wish more dnc would understand that.

Hey iBluair JgR, any chance you've decided to run your own dancer to 80 now? I'm curious what your take is on it now. at 80 with 450+ gear I tend to break the curve and do some pretty decent DPS along with enhancing my group, love this class/job and it's movement!

@iBluairJgR

4 жыл бұрын

I still haven't gotten around to leveling it (it's been sitting at 60 for a while lol). I do want to level it for the sake of completion but I'm probably going to save it for last.

I'm not familiar with how the parsers that some players use work, but given the supportive nature of this class' buffs, combined with lower personal dps, makes dps meters insufficient to gauge the the job's total contribution to an encounter.

@piedpiper1172

5 жыл бұрын

ZenMorph FFlogs can estimate your raid dps contribution.

As a blm main I had to level dancer after seeing the ridiculous amount of DPS the can give me as their dance partner. It's incredible. Just started leveling one now that the blm and whm are geared and honestly it's really really fun.

Had a 60 raid with all but 2 dancer dps. Mass spam aoe! Very smooth raid.

@amiablereaper

5 жыл бұрын

Dance Dance Decimation

Rather than RDM, I'd compare it to old MCH, but how it should have been done with the procs being a sideways bonus path instead of the actual primary "combo". EDIT: Also, he says En Avant lets you dash forward, but just remember that if you're using a controller or the keyboard movement style that actually faces the way you're pressing (aka no backpedaling) then you can use it to dash in 8 directions. Also to be clear, Standard Step only buffs you and your dance partner, the way he worded it around 9:28 made it sound like both dances buff everyone.

Im thinking expert groups are going to include 1 DNC and 1 NIN. Trick attack is off cooldown twice as often and offers a bigger damage bump but the additional 5% from tech step is nice. Devilment + battle littany also turn DRG into a crit monster

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

DNC + DRG seems insane.

"leveling in ffxiv takes time".... Greatest under statement in gaming history 🤣

I'm trying to decide because all the classes are so fun and right now I'm torn between being a dancer or Samurai.

This is honestly the funnest job I've played on this game! I've heard it has the lowest dps out of all of the dps jobs, but I don't care. It's so dynamic and exciting!

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Nice. With all the damage buffs it gives, it probably evens out.

@iResonate

5 жыл бұрын

@@viisovari4544 oh I completely understand. I think I hit pretty nicely as DNC honestly, but yeah since it's so buff heavy it has to have some kind of caveat. But the numbers don't matter to me (I play on ps4 anyway) the job is just to fun to play!

@miltonpitts4185

5 жыл бұрын

iResonate I say it’s like a ninja

@terencecaron2922

5 жыл бұрын

like most not straightforward classes, if you play bad, you dps bad. When players realize a dancer spends a lot of time preparing and not dpsing (cause its burst dps) they think the dps is bad.

Dancer is incredibly fun to play once you wrap your head around it. Its personal DPS may be low according to FFLOGS, but consider that it's damage is really shared by two jobs. And when you pull off Standard Step......WHAM! Health bars melt.

@Amocoru

5 жыл бұрын

It's definitely low. You will be very behind other single target DPS but you're also buffing them considerably so there's that.

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

@TheMorrigan I think I might be too selfish to play DNC. I want all the buffs for myself lol

@chris41952

5 жыл бұрын

@@Amocoru All of the DPS jobs are within about 2K if of one another. That's not awful, or even what I would consider REALLY LOW even for the Dancer being at the bottom of the DPS heap. Considering the utility the job brings with the permanent buff on its partner, a 20 second group buff, a heal, a shield, and an unbelievably fun play style, Dancer is still well worth your time. All the DPS jobs look to be in a pretty good spot (except for SMN, which some players are complaining about being too lengthy a build up.) All the tanks are VERY close this time around. Pick your flavor. AST might need some work in the healer category, but numbers wise, I see nothing to complain about.

@chris41952

5 жыл бұрын

@@iBluairJgR That's the beauty of it; you get them too😁

I stopped playing awhile back and started with bdo. Any recommendations for good servers to play on?

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Any data center in your area that's accepting members / has friends on it.

How did you get your camera to look like that at the start???

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Just lock the camera onto the target. For “lock camera to target”, it’s in keybinds under movement. During normal gameplay I don’t use the slow turn speed for the camera.

@fredxu99

5 жыл бұрын

@@iBluairJgR Thx man! Looks much more exciting than the static centered cam 👍

Dancer looks good, feels good to play, feels good to play alongside, and generally makes for an interesting class, but the real reason I'm leveling this class is- Raana

I'm sad that they took a lot of the Bard's utility. I love my bard but now it feels like Bards are the worst of the 3. Machinist is great at damage, dancer is great for utility and bard is just kind of there.

the DNC dashing out of the Aoe is most accurate

dance partner buff in pug = free commendation :)

I had zero interest in Dancer until I decided to just do the quest to get it out of the way. It's fun, simple, looks good, and extremely well put together in my opinion. I would at least try it if you still haven't.

I really love the way it plays, but it feels so weak, it's sad. I know it relies on buffing the team/partner but still. Praying for a buff in 5.1

Summoner! Please :3

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

I want to do Summoner eventually.

@Symphiney

5 жыл бұрын

iBluairJgR yeah wait a while to do summoner. it’s in a really bad spot fun-wise and i’m sure the devs will make it better to play soon; like they did in stormblood.

♡

RIP Bard

@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668

5 жыл бұрын

What changed with BRD? I haven't picked it up in a while.

It's still weird that i rarely met any dancer at all on my dungeon and trial run. From 70-80 i probably only met like 4 in dungeon. And none in savage raids.

@icewolf6062

5 жыл бұрын

Mr. Wolf since it’s new people might still be figuring it out and where it fits in. Once it’s a little more seasoned it’ll either be part of the meta and seen a lot or people decide it doesn’t fit in

@bigj2105

5 жыл бұрын

It does start at 60, so a lot of people are probably leveling still and behind the majority of players making their way to 70.

@pzzza

5 жыл бұрын

@@bigj2105 that's why it's weird, I met a lot of GNB. Even though they both start at lvl 60.

@Zora147

5 жыл бұрын

People probably realized its damage is terrible and re-rolled ASAP.

@bryantm82004

5 жыл бұрын

@@Zora147 Single Target damage on dancer (AOE's OK) is really bad.. Damage may stabilize if flourishes always proc'd feathers.

i just hit 80 DNC and what i got out of this is i need to level MCH

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

LOL. Nice.

Thanks for taking the time to get this class explained, now I can recommend this video to my friend who has been bitching about how Bard got nerfed and dancer looks too weird.

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Ha, cheers. Thanks for watching m8.

@seanfeezor4575

5 жыл бұрын

iBluairJgR I shared the video with my buddy and he went and unlocked the dancer right away. Thanks again for all the great content.

dancer is good for pvp tbh, dash in dash out and dash all around

How to activate that fight field of view?

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Lock camera to target. Its listed under movement in the keybinds section.

DNC single target DPS is lacking, which is to be expected as they regain some of that DPS through their support. I fully believe that single target needs a buff though, perhaps a DoT or something to help ease out the trough when RNG decides not to be your friend. As it stands, DNC does more DPS on their AoE rotation on TWO+ targets, as their single target is only 50 potency more per attack than their AoE counterparts. The class is a lot of fun, but coming out of a flourish with no procs feels really bad, and it happens enough to be noticible. I've come out of my 20s opener with >15k dps, and

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

That's a huge variance in DPS from the proc randomness-damn.

@squeey

5 жыл бұрын

@@iBluairJgR sadly that is what happens when you have this much RNG plus a 1500 potency skill on a 2 min cooldown. If you get a lucky 122k directcrit, plus some nice procs, you end up rolling in the DPS. On the flip side, it is entirely possible you don't get a single fan proc in your opener, even with flurish, and get terrible espirit generation during technical finish that returns trash tier DPS.

10/10 can Dab and Dash

I'm glad DNC got added tbh. I main MNK but the addition of this class made me really wanna play again and I normally hate support

Waiting for ninja ;)

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

The way of the weeb will call to me eventually lol. Ninja has always been one of my favorites.

Dancers fun but not my style I like tanking mainly big weapons . Like DRK and WAR

I'll never understand how they get these frame rates

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

60fps and up? PC master race.

@croncastle3028

5 жыл бұрын

@@iBluairJgRtrust me I get that all the time, looks REAAAAAALLY smooth in videos

@themerovingian4252

5 жыл бұрын

I'm running 100fps on an ultrawide monitor in "2k". It's not hard.

See for me I was going to play dancer throughout the main story I even got her to 70. But fof RPG reasons I didn't. Which kind of surprised me, since I never cared about that type of thing

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

I suppose it would feel a bit weird to bust a move on the main story bad guys.

@donovanridley1146

5 жыл бұрын

iBluairJgR I didn’t have that problem. My dude was putting the moves on all the lightwardens and ya boi Emet

I need a way to macro a response to being marked as a dance partner. That way whenever I play monk, I can say “SHOW ME YAH MOVES!!!” Whenever I’m marked

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Ha. I think you'd have to trigger something like that manually. But just make a macro with /p "SHOW ME YAH MOVES!!!!" so you can click it whenever someone chooses you to dance with.

Dancer is really fun to play but I think the person describing it may have misinformed about how the dances work. When you do standard step, you give yourself and your dance partner a 5% damage buff for the 60 second duration and it DOES stack if someone has multiple dance partners. With technical step it gives everyone that same buff but for 20 seconds which stacks on top of standard step.

@riakitsune2762

5 жыл бұрын

It won't stack standard unless there both dnc the closed position will show for both but you can't stack standards buff unless both are dnc

Dancer is Bard but more fun It's kinda funny that I went through all of Shadowbringers with DNC and you both don't even want to touch it

@Hesser745

5 жыл бұрын

Because people have preferences? I could've gone through ShB as a PLD, but i'm not a tank main and don't enjoy the class. The same applies here, I levelled up Dancer for the purposes of this video, i've cleared both extremes as said class, and intend to raid in Eden as one, doesn't mean i'll do MSQ as it. I even explain why in the video, at length.

@ItsElectrode

5 жыл бұрын

@@Hesser745 calm down buddy

I like my classes to have a healthy amount of abilities but GNB and Dancer have too many for me. Not that it's difficult to do the rotations but I'd rather be looking and watching the fight rather than looking at all my abilities

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

That's understandable. I have that trouble with Machinist a lot. Since I don't main it, I have to look at the Hotbars a lot.

Dancer needs a better combat sound effects.. It's too quiet.

@PumpkinHeadLemure

5 жыл бұрын

That's my only complaint with it right now.

@bryantm82004

5 жыл бұрын

They need to make it so the dancer doesn't yell like a warrior when they are dancing... that would be nice...

@jhunjun123

5 жыл бұрын

Although I agree, it makes up for it’s flashyness.

@ToberryRequiem

5 жыл бұрын

Nah, music out in the world is too beautiful to be over clouded with sound effects

Technically Kaiten + Kaeshi:Setsugekka is the highest potency ability with 1,800 but back on to dancer for anyone who wants a Bard like class with support roles i feel so use full and team mates love me for the buffs pair a dancer with a dragoon and you got some serious damage. I feel like dancer is fluid even the procs feel okish however i feel super useful to my team and feel like while my damage is not high, their damage is super high.

@Demorid

5 жыл бұрын

Kaeshi: Setsugekka isn't affected by kaiten so it's still only 1200 potency.

@TheZurc1996

5 жыл бұрын

Like someone said Kaeshi: Setsugekka is indeed an ability not a weapon skill so Kaiten does not affect it but that would've been awesome lol

@ironhammer500

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheZurc1996 Ah i see my mistake thank you for clearing that up well, now i know i can save 20 kenki. So yea Dancer highest potency damage skill also would being ranged weight to a higher damage? I.E more attack damage to skills.

Female Roe Dancer main.

Can I just say your voice 🤤🤤🤤

@super-engineer8437

5 жыл бұрын

Creep..

Have to say, this guy is making the class seem far more complicated than it is. It's by far, without a doubt, the simplest DPS class in the game to play.

@warshade2029

4 жыл бұрын

Naw that's RDM

Ryan has good taste in leveling dancer

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

I'll relay the message ;p

Just started tanking with gunblade! First time tanking ever lol

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

Nice. Hope ya like it.

Ive been put off by dancer because your dancing lol. But 1500 potency and crit for 100k like wtf. Hits more then a limit break lol.

It takes time, sure. But not very much.

@dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668

5 жыл бұрын

Back when I started levelling other jobs, I could go from 1-50 in 3 days. And the bulk of it was waiting fro. 1-16 to do dungeons. That was before I knew PotD was a thing

Do ninja next

Dancer is very fun, it just needs more abilities

@marks2807

5 жыл бұрын

Seems like this class was made for people using controllers. You know how some classes almost require a keyboard because they have just too many abilities.

@ToberryRequiem

5 жыл бұрын

More abilities? Nah its good the way it is, its flows so good

@terencecaron2922

5 жыл бұрын

Would be curious to see how you play, cause theres a ton of things to do with whats there.

Wasn't Lazy Peon just bitching about FFXIV, yet here he is making videos on FFXIV? I mean, if he doesn't like the game (which was overly clear in his exaggerated statements of how much he doesn't) , whatever, but now his voice just sounds like whiny screeching to me whenever he says anything about the game. You do you, though.

"On the surface it's simple". What ? I spent about 2 hrs with the class and from the 5 first minutes, it didn't seem "simple" at all. There's a lot of different combos, and they change all the time.

All i heard was lowest dps.

@marks2807

5 жыл бұрын

I heard the same, but it has so many buffs it is almost required in groups.

@nemeanlioness

5 жыл бұрын

@@marks2807 thats good but bard was like that previous expac. This time i just want pure ranged dps. Tried dnc, just not for me. Trying out mch and blm, see which feels best.

@marks2807

5 жыл бұрын

I know, but they also took some buffs away from Bard, and uped the bards damage. They clearly want the dancer to be the buffer.

@misterturkturkle

5 жыл бұрын

Technical finish is 1500 potentcy

DNC is a fun class... idk about ur cohost but I've put out huge dmg even stealing aggro off the tank. I'd say give the class a try up until 70/72 then make ur judgement call

@yusunakayu

5 жыл бұрын

You won't even parse above 4 at level 80 though, but yeah at lower levels it does good dps. Endgame however it has the lowest pdps of all the dps classes.

@jwillthenupe

5 жыл бұрын

@@yusunakayu ohh ok thanks for the info I main rdm but been having fun with dnc.

@lenny567l

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah in my group you do even less then ninja but you boost everyone else's so there is plus

@yusunakayu

5 жыл бұрын

@@jwillthenupe yeah I've been maining dnc so far just finished off my gear, it's fun but I think I'll go back to SMN

@bryantm82004

5 жыл бұрын

@@yusunakayu Unfortunately, I think a lot of people will follow this mindset. The damage numbers are too low for only giving out a 5% partner buff (standard step) and a 20s 5% raid buff/10% partner buff (technical step).

I don't understand the whole idea of "support" DPS... kinda goes against the whole idea of what a DPS is meant to be. Being a DPS that is designed to do low damage for the sake of buffing others is not a good design for a DPS job imo. All DPS should be balanced as equally as possible and that in turn brings a level of competition that is fun but when you know that your damage is fundamentally hindered by design and the fact that SAM/BLM do 2-k more than you just because they are their job and you're just a DNC... all competition goes out the window . Not only that but if you want to play DPS and do high damage you are essentially funneled into those jobs just because they have a handicap just for being the job itself rather than the player skill. Also, imagine being a new player and unlocking DNC at some point and leveling it only to later realize you're really a Support class... time wasted. It's almost like they need a new role just called support(this is not healer) that is focused on buffing the party and maybe debuffing the enemies without a focus on high damage. TL;DR: A DPS job that is not meant to do high damage on par with other jobs should not be called DPS, it goes against what a DPS should be and brings no competition amongst DPS players.

@Zora147

5 жыл бұрын

@Senshi It has been dubbed support DPS by the community, as far the game is concerned there is: Melee DPS Ranged Physical DPS Ranged Magic DP A new player coming from a different MMO, say WoW where there is no such thing as support DPS, would pick a job that they think looks cool only to later possible find out they picked DNC and have the lowest damage by design and not skill cause they are "support" DPS all the while thinking they picked a pure DPS class and hoping that with enough skill they would be competitive. I got a friend that just started playing that is disappointed to find out the job he leveled, Ninja, has been historically doing low damage because they are considered "support".

@xenrusxenomorph2268

5 жыл бұрын

Zora147 I think in a sense that while it is support, it had a role other than just dealing damage. It is resource and bettering the team. It’s support but it’s like a rally class as well. It’s meant to help others with damage and feel rewarding in weaving in and out for those high fluid movements. Support DPS is unique and I think in time if stats really mattered then he would change class. If he didn’t change them it’s evident the class is still fun despite the lowered damage.

@iBluairJgR

5 жыл бұрын

@Zora147 I've always been mildly annoyed that FFXIV's devs aren't willing to create a genuine support role so that role gets crammed onto ranged physical DPS for all the reasons you stated, though I do understand why they don't. The game would have to be restructured if they did. I don't think it hurts the game too much but you last point about new players being disappointed to find out that dancer leans more on supporting and buffs than individual damage could be frustrating.

@cnotakufromus

5 жыл бұрын

Dancer and most other ranged support classes intended to have lower dps because of how easy they play and how good their buff is. Higher dps like monk, summoner, samurai and blm needs lots of practices and knowledges to optimize their dps in savage raid.