I was running this saw for about 2 hours at about a 30-50% duty cycle kzread.infoUgkxfQm1wmg0ItKDLavxj1nXtQY9HP7EF504 and it did a great job. I used the lever for the built in sharpener to clear chip buildup out more than to actually sharpen the chain. It managed to cut some hardwood stumps much larger than it's size without bothering the neighbors with hours of 2 stroke noise.

This is a result of not just 17 years of experience, but the result of continual learning and improving. Mastering your craft is what was shown. Thanks very much.

@edialbert8035

3 жыл бұрын

💯

@deplorablepatriot8605

3 жыл бұрын

Since Jed learned this from somebody else, who probably learned it from somebody else, this is much, MUCH more than 17 years of experience...

Time has an inverse relationship to speed. Twice the speed is half the time. The Jed chain cut in 55% of the original time, so is 1/.55=1.82. 82% faster, and presuming the same downward force during cutting, 45% less wear on the saw engine, bar, oil use, etc. Also safer if it will hold that sharpness between sharpening. I am a 58 year old engineer who is afraid of heights, which is why I DON’T cut trees. Good work guys!

@maxwebster7572

4 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't say afraid of heights....It is being aware of risk factors and potential outcomes.

@user-bc3pc5gu2y

4 жыл бұрын

Depending on if you are pruning the trees, or felling them. As an engineer you should be very good at determining the fall angel and doing it safely. Safest place to cut trees is from the ground, without reguard to a fear of heights. So knock your self out (just as long as you don't let the tree knock you out!)

@PBMS123

4 жыл бұрын

@@maxwebster7572 It's not afraid of heights, but rather afraid of falling. I'm fine in a plan looking out and down, or in a high rise building, but fuck me my heart jumps on the roof of a 1 story building.

@sewallhickman8264

3 жыл бұрын

I don't do heights either my friend. May as well shoot me

@johnthomasson5076

3 жыл бұрын

Just remember. It's not the fall that hurts. It's that sudden stop. Unless your hitting branches on the way down.

I been round filing saw chains for 40 years now and never seen chainsaw filing like this, very impressive, thanks for sharing.

@kevinmruel5528

3 жыл бұрын

I've heard of it

@gk5106

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinmruel5528 cool want a cookie?

@matthewbolin3106

3 жыл бұрын

Where can I get one of those files

@NeilPBrady

3 жыл бұрын

62 years old, never saw this. Never to old to learn. I used 5 cord per winter heating my house in the CO mountains. For years. Now I know something to pass on to next generation.

@lukeruggiero1894

3 жыл бұрын

@Avory Williams madsens shop and supply look em up!

Jed is an awesome humble guy . That's rare these days . Hats off brother

@metuiselacamanadredre2107

Жыл бұрын

We will miss you Jed 😢

@rapodejko

2 ай бұрын

RIP Jed. The man loved his craft.

RIP Jed. Thanks Brother, I have learned so much from you.

RIP Jed, you are loved & missed dearly.

I've been around a chainsaw my whole life I live in Northern New Hampshire as an arborist and certified logger I have never seen a square file technique before very impressive thank you

@cheekcj

4 жыл бұрын

Joe Sargent just don’t rock it or your in trouble.

@jmpsthrufyre

4 жыл бұрын

@@cheekcj Rock as in? Rock the saw? Hit a rock? File it wrong? I'm guessing hit a rock would damage or destroy easier?

@cheekcj

4 жыл бұрын

Jmpsthrufyre * 665 years ago yes exactly. Chisel bit will get your chain sharp as shit but if you so much as touch a rock your chain is history and back to sharping you go. I was always a round file guy for bumping knots or cutting firewood.

@curtisneill2007

3 жыл бұрын

"Certified logger" you are not my good sir. Come out west and I'll show you loggers

@mytech6779

2 жыл бұрын

@@jmpsthrufyre neither is better than the other at resisting rocks. As far as rock contact is concerned these angles and edge strength differences are insignificant. The main difference is in the action of the side cutter which only comes into effect when the tooth has penetrated into the wood, which it does not do with rock.

Never met the man, I always appreciated his expertise and guidance . I miss him and will always remember him. Thank you for your videos and for bringing him to us . ❤

Ya, us old men work smarter not harder. I do mostly eastern hard woods. I'm no master, but i've been paid to do this stuff for several decades. You guys keep teaching me stuff i didn't know or was taught wrong. Keep on getting er done!

@hbmoore7803

3 жыл бұрын

Eastern hardwoods, makes me think if i dip my bar n a hard piece of hickory it may brake the end of the tooth off but it may not could b razor sharp for the first cut and need sharpened by the next tree... but regardless thats still pretty cool

@michaelfriedrich3850

3 жыл бұрын

I’m no master either, but been around awhile. My dad toyed with square filling for a time. My perspective is, kinda like a full chisel chain vs a semi chisel chain. One is gonna dull faster in dirty wood. In life things get dirty. Gotta go with what will stand the test of time. Speed is nice, but slow and steady gets it’s done😊

@carolynwilbur1627

3 жыл бұрын

I think i could cut that cookie faster than they did with semi chisel and a round filing anyway

You can really see right in Jed’s heart at the end of this video. He was such a humble dude it’s not even funny

Madsens catalog shows - Vallorbe 7" triangular chisel file. It is Swiss made. There is a German made Pferd 3-Corner Square Chisel-Bit Chainsaw File. If this helps anyone.

@AlexSwan

4 жыл бұрын

eadelfin Vallorbe is the go. Generally the longest lasting.

@wesleycallison2079

4 жыл бұрын

Yes thanks!

@botfoblhrp

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you

@curtisneill2007

3 жыл бұрын

Chisle bit files take actual skill to file with.. which he doesn't have by the way he holds the file and how much pressure he puts on it... oh and the fact he's not using a chisle file lol

@christopherw4527

3 жыл бұрын

@@curtisneill2007 Where is your video hotshot?

I'm not a professional wood worker, but we own a bit of woods and I've had my fair share of hours in my life with chain saws, tractors, winches and stuff, and on a very bad, steep terrain too. I've had some professional lesions and certifications done on stuff too. And let me tell you! These guys more than obviously know their stuff. Well done! You make great content.

What a humble bastard, The guy has learned from others and takes no credit, but he is teaching us so that's also admirable. Great video.

I learned as a young machinist to grind very sharp angles on drills that would definitely cut a few fast holes. However, the sharp angled chisel edges would not endure more than a couple holes. I would like to see you compare your "sharpest" chain to a new chain for how long it will cut effectively. Otherwise, I respect your skills, experience and creative experimentation.

@joshlower1

Жыл бұрын

They dull no faster than any other chain.

I would change his name from Jed to Jedi. Yoda: A true master this one is.

@jcrackerjcrack6401

3 жыл бұрын

Inbred Jedi, where's the shirt ?

@2eyedjack433

3 жыл бұрын

Mmmhh.. fast your chainsaw cuts!

@curtisneill2007

3 жыл бұрын

The triangle file is the worst way to sharpen square ground chains and takes the least amount of skill. Look up sharping with a chisel bit file and you'll see real art

@jcrackerjcrack6401

3 жыл бұрын

@@curtisneill2007 it's the easiest to learn? Would starting with the triangle file hinder the harder techniques later in your opinion?

RIP Jed. Great video from two professionals.

A pleasure to listen and watch Jed at work. Thank you.

My assimption is that it’s a combination of being easier to manufacture, easier for a hobbies to do themselves, and safer for the hobbies because it bites less. Like a firearm is generally sold with a heavy trigger so the inexperienced don’t make fatal mistakes. An intentionally worse chain limits risk for us simpletons, plus I can sharpen it myself with a 12 dollar file angle tool

I watch this about once every 2 months. Still amazing. Keep up the great work guys.

I love all your videos but this one had exceptional attention to detail, which is SO vital for this type of video. Thank you for taking the time to ask questions and also have Jed elaborate on certain things.

Dude! This was the best series on sharpening! Thank you so much!!

Jed seems like such an interesting and cool guy to talk to and hangout with.

It is a solemn occasion to look back at this vid andall that Jed brought to our industry. Truly a master of our craft and an inspiration to the rest of us.

Rest in peace Jed. Great Video . Thanks again for all the how to Videos Jake. God Bless you.

One of the best sharpening videos I've seen ! Great job !

@curtisneill2007

3 жыл бұрын

You people blow my mind

Good job guys. I've been teaching square sharpen with a triangle file for 20+ years. When you live it daily, you'll find the best way. Thumbs up!

I don't work with a chainsaw every day but fairly often and thought I could do a pretty good job keeping the chain cutting well. Prided myself on being able to get my saws to work well to get the job done. I'd be embarrassed if either one of these guys asked to see me sharpen a chain now that I've watched this video. There are guys "in the trade" and know their craft. Then there are the guys are totally "next level" craftsman that work at being the best. This is clearly an example of two guys that are taking it to the next level. One guy is stepping out of his comfort zone to do something different and proves that it works and the other one is open minded enough to see something new and be amazed at how well it works....all the while "flying in the face" of industry standards! Great video!!!

This is the man every greenhorn needs with them. Suck up the knowledge and the know how. Once again awesome video!

That's the best explanation I've ever seen on how to manually sharpen a chain. First thing tomorrow guess what I'll be doing? This is another reason why I give the thumbs up for these videos.

That is unbelievable. I've been sharpening my new chains for years because they just aren't that good but I will trying a square file and get my skills dialed in. Thanks again for the awesome info.

That was absolutely awesome!! Thanks for taking the time to work the math out, excellent video.

Aaron Rodgers is incredibly good at filing chainsaw chains.

@joshmccabe477

3 жыл бұрын

Why do you say that??

@henningquast8456

3 жыл бұрын

@@joshmccabe477 Because the guy filing looks a little like Rodgers?!

@ForrestGump1212

3 жыл бұрын

@@henningquast8456 He doesn't look like Aaron Rodgers at all >.

@OrdnanceTV

3 жыл бұрын

If y'all don't see the resemblance between Jed and A. Rod I hope you don't have a driver's license.

@henningquast8456

3 жыл бұрын

@@OrdnanceTV Right, Jed was his name. thx

One of the best how to with a start with "New" brilliant explanations of the processes .

Jed’s square Filing technique is a worm hole in time about a different dimension on such a absolutely amazing way to file your saw, takes Filing to another Level, you’re tree work videos are truly & utterly brilliant. Stay Safe ~ Climb Safe ~ Work Safe. 🇬🇧🇺🇸🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇺🇸🇬🇧🇺🇸

This explanation is OUTSTANDING! Stock chain is round filed in hopes the average guy can duplicate it. On a one time use or a a few times, so what? When you do this all day WOW! It makes a ton of difference!

You guys are awesome & humble on top of it. Thanks for sharing all the knowledge.

Awesome that you guys are so passionate about your craft. Thank you for this. Keep up the great work.

Every pad of paper in the world has ink marks at the top from trying to get a pen to work.

ive been sharpening for years and i just learned so much. Thank you

Absolutely awesome videos! I just found you guys yesterday and have now subscribed! I fall trees for firewood for my own use in my house and I thought I knew quite a bit about falling and sharpening..... You guys have proven me wrong. I am learning so much. I can't wait to get back out and fall some more trees next week and try some of your techniques! I bought a new Husqvarna 572XP last week and love it but I can't wait to try it with the gullet filed out of the chain! Keep up the fantastic work with these videos! So much good information.

By far the best and most informative video on filing ive seen. God bless you for making this video. 👊

This is like low budget chainsaw sex cam ....... thanks for helping me through my coronavirus boredom .. cheers from Ohio bros

@rik8508

3 жыл бұрын

You have a great nickname mate

Awesome comparison & very informative. Thanks for sharing. I used to be a lumberjack in the early 80's when I was about 18yrs old for a few years. I still have my climbing spikes & the JD55EV/ECHO CS-550EVL I used as a limbing saw one handed up in the tree. A lot heavier than the little ECHO 2511's they have out now...

My 5 year old son LOVES your videos!!! Keep up the great work guys!!

You guys are cool. Buckin Billy taught me about the gullet and has made a huge improvement for me. I'm stoked to try that square file. Been cuttin for 26 years and "stihl" learnin. Thank you for sharing with the community

Excellent, Very Comprehensive and Very Thorough proving the theory right through to timeing the difference !! Thanks Guys ! Youre at the Top of your Game !!

In all my years running saw I've never tried this. Can't wait to try it now though. Thanks for sharing! 👍👍

Greetings from the U.K! Great vid too, love to see a different take on sharpening 👌👌👌

“I’m no good at math, yea that’s why we do trees” 🤣 Epic Love the Icons in the window ledge ☦️

@jungsomewhat

4 жыл бұрын

Yep go with the flow, if you get lemons make lemonade....😏

@user-bc3pc5gu2y

4 жыл бұрын

Best not to be good at math, especially if you cut to sell fire wood. Everytime i figure out how many pieces of log in a cord and how much that comes to a piece i am like "what the fuck is the point". It is like someone had a pocket full of quarters and went on a hike through the forest. A couple of days going through the forest and i have collected, well less than i would have doing anything else and without all the equipment. I guess you gotta love the work. Which i do.

@alejandrogrey5838

3 жыл бұрын

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Man I never wanted to try my own square filing but now I'm going to thanks guys this was a great video

I cut timber for almost 40 years. For the most part I used the square chain it just cuts faster and smoother.And if you are getting paid by the inch or piece it makes a difference in the pay check.When I first worked in the woods I started on the landing. We all used round chain, it’s easier to fill and seems to work better in dirty wood. Great video guys

Wow, what a difference! I can't believe that it made that big of a difference. Looks like I might switch to square filing. Thanks for the video, guys!

the amount of wisdom in this video is amazing thanks!!

I recently built a chainsaw mill and I am so excited to try this. The thought of it taking half the time makes my back happy. Cheers guys.

@Mike-su8si

2 жыл бұрын

Mine was a little sore from cutting the other day

Inbred's a legend. I'm gonna go out and try to sq file me an older chain. Whoo hoo! Thanks, Jed. Thanks, G of Tree!

I bought a new chain once that was a square file chain and it was insane how good it cut. I bought a square file looked into how to sharpen one and couldn’t get the angles right had to break out the round file and round file it. Man I should get another one and really learn how to sharpen one they are awesome. Very good demonstration on how to sharpen one.

ive had the 500i here in australia for a few months. its unreal! thank you for making these videos

I will definitively try this sharpening method! Good tutorial. Thanks!!

Fantastic video. Can’t thank you enough for sharing your skills.

The Rainman of Sharpening Chains !..Great job guys!!

Amazing video Jed is an amazing guy. Love you guys ❤💪🏾

The camera angles and close ups..... Spot on!

HAHA, I was just at Madsens today, 2020-04-23, to pick up a chain for my Stihl 044. Turns out they are running a BOGO sale on chain, so I got two for the price of one.

Watched this video a year or so ago and finally decided to try square filing (because my round file was missing) and I'm amazed. Cool stuff.

I LOVE Madsens Saw Shop! I use to go in there every month & buy a new bundle of White Oz work gloves, when I was hauling logs. Now that I drive dump truck, I don't go through more than a few pair of work gloves per year.

Filing with your round file gullet removal method right now on my Husky 261 with 20 inch bar, Pennsylvania firewood saw. I always use a guide for the top plate. I run the Still chains for hardwoods. Good advice from professionals, thank you.

Damn! I love this!! Totally new concept for me. I must try the square cut.

Great Job Jed, great Knowledge

That’s awesome guys. Love your guys channel

great!! keep teaching! i love it! need more about info about chains and sharpening . great job!

G'day from Australia! AWESOME vid mate. From now on... first thing when I get a new chain... I'm going to Inbred Jed sharpen it! Great work guys. You're ACES!!

I know absolutely nothing about cutting down trees. What I do know is...these guys are ultimate pros and are passionate about their craft. I enjoy watching these guys in action.

This is just amazing speed increase using the square file method. Nice work guys too. .

Jedi is the man!!! Great channel guys keep it up. Now I gotta get me a 6 sided file.

Really enjoyed see options for sharpening, THANKS!

Love your videos Brother’s! Absolutely awesome!

I may have been sharpening square chain wrong my whole career! Gonna give this a try for sure!

Jed is a pleasure to watch work his magic hes on another level

Wondered what the hype was about square grind. You two guys just laid it out and perfectly clear. I'll be ordering some files. Thanks

@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792

3 жыл бұрын

Cool! Also check out my latest video I show how to do this on a chain grinder :)

Us Australian....:"Aussies" have a lot of hardwood to cut and keep us warm...great video to share you're knowledge I'm going to give it a go on my Stihl.... Thx for great sharing

OK these guys are good My new favourite channel

You guys are great. Just a couple of normal tree cutters showing extremely great information

So much fun to watch and learn from both you guys. Just got a new dog for the farm called him .....Jed He comes out with me when I work and loves the chainsaw. It's not a good day if we haven't cut anything Cheers from NZ

The last comment made I didn't finish. Filing the rakers more might help now. After the time starts going up the rakers are too short- but you won't know untill that how much is to be gained. Wood expands when a chip is cut away. On a woodmiser the set is adjusted for log dia so maybe here the raker height higher or lower would do something . That big chip has to be gotten out, needs room to carried away and not jam up the blade. Slowing it and causing wobbly cuts.Any saw racers must know all about this, but this is race secrets so they probably wouldn' t tell.That leading edge of the tooth is everything, mostly. Great vid.Thanks.

I need to pick up a square file. Awesome information guys!

The sound is so good in these at 4 am i keep throwing my earphone out thinking the dogs knocking tools over in the other room. Haha. Thanks guys another cool video

Man that bark box sounds awesome!! Can’t wait till westcoast saws comes up with something for the 395! Great video brotha! Stay safe out there.

@guiltyoftreesoneastsidetre4792

4 жыл бұрын

Me too!

That was Just AMAZING!!!

Jed..has open my mind how to sharp a good chain...

Luv this channel from australia thanks

Wow. That’s really interesting. I am definitely going to experiment with this style of filing.

I know an old school timber faller from the NW who just used a basic flat file. He said it worked good enough for him. I know of another faller who would check the sharpness of his chain by running/cutting a playing card over the cutter. I used an Oregon 510 for my rakers and the Maxx for the cutters and gullets. I cut where there is a lot sand and go dull quickly. My chain cuts faster the factory. Going to sq grinding would be nice. Great video. Thanks!

@testdriver3146

4 жыл бұрын

Also makes for some interesting card games later on the weekends!

Thanks for sharing. This is so great. I must try it on My husky 562.

Jed was letting the saw just sit there and do its work instead of actively angling it. That might make a difference in cutting speed also. Even if chisel filed is faster ;-)

Definitely each test needs done by the same operator, otherwise you are measuring operator skill as well as chain sharpness.

@reinhardmuller3406

4 жыл бұрын

And not only one time!

@zucinnied

4 жыл бұрын

I. M. Notamoose he did say at the end that a swedish company tested it and found it to be faster as well. This was just like a at home test.

@lonniechartrand

4 жыл бұрын

How much skill is needed to cut a cookie? Kind of nit picking aren’t you? I watched the side by side comparison and it looks like the operators cut equal in “skill” technique. I would have to say the square grind is definitely faster.

@fprintf

4 жыл бұрын

@@lonniechartrand If you look closely the experienced guy had the full bar in contact with the fresh wood the entire time whereas the younger guy was cutting more air. I think if they did the test with Jed with all the chains we'd see less of a difference.

@bodibrodice147

4 жыл бұрын

Anyone who thinks there's no difference between operators obviously hasn't done much sawing. Just listen to the difference between the two. The more experienced guy is keeping it in the power band, and cutting. The less experienced guy is doing fine, but not as well. You can hear him lightly bog it a few times. I have no doubt the square cut is helping tremendously.... But if you don't think the sawyer makes a difference, you need some experience.

Hey from Skagit! I like your content a lot and it’s kinda cool to see how you boys do things in King County. I agree with Inbred’s sentiment...I started hand square filing a couple months ago with the double bevel and getting better each time. I noticed the dutchy cleanups are quicker and easier as well, but also notice I’m not having to sharpen as often anymore. Good work on all your vids! Got me hooked

wow very impressive, I've never sharpened any other way other than round file, honestly the square filing looks like it is easier once you get the hang of it, awesome video

Everyone needs a Jed

That was crazy! Thank you guys!