That was the goal for the .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer !!!! Boy that was a looong time ago !!!!

@dr.froghopper6711

2 жыл бұрын

My ears still ring!

@paulstaney325

2 жыл бұрын

I remember that, quiet the hurmoor

@doggoandyeet1608

5 ай бұрын

It boomen louden and splitten earge

@FreedomBalls69

17 күн бұрын

@@doggoandyeet1608 nein, es ist BOOMER louden

Still have a few of these in ‘06. Dad got them on clearance at a store that was closing down around 1990. Couldn’t hit a barn from the inside but wow did they cook!

@brodylockley3141

Жыл бұрын

Both are 30 cal

Roy weatherby hit 6000 fps when testing the 30-378 weatherby mag but knowing Roy weatherby he must've filled that big ol case to the brim and used a 30 inch barrel.

@stan628

8 ай бұрын

new barrel per box ?

@brandonwalker6781

6 ай бұрын

No, no he didnt

Those Remington Accelerators were loaded in .30-06, .308, and .30-30. The .30-30 loads were about even with .22-250 ballistics. I still have a few of the .30-30's laying around.

@davidmeeks2405

2 жыл бұрын

I would love to have them, provided you can find them and are willing to turn loose of them.

@louislarose6613

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidmeeks2405 They are so rare that i put them in my "ammunition collection"

@zechnarwilliams8019

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, I remember those.

@larrygibson9273

2 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing those 'Accelerator' loads advertisdd when I was a kid. Liked reading &uns and Ammo as a kid as much as I could. .223 with 18" barrel 55 grain is running almost as fast with straight factory loads, and noone argues accuracy on it. Great idea, but don't see worth the effort, be a nice project, but compare them to .22-250, and .223/5.56

@davidmeeks2405

2 жыл бұрын

@@louislarose6613I completely understand, but I had to ask.

I enjoy learning new stuff about the tools we use as hunters and sportsman. Thanks again Ron for sharing new things, old things and just fun outdoor knowledge. Good shooting to you and yours. 🎥💯👍

@joelaichner3025

2 жыл бұрын

Me too

@Joeatsaco69

2 жыл бұрын

This is actually and old thing that is creeping up out of the basement. It’s pretty cool stuff. Very purpose driven.

Got to watch the velocities. I know when I was a young starving college student and only had one centerfire rifle, I would hunt coyotes with my .30-06 loaded with .308 Speer 125 grain TNT bullets. Got decent accuracy, but if you really wanted, you could push the bullet hard enough that it force would spin the bullet apart in midair. So, I imagine shooting a fragile .224 varmint bullet at 5,000 FPS would have a similar effect.

@xman870096

2 жыл бұрын

I have a .220 Swift that I used to load with 50gr. 'SX' varmint bullets that I know were close to 4000fps or maybe even more; (I didn't have a chrono so I'm not sure) but they would leave the barrel and I could literally see what looked like a con-trail behind the bullet!!! And they would come apart in mid flight so not really useful. I'd check the target and I could see where small bits of copper jacket and maybe tiny bits of lead would pepper the paper like a tiny shotgun!! They were so hot that the primer pocket would expand and the flattened out primer would just fall out.... I took to loading them down a bit and they became stable and accurate. They would enter a coyote explode like a tiny grenade inside and never exit which was perfect as we were selling the fur hides. The autopsy's were very telling, just one tiny entrance hole in the hide and the vitals would turn to a jelly like mush!!

@Bert2368

2 жыл бұрын

the 45 or 46 grain .22 Hornet bullets when driven from a 5.56/.223 with the newer, tight twist barrels can be got to self disassemble in mid air as well- Let alone driving them at full speed out of a 22-250 or the Swift. I'm curious what some of the all Copper TSX/TTSX projectiles might do in a sabot out of those over bore 30 cartridges- I'd bet that pretty little plastic point on the TTSX melts well before 100 yards... Can we make those out of Boron carbide?😮 Or would that be a little too much like armor piercing.

@andyeighttre

2 жыл бұрын

I second the ttsx sabot. Launch it from a 30-378 to see how flat it will ashtray.

Yep. Love my ole favorite 30-06. It's hard to beat with all the ammo options in commercial loads and hand loads.

Back in the day I used the 30-06 Accelerators, loved shooting them, loved the 22-250 also thanks Ron for taking back down memory lane

I still have a few of those factory 30-06 accelerators that I bought back in the mid 80's. I didn't think the accuracy was that great but the muzzle blast is very impressive. The fireball will singe your whiskers. The collector value precludes any more testing.

Great video Ron! Handloading is as much art as it is science. Most of my handloading buddies are pretty smart, meticulous and a little bit crazy! Guys like that are the people who invent most of our new cartridges.

Great show today. Very interesting option that the sabot opens up. And can't wait for the caller review.

5,280 fps would be a mile a second. That's pretty fast. Thanks for the great vids.

@daniel17319

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see ballistics at different distances and armor piercing videos

@MyLonewolf25

2 жыл бұрын

Without any wind resistance

@Nostradamus_Order33

2 жыл бұрын

You could do it on Mount Everest. Air is pretty thin up there.

@kevinbietry7527

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds damn near impossible

@teedermcdribble

2 жыл бұрын

Muzzle velocity anyways, by the time it got to a mile it would be slowed down quite a bit.

I have 15 shots for 30-06 from a box of accelerators I bought years ago. Do not fire them trough a muzzle brake of any kind. The plastic sabot expands immediately after exciting the barrel, releasing the bullet, and could brake things.

Thanks for the trip down memory lane. I remember those factory sabot rounds.

Great reminder! Im sure that company will sell out fast! Although saboing with a 300BLK would be counter productive I am wondering if u have heard of or talked about the new Blackout round? 8.6 Creedmoor BLK!!!

Ron, you’re the best! I love ya man!

The guy that got me into reloading does those fast movers. He’s been reloading 30 years. I’m on year 3. With shortages everywhere, actuality be 2 years.

Thankyou Ron Cheers Rob

Subscribed. This is genuinely good information .

Nostalgic video Ron. I've been looking for those 06 Accelorates for a few years now. Was guessing Rem stopped making them. Years ago I ran them in my 742, on woodchucks. Not great accuracy but it was an open sighted rifle and a lot of fun. Eventually I picked up a used Browning 78 in 22-250. A fun woodchuck and fox gun. After that I just took to shooting a 300 Wby, 375 H&H, 416 Wby and 458 Win on woodchucks. A bit heavy but great practice and loads of fun. Now the coyotes have dug up and eaten all the woodchucks. They did the same to the foxes. A few foxes are coming around but I can bring myself to shoot them. Oh the good old days of cheap (relatively) ammo and plenty of bucktoothed beanfield/railroad grade targets. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Jeff

Interesting, great information

I think unless you're shooting a really small target or at extended ranges or both, 2 MOA is fine for most of my hunting, honestly.

@Joeatsaco69

2 жыл бұрын

So far I am pulling .4” to the outsides of the holes at 25 yards. Not match grade but still better than some factory stuff.

@CQCMachine

2 жыл бұрын

@@Joeatsaco69 I've been very very pleasantly surprised with my new production Winchester model 70 featherweights! I've been basically shooting single whole groups at 100 yards almost every time I go to the range! someday I'd like to build something that's really wicked accurate but for now that's more than good enough for me!

@dontnubblemebro

2 жыл бұрын

At 100, shooting two minutes is totally fine. Down here, chasing foxes you'd want 1, often get shots out to 300, with a 3-4" humane kill area.

Great content @Ron Spomer Outdoors 👍 🇺🇸 👍

Huge thanks to Mr Newberg!! I remember playing with these a bit in highschool. Let a coyote have it with my 30-06 with an accelerator. I just remember being somewhat underwhelmed. It just as well been a fmj. I think it may have been going too fast for the bullet to open up. I remember I was using 55 grain Sierra game kings. Never really liked the game kings since then.

Fascinating

Glad to know you enjoyed those cartridges. Looking forward to seeing the .376 Steyr in a video.

I got 1 right.used to pack 1 clip of 55's 1 with 165 Sierra boat tails, and loaded with 220 fat nose in the Rem 742 carbine. My 1st Alaskan Rifle. 1978. Next was the Sako 300 with mag, 81. Still using both. Trapper scotty, Alaskan

Great video.. Remembered the Accelerators.. Have to see about getting some of the skirts.. Would be fun to shoot..

Eargesplitten Loudenboomer!

Great show as alway very informative, I have tried paper patched bullets the fore runner of the plastic accelerators. 👍👍👍

great video

Thanks!

Right on

A long time ago I had a Custom Rifle in .22-250 Ackley Improved that would push 55 grain Bullets 4200+ FPS with the normal load we used. And with sub 1/2" groups. Saw 4600 FPS when I was working up loads to see what the max was, started blowing primers out of the back of cases at that velocity so we backed it back down. Yeah the good old days.

30/378 Wby, 130 barns torture test on Tuesday tube!

My best chrony reading was with a 55 grain combined technology ballistic silver tip behind h380 in a .243 was 3993. I haven't tried to push it harder.

Those Remington Accelerators were good for groundhogs when i was a kid my dad used them in his bolt action but his friend tryed them in his rem 7400 and cloged the gas ports

In the late 90's i had several boxes of accelerators for my 30'06 i loved them it would absolutely obliterate coyotes! i got pretty good accuracy with them i hit a crow with one and it no joke turned into mist/confetti,wish they were still available lots of fun to shoot almost no recoil.

Outstanding as usual my friend! 4000 fps is smoking! 5000 fps is scorching the earth!

Those 100 gr half jackets were my favorite plinker in my 30-30. The Sabot I had 30 years ago would stick. They would release unevenly really flying off the paper at 100. I found oiling the inside and shooting them within a couple of days of loading helped. I don't remember the brand. I don't know how to keep the bullet together. Maybe fmj would help. Over 4000 and the RPM would throw off the jacket leaving a smoke streak. Maybe a 1:14 twist? Great show Ron.

I mainly stick w/ tactical AR builds. Saw LMT offered a 20" .204 Ruger Stainless barrel on clearance for $400 and grabbed it. I'm not a hunter but am fascinated w/ 4000 FPS! It has 2" of drop at 300 meters and even cooler, with FMJ it's armor piercing

Awesome thanks buddy…

Shotgun slugs have been doing it a while for good reason. It's amazing what modern 20ga sabot rounds are capable of doing at range.

Redid my Dads 220 AI Swift, can't wait to break the sound barrier with some 62gr Sptzrs, this summer

This is really interesting! I did not know EABCO even existed. Yes, it would be fun to experiment. I remember the 30-06 Remington Accelerator. Very light recoil but poor accuracy. However, I never tried shooting one from a clean bore!

In 1977 I was 16 years old, and an active hunter. I remember the ads in magazines for the accelerator

fun stuff

I remember Remington back in the day, pretty smart at the time❤️

Just watched an older video of you talking about using sabots and the fantastic speeds that could be achieved. In the 70's I bought a box of 30-06 accelerators, the problem was you could not hit a refrigerator at 200 yards they were worthless. Speed is no good if you cannot hit your target, as you have often mentioned bullet placement is the most important aspect of shooting no matter what caliber of gun you are shooting.I really enjoy your well-thought-out videos. Keep up the great work.

It's really interesting to hear about the many different things that have been designed and what they found out. I had the pleasure of working with an interesting mechanic/designer about 20 years ago. He was going for the fastest bullet record , he had made several custom barrels made, and was telling me about his latest creation of a 50 bmg necked down to a 22 . The problem that he was having was at a certain velocity the bullets at the time were coming apart, becoming a 6500fps shotgun . To be honest it could be a fish story, but knowing Ray I highly doubt it.

If I remember correctly they made a 300 win mag accelerator. It was the fastest I believe.

Ron, At the time Remington was producing the Accellerator, they didn't offer the sabots for handloading. So an article appeared in Guns and Ammo where a fellow made his own and loaded them in the 300 Win mag to 5000 fps. Honestly it was a LONG time ago, so I don't remember who or when the article appeared. Likely it was near 40 years ago. Might be something you could dig up to compare notes to. If a person really wanted a cartridge to go over 5000 fps that doesn't use sabots to get the job done, check out the creation by M.L. McPherson . ( one of the editors of Cartridges of the World ) The round is called the 5x35 SMc and was standardized by CIP and offered by Savage at one time. I had the pleasure of shooting the little round and it indeed produced what it was touted, not to mention accurately, 5,315 fps! I believe an abbreviated article appeared about it in Recoil magazine a few years ago about the cartridge. It is a really unique cartridge with truly impressive speed. Might be an interesting rabbit trail for you to follow. Todd

I've got an old 8mm-06 that has been an absolute dream for reloading over the years. 30-06 brass is (was) so cheap and plentiful. Same with 8mm bullets. I've loaded everything from 120gr. for varmints up to a 240gr. for the big guys. I've become extremely proficent/precise with it because I've been able to afford shooting it so often and put countless rounds downrange over the years. I've also got Grandpa's old Model 94 Winchester .32 Special...Which is easily my favorite gun. Another cheap one to reload for. (If you use 30-30 brass, of course.) I've got lots of .32 Special brass....but if I'm just out plinking, I use my 30-30 reloads always.

30-378 would be super interesting with that. Might need to try it.

"The Third Bullet" by Stephen Hunter has an interesting take on loading unmatched bullets/cases.

Hey Rom 30 some years ago one of the gun magazines did an article on 5000 fps ( guns and ammo , shooting time or guns can’t remember witch ) I still have it somewhere in the garage. After reading the article I loaded some up. I loaded 76 gr of 3031 with a 55 gr accelerator in a 300 win mag and got 4800 fps with ( no )signs of pressure. Accuracy was only 2 to 2 1/2 in at 100 yds , I think there is potential for better accuracy with varying the powder charge and primer selection , I used Fed 215 ,maybe 210 s would be more accurate ! Boy did they get to 200 yds in a hurry !!! Hope this helps your subscribers . Thanks Ron . BTW I am still hopping for an episode on the 6 x 45 ( 6 mm x 223 ) a very useful but over looked cartridge !

Oh my. Thank you. That is smoking hot. Just for the fun of it if nothing else.

My Gramps 220 swift was cooking. He also had a .17 jet it left a vapor trail everytime you shot. It was a .357 mag necked down to .17

Lol a 300 blackout with a 55g .224 cal accelerator at around 3k FPS. That sounds interesting. If only there was a cartridge that could do that already. 🤣

I love it when he refers to KZread as a “public website”!!! As if it’s still the good ole days!!!

Still have some of the .30-06 and .30-30 Accelerators that I got from a gun show in the 80's! Some screamin' ammo!

Solid copper projectiles allow faster speeds than lead would previously allow. Add in the newly discovered fact that with enough twist, there will be additional rotational damage applied to the target. We should expect to see much longer projectiles with insane twist rates someday.

@tyvernoverlord5363

2 жыл бұрын

1:5 with a saboted solid copper .22 going 6,000fps out of a 6.8 Sig Fury shell would be funnier than all living h-e-double hockey sticks!

@bobbygetsbanned6049

2 жыл бұрын

Insane twist rates also have the distinct characteristic of accelerated barrel wear.

@dontbetreadin4777

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbygetsbanned6049 that will be with any Projectile in these calibers traveling over 4,000fps. Even upper 3,000s will wear out barrels fast

@RyanBrown-fp3vk

2 жыл бұрын

???? Longer bullets are for B.C. or long range. Like mile plus. Monolithic bullets are bigger than same weight lead bullets naturally because lead is heavier. Monolithic bullets are also slower because jacketed bullets are soft. Especially the high B.C. bullets. Twist rate is for stability on big projectiles.

@1810jeff

2 жыл бұрын

Lead is very limiting for speeds. A guy was making a "12 gauge slug from hell" and he was finding that after a certain speed the lead slugs just flattening immediately as would lose so much penetration power. Now if he used a copper or brass solid that would probably be a different story.

Back in the late 80s I bought a 100rd bag of .224 SP and .308 sabots (believe they were out of PA). Loaded them up in .30 carbine, 30-06 (not accurate in my Browning 1895 rifle) and 7.62x54R. Don't remember the velocities but they were high.

Ron... Been away from your channel for a while... and was surprised to see you covering an area that I have just been playing with again. The first time was about 30 years ago. A company called Maadi- Griffith (or Griffin) sent me several bags of sabots for .30 cal. rifles... using .22 caliber projectiles. I had been testing light weight sleeved projectiles in both the .300 RUM and the .30/378 Wby with 36" barrels. Velocities were running in the mid to high 5,000 fps range. Just this past week I have been testing a 30" Lilja barreled Wby Mk V with 75 gr. LH defense 85gr. projectiles with the nose turned down to a spire point configuration, which had essentially the same SD as the 40gr./.22 cal and 32gr./.20 cal. projectiles. Using one of the excellent Caldwell chronographs and a suitable charge of propellent in this gun... velocities ran from 5,007 - 5,185 fps. The latter load was only a grain and a half over the first two and was hot enough to result in a loose primer! The pressure signs of the first two appeared OK. So pressure can show up fairly rapidly with these. I have had a good bit of experience in chasing high velocity platforms at various pressure levels and can tell you that you don't want to go very far into the 6,000 fps range. You will run into serious issues in the mid 6,000 fps range and by the 7,000 fps... range you will be looking at barrel and or gun damage with virtually every shot! There has been some success in the the fairly recent past in the EML community (see: IEEE Transactions in Magnetics issues covering EML conferences) which are somewhat technical, but interesting

Absolutely brilliant ⁉️ 💣💥🔥🙌🤯😎🤌

My dad had some of those old accelerators in 30-06 that I found and tried to group recently. I shot them out of an 80s model 70 and got about 6” groups at a hundred yards. In hindsight I wish I would’ve just kept them because they’re just cool.

@phild9813

2 жыл бұрын

Also in hindsight, I wonder if the poor accuracy was because of inappropriate twist rate. I wonder if a longer 90 grain type 223 bullet would shoot better.

Awesome information about shooting a smaller diameter slug out a bigger bore, would it change anything for accuracy if the rate of twist was meant for a lighter slug?

Might try the sabot in my 32” barrel on my high wall chambered in 30-30, I’ll have to play with the powder to get the burn / pressure right.

Projectile speed is also a function of length of barrel, length of powder burn and pressure surface. Nosler sponsored my dad and he'd regularly chrono speeds above 4000fps but for a match shooter that's just a barrel burner as he called them. Today there is industrial diamond coatings for your bullet to seal tighter and slip easier. Used in modern engines with finer finishes on the cylinder walls and thinner rings but greater cylinder pressure resulting in more power in a smaller engine the tech applies to bullets and riffles.

Hello Mr. Spomer, first of all thank you for your videos, i like them very much! I am living in Germany (according to 4:16) and the sabots are forbidden in germany exactely for that reason that there are no marks on the bullets and abuse can not be determined. Good hunting from lower saxony, Sebastian Großmann.

Hello and thanks for the great videos. Was just wondering if the bullet is not touching the rifling can it be stabilized?

Tried the e.a. brown sabots years ago. Got consistent keyholes, didn't feel like doing a lot of experimenting and gave up on it.

My dad had a box of 30-30 accelerators. I shot half the box at coyotes and never did hit one.

That ' interested!

you are very knowledgeable person in fire arms I wish you were my teacher in firearms department

Interesting to say the least. I wouldn't mind seeing some real world test data from you as you always do a great job with presenting your findings. Thanks

I shot the Remington Accelerators out of my Ruger M-77 in 30-06 back when they were still being made. I got around 1.5 inch groups at 100 yards, which was about as good as that gun shot anything. I never managed to get a coyote with them, but they sure could turn rabbits inside out!

Great video! I've used sabot in muzzleloading, shooting a .40 bullet from a .54 gun. At pistol velocities (sub 1200 fps), can these sabots be 3-D printed?

I loaded some 22/243 Middlestead rounds at 5280 fps for a gunsmith friend.

I'm old enough to have actually used the Remington "Accelerators" in my Model 70 in .30-'06. Several hunting buddies tried them as well. Accuracy was dismal in all of our rifles, like three to four MOA at best. Worse than that was dealing with the plastic fouling left behind in our barrels. Just a bad experience all the way around. Perhaps the modern sabots, some 40 years on, are better. Certainly couldn't be any worse.

@bobbygetsbanned6049

2 жыл бұрын

I'd like to see them tried in a custom barrel with super slow rifling or even smooth bore. Modern sabot rounds in tanks can't be stabilized with rifling, tanks are very accurate with smooth bore fin stabilized sabots.

@linkbond08

2 жыл бұрын

I still have 15 shots in a box of those 30-06 accelerators, accuracy wasn't the best, I wonder if the friction starts to melt the sabot making it loose in the rifling towards the end, and ruining accuracy.

@recoilrob324

2 жыл бұрын

@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I remember the Accelerators when they were on the market....and looked into why they weren't accurate for many people. Came down IMHO to twist rates being on the slow side in 30 cal barrels compared to what works in 22's. Plus I suspected that the sabot was engaging the rifling but the projectile held within could have been slipping due to its' inertia and not spinning as fast as a calculation would indicate...hence slow spin and poor accuracy.

@4570duplex

2 жыл бұрын

@@recoilrob324 Interesting thoughts. Standard twist in most .30-'06 barrels is 1:10, with .308's usually going 1:12. Back when these Accelerators were on the market, most .22 centerfires, like the .223, .22-250, and .220 Swift all ran 1:14 twists as standard. We were all happy to shoot 50 to 55 grain bullets in our .22 centerfires in those days, so that 1:14 worked well. It wasn't until the last few decades that heavier .22 bullets and the requisite faster twists became ubiquitous. So, our ten to twelve inch twist should have done the job with the lighter bullets used in the Accelerator (can't remember if they were 50 or 55 grain). In light of that, I think your "slippage" theory has a good deal of merit. Especially in light of the fact that the Army doesn't even try to utilize spin stabilization with sabots, relying instead upon drag stabilization. Now that would be interesting - a smooth bore .30 shooting little saboted darts...

@renaissanceman5847

2 жыл бұрын

yeah the twist rates were not good which is why they had such bad accuracy... also the plastic sabots were not consistent on how they applied sealing force in the barrel which lead to pressure consistency issues and many simply didnt grab the rifling. if they machined a light weight aluminum sabot with a small tungsten bullet maybe... but aluminum has a tendency to stick itself to steel.

IIRC in my older Nosler reloading manuals in the section devoted to reloading for the 300/378 Weaterby Magnum who's parrent cartridge was the 460 Weatherby Magnum that was for quite some time the world's most powerful commercially produced non-wildcat rifle cartridge that could hold over 110 grains of powder ( vs a 30/06's 61ish grains) and push a 500 grain .458 bullet to a MV of 2500+ FPS A true giant of a dangerous game cartridge It contains a story of how the US Army in cooperation with Weatherby and sought to develop an ultra fast sniper rifle cartridge based on the 300/378 Weatherby that could and did obtain a MV of over 6,000 FPS. But for what ever the reason it never materialized into anything But still obtaining a MV of 6k FPS is an impressive accomplishment What is even more astonishing is the 120mm APFSDS depleted uranium dart fired by the Abrams MBT has a MV of over 6k feet per second as well.

My brother was playing around with accelerator bullets. They were impressed with them. They were doing a lot of accuracy shooting at the time. I haven't heard anything about those bullets in years. To me they are a varmint round. At those velocities a 55 grain bullet is going to explode upon impact. This is really a varmint round or a target/plinking round.

Interesting Vid as usual Ron. My go to round is 22-250 and to have my 308 do the same job would be handy. Could carry one very versatile rifle in the feild. The 308 is very accurate so could be a challenge for the 22 projectile which maybe requires a different barrel twist.Must have been a good reason sabots did not take off. Performance maybe? Cheers from Australia.

@treydenfrench7009

Жыл бұрын

55gr .22cal would do fine out of a standard 1/10 twist that most 308s have. But accuracy still would be very hard to reach with a sabot.

I'd love to see a video on using these from a various 30's for accuracy and for what the bullet does hitting a ballistic gel block at 4k to 5k fps!

I’ve used these. And I’m going to go ahead and point out that on their website it clearly states “BIG SAFETY REQUIREMENT - Never fire sabots in barrels that have muzzle brakes. Premature flowering in the brake could act as a barrel obstruction.” since on the subject that somebody doesn’t seem to want to admit to… wether it was in fact the cause or not.

Handloaded .220 swift? Sabot from an M1 Abrams tank? Those are my guesses.

Bought a box of 30-06 acceelerators in the late 80s, early 90s. Only shot a couple and was told that the nylon sabot would damage the rifling if over used. So put them away. Still have and did not realize that they are now collectors items. If remember correctly were advertised at about 4200 fps. Ones I shot crono'd at 3980 so fairly close.

The problem with that kind of velocity is finding a bullet that won't vaporize within a few feet of the muzzle lead tips won't stay solid past 4 thousand fps you can see the vapor in the rite conditions

Still have a few boxes of those x-celerators.

Saboted bullets-been used in artillery loads since WW2-Germans.Today the discarding sabot is used in M1 Abrams tank gun loads.To top off the gun is a smoothbore!The projectiles have angled tail fins.Run up to 5000FPS plus and this is for a 9-12Pound projectile!!The fastest load I remember-a Guns&Ammo showed a micro meteor simulator device that could launch #6 size plastic pellets to 50,000FPS-of course had to be fired in a vacuum.The pellet could blow fist size holes in steel!!!!The "gun" used very high pressure gas compressed by an explosive charge.

ISTR there was an effort to get +3500fps back 80s. Might have seen article in Am.Rifleman or Guns&Ammo. One stuck in my mind was a sabotted bullet. Accuracy was an issue like Ron mentioned. Never tried them. Interesting vid.

insane velocities

Yeah, I remember when the so called cop killer Accelerator rounds came out. As far as I know they were more of a fad to shoot varmints with and whatever you hit with the looked like it was carrying a hand grenade that went off on it. They totally are exceptional small game/varmint destroyers. I have seen the head of a coyote completely blown off of it's body when it was shot just behind the ear. Automatic guillotine! Long time ago, you are trying my memories Ron. I use to mess with some of the Brown sleeves and the tip about the clean bore is a must when you shoot these things. The bore should be cleaned with a stiff brass bore brush until it is perfectly shiny all the way from entrance to exit..You would not believe what kind of accuracy I was getting out of a Savage Model 99 in 308 shooting 300 yards. I have never shot a sub1/4" group of five shots with any other rifle at that distance. The group could just be covered with a nickel.

I would like to see this Sabot technology be applied to the new cartridges that require the steel-brass case hybrids.

I was thinking about 300 Weatherby and I was not disappointed.

I shot my grandpa’s 742 woods master in 30/06 as a kid and I remember looking in a magazine at the Remington accelerator bullets. I was around 10 and wanted them because they were so fast 😂

@rippertrain

2 жыл бұрын

I still have my grandpa's 742 woodsmaster the thing kicks like a mule in 30-06.

@allinaday3526

2 жыл бұрын

I recently bought one, it definitely lets you know somethings happening

@allinaday3526

2 жыл бұрын

In 30-06

@rippertrain

2 жыл бұрын

@@allinaday3526 I shot mine once off a bench...3 shots to sight it in....never again will I shoot it again off the bench...never again. Ouch.

@allinaday3526

2 жыл бұрын

It's nothing compared to my 20 GA slug gun shooting sabots...

When I worked there years ago, they had a buggy full of sabot bullets held up because most every sabot cracked when they put the bullet in. Never saw a run of them in 5 years.

Very, very interesting..... Hmm....🤔😁

Different subject- Ron, I hunt Antelope, deer, elk, & moose in Montana. I have a 243, 35 Whelen AI, & a 7MM Rem Mag. I am what you call a minimalist and I am wondering what your thoughts are on just hanging on to the 7MM Rem Mag and getting rid of the other 2?

@djl5634

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Keep all of them. Guns are always valuable. I never sell guns.

The sabot .224 caliber 55 grain 308 and 30-06 factory rounds @3,770 fps and 4080 fps, respectively, marketed by Remington 30 years ago, never became popular because they were inaccurate - thus defeating their purpose. I remember using them in my 1/2 MOA HK 770, 308 Winchester. The rifle shot 1/2 MOA with regular factory ammo but would do no better than 1.5 MOA with the Remington 55 grain factory sabot ammo. Remington soon discontinued both.