I always look forward to your videos. The best reviews and product information in the archery world in my opinion. Thanks for doing what you do!

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the kind words. Thanks for watching.

Good video as usual Lucas..thanks

Lucas, that Lawless won't be fast the way you have it. You need to purchase an Obsession t-shirt, hat and window banner and wear em if you want the full 370...... 😂

@spankymcnugget3166

4 жыл бұрын

haha! I love it, that's a great comment.

Another outstanding video cooney 🤘 Obsession really has lost their minds !! Every review I see with them being speed tested their way under there's no reason to put and IBO that nobody can replicate just my opinion.. I would go with the prime I'm really digging on them here lately I think I'm going to do the ct9👍

Could you please do a review on the new gold tip Airstrike arrows!! It’d be much appreciated

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Gold Tip is my official arrow supplier, so I can’t do a review. Would be a conflict, I’m afraid.

I have a question about a Hamskea Rest if you have time. I have always shot a QAD but was having issue on a new Prime so went to a Hamskea Trinity Hunter Pro and upon shot it has a rattle. It is noticeably louder then the QAD it has a rattle. I have checked all the screws and can’t figure it out

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I’m new to Hamskea rests, but I’ve not had any noise issues with mine. I’d suggest you reach out to them. I’ve heard good things about their customer service.

Nicely done. As usual, Mathews is long and Obsession falls flat on its face.

Good video thanks

Nice to see who’s hanging their IBO numbers with real numbers instead of just writing big numbers down.

I remember having my Evolution being advertised at 353 and I had a consistent chrono of around 340 which I thought was reasonable since i was set up to hunt and not compete. I like the fact that it was quiet, fast, and had a huge valley and let off. I could stay full draw as long as it took and still have a well placed and stead shot. Probably gonna get the lawless 4t from the new lineup. Advertised around the same IBO as my Evo was (in the 350s), so I expect it'll perform similar. I guess I'll go find a trophy hog to test it on. Also might evn throw the garmin sight on it and see how well it performs. Anyways, thanks for the no nonsense review. Hell, I still remember the days when 350 was "physically impossible" on a bow so if any bow is above that, my hat is off to em.

What is the fastest 31 inch draw bow

Outstanding.

Would you possibly consider doing a review on the Mathews TX-5?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I'll review pretty much any bow if I can get it sent to me. To be honest, I'd be more interested in the Traverse, but again, I'm pretty easy.

@peterbuchholz1735

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArcheryTalkVideo ok. Thank you

I love my Obsessions but I’ve never got them near to the advertised speeds 😕

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

They are really nice bows. Not sure why there is the silliness with the speeds. I'd shoot the FXL any day, regardless of speed. But I suppose the big numbers ultimately help move product.

BOWTECH ALL THE WAY BABY!

I saw that coming with the Lawless.

@daemon1143

5 жыл бұрын

Didn't we all

SR6 is the best bow of 2019 for me. I was never a bowtech guy until I shot this bow. Absolutely a beast. I like the SR6 draw cycle over the SS. Weirdly the performance setting felt smoother than comfort setting. Also the back wall eases up a bit on performance. The comfort setting makes the back wall so solid it actually hurt my shoulder to let down. Overall great bow.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

The SR6 is a nice but, but personally, I prefer the Realm X to the SR6. I think that is mostly due to the shorter valley on the X. The SR6 feels a hair too light to me at full draw. The draw cycle is interesting. Very smooth/easy at the start. But it gets super stiff right before the valley. It's not bad...just a bit different.

@richstafford1245

5 жыл бұрын

ArcheryTalk Good review. Most of the draw stuff is personal preference. I think bowtech made a mistake marketing the SR6 as a speed bow. I think this causes many people to just dismiss the bow and never even shoot it. I believe they would have been better served to just push it as their flagship bow without the speed bow tag.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

@@richstafford1245 Ultimately, bow preference is all personal stuff. All of the bows are pretty dang good right now. It's about finding what works best for you.

@alec7937

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArcheryTalkVideo I found it came down to finding a dealer that would let me shoot all the new bows they had and get a good feel. I making the switch from right handed to left handed this season and found the sr6 to be the easiest to make that switch.

Even though I own the regular Rx3 im impressed that the Vertix did well for its advertised speed. I know they test similar in speed with the Rx3 and the Matthews being a hair faster.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

The Vertix does get a speed bump due to its longer draw length. Mathews always seem to come a half-inch long. Great shooting bow, though.

What about Darton lighting xt?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Darton has never responded to my requests to borrow a bow.

So what did the lawless do to come up with 35fps less than advertised??? 3/8 dl aint gonna do that...

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I believe they don't restrict themselves to the methods other manufacturers use to determine max speed. They may go 90 pounds and 450 grains or 100 pounds and 500 grains. But I'm just guessing.

@aaronhall765

5 жыл бұрын

Their known to inflate their speed numbers...

@TheSouthernObsession

5 жыл бұрын

Iv seen many lawless shoot right at or over IBO and some shoot below. Decided to study what people were doing differently, obsession bows love stiffer spined arrows the bows hitting on or over IBO the shooter was shooting stiffer spines arrows and tuned it to that 350gr arrow. Also found out they have regular mods and S mods. The s mods are speed mods. And most had to make sure the bow was shimmied correctly which you have to check for cam lean at full draw to see if it needs shimming. If you watch videos on any of these bows you will see that all shooters get completely diffrent speeds and some are shooting IBO and some are shooting wayyyyy under IBO. There is alot that goes into chrono testing for speeds and honestly when IBO testing happens they shoot the bow with nothing at all on the string in a perfect place with a very expensive chrono plus IBO standards says you can shoot a bow within an inch of 30 draw length and within 2lbs of 70lb draw weight, so they could be shooting 31" draw and 72lbs with an all black string and getting 370fps all day

@flip66five

5 жыл бұрын

@@TheSouthernObsession within an inch?!?... As i understand the rules, 5gn per lb, 30" +-1/4"... Anyway its tested, it annoys me that the common man cant get within 30 effin fps of perfect speed... I want a fast bow but i shouldnt have to shoot naked string, 100lb draw, 31" , in a 100mph wind tunnel to get the number they claim...

@TheSouthernObsession

5 жыл бұрын

@@flip66five yeah look up the IBO rules from their website they arnt very strict on the limitations of how a bow is set up. But I have also seen plenty of videos of people shooting the exact 70lb, 30" and 350gr arrow and hitting right on IBO so at the same time cant say they should lower their rating when some people are hitting it or above and others arnt hitting it or within 5. That's why I hate chronos too much can happen to change what the chrono reads people get diffrent numbers all the time from every company. Just watched an SR6 shoot 25fps below IBO on video from bowtech dealer

Are you going to review bear divergent

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t believe so.

How about the fx6 or fx30?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Obsession didn't send those in for testing. Just the FXL and Lawless.

Your previous review put lawless at 346 now this one at 335. You got me scratching my head

@ArcheryTalkVideo

4 жыл бұрын

That was a sub-optional chrono. I have since switched to a much more consistent model.

Would the Hoyt RX3 have the same speed as the Helix?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

RX3 and Helix should be 6/7 FPS faster than the RX3 Ultra and Helix Ultra I tested here.

@thehunter9149

5 жыл бұрын

ArcheryTalk thanks!

So were the bows suppose to be 29” draw length?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

All were set up with 29.5 mods/cams

What no Mamba 33 XR with 92 pound limbs and 30 and a 1/2 inch draw ? Time to hit the gym lol.Word on the street it is the number one fastest production bow at the moment.... would love to see your test results if you could get your hands on one. Excellent review keep up the amazing vids. ✌

@ArcheryTalkVideo

4 жыл бұрын

Explore101 Even if I could get my hands on one, my skinny butt couldn’t draw a 92-pound bow if you paid me.

@explore1018

4 жыл бұрын

😅 Right? Lol

Would have liked to see the rx3 & rx3 turbo in there

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Hoyt lends me one bow per year. I chose this one - mostly because I like longer bows.

Obsession FX30 with speed mods is by far the smoothest 365-370fps bow iv shot, I liked it alot more than the lawless and alot of guys are getting faster speeds with speed mods on the FX30 than the lawless.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the insight, Cody.

Love your videos #BowTechrules

I really do wonder how obsession comes up with ratings....smh. other than the obessesions i was pretty surprised, the rest were pretty close. Like another commenter said, really impressed with the ultra.

No Xpedition MakoX?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Xpedition chose not to participate

Lucas did you shoot the sr6 on comfort or performance? May have been able to get an extra 10 fps

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Performance for me.

Why did you shoot the Helix Ultra and not that standard model? The standard model would've been a little faster.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

4 жыл бұрын

That’s the one I was sent

Notice!!!!! There is a maximum gap between light arrow and IBO speed of 13fps on all brands except Obsession, theirs is 25-35fps gap. I've NEVER seen an Obsession shoot close to its IBO on the 2019 line. = Way over rated on their IBO, otherwise a pretty good bow. Great Video!!!

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

The gap is actually smaller than than when you consider the draw length is slightly shorter than IBO specs, and there is weight on the string from the d-loop and peep.

29.5 in draw and 70lbs my fxl is shooting 370 grain at 325, 395 grain at 315, 427 grain at 304 and 452 grain at 289. Even faster with my custom limb stops for 75% let off.

You forgot the Xpedition Mako X.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I asked to borrow a Mako, but they chose not to participate.

Why no Elite Ritual 35...

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

You’ll have to ask Elite. We ask pretty much every brand to borrow a bow. Some don’t want to participate.

Prime and Matthews had the least average speed loss with the hunting arrow. After factoring in the longer Matthews draw, the Prime was closest to its IBO.

Bow tech was cookin, I went with the ss personally this year.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I was torn between the SS and SR6. Tough decision.

@jhuntley575

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArcheryTalkVideo same here, I still am lol

@alec7937

5 жыл бұрын

I've shot both at scheels and I honestly thought the sr6 in performance mode was just as easy to pull back as the ss. Super glad I decided to order the sr6 for this season.

@jhuntley575

5 жыл бұрын

Check out what lucky stops made for the sr6 this year

Really though. I'm impressed by the helix ultra against all those shorter ata bows

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

The Helix is far from a speed bow and it really held its own here. It's also a fantastic bow to shoot.

@phippsranchjp

5 жыл бұрын

Yea an the slowest of the Helix also why the hell ya not use turbo if ya doing speed test?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

phippsranchjp Because the speed test is just one part. Long-term bow reviews are forthcoming, followed by a seven-bow shootout to decide our hunting bow of the year. I assure you the Ultra will do better in that competition than the Turbo

That prime CT3 isn't the fastest but it's a impressive bow! I shot many of the new bows for 2018 and 2019. Nothing really stood out till I shot Prime. I pulled a 70lb CT3 and literally thought the shop handed me a 60lb bow. Left with a 80lb prime CT3 sold my Mathews and haven't looked back.

@johnkovacs5972

5 жыл бұрын

hunterdka yes, I shot the ct3 and ct5 a few weeks ago and I was extremely impressed. Absolutely awesome bows. I’m thinking of buying a ct5 for a backup to my mathews. Plus there finish process is the best in the business

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Prime makes really nice bows. Fit and finish is outstanding

A bit late to the party, but you didn’t mention the APA King Cobra, which will smoke all of those bows by A LOT.

I accidentally dried fired my Hoyt and didn't damage the bow and put the string and cables back on the bow and finished my shoot with my son and we came in 3rd. My youngest son and I believe in the Hoyt. My middle son has had both a PSE and Matthews bow blow up on him. The Matthews blew up after he shot and he laid it down when it blew up. Any way, what I am trying to say is no matter which bow is fast, but what bow is safe and easy to fix in the field and will keep it's sight with hardly any adjustment. I will stick with Hoyt any time and every time.

@Buran01

5 жыл бұрын

If you son is able to blow a modern compound with a single dry fire He really has talent...

@SFCRambo60

5 жыл бұрын

@@Buran01 that Mathew's blew while laying next to him in the deer blind. He didn't dry fire it. I did because I didn't have this new nock that has 2 clips when you nock your arrow and I didn't look before pulling it back to shoot. I guess it popped off once I was at full draw but still the Hoyt didn't blow up. I love me Hoyts and my TenPoint Crossbows.

@nielsonnc

5 жыл бұрын

@@SFCRambo60 so. You have dry fired multiple bows???? Nothing else to say to that.

@tonyallen8626

5 жыл бұрын

@@nielsonnc I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that he's dry fired more than one bow

@nielsonnc

5 жыл бұрын

@@tonyallen8626 read all his comments

Your new nickname is “hot little hands”

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I can think of worse.

As per Obsession the Lawless is rated as "up to 356" why so many reviews saying 370 - ?? But Not accurate info. Obsession Speed bows are among the best if not the best imo.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

3 жыл бұрын

Because that's what Obsession used to say on their website and in all the literature. The website no longer claims 370...but it sure as heck did when it came out.

I like how Obsessions feel but won’t purchase a bow from a company who is so dishonest about there IBO speeds.

@aimeagle

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed! But, as we all know the biggest and baddest is the best right lol! 95% of shooters will never shoot over a chrono so they can walk around with their little pants pal thinking they are special.

@aimeagle

4 жыл бұрын

@Boxing 101 congrats on your "prochrono". I think maybe I underestimated the importance of bow speed versus shot placement. The dude just showed ibo means nothing literally unless you want to destroy your bow. I shot my first deer when I was 12 with some darton whatever set at 42lbs. The deer dropped where it stood basically. As for a rookie, if you say so lol. Some folks think they need to conceal carry a Desert Eagle too but that doesn't mean much lol.

@Church_TT

4 жыл бұрын

Had a problem buying one myself. I want that lawless very bad and loved the way it shot but I did want the actual speed of it. I've seen it hit IBO and even go over it and I've also seen it shoot far under. It's very confusing to me I'm fairly new to bows. I have a Hoyt I love but it is noticeably slow and doesn't hit nearly as hard.

@Church_TT

4 жыл бұрын

@Boxing 101 I dont like Mathews much. I've shot a few different ones and honestly didnt like any of them.

Why dont you ever test bears bows? They are said to be fast. Thanks for doing this channel

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

We tried! Thought I was going to get two of them in (a flagship level hunting bow and a mid-priced bow for another comparison), but it never materialized. Typically, I get maybe 60% of the bows I ask to borrow.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I have tested two Bear bows in the past. The LS-6 and the Threat. Both were plenty fast, thought the LS-6 draw lengths were a bit out of whack.

@Christian.Jensen

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArcheryTalkVideo thanks for answering

You need a new chrono.... That would drive me nuts having that much variance

@lljayll015

5 жыл бұрын

The3dbowmaster what makes you think it is the chrono and not the bows?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I suspect the chrono has some variance. It’s not the most expensive model. Hopefully I’ll be able to upgrade at some point.

@goory93

5 жыл бұрын

Gotta agree, why do you think the chrono is off? Bows don't shoot exactly the same speed with every shot.

Obsession has been overinflating their IBO for a while now. On the Lawless its rated 10% more then the actual numbers and the FXL is 7%. The Hoyt its only 2% off with Prime, Mathews, and Bowtech being around 3 to 4 percent.

Wow....35fps off of IBO?? That's YUGE!! Makers have gotten bold of late, it seems. My '14 PSE Full Throttle chrono'd at 373fps with a 350gr. arrow.

bowtech all day, I love my btx-31

@spankymcnugget3166

4 жыл бұрын

@Boxing 101 I know I hear about that all the time, but I think that was the prodigy 's in 2014/2015 mines a bt-x 31 I think a 2016 model but bought new in the beginning of 2017 no issues yet knock on wood, and it's been fired threw the summer and winter for the last few seasons now, and here in canada are summers are stupid hot and by jan. and feb. are winters are bitter cold.

Ive heard that about the lawless anyway. No one knows how they got that speed. I shoot the Bowtech SR6 and i love it . its a lazer

@alec7937

5 жыл бұрын

just put an order in for the sr6. are you shooting heavy or light arrows? Im torn on what to go with for this years deer/antelope seasons

@OvertimeGamers218

5 жыл бұрын

I shoot light 395 grains i have never put it under a chronograph but its really stupid fast

@OvertimeGamers218

5 жыл бұрын

I use to shoot a bowtech insanity and that thing was a brute to shoot this is so much a step up and faster to boot. I only hunt whitetail and some fox when the opportunity arises so I don't need a heavy arrow faster is less chance of ducking it .

No bear bow this year...🤔

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Thought I had one or two lined up, but I never received them.

@fernandobelone3876

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArcheryTalkVideo Was hoping to see the perception or the kuma 30...

Please please please go troll the people I see saying they are shooting their barnett vortex toy bows 300+fps over a chrono lol. The one video was a guy using what appeared to be maybe a paintball chronograph and he was hitting 240+- with his vortex. Still plenty of punch to hunt whitetail or even mule deer. But, much like a city kid with a truck on 44" mudders they think they're special I guess. Good to see some common sense in this world.

Of course, obsession didn't meet speed ratings

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

I promise you, an OB fan is going to crap on me for these results somehow. That said, I really do like the bows. The FXL in particular is a fantastic shooter. Just wish the limb stops were movable so I could tweak the valley a little. Otherwise, it's really nice.

@TLRChad

5 жыл бұрын

They sure seem to have a reputation for over inflating their speeds.

@brandonwilder8467

5 жыл бұрын

Why is everyone making a big deal about the lawless, it’s still a very fast bow right? I’m not a obsession owner or fan by the way, just saying nothing changes the fact that it’s one of the fastest bows.

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Brandon Wilder The bow is plenty fast and it’s an accurate shooter. I think some folks just don’t like the advertised speeds are so...optimistic.

If your looking for speed..PSE is it I do not own a PSE

What about bear whitetail...bow....lol

Mathews always be A#1 🤘

370 fps YEAH OK !!!!!

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

It appears that was a touch optimistic.

@jeremylandphier692

5 жыл бұрын

@@ArcheryTalkVideo Companies need to just stop with the mine is faster than yours mentality and just give us the real numbers they "ACTUALLY" Shoot !

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Jeremy Landphier It’s a weird choice.

4:49 Obsession is the bow with the highest level of performance. It was designed for NASA. To be used by us in wars against aliens. All their speeds were measured in vacuumed space environment. 😂

mathews always comes long and higher poundage then rated thats how they inflate.

Don’t you have affiliation with Bowtech?

@ArcheryTalkVideo

5 жыл бұрын

Nope. They just loan me bows just like the other manufacturers. Yamaha is the channel's only financial sponsor. Gold Tip provides all of our arrows, though no financial support.