That "supersonic" stuff might indeed be "a little harder to group" at extended range... but I can tell you first hand that I've sent many a groundhog across the rainbow bridge launching CCI Stingers from a 1960's era Remington 10T Targetmaster with an old Weaver fixed 6X scope at 100 yards and more. Minute of angle is all well and good, but with a .22, Minute of Squirrel will suit me just fine.

@blakedavis2447

2 жыл бұрын

“Across the rainbow bridge” lol, my preference for ground hogs is Remington 2 3/4 00 buck shot but I have a stock pile of stinger just in case I run out. I used stingers this summer on some muskrats and at 50 yards it drops them dead. Good stuff.

@jimmyjohnson7041

2 жыл бұрын

Should be able to take ground hogs out at up to 200 yards with a 22 ! And thats with a subsonic

@blakedavis2447

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmyjohnson7041 no

@georgesakellaropoulos8162

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimmyjohnson7041 200 is doable, but you really have to know your rifle and ammo, especially if it's a little breezy. Anything like a real windy day, you can forget it.

@jimmyjohnson7041

2 жыл бұрын

@@georgesakellaropoulos8162 Your right ...know your rifle .......and Ammo ! Thats true with any caliber rifle. Or a bow and arrow !

Almost at 22wmr velocity. That's some fast stuff. Can't wait to watch. Thanks for all the time you put in.

@WHOTEEWHO

3 жыл бұрын

appreciate you watching Bill

Nice to have more choices in that category. I have used the Aguila Supermax for prairie dogs for years, it used to be 30 grains at 1750FPS. I think they're advertising those as 1700 now as well. Keep up the great work.

@steavenwalton9004

2 жыл бұрын

Good squirrel round.

@rickeybullington6314

2 жыл бұрын

A 22 lr will ruin your day. 22 lr is no joke.

@unclebob540i3

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickeybullington6314 definitely!

@tieoneon1614

11 ай бұрын

My .22LR is my favorite gun, and will be out west for other stuff but wanted to try prairie dogs. Im accurate up to 100 yards with the cheapo 40 grain ammo. Would these hyper's be a better choice for prairie dogs?

@unclebob540i3

11 ай бұрын

@@tieoneon1614 for me they are. There are a lot reasons for hunting with the .22 hypers. That's all I use on small game.

This ammo vs your standard 22lr rounds with some clay blocks

@misterfister7262

3 жыл бұрын

Ballistic gel

@reaperhunter7297

3 жыл бұрын

That would be epic to see

@Teknophobe

3 жыл бұрын

Oh yeah.

@jamesgravel7755

3 жыл бұрын

No. We use clay round here son.

@anthonybanks4633

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah sounds great try it out w.t.w

Aguila has been making a 30 grain round at a claimed 1750 fps for years. I've never sent them thru a chronograph myself, but they definitely hit harder than anything else I've ever used.

@thelastosirus

2 жыл бұрын

If you can keep them from jamming failure to feed. I've put 300 through 7 different 22LR rifles & pistols and the only that is remotely usable is the Ruger 10/22. And I would still have 2 or 3 FTF each 25 round mag. Not worth the risk when Stingers don't cost too much more and have zero issues. On close inspection the ridges at the base of the bullet are a few thousands larger than most other rounds. I assume this is the problem.

@CMB911

2 жыл бұрын

@@thelastosirus that's interesting, I've never had any issues with them in any of my guns. I had an early model P22 that would hardly cycle anything other than Aguila, Stingers, or Mini Mags. Both of my 10/22s fling them every time. My GSG 1911-22 has had zero issues. My H&K 416-22 also loves them. I've always loved them because I rarely have any issues with them. Oh, one last semi-auto... The Phoenix HP22 loves them as well (and any revolver I've shot them with). It's always bizarre to me how each gun kinda has its own personality with ammo 🤷‍♂️. I should add, I've been using Aguila for probably 15 years and have fired thousands of rounds of the hypersonic variety.

@thelastosirus

2 жыл бұрын

@@mot0rhe4d40 Not sure tbh if it's an isolated issue with my rounds. I doubt it but honestly, I haven't bought any others to check in fear of wasting more money.

@charliedee9276

2 жыл бұрын

@@CMB911 Glad to hear they work in your GSG. I have the Sig branded version which I have tweaked to shoot much more reliably. I'm going to give these a try in it.

@timd729

Жыл бұрын

​@@CMB911 same here.. I used to shoot them out of a Jennings j22 pocket pistol and they would work fine, never thought they jammed or misfired in any of the 22s I shot them in

I'll take accurancy over speed everytime; you did a great presentation no waste of time, we got the message!

I've still got some boxes left somewhere from a case of aquila ammo that I bought in the early 90's that is plated 36 grn hp's that are a bit faster than those normas. Their selling feature was the speed and promised "magnum" performance. If I recall correctly the stated speed was in the 1770's.

The .22lr is starting to really modernize a lot, and it’s impressive how this tiny round is so capable of so much now then just your regular ones years ago.

After watching several of your range sessions with Norma ammo in a few different calibers, I’m impressed too! Gonna have to try it out. I wondered if that 22 stuff going that fast would stabilize, but looked pretty good! 👍🏼

CCI Stingers are supposed to run about 1640 fps. with a 32 grain bullet. That is what I usually use for hunting squirrels.

@arthurharpjr7974

2 жыл бұрын

Love shooting Stingers

@jtee9548

2 жыл бұрын

Can't hunt with stingers in California and on all USFG land starting in 2022. No lead in projectiles.

@andy6043

2 жыл бұрын

@@jtee9548 Fuck that !

@francisortwein9846

2 жыл бұрын

@@jtee9548 Only in California wouldT hey pass such a stupid regulation

@endutubecensorship

2 жыл бұрын

The squirrel? The last thing that went through its mind weighed 32 grains...

Thank you for your video. Enjoyed the results.

CCI Copper is advertised as being faster at 1850fps. Both are non lead rounds but the CCI is 21 grains vs the Norma at 24 grains. If you can find some I would love to see the difference in accuracy between the two rounds.

@johnanderson186

Жыл бұрын

Plinkster did a video on those cci coppers. Accuracy starts degrading after 75 yards, due bullet weight and design. Cci even says they’re designed for hunting purposes up to 75 yards, not match long range accuracy. Just companies trying to stay ahead of the curve on the communist state lead ammo bans.

@timothytikker1147

9 ай бұрын

I've used the CCI Copper a lot -- just target practice, never hunting. I've watched a lot of videos about it, and what comes out is that it's pretty accurate, but only up to about 75 yards, after which the accuracy falls off. I have to take their word for it, since I don't have a range where I can shoot that far: never more than 25 yds. Within that range, I've found the accuracy to be good.

50 yards is my usual zero for 22 rifles. But I'm reaching out to 400 yards with my setup currently. It's all about finding what your barrel likes best, a good trigger and stock bed, and the rest is on you.

Man, I am so glad the review of this ammo is coming from you. You have the most practical application in your reviews and it is so genuine. Thanks for doing these

@WHOTEEWHO

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate you watching!

That Norma Lr almost as fast as 22 win mag . Crazy in the CZ , 👍👍

Man you come a way. I like watching cause there not much drama and bs it’s all about gunpowder and smiles!

@WHOTEEWHO

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Wesley! Appreciate you watching!

Actually, High velocity (1200-1300 MV) 22LR ammo is more sensitive to SUPERSONIC velocity disturbances than to disturbances caused by transonic region. SK (read "Lapua") engineers are working on HV bullet tolerances and to narrow MV SD in order to make best ammo for 150-200 yards. The goal is to outperform any subsonic match 22LR beyond 100 yards!

Seen so many Norma high power rounds in different calibers. Awesome find luuuvit!

Great video as always! I reckon you could call that a 1" group at 50 yards easy. Great shooting for 100 yards and for a .22LR that's an excellent group. For me this would be great ammo for bunny busting or even fox whistling within 50-70 yards. Norma make excellent (albeit expensive) ammo. Thanks for sharing!

Great review, thank you!

I have watched them shoot 500 yard matches with 22lr at the club I go to, it is crazy what some of those high dollar 22 rifles will do. As for what I would use those for, I would load them in my 22 pistol for groundhogs in the barns.

Always good to see improvements on the most popular caliber in the U.S. .22 L.R.

What an emotional roller coaster I been on today. Watched “tools and targets” KZread guy who compared this stuff to the federal punch out of a 10 in Ruger. Chronograph average for the punch was 1450 fps with the Norma average closer to 1200 fps penetration test was anemic also 9 in vs 14 in in a gel block. . I did speculate that there may be some issue with inefficient powder burn out of the 10 in barrel. I do feel better now that I watched your video. Especially since I just bought 7 boxes from Norma Shooting that are arriving today. They did have 500 ct bricks of tac 22 on sale for $44.99, got some of that too but now it’s back to $80. I love that ammunition for accuracy and reliability! Thanks Who Tee for the research and making me feel better. Merry Christmas

I never can't get enough of that song at the end of your videos your outro song you got a great voice keep it up I want to hear that on the top 40s one day while I'm cruising down the highway listening to some country

Simple yet educational and tested I like it. Research for the common man! I like it!

Man Who Tee this is the 2nd time I’ve forgot about your videos. I’m subscribed and have notifications turned on but for some reason I haven’t been notified about your videos in months. I need to just set a personal reminder to look at your videos daily because they are always really good.

@WHOTEEWHO

3 жыл бұрын

DAGGUMIT. 2 new videos every day. Appreciate you watching

Awesome to see some good alternatives. I've been impressed with the Norma cartridges. I got a few boxes of .270 Norma after your 270 video and they fly well in my setup as well. Seems like they provide pretty legit performance for a factory cartridge.

@georgesakellaropoulos8162

2 жыл бұрын

Their brass is the gold standard for reloading, so their ammo should perform, too.

The CCi non-lead 21 grain Copper-22 Meateater is listed as 1,850 fps muzzle velocity! ⚡️

As always great video. Thank you.

Great video, you just answered a bunch of questions for me. Keep'm coming Take care

@WHOTEEWHO

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

WTW !!! Nice video on comparisons , Most people would be thrilled in finding it period, during these times, Not much hunting by myself, But I do a lot of steel targets, It should dispatch anything if proper shot placement, especially if my friend WTW lays cross hairs on it ! GOD BLESS YOU AND YOURS!! Have a great week brother

Not a bad grouping out of that bolt action. Tx for the review...✌️

New subscriber here and im loving your content bud.

Nice. I love a good 22. I love my high caliber rifles but there is just something about shooting 22s that always puts a smile on everybody’s face. An all day shooting fest you just don’t get tired of!

The non lead slugs make up for the high velocity .

I like your style. Thanks for the effort.

@WHOTEEWHO

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate you watching!

Norma. That’s good stuff.

Great video, I picked up 500 of these recently and haven't shot them yet. I assumed they would be less than reliable with a 10/22 and was planning on running them through revolvers. I might shoot a box through the carbine now to see how they do. Been really impressed over the last year with the Norma in general, good quality and you can find good prices online if you are patient. I now have Norma tac and eco 22lr, 38 special, 9mm ball and defensive and 223 rem. All have ran very reliably with reasonably consistent accuracy.

I really look forward to my weekly binge of Who Tee Who videos 👍

@WHOTEEWHO

3 жыл бұрын

Always appreciate you watching Simon!

I have a raccoon problem on my farm and you have just showing me the perfect .22 ammo that I should be using. Really like your videos ‘cause you’re down to earth and shooting at the range just like I would.👍👍 shoot straight and shoot safe😎

@nickallen8333

Жыл бұрын

Try CCI stingers they are great too

Who-Tee Hank Hill -Yer the Man!!🍻👍

I think I'd rather have a 40 at 1400 vs a 24 at 1700. Then again my preferred .22 ammo is match subsonics..

@leedee9722

2 жыл бұрын

Couldn't agree more

@randomidiot8142

2 жыл бұрын

@LabRat Knatz depends on projectile shape but generally heavier is better for range. Slower being better.. eh. I've tried the CCI Quiets and they shot like 6" groups at the same range that CCI-SV was under an inch. I've tried the CCI cb longs and while they offer pellet gun ballistics my pellet guns shoot more accurately. The Aguila 60 grain rounds generally shoot pretty slow but they need a 1:9 barrel before they shoot well, and options for similar ammo and compatible barrels are slim. 🤷 Match ammo is loaded for about 1050fps, not 750 or 1250. Almost like there's a reason for it...

@wesleyk7491

2 жыл бұрын

velocitor 40 grain hits with 25 more foot pounds over this eco speed.

@robcrissinger776

2 жыл бұрын

@@wesleyk7491 Right I'll take a bigger charge and much heavier bullet over fewer grains and a bullet thats really fast and the weight of a hummingbird tail feather...

@peetsnort

2 жыл бұрын

Subsonic is the best in the brno and a suppressor. If I had one choice left that's what I would have

Wow! Great groups! I am impressed!

Good 👍 stuff, Thank you sharing, Jim

A 22lr can provide protection and food if needed. Fun and not to expensive to Trane with.

I love your videos thank you

I’d like to see it VS CCI Mini mag , Killed a lot of ground hogs with Mini mag at 100 yds with open sights and a marlin carbine

@georgegeller1902

3 жыл бұрын

My vintage 513t shoots sub 1-inch 100 yard groups with iron sites with any ammo I've tried.

@randyblackburn9765

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgegeller1902 never fired one but I have fired the Remington Target Master which was more accurate than I am , If I ever see a Match Master at auction I will bid heavily for it , thanks for pointing it out I really didn’t know that it existed.

@buncha5651

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgegeller1902 BULL SHIT

@dalemaloney255

2 жыл бұрын

@@buncha5651 wow! didja STEP in IT? bet THAT stinks. no, i cant give you a ride anywhere!

Can you believe they put a 50 minute add at the end of this. And great shooting with the super sonic 22LR.

If you wanna prove it'll run in a semi auto you should get a walther p22. Mine is pretty picky and I've heard the same from others. Mine runs on most 40gr. But when you get into the lighter stuff it's gotta be hot like a stinger. Good video man keep em coming.

I love Norma, I use their standard ammo for quiet shooting. Never had any issues with the stuff.

I subbed. Didn't realize I wasn't. Man this is a good but of information!

@WHOTEEWHO

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!!!

That's some nice ammo I will have to try in my Henry lever action see how it works. Its picky on what it shoots. Great Video

That is some pretty fast 22 ammo! The next fast as I have seen is like a yellow jacket or a stinger around 1600 to 1650

Great video like always! My Ruger 10/22 doesn't always like the fast stuff.

Thank you for theses video.. in hope test it next month...ps I hope a 22 WMR version

Thank You Sir fer sharing.

I would use that Norma super fast stuff to shoot flies off the wall. See if they're fast enough to dodge those! On a side note, anyone know a good drywall guy? Got some holes...

@taylorbell3213

3 жыл бұрын

You got a chuckle out of me

@mrdinme.4768

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, funny

@jonnporter6081

3 жыл бұрын

If you don't have any spackling paste handy, toothpaste will work. That is if you're in a hurry to fill the holes before the police arrive. lol

@mrdinme.4768

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonnporter6081 minty fresh!!

@donniegombel370

2 жыл бұрын

I can hit a fly in the eye every time. The stinger makes it hard to prove cause it takes the whole head off. On the pluses side no meat is ruined. Heard an artillery man say he cold do the same with his 105mm at 15 miles. As old as the .22 is it still never fails to provide a day full of fun for penneys. The shear number of fine firearms built for that round over the years is mind boggling.

I been wondering about that ammo thanks for the video buddy great as usual 👍

@WHOTEEWHO

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Carl

@carlwilliams6300

2 жыл бұрын

I enjoyed it buddy

For those who think a 100 yards is too long for a 22, there have been people killed with a 22 far beyond a 100 yards.

@timoivo1195

Жыл бұрын

Woman was hit with a 22lr at 1800 yards with a stray bullet as she got off a bus. She felt a pain like somebody had punched her with a fist on her ribs. Bullet penetrated her jacket and made a big bruise, nothing more serious.

@fwix771

11 ай бұрын

@@timoivo1195there’s a big difference between 100 and 1800. Pay more attention to the teachers than you do the internet bro. School might be shit- well it’s both a pool of lies and gold flakes but you do learn some useful things.

I would be happy with that group. Great video, hi from the UK 🇬🇧😁🇺🇸

Fist size for a supersonic .22 at 91 meters, good, but I think, if You send 3 shots as warm up and then use a real coloured dot, at 100m. You could an even better group. As it is within a zombie head at 150m I am satisfied. Keep the good work coming.

I would like to see the standard 22lr vs the eco speed on that clay clocks. Great video!

100 yds isn't too far for a 22 LR. When I was knee high to a grasshopper we would shoot coyotes at 150 yds. Then we got older and started reading the hunting magazines and they all said a 22LR was a 50 yd gun for "small game". Since we KNEW it was better than that, we took what we read with a grain of salt. Still, those mags started us looking for a good centerfire. Point being, people underestimate the 22LR and its acceptable accurate range.

@summers9911

2 жыл бұрын

A grain a salt? What grain is that lol,40,26,36 lol,good comment,i myself shot small game way further that 50 yards. 22lr is a good round,22 is probably 1 a my favorite rounds to shoot. I own quite a few 22lr & 22 mags,as with property,(location location location)22lr is bada$$ when ya hit the right location,

@kirkboswell2575

2 жыл бұрын

@@summers9911 - 😊 👍.

@greendanks

2 жыл бұрын

@@summers9911 and

@summers9911

2 жыл бұрын

@@greendanks and whut?

@greendanks

2 жыл бұрын

@@summers9911 and I hope you have a wonderful day. I must have replied on accident to your comment

That light bullet is slowing down fast as soon as it leaves the barrel. I would love to see at what distance it slows down to the speed of sound, at that point the wake of the bullet catches up with it and disturbs it. The point where it crosses that line would be the longest accurate range. The key to tight groups at any caliber is to either remain above the speed of sound at all times, or leave the barrel under the speed of sound.

The 2 close low shots were cold barrel shots (first 2 shots) the extreme bottom single shot was more than likely operator error, possibly a pull. The whole big group that you covered with your thumb is the actual group you could probably expect to shoot repeatedly once warmed up. Very nice shooting a 100yds. My $.02 or a grain of salt...

Hey Who_Tee! Just picked up some since I plink at my land and it doesn't hurt to put less lead into the dirt.

I love copper slugs! In hunting rifles, copper seems to work as well as lead, and a little copper in the meat is a lot healthier for you than a bunch of lead. Because energy is mass times the square of velocity, using lighter rounds usually produces _more_ energy. In that bolt action you're getting nearly 150 ft. lbs. from a .22 LR round--that's in magnum territory! After seeing gel tests, I've started carrying Underwood Extreme defender in my subcompact pistol, to get the most out of a 3" barrel. They shave a couple ounces from the loaded weight too, and that helps with comfort.

Wish we’d seen chrono from the other rifles too. Cool video as always man.

Informative video!! Your CZ rifle is a beauty!! I wonder which .22 LR round is the best penetrator?? I like the CCI Velocitor so far. Thinking self defense with an SR22

@scotth.3527

2 жыл бұрын

I have a SR22 and I love it. It's a great EDC gun.

Great video. I’d love to be able to find some of this. I love your voice man it reminds me of Hank Hill! 🤙

Wow! I did not think that the longer barrel would give it that much more speed.

@nativewarrior5052

Жыл бұрын

How long is the longer barrel? I've got a Remington 511 with a 26" barrel and wonder what it would push these light rounds to.

@1810jeff

Жыл бұрын

I suspect it's not so much the longer barrel as much as it is it being a bolt action since all the energy is used to send the projectile instead of also having to cycle the action

@scottloftin1730

Жыл бұрын

Its not just the barrel. The 10 22 is a semi auto so your using part of the pressure to cycle the rifle rather push the slug down range. Cheers

@tylesveque2373

Жыл бұрын

​@@scottloftin1730yup people don't understand that been saying that for years

norma has been cranking out the good stuff recently

@WHOTEEWHO

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

Some cool looking 22 stuff! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸🇺🇸

That was a really fun video 🤗

Mate, I loved using the classic cci stinger. This stuff next level

Definitely awesome ammo for squirrel I'll be looking for some of this. I'm catching back up on some videos, I've been in fishing mode the last few months.

What specific use would you use it for? I prefer a 40 grain .22 at subsonic speed but I'm always open to a new frame of thought.

That's impressive speed. I believe Stingrrs are 1640. They have a little bigger projectile (36gn)... it's nice to see competition to the stinger

Thanks again for another good video Be Safe and God Bless 🙏

Many people these days are so uneducated when it comes to modern 22lr ammo. They still think that old mentality, like its only for shooting rodents and soda cans. You have excellent personal defense rounds like Federal Punch and Winchester silvertip that will penetrate 16 inches out of a pistol and well past that out of a rifle, all while doing some nasty damage along the way. This looks like another great 22lr round, thanks

I have a 10/22 with the factory stainless heavy barrel. Ten round golf ball size groups a 110 yds. all day long. I'd love to see how those do in mine. Keep the squirrels nervous lol.

Howdy, was that a Savage 23AA bolt action you were using? I have my Grandpa's old 23AA and it's very accurate. Really like your channel, thanks. Ken

Excelente video mi hermano🙏😁🙏

The CCI Stinger has a 32 grain lead hollow point bullet travelling at 1640 FPS according to factory specs on the box. Try comparing this with the Eco stuff.

Defenetley a good round Nice vid thanks for sharring

@WHOTEEWHO

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

very interesting as always, i guess you could extend your range with these because of the higher velocity you might get less drop.

nice rifle set up

Thanks for sharing. I have some Norma .22 ammo I haven't sent downrange yet.

Thanks for your video! I just bought a large quantity on clearance as our local range is going lead free. I’m shooting 22lr through a 617-4 and my main concern is sticky ejection. I can run a couple of hundred rounds of Federal Target before things start binding but as few as 50 rounds of some hotter and/ or dirtier stuff. Thanks again.

@WHOTEEWHO

11 ай бұрын

Thanks for watching

Very light boolot, how do the pressures look? Do they have the hyper-sonic crack? How do you like the 457 lux, I really like mine

I would have liked to have seen a comparison of that ammo from the two semi autos along side the bolt action.

Very fun entertaining vid. “Thousand percent humidity” lol 😂

@WHOTEEWHO

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Randy

Nice group ing. Cool 👍

Very Good group!!!

I absolutely love the way southerners say “five”, forteh fahv, fity fahv, it just sounds more correct

Nice shooting!

Good stuff

Well out of my Henry frontier lever action I only got a 3 inch group at 100 feet while other ammo got around an inch or less. But looks like it can do a lot better in a good bolt action. Great video! Thanks

I'll have to keep an eye out for these. Have always been a huge fan of the CCI Stingers (1640fps) which were necessary to break in my GSG 1911 (~400 rounds). Just before the Covid came knocking on our door I went to a gun show with a seller who had a giant case of 1000 Stingers for $80. Forgot to buy before leaving. Still beating myself up for that. >. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. :)

@titusandrew946

Жыл бұрын

This stuff game my handgun a ton of issues. There’s a wax on it. If you use it clean the gun first

Thanks buffalo great work