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Excellent review! Thanks Matt! Your review on the Elmarit has convinced me and I've been saving for the 28mm F 2.8 Elmarit ASPH.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lucy! Yes the Elmarit is fantastic. You will love it! See the blog review linked under that video to see full res sample photos, digital and film. I will use again when I can travel.

@LucyS565

3 жыл бұрын

Brilliant blog review! Thank you!

I have both and I notice the Summicron being sharper than the Elmarit.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

7 ай бұрын

Nice, it will depend on the Summicron version etc. V2 should be sharper, V1 was too soft so I replaced with the Ultron.

Nice review as always!!! I'm waiting for the voigtlander comparison, the ultron looks great to

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Daniele, yes great lens.. review will come next month :)

What a great review...and the example images are!!!!!!!!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim :) I try to include example images in all my videos

Great video, awesome content! Personally, when going wider than 35 I prefer slr over rf. I feel that the wider you get, the easier it is to mess up the composition, the more advantageous it is to have a ttl preview. Of course that means more weight and bulk. Anyway, my fav wide for slr is the zeiss distagon 2/28 zf2.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lugen, ah yes I’ve seen results from that lens, really special! I nearly bought one time :)

Look forward to your review of that tiny Canon 28

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ryan, lockdown is hindering my testing somewhat but it will come. Lovely little lens!

Hi Matt! This is your best post so far IMHO. You went beyond the technical differences and demonstrated what these lenses can do: superb pictures! Do you find the innate depth of field of these lenses a hinderence even when shooting wide open? I was glad to be sitting down when the subject of price came up. While I did indulge myself once with a first generation 35mm Summicron for my beloved M3, my 28mm is a $60 FD for my Canon AE 1. It does the trick, but it is obviously not in the same league as your finery. There again, as an accomplished wedding photographer you can justify such purchases.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jeremy, thank you! Very kind I find the shallow depth using for female portraits. I posted an image tonight on Flickr and Facebook and you can see the shallow DOF even on the crop sensor CL. Yes the price shocked me too ha. When I was doing a lot of weddings I invested all the money straight back into the best glass. I just tried to give the client the best image quality possible. I'm not saying i'm anything special :)

Interesting as always. I have the 28mm Ultron and f2.8 M-Rokkor despite rarely shooting at 28mm. A downside of the M-Rokkor is that it brings up 35/135 framelines, which the CLE doesn't have, to avoid activating the 90mm frameline that is normally paired with the 28mm. When I make myself use it I rather like the results the Ultron gives me... I'm looking forward to your review!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Alistair, I will try to do some new photos with the Ultron 28mm and then put a video together. Stay tuned!

Another great and informative review Matt...many thanks. I have the Summicron 28mm f2 because I never use flash. It works really well in low light. As does the Voigtlander 35mm 1.2 III I bought following another one of your reviews. I traded in my M240 for a CL, just before the CL2 is launched if the rumours are to be believed, because the combination is so much lighter than the M240 and I don't see much difference in the results.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Peter! Congrats on your CL and lenses.. yes the Summicron is great for available light, no question.

I just got a tamron adaptall 28mm for my Leica R4 and have been enjoying the focal length.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Nathan, nice! Yes 28mm is a great walkabout focal length for me. Enjoy! :)

I fell in love with 28mm on a canon 5D-something with a Zeiss 28mm F2. Then also 25mm. I have the Summicron you reviewed (v1) in my hand, usually with the big plastic hood attached because I (as a street photographer) banging into things. I had the 25mm distagon-M you use, and I really didn’t like it. I traded for an Elmarit v4, then up’d bodies from m246 to m10m and thought I needed ASPH. Now I want the v2 Summicron. But isn’t .4m focusing (?) in the v2023 so welcome?!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! Yes those 28/2 ZE lenses can give a special look. I saw a post once. I've used my Ultron 28/2 II since getting it and sold my Summicron (but I use smaller 28s more - newer Skopar or TTA 28/5.6)

Great review and a lot of useful info given.I really fancied a Zeiss ZM 28 but i am led to believe they don't perform well on Sony bodies.Do you think Voigtlander may be due for a refresh on the 28mm i was hoping for something in the style of the 21/35/50 vintage series. Thanks.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks hopefully Voigtlander will send me a new 28mm to test if one is released. I've not heard anything yet but i've not researched it either. All their lastest lenses have been fantastic but even their own lenses like the Skopar design is great. I have a 21/25/35mm Skopars. I'm not sure about with Sony sorry.

5:30 awesome shot!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Lugen! :)

I enjoyed the review. Even though it is large in size, its worth giving a chance to the 7Artisans 28mm F / 1.4 lens.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Jeri, thanks! 7Artisans "spotted me" and wrote to me so watch this space! I can't promise that specific lens but thanks for the headsup!

This was first my Leica lens and used it a Sony 6300 until I got my Leica M10--great lens

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Ah very nice! Will be a great combo on the M10!!

Yep, Summicrons are lovely. I have the DR 5cm, 3,5cm with goggles and the weighty but wonderful 90mm Chrome, with detachable head. For me, in 28mm, the new Elmarit ASPH f2.8 is the way to go. Thanks Matt. 👌. Cheers, Kevin Parratt.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kevin. Yes agreed the Elmarit (see that video) or the new f2 Ultron :)

@kevin-parratt-artist

2 жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Yes I've saved the Video Matt, and shared it. If I make it to Europe this year, I'll be paying another visit to Wetzlar, with the Elmarit on the shopping list. Last time there in 2018, I bought the Summarit 1:2.4 75mm. What a gem!

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

2 жыл бұрын

@@kevin-parratt-artist ah very nice and a great souvenir from the trip too! :)

Matt, which film(s) do you use for most of your indoor portraits shoots?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Tad, check my Flickr images as I detail the film on every photo. In the last few years it is mostly Foma 100, expired BW400CN and Ilford Pan400/Kentmere 400.

I would like to add a 28mm to my kit and prefer native lenses. Having settled on the Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit, the 70's era pre ASPH is 60% less in cost. Is it worth going for the ASPH or are the earlier versions of the Elmarit acceptable?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, it’s all personal taste I think. The same as Summilux Pre vs ASPH. I wanted the 28 ASPH for the size and modern high performance. I’ve not used the older 28 but I’d expect it to have more character and be less perfect. Older lenses tend to have less contrast and more prone to flare too but I can’t say for sure for the 28.

Hey quick question, is it normal to experience some lag or delay on the EVF when shooting long exposures with the Leica CL ?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi JT, I might not be the best guy for this as I don't shoot long exposures.. but from memory any camera i've used in the past buffers after long exposures.

Thanks for the video. Just curious but have you ever had the opportunity to compare the Leica 28mm f/2.8 Elmarit vs ZEISS 28mm f/2.8 ZM BIOGON? I couldn't find a Zeiss review of the lens. I picked up a Leica SL2 recently and I use my M lenses with the M-L adapter.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, I've not used the 28mm Biogon sorry but the 25mm is excellent. You can check that video for an idea of rendering and contrast. I prefer the Elmarit size but Biogon rendering. Both are great.

@Peter-df1br

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks!

@ssmith954

3 жыл бұрын

I've used both. They're pretty close. I find the ZM Biogon 28mm to be superior to the non-ASPH Leica offerings, and on a par if not slightly better than the 28 Elmarit ASPH. In fact the Biogon is my favorite lens in my favorite focal length! It's absolutely phenomenal. There are a few annoyances (for me) with the ZM: - The ZM is physically slightly bigger, so you have a bit more of view finder blockage; - The aperture ring has 1/3 indents as opposed to Leica which has 1/2, so if you have a mixed set it takes some getting used to. - I prefer the focus tab on the Leica, although you do get used to the ZM pretty quickly and in real use I don't find one quicker than the other. In terms of build quality and QC, the ZM is on a par with Leica. I've had QC issues with some new Leicas (sticky aperture ring, wobbly focus ring, weak plastic on lens hoods). Others have had QC issues with ZM lenses. I haven't. I wish Zeiss made a 28mm f2 though! Hope that helps!

@Peter-df1br

3 жыл бұрын

@@ssmith954 Good morning....and thank you!

@ssmith954

3 жыл бұрын

@@Peter-df1br No problem. I love the ZM's at the wide range, and have tested quite a few from both the Leica and Zeiss ranges. The 18mm ZM beats out the Leica 18mm -- optically I can't tell them apart but the Zeiss is more usable (filters etc) and feels better built. Sadly both are now discontinued. The 21mm f2.8 ZM beats out the Leica 21mm f2.8 (pre-ASPH and ASPH), and is a phenomenal lens. Haven't compared it against the more recent Leica Super Elmar though. I also prefer the ZM 25mm to the Leica 24mm 2.8 ASPH. For the wide lenses, the Zeiss brightline finders are also much better than the Leica ones, even more so if your wear glasses. The ZM 35mm f2 Biogon also easily matches the Leica 35mm f2 Summicron. Hard to tell them apart. The Leica 35mm Summilux models are technically better than the ZM 35mm f1.4, which has a character and bokeh that is a bit peculiar and you either love or hate, plus it's pretty bulky. The ZM 50mm f2 Planar beats the Leica 50mm Summicron. Haven't tried the $$$ APO though. The Leica 50mm Summilux (pre-ASPH and ASPH) are technically better than the ZM C-Sonnar, which is also a bit of a love/hate lens too but has oodles of character. Leica has more choice in its lens range... like the 28mm f2, the wide Summilux offerings (out of my price range) and at the tele end too (75mm and 90mm), plus things like the Noctilux. Some have described the Leica lenses as having more of a warm glow and Zeiss more of a 3D pop. Maybe. Certainly in colour the ZM rendition is a bit cooler and Leica a bit warmer. One thing I would say is that for the most part, at equivalent focal lengths and apertures, they actually have more in common than they are different. Both are streets ahead of equivalent fixed focal length Nikon or Canon SLR glass. There are subtle differences in rendition but it's easy to make subjective and objective arguments in support of one or the other. I even know Magnum photographers who prefer Zeiss over Leica, and vice versa. Price wise, Leica has shot up in price over the last 20 years -- they used to be about 50% more expensive than the ZMs, but now they are sometimes triple the price. The huge price difference is really because of Leica business strategy, not the objective quality of the lenses.

Hi thank you very much, I have a Leica 28mm F2.8 the third version 1980s how much better is that to the 28mm F2.0 or the 28mm f2.8 Zeiss one if you have test them out please let me know. I do want you know I do like the 28mm F2.0 but I don't have that kind of money yet, but it look very good.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

2 жыл бұрын

The 28 f2.8 ASPH is excellent (see video), not tried 28 ZEISS but the 21&25 ZEISS ZM are really good. See 28mm Voigtlander video

Hi Matt ! Very intresting ! Very curious about the canon 28mm 2.8 LTM. Is this Canon a match for my Leica M8 ? (+ LTM/M adapter). For the moment my favorit 28mm is fix on my Leica Q. Greetings, thanks alot, Roger.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Roger! Yes the Canon will fit any M no problem but remember the M8 crop factor. You might be better with the 21mm Ultron f4 (see video) to get closer to 28mm equiv, with crop.. (That's what I did with my M8)... I used the Biogon 21mm f2.8

@tuftufclub159

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks alot, Matt ! I always appreciate your clear advice ! Greetings ;-)

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

@@tuftufclub159 thanks Roger. Next video out in a few hours :)

I wonder how the new voigtlander 28mm f2 ultron 2 shapes up against the competition? looks a nice lens at a decent price.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stephen, I have the v1 lens and will try to get the v2 to review once I catch up with my videos.

I am struggling with the 21mm Elmarit and the 28mm Elmarit for my CL. Which focal length should I choose for streets snap shots and traveling pictures with family?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, 28mm on the CL should be great for street but everyone is different. If you don't like to get in close try 35mm or 50mm. I prefer 28mm to 35mm for travel (and 21mm even better in a busy place). Family I like 35mm for 2+ people or 1 in environment. (Assuming full frame**) If the digital CL then you have the crop factor - I use 35mm the most with models on the CL.

@burtonlee706

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I’ve a Leica Q which I use for family traveling these years. 21mm for CL cropped will be closed to 28mm Q. Ok, lets get a 28mm that becomes 31.5mm cropped on the CL then. Make some differences.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

@@burtonlee706 yes 25mm or 28mm are nice on the CL

Whats your take on the 28mm Rokkor? I am often tempted by that one.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi Anthony, i've not used it but here it is good. I love my Minolta 40mm.

@asteele911

3 жыл бұрын

​@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom well I hope we dont both end up bidding for the same one on ebay. I am going to have to rewatch your tips for winning on ebay video, just in case

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

@@asteele911 haha no you are safe. I have enough lenses for now! :)

I has the cron 28 and after using about 2 years it got the (famous) loose and moving front part problem. Brought it to Leica for repair :120€. Since that time I decided buy no more modern leica lenses. My lenses from 1950s-60s are better, strong as tank,never had any problems.

@Funktrainer

3 жыл бұрын

I only have Leitz glass from the 50s and 60s. Not a single issue. Why is there a plastic focusing tab on such a pricy lens??? The modern lens hoods are also a bad joke compared to the older round clamp on designs.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hi sorry for late answer and thanks for this info. Hopefully mine will be OK but good to know thanks. Sorry to hear about your lens.

@vu_derArchitekt

3 жыл бұрын

I love the rendering from this lens, still my most favorite, but its build is bad compare to leica lens from the past. And the hood is also terrible. I dont know how long can it last. Maybe it will have died soon after few years.

I find in general Leica M lenses wider then 35 mm too overpriced for what they deliver better than alternatives. I love my CV 28/2 which you mentioned. Curious about the direct comparison between Ultron and Summicron in the future.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin! Yes I think it's a case of Voigtlander offering much better value.

I really like your videos

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Kevin! I post 2 a week and I think there’s around 150 posted so far :)

Sorry you probably mentioned this but is this the asph V2?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Rob, sorry for delay. I think it is the latest one, but check Google image to be 100%. This is 6 bit coded. If you are looking to buy and in the UK message me via Instagram @MrLeicaCom

@taneltinnuri8985

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom why u want to sell it?? 😅

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

@@taneltinnuri8985 I bought it for weddings for low light but am not shooting many now (especially with Covid) so I never use it. I tend to shoot 50mm.

Hi yes I do have this lens, I just have not put it to used yet. But it is great lens.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

Жыл бұрын

I got it for weddings for low light wide angle stuff but now use the Leica Q instead.

Would I be happy with the Leica 50mm f/1.4 and 28mm f/2? Yes. But I am maybe even more happy with my Zeiss ZM 50mm f/1.5 and 28mm f/2.8. Why? Because I spent a total of about $1,700 on those two lenses (bought new in Tokyo) and I am much more comfortable shooting and traveling with a kit that’s $6,000 cheaper. Plus both of the Zeiss lenses are quite good and have lovely rendering.

@ssmith954

3 жыл бұрын

Quite good? I actually prefer the Zeiss wides against the equivalent Leicas (18mm f4, 21mm f2.8, 25mm f2.8, 28mm f2.8, 35mm f2). I'd like a 28mm Summicron, but hard to justify $3500 extra for an extra stop that I rarely need, and the 28mm 2.8 Biogon is probably my favorite lens of all time. The Zeiss ZM 50mm 1.5 Sonnar is also a terrific lens -- a bit of an acquired taste compared to the more optically perfect Summilux but some users actually prefer it. I own both ZM and Leica glass but find myself using ZM more at the wider end.

@ZachBie

3 жыл бұрын

@@ssmith954 I have a 50mm Summicron VIII, and a 135mm f/4, the rest of my lenses are Zeiss and Voigtlander. I think that the Zeiss lenses are better than Leica in a lot of ways, such as better flare resistance and I think Zeiss lens hoods are superior for quick filter changes too.

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Zach, sorry I missed this one, ye smy mindset is shifting more to your way of thinking as time goes on and agreed I love the Biogons :)

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Zeiss optically are great but they can be a lot bigger than Voigtlander/ Leica (especially Voigtlander)

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed I really like the Biogon rendering in any mount - ZM, CRF and especially the mighty SWC Hasselblad! :)

Hi Matt, still own that lens?

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

This is an amazin optic called "The eye of God". Nowadays unfortunatelly I would like to sell because I am not use so much because I use most of the time my trielmar. I have posted in craiglist and sharegrid. I am living in Los Angelesany interested contact to me

@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom

2 жыл бұрын

I sold mine too and replaced with the sharper Voigtlander Ultron 28/2.8 v2. TriElmar - nice!