“Now this is where it gets interesting” Jon please stop, there’s only so interesting this can get, you’ve said it like 40 times I want to see my family again

@dustyb58

4 жыл бұрын

if he's explaining, it's interesting. if he's exploring, it's intriguing. :)

@MitchellImohA7X

4 жыл бұрын

Somebody escaped from the dungeon.

@monsterurby

4 жыл бұрын

I dunno why this caught me off guard, but I wish I hadn't read it at work... while drinking coffee.

@tomhoughton775

4 жыл бұрын

Much like his catchphrases of "a little bit on the [adjective] side..." or "keep on keeping on"

@valdrrakdraconis8206

4 жыл бұрын

replace interesting with gross. All these practices by bethesda are horrible and I cant imagine the next games are not going to follow these practices.

Fallout 76 is the most entertaining game I’ve never played

@hamzahsajjad7952

4 жыл бұрын

Calling it. this comments gonna blow up with likes after a couple hours

@jorenbaplu5100

4 жыл бұрын

@@hamzahsajjad7952 yeah for some reason people still upvote copy paste comments

@totalwar1793

4 жыл бұрын

Such a good game that I don't need to buy it to get entertainment

@maetbag187

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta love the warm feeling watching the dumpster fire.

@spiritupgrades

4 жыл бұрын

John is like 9 to 11 months late but at least you got here in the end

The fake discount thing is straight up illegal.

@stevencleere4912

4 жыл бұрын

only in some countries

@Jew1469

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevencleere4912 It's illegal in both the US and the EU. So Bethesda is breaking the law.

@cptbrickbeardgaming6764

4 жыл бұрын

Literally every company does it it’s a marketing strategy

@JonasDAtlas

4 жыл бұрын

@@cptbrickbeardgaming6764 Most jurisdictions require that an item has to have actually been sold under the "previous price" for some period of time, otherwise it's misleading marketing. The US might not care much, but in the EU there are some serious financial penalties for this as it's generally regarded as both misleading to the consumer and anticompetitive.

@cptbrickbeardgaming6764

4 жыл бұрын

Jonas D. Atlas ya I would doubt it in Europe but I know in the US you can do it and the government doesn’t really care I’m not saying it’s right I’m saying it’s a marketing tactic they teach

As someone who has sent almost 20 years working in retail I will say that just because something is done repeatedly doesn’t mean it was necessarily successful it can also mean that it was the plan and lots of times people in high positions refuse to admit the plan isn’t working

@theirishviking9278

4 жыл бұрын

sure you're not describing politics?

@ryderninja

4 жыл бұрын

@@theirishviking9278 the two of you are being very generous to people who work outside of retail and politics. People are generally just bad at things.

@73_65

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryderninjaFor politics, incompetence isnt a valid excuse for anything, in the case of game devs its only valid for so long, and when its clear the dev isnt learning from their mistakes, you should leave them.

@PHANTOMVERSE

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds just like the Labour Party.

@RevyaAeinsett

4 жыл бұрын

@@73_65 It's not usually even the Devs' fault, though. Most devs don't want their game to be a heartless microtransaction coffin that players shit on. It's all on the publishers who dictate these kinds of decisions.

"...so they can sell you a solution to a problem they created." That line speaks volumes to Bethesda's whole approach and intention with F76.

@bladeofveng

4 жыл бұрын

it just works

@AgentofChaos315

4 жыл бұрын

This reminds me of Jim Sterling, he's always saying that, and it's true.

@Ellanion

4 жыл бұрын

That's literally any digital game with microtransactions ever. I'm not saying this to defend Bethesda, it's a horrible and widespread practice that makes me ashamed to be a part of the industry.

@noblerook

4 жыл бұрын

Ellanion yeah, part of the boiling frog metaphor I’d say

@renammartinez

4 жыл бұрын

That's computer 101

Designed to be flawed to sell the solution, it’s just depressing

@Rush2201

4 жыл бұрын

It's pretty much the universal model of games with cash shops, and it's why so many people are vehemently against micro-transactions.

@ayderla789

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rush2201 i dont understand why people are so against microtransactions granted i very rarely buy any.

@fingusa

4 жыл бұрын

@@ayderla789 You just said this as a reply to a comment that explains why... which was made for a video that explains why.

@ayderla789

4 жыл бұрын

@@fingusa yeah i know it should be more obvious but as far as i can tell everyone hates bethesda

@demetriuss6101

4 жыл бұрын

@@Rush2201 Most people aren't against microtransactions. They make sense for a game to fund future updates without splitting the community by selling them as individual map packs or questlines in expansions that only part of the community gets to participate in. Some companies take it too far by making the transactions feel necessary.

"Turn your players into payers!"

@comyuse9103

4 жыл бұрын

I'm only paying if they give me a tv that looks like an apple

@xaosbob

4 жыл бұрын

Or Ekans.

@DrGreenThumbNZL

4 жыл бұрын

At least they dont e-beg monthly patreon donations for making shitty amatuar youtube videos...

@ryudhal

4 жыл бұрын

@Forsaken Pumpkin An asinine point deserves an asinine response.

@neverstopz9045

4 жыл бұрын

@@ryudhal touche

When Bethesda becomes as greedy as their games' corporations. I R O N I C

@spacebearcadet746

4 жыл бұрын

At least in game they'd turn you into the hulk. Edit: before anyone says anything, I got the joke from honest trailers for the outer world's.

@Ellanion

4 жыл бұрын

One of the more pointed comments I heard about this is about Bethesda missing the point so much that they took the in-game mascot literally parodying corporate greed and are unironically using it to shell out their products.

@fuzzydunlop7928

4 жыл бұрын

@Conn Benn Depends on our conceptualization of 'ownership'. Legally - in the world at large - Bethesda was granted rights as the owner of the franchise through an accepted and observed transaction in which they purchased the rights to profit off of the images and properties and any such challenge to their ownership of the IP and their ability to profit off the success of said IP would not likely be taken seriously. Unofficially, we know as fans of the franchise that what is now considered property of Bethesda is little more than goods masterminded by others who put their love and labor into their creation - and as such Bethesda is granted little authorial integrity in the court of public opinion. Basically how Disney purchased the ability to make money off the Star Wars IP, but this hardly means anyone need accept their version of the canon.

@darko1295

4 жыл бұрын

lmao they've always been that way. Remember Horse Armor DLC for Oblivion? Skyrim getting rereleased a thousand times?

@o.g.millennials

4 жыл бұрын

@Conn Benn It doesn't matter. It's theirs now. Deal with it.

On the 8th day of Christmas Jon gaveth on too me, Corruption in the gaming indu-hu-stry.

@smgeezus7186

4 жыл бұрын

Clever clever

@Kaarl_Mills

4 жыл бұрын

"lets all laugh at an industry that never learns anything tee hee hee!"

@kokosan09

4 жыл бұрын

beautiful /applause

@Drew_42

4 жыл бұрын

**Cough Cough** Electronic Arts **Cough Cough**

@restoshammy0863

4 жыл бұрын

i dont think corruption is the correct term to use here. shitty cunts maybe, but corrupt it aint.

It's funny how a level-headed analysis of the Atom shop seems so much more scathing than all of the rants about this game. Great video!!!

@pickle5666

4 жыл бұрын

An objective analysis of the system with simple explanations of how the system exploits the consumer will always be more effective than a vaguely coherent rant that assumes it's own premise.

@legion999

4 жыл бұрын

Not really though? I'm not sure you know what scathing means.

@legion999

4 жыл бұрын

@@pickle5666 All this has been already said and explained months ago or more . And judging by the public perception of 76, the "rants" have been both effective and coherent enough.

@GHOSTRIDER373737

4 жыл бұрын

@@legion999 Good joke...Yooooonnnng out!!!!!

@weedblaster2125

4 жыл бұрын

The best video about FO76 is Fall of 76 by internethistorian :)

It's a real shame that Wales can't see that they are ruining the games they claim to love, by continually buying these FOMO items. The Welsh people have a lot to answer for.

@charlesfranks1902

4 жыл бұрын

It's whales, not Wales.

@Monkey_SK

4 жыл бұрын

@@charlesfranks1902 you would say that, Charles Prince of Wales!

@TheWoodlandYeti

4 жыл бұрын

@@charlesfranks1902 Someone clearly didn't read to the end of the comment ;)

@ShardtheWolf

3 жыл бұрын

Not gonna lie, they had us in the first half

@elel9640

3 жыл бұрын

Leave the Brits out of this. They ain't dunuffin

Little addendum: The Dardevil Outfit that started it all was based on (And came out during the death anniversary of) Evel Knievel. So it all started when Bethesda profited off the 11th anniversary of the death of a man. A small outrage did happen but it was drowned by the hundred of others happening at the same time.

It looks like Todd Howard revoked Jon's access to the Exclusive Bethesda Women™.

@metetural9140

4 жыл бұрын

I think you mean they've taken the .44 magnum from the back of his skull

@tomm5663

4 жыл бұрын

“No, please! I’ll delete the video, I’ll do anything! JUST GIVE ME BACK MY BETHESDA WOMEN!!”

@masterbrandle

4 жыл бұрын

Jon is honest about when he is being paid he admits it and will own up to it and still give his honest opinion. He wanted 76 to be good but it fell terribly short

@tomm5663

4 жыл бұрын

Vance Jacobs is joke

@tomm5663

4 жыл бұрын

@Vance Jacobs they're all joking

This one will be interesting... I mean, they all are, but this one especially

@hopin8krzys

4 жыл бұрын

Very interesting indeed

The way Bethesda sold the solution to the problem they created was so underhanded. Making repair kits essential to the vault raids but not explicitly endorsing them is extremely scummy.

@matthimfsmfs7194

3 жыл бұрын

Love the Star Trek pfp

@AzraelFPV

3 жыл бұрын

Question, are we saying nessecery without having high level repair perks alongside high damage output

@jebalitabb8228

3 жыл бұрын

I never needed a single repair kit and got all the different power armor types you could craft from it. You must have been playing it wrong, my group had little to no difficulties other than the tediousness of it

It’s so funny to me that fallout was always a game the poked fun at the absurd consumerism in the world before the war, and Bethesda just did not get the joke... and did this....

To get the full experience of this video, you don't need to pay 1000 Atoms - you just need to replace Jon's "where things got very interesting indeed" with "when the clusterfuck got even worse"

@nadrewod999

4 жыл бұрын

It's Fallout 76, an always-online semi-MMO NPC-free story-free looter shooter (with broken looting AND shooting mechanics), marketed as a sequel to a long-running series of fully-offline single-player NPC-filled story-driven looter shooters. Fallout 76 was doomed to ALWAYS BE a clusterflip from the moment they called it Fallout and tied it to Bethesda's long-outdated Morrowind engine.

@comyuse9103

4 жыл бұрын

@@nadrewod999 yeah, i don't know how the people who thought this would turn out well survive in this world. its these kinda fools that keep grifters in business and keeps me questioning why i do real work instead of selling snake oil.

@demetriuss6101

4 жыл бұрын

@@nadrewod999 It was never marketed as a sequel (especially since it's the earliest setting for a Fallout game). No one expected Fallout 5, but when they found out it was Fallout, they NEEDED it to be Fallout 5. Which is why so many people are following it to this day. It's that "so close, yet so far" and since it's getting continually updated, people are hoping to force Bethesda to make it into what they want. Also, if it weren't on the creation engine, people wouldn't be as interested. ESO tried to be on it but couldn't get the game to work. As a result, it's not Skyrim online and doesn't draw in the same crowd. Say what you will about the engine, but you don't get the same gameplay without it.

I love how much effort you put into these video essays they always feel so well researched and passionate instead of just someone trying to start controversy or drama

@Ris3451

4 жыл бұрын

That's what happens when someone CARES about a franchise(also Jon is a complete madman of data gathering). As opposed to people that just want to bank on controversies after reading a couple of posts on reddit.

@legion999

4 жыл бұрын

@@Ris3451 "someone CARES about a franchise" Bullshit. If he cared about the franchise so much he wouldn't have been defending 76 for so long. " people that just want to bank on controversies" And Jon wasn't "banking" on this game to make video content? Piss off.

@PHANTOMVERSE

4 жыл бұрын

@@legion999 I lost faith in Jon when he defended Fallout 3, then Fallout 76 came along and he became Bethesda defender extroardinaire

@Ris3451

4 жыл бұрын

@@legion999 then go have fun with your Outer Worlds. No franchise needs elitists and no one will miss you.

@walterrequiem6467

4 жыл бұрын

@@PHANTOMVERSE What the hell is wrong with him defending Fallout 3? His analysis on it is fair and actually looking at the game on a more in depth level than most people who make videos on it for the sake of ragging on it. Just because Bethesda made it, and because Bethesda does shady shit with the Fallout franchise now does not mean Fallout 3 was like that.

I feel like it's worse that a decent chunk of the outfits they're selling in the shop are ported from fallout 4 and then put behind a paywall.

Imagine if every time jon said "this is where it gets interesting" a layer of vsauce music is added

Fallout 76 is simply Todd Howard's Screw Everyone Run.

@mid-nite_drive-thru

4 жыл бұрын

Just dropping in from the future to note that in 8 months' time, with the inclusion of a single comma, this comment will seem weirdly prescient. In the interest of avoiding spoilers, it will not be revealed which of the two logical positions for said punctuation will turn out to have made the most sense.

@radzilla748

3 жыл бұрын

@@mid-nite_drive-thru this is actually messing me up a bit🥴

@expressrobkill

2 жыл бұрын

Its not Todd Howard making the decisions but I’m not suggesting he was against it either given fallout 4 and fallout shelter,

9:00 Litrally illegal in many nations.

@ultraderpus

4 жыл бұрын

@Rule falsely "discounting" products you haven't previously sold/advertised at a higher msrp

@lud3re384

4 жыл бұрын

Including the entire European Union.

@metetural9140

4 жыл бұрын

@@lud3re384 but don't worry! Boris is gonna "fix" that!

@Jayfive276

4 жыл бұрын

Keep watching the video chuckleheads, this is literally covered a few seconds later.

@exantiuse497

4 жыл бұрын

Jayfive 276 Jon said "there are pretty strict rules" about doing that, the other commenters specified that there aren't just "strict rules" but it's literally illegal

Drinking game: take a shot every time things get very, very interesting indeed.

@gl1tchspectre_

4 жыл бұрын

Alternatively: How to Kill Your Liver in Only a Few Easy Steps.

"Selling something that can be infinitely produced at zero cost isn't a service, it's the death of economics as a concept!" -Yahtzee

@hamos4744

4 жыл бұрын

I know it's been 4 months but I love this quote. What's it from?

@chellejohnson9789

3 жыл бұрын

@@hamos4744 the zero punctuation episode on Ghost Recon Breakpoint

@tatarkhan33

3 жыл бұрын

Well its suppose to cost the time and work spe d making it but its still a scam it cost to buy an item should be 30 40 50 atoms also there is no insurence that the game will not just delete the iten so it should be chaeper

@azyrael96

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, these assets had to be created by someone who was paid for it, and are dlc beyond that. The problem is not that they exist, rather the absolutely insane prices.

Oh you forgot a part of the story in general. There was an update that literally showed where they were going. There was an update that literally made it so you got Ore instead of the pure scrap. It was a "stealth" update. :P

@BradTheAmerican

4 жыл бұрын

By stealth update do you mean hotfix? Those can be done server side without the players needing to download anything on their end

@BradTheAmerican

4 жыл бұрын

@Zach Bell But the reason for having a hotfix instead of a full patch update is that it's usually a small technical thing that can be quickly implemented. It's weird to think that it's some secret conspiracy to hide things from people. I'd hazard a guess that they were simply "fixing" an oversight with the scrap to ore thing. In any case, Idk if op is referring to a hotfix or simply details being left out of patch notes that had to be discovered by players. After looking up some old forums, I found surely questionable details left out of patch notes, but these were from last year and not recent so Idk if they're still doing these so-called "stealth" changes.

@demetriuss6101

4 жыл бұрын

@@BradTheAmerican They still do stealth changes, it's just impossible to tell whether it's intentional or not.

@Eon2641

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know why you'd give Bethesda the benefit of the doubt considering they released fallout 76

@BradTheAmerican

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eon2641 It's not necessarily that I'm giving Bethesda the benefit of the doubt, but rather that I'm questioning what I perceive to be a flawed criticism and then I give a possible alternative. Talk shit about bad game design and poor business practices or whatever, that's fine, but we can't know that their intent is doing so-called stealth updates for the purposes of tricking or hiding things from players.

The frog analogy is perfect

@exantiuse497

4 жыл бұрын

The frog analogy originates from a science experiment where the scientists found out that the frog indeed stays put on slowly warming water... as long as you sever a few nerves first. "People really hate frogs" indeed

@freakymoejoe2

4 жыл бұрын

It's the perfect way to describe the encroachment of corporate greed and microtransactions in games in general. Little by little over 10 years.

@patrickbo2045

4 жыл бұрын

Also, the frogurt is cursed!

@thepebbleinstitute7702

4 жыл бұрын

*Concerned Kermit Noises*

@legion999

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah well I knew this water was gonna be boiling before they put it on the stove.

The frogs may be boiling alive but the whales can stand the heat.

@tommymarett7725

4 жыл бұрын

jheuflfl thegamer lmaoooo

@AdmiralBison

4 жыл бұрын

No they can't. Whales are those who's OCD are being exploited whether they are willing to admit it or not. There is also an impression that Whales are rich and able to afford thousands of dollars of micro transactions and loot boxes when often they are reported as having their parents bank accounts charged in the thousands. The majority of the profits for F2P mobile games, egregious micro transactions and loot boxes for AAA publishers come from a small segment of the gaming population. Before you may consider that this only effects the small population who pays for the majority of these micro transactions leaving everything else "relatively free" for everyone else, it has incentivized the game industry to design more and more games around recurring monetization (which this video has pointed out) - games as a service (live services, game streaming - Stadia) - Fallout 76's growing Atom store - Microsoft's attempt at the Xbox one online only functionality (of course that was stopped) and more.

@LumiMoonCh

4 жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralBison In financial jargon, a whale is someone who has a lot of wealth to spread around; a high roller. Also, I made an offhand joke about rich people being able to afford to spend in these shops and their need to have every new thing, no matter the cost. I don't need you coming at me like I was the one who invented the concept of loot boxes/game shops. If you have a problem, take it up with Bethesda.

@AdmiralBison

4 жыл бұрын

@@LumiMoonCh definition - A high roller, also referred to as a whale, is a gambler who consistently wagers large amounts of money. High rollers often receive lavish "comps" from casinos to lure them onto the gambling floors, such as free private jet transfers, limousine use and use of the casinos' best suites. Casinos may also extend credit to a player to continue betting,[1] offer rebates on betting turnover or losses,[2] and salaries of employees may also contain incentive arrangements to bring in high rollers.[3] - Wikipedia.

@AdmiralBison

4 жыл бұрын

@@LumiMoonCh no where in the definition is a whale who has a lot of wealth, most addicted gamblers are not wealthy, and often than not are in debt. "person has to get a second job to feed their (name addiction) addiction" There are more reports on the news of people having their parents bank accounts charged in the thousands. If whales were truly wealthy, it wouldn't actually be an issue, but they are not. It's misconception whales are wealthy and it also ignores the problem when it come to OCD being exploited and gambling addiction - debt.

I miss the good old days when a game was just released the company made money, maybe release some dlcs with new maps or levels. Than move onto a sequel, but nooooo “we have to have micro transactions”

this video would be better known as forty two and half minutes on Bethesda's transformation into EA

@bogatyr2473

4 жыл бұрын

Dont kid yourself, Bethesda have always been greedy, they're just also incompetent so until now most of their schemes blew up before they could do much damage.

@merlance13

4 жыл бұрын

Horse armour?

@crazyinsane500

4 жыл бұрын

Now, to be fair to EA, when one of EA's shills (Gggmanlives) failed to disclose that he was bribed, they backed out of the bribe hard because that's illegal. When Bethesda's shills don't disclose their bribe (Oxhorn, Juicehead, Kingfanman) they are fine with it. Oh, and you can at least say some EA games are functional. So, even EA isn't as bad as Bethesda.

@demetriuss6101

4 жыл бұрын

@@crazyinsane500 Juicehead operates on the cautious side (cautious towards Bethesda) most likely do to his viewers (presumable like you) unsubscribing and losing him money if he's too casual when talking about Bethesda, and not angry mob tantruming.

@kian1941

4 жыл бұрын

Wasn't Bethesda the first game company to introduce microtransactions to the gaming industry?

*Internet Historian wants to know your location*

@metetural9140

4 жыл бұрын

Bethesda Game Studios. Very serious business

@armitage1950

4 жыл бұрын

My first thought as well.

@TheSenCost

4 жыл бұрын

The Fall of 76 pt. 2 featuring Many A True Nerd, that would be something

@mikkaway123

4 жыл бұрын

Buckle Up Buckeroos

@badams4982

4 жыл бұрын

I'm sure he could find the location if he wanted to

*looks at the various packages being sold, including tons of outfits that wouldn't even exist until at least the time of Fallout 3* As if immersion weren't already shot to hell... at this point, I just have in my headcanon that FO76 is the fever-dream of a former ( and currently comatose) Vault Overseer.

The short version. 5:10 Timed exclusives. 9:00 "Sales". 16:00 Recurring exclusives. 18:33 Messing with modes. 20:50 Pay for convenience. 23:23 Pay for exclusivity. 33:55 Subscription service.

@eduardo_carvajal

3 жыл бұрын

neat

9:00 That's literally illegal under the EU's European Customer Protection Laws. lol

@gargoyles9999

4 жыл бұрын

Todd Howard: I will make it legal

@icthulu

4 жыл бұрын

That's also illegal in the US.

@LordEdmund1973

4 жыл бұрын

And in Australia

@CyberFridge

4 жыл бұрын

And in Canada

@nateg452

4 жыл бұрын

@@icthulu no it's not "James Kohm, head of the enforcement division at the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), told NBC News there are no specific federal rules about how long a sale can run." “It’s an area of enforcement that’s been left to the states,” Kohm said. The law that is there is left vague on purpose to allow states to have their own laws.

As someone who's played video games (on PC) for a long time (I'm 65), including a lot of Fallout and Skyrim, and who's been recently playing a lot of The Outer Worlds, I have to say that the insane corporate society of Halcyon seems a lot less fantasy and a lot more like our contemporary reality when I contemplate Fallout 76 and The Atom Store, etc.

@B-T-L

4 жыл бұрын

Terry Lawhon agreed, I’m 42 and go way back to the c64. These developers are losing their minds trying to nickel and dime. Remember to get Cyberpunk-seems that CDProjektRed are some of the only real game developers left at the AAA level.

@wojtekthebear4958

4 жыл бұрын

A good part of this is the hyper-monopolistic competition going on. The price of video games have no kept up with inflation at all. For instance, a game today still costs as much as a game did when the Xbox 460 was released nearly 15 years ago. Adjusted for inflation, that means that about 25% of their value has been lost. Normally a company would be able to raise prices to keep things balanced, but for extremely competitive consumer product markets, this isn't always the case. You try being the only gaming company to charge $65 for your games and watch the internet skewer you. Because of this, companies have been looking for other ways to keep their profit up. I'm not trying to defend Bethesda at all, but it's pretty clear that there's a lot of market pressure to raise the price of video games.

@lukebytes5366

4 жыл бұрын

Wojtek The Bear why is this a good thing though?

@wojtekthebear4958

4 жыл бұрын

@@lukebytes5366 Sorry, I didn't mean good as in beneficial, but good as in a large part.

@owengrove5089

4 жыл бұрын

how is the outer worlds? how does it compare to new vegas?

In other words, this is a marketing scheme disguised as a game. I feel like The Outer Worlds is mocking Bethesda and modern Fallout.

@richardnorthcutt9356

4 жыл бұрын

I liked fallout 76 better than the outer worlds a lot actually. The outer worlds definitely isnt much compared to a mainstream fallout game, but fallout 76 is enjoyable for other reasons to me, it was superchill to play. (I never spent on the atomshop or fallout 1st)

@YouTubecanfuckagoat

4 жыл бұрын

Richard Northcutt ... it’s shite. FO76 is utter shite.

@KitKatHexe

4 жыл бұрын

@@richardnorthcutt9356 I appreciate when people have their own opinions For me personally, especially early on, the reasons that most people hating the game are what I found enjoyable. The chronic instability, the buggy fucking mess that it was... Was basically just any other Bethesda game on launch, only this time round they didn't even try to fix it... But that was compensated for by the fact that, if your falling through the world every five minutes your gonna get annoyed really fast, but if you're falling through the world _with friends_ you're gonna have a fucking blast. That's what was great about early 76 the community was just a bunch of chucklefucks trying to have fun Something you'd never see in a game that is actually worth buying on its own... At least not to that degree, but these days I haven't even looked at the game in months bc all the people I used to play with abandoned it soon after Christmas... I still occasionally redownload to just get hit with some good memories but that's it But yeah... I'm glad you enjoy what you enjoy, don't let anyone take that from you.

@sugoistalin7809

4 жыл бұрын

@Luke Sexton And that it was "shite" was his opinion.

@cjcathead2468

3 жыл бұрын

@@KZreadcanfuckagoat And The Outer Wilds was a polished disappointment, we are talking about two very low bars here.

Here’s one issue with the Atom store I have never heard addressed. It games like this, I like collecting unique equipment and armors, if only to keep them as souvenirs, to be reminded of the adventure I went on to obtain it. You can’t get that same feeling from buying a bunch of outfits and armors in the Atom store. All they could remind me of, is the real world money I had to waste on them.

@TheDMG45

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, they're only satisfying to get if you earn them in game. otherwise what's the point

You missed quite a few things that Bethesda did that affected how players would be forced to interact with the Atom Store. There was how the resource collection stations were nerfed making getting junk harder to get as well as ammunition and fusion cores so the repair kits were far more attractive. There was reduction in effectiveness for intelligence cards which affected how slow the degradation on weapons and how much of a boost you got to repairing the said weapons and armor. And lets not forget the stun baton a weapon which is only available through purchase in the Atom Shop. I am still waiting for them to follow that up with stringer weapons only sold through the Atom shop. Oh I almost forgot is how the daily and weekly quests reduced the amount of Atoms you could earn in game.

@Spiffo0

4 жыл бұрын

All of this is false. Repair kits were easy to get for free and we're never that useful. Resources have always been easy to get and ammo is even easier.

@lostsunrise5392

4 жыл бұрын

not only that but if you compare with the game launch the daily atom challenges have been getting more and more specific to the point were they were almost impossible to complete. It first started when they launched the camera and it got progressively more absurd and it doesn't even end there; many of their challenges are bugged and your progress don't register.

@sapphicseas0451

4 жыл бұрын

@@Spiffo0 what the fuck are you talking about??

@xanderfirth4182

4 жыл бұрын

JackOfBlades The shipmaster almost all of the daily and weekly challenges are ridiculously easy to complete so idk what you are on about

I have to say, I love the way you do these. I don’t usually watch video essay type things, especially ones of this length, but you have a way of keeping your topics interesting and super informative. I look forward to the next one!

@metetural9140

4 жыл бұрын

Come on Minsc! Let's be valiant heroes! For fame and glory!

"good afternoon is John I'm John this is Betty a true nerd we'll come back to fallout 76" this is the closest the captions have gotten since I've started doing this.

That's why I love this channel, calling out Bethesda when they need it. I've been a Fallout player since Fallout 1, I'm 47, I love the franchise but never liked the Fallout 76 model

@PHANTOMVERSE

4 жыл бұрын

Calling them out for the weakest reason and at the end of the discussion, nice.

@sandraswan9008

3 жыл бұрын

>calling out Bethesda You're on the wrong channel

@AydarBMSTU

2 жыл бұрын

@@PHANTOMVERSE the whole video he was calling them out, you dumbass)

All I can hear ringing in my head is Angry Joe's "$16 for BLUE? For F***ing BLUE". I watched this because I wanted to support Jon, not this rubbish game or the dodgy practices of Bethesda.

@T0rrente18

4 жыл бұрын

I remember watching his 2 hour video talking about the game and the 3 guys looked visually exhausted and saying how they couldn't take more of it and just rushed the review because of concerns with their health

@mythshark409

4 жыл бұрын

*zeni max

@legion999

4 жыл бұрын

Weren't people complaining about this immediately? Maybe Jon wasn't paying attention

@comyuse9103

4 жыл бұрын

jon is far, far too permissive towards bad games and worse business, i'm really glad to see it whenever he actually looks at a near ubiquitously agreed on failure with a critical eye

@wind2536

4 жыл бұрын

Angry Pedro more like

I think the thing that really annoys me with these sorts of monetization practices are the sale of solutions to problems the developers created in the first place. Turn the nob back on one thing, then have a handy dandy item to get that nob righted again. It's an awful, anti-consumer practice made worse by the fact it works and is insanely profitable, so it's not going away any time soon. I remember a few weeks before Fallout 76 released, I went to the Bethesda shop page to consider preordering it. I mean, I try not to preorder games, but if it's something I'm going to buy anyway, I usually do so for convenience. And it was a new Fallout game. My mouse cursor was hovering over the button to add it to the cart, then I decided against it. I figured I'd see how it reviewed and how it looked in full release before taking the plunge. Boy am I glad I didn't click that button.

@EQOAnostalgia

4 жыл бұрын

So you never played it then? So you watched videos for a year, on a game you didn't try, and you've made up your mind then? Interesting.

@minerva9843

4 жыл бұрын

@@EQOAnostalgia We as a species have only been able to accomplish what we have because everyone doesn't have to reinvent the wheel, so to speak. Reviews are beneficial because that allows one to get a basic opinion of something without having to potentially waste time and money. If you know enough about your own likes/dislikes, you don't have to have direct, first hand experience to make a fairly good decision.

@RobBCactive

4 жыл бұрын

@@EQOAnostalgia the game's too boring, the content about the dumpster fire is far more entertaining. No, I didn't need to watch S8 of GoT either, the signs were there in S7, reviews confirmed them.

@noel_21

4 жыл бұрын

@@EQOAnostalgia When the evidence is so overwhelming, you don't need to play the game to form an obvious opinion. And that coming from me that has played the game. Also, it's not just about gameplay, it's about the blatant manipualtive anto consumer practises too. Which you neglect.

@sandraswan9008

3 жыл бұрын

@@EQOAnostalgia shut your mouth, you don't seem as smart as you think you are.

I like the analogy with the frog and boiling water. Perfect example of what's happening here

Am I glad you put that link to F76 in the description, Bethesda definitely deserve the courtesy.

11:20 there's an interesting story about how first second and third classes in trains came about at the beginning.

This just makes me shudder for the inevitable mod-shop for TES 6

@Spiffo0

4 жыл бұрын

Fucking morons saying shit about a game that isn't even out yet.

@mrmolo70

4 жыл бұрын

@@Spiffo0 Considering the latest of Batheda's RPGs, including Fallout 76 if you consider the Atom Shop in the same field (which I personally do) it's very, very safe to assume that Elder Scrolls 6 will follow suit with more paid mods/micro DLC/Microtransactions. There is nothing mornonic about that deduction.

@lfcmike12

4 жыл бұрын

@@Spiffo0 Fucking morons, defending big companies with tendencies for fucking their customers over! Don't hurt ya self thinking, fan boy :D

@comyuse9103

4 жыл бұрын

@@Spiffo0 bethesda has a pattern going back decades, dumb ass, we can easily see where they are going. hell, we knew bethesda was going to do something incredibly greedy for the next game after fallout 4, we ust didn't know they would jump head long off the deep end.

@Spiffo0

4 жыл бұрын

Actual sperglords being outraged over stuff that hasn't even happened yet. And you'll all be there buying TES6 on launch day despite saying you won't soy boys.

There was another part of the scrap colector that ppl was very angry about. When it was compared to early marketing the colector was there in the marketing. So many ppl felt like they delibratly removed that to sell it later.

I can't imagine how soul-crushing watching all this happen musta been for the people who created Fallout.

@herowither12354

8 ай бұрын

Probably not as soul crushing as watching all the dick sucking of Fallout 2, the one that was nothing like the game they created.

Don't mind me...I'm just commenting so Jon gets pushed up the algorithm

@notarealname7737

4 жыл бұрын

me too

@ableguilford

4 жыл бұрын

Me three

@hugmonger

4 жыл бұрын

+1

@globalincident694

4 жыл бұрын

You all know that youtube doesn't work like that right? It's all about what you watch, not what you say about it.

@Karaboo7

4 жыл бұрын

@@globalincident694 We don't really know that do we?

"Well buckle up buckaroos" - Internet Historian 2019

@metetural9140

4 жыл бұрын

It means we're all dead... or moved to a different office.

@benpurdy7459

4 жыл бұрын

LIGHT WOOD LAMINATE!

@metetural9140

4 жыл бұрын

@@benpurdy7459 LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!

@Sky_FMJ

4 жыл бұрын

@@metetural9140 LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!

@davidribeiro

4 жыл бұрын

@@Sky_FMJ LIGHTWOOD LAMINATE!

I'm so glad I didn't buy this game. What a scam.

@kyr58

4 жыл бұрын

In one brilliant move, you've dodged more bullets than Neo.

@jontobin5942

4 жыл бұрын

Never preorder anything. I wish the community could get together and boycott all preordering until it dies.

@Finger112

4 жыл бұрын

@@kyr58 Nah I took the Red pill instead. Or was it the blue pill?

@5Andysalive

4 жыл бұрын

If it is the scam aspect that put you off, you have to avoide quite a lot of games from quite a few publishers. Only the actual games are often better.

@alexanderinoa7850

4 жыл бұрын

Jon Tobin What if you get a lot of extra stuff? I’ve thought about preordering P5 Royal because of the mask, art book, dlc, et cetera.

there needs to be a law against companies changing fundamental aspects of games after release... it's like if you bought a blender and one day it just turned into a toaster.

Oh 76. Honestly, I am curious how long this runs for. As a server game, it can't stay online forever, but how long before it stops being popular? Until Fallout 5? Because as player base dwindles, they need more money from each person, but if they keep adding things people need to buy, they lose goodwill, and thereby lose players.

@EQOAnostalgia

4 жыл бұрын

76 lives or dies by its first major expansion Wastelanders. It's that simple. But i can assure you of this much, the player base is on the rise, not on the decline and that's a promise.

This is actually a unbiased critical look into the Atom Shop, and it's ever growing focus on even more monetization. Absolutely agree as well with the limited time statements, said myself with game cosmetics, this just doesn't add up. There's no real reason as there isn't a physical version being made, so there is no excuse for the scarcity suggestions. It's purley to cash in on the fomo, and neglects to explain that with game cosmetics this just isn't a real thing. Then slowly adding in items that give an advantage. Appearing to focus more on players who pay rather than play. And the new subscription that so far is more of a pay extra, purley for the privilege of paying extra. Quietly ignoring those who payed full price, or even more for the exclusive bundles at launch. Not really appearing to value the customers. Personally this doesn't speak well for the future of their games, or their new business model.

@beastonthehunt

4 жыл бұрын

Also the membership didn't even work properly on launch

@funsun5364

4 жыл бұрын

@@beastonthehunt Very true, as is the "Base" game. A game some paid hundreds on. Definitely not fair to customers I agree.

That amount of "Indeeds" make me miss TotalBiscuit ;_;

I can't believe people throw their money at things like this. Bethesda crossing it's own lines and betraying the unwritten agreement of its customers is disgraceful, but I can't blame them for all the "limited time" sales and high prices when saps keep paying for these horrendous deals.

so, you can now pay extra to play your game less. what a time to be alive.

No one: Jon: This is where things get very very interesting indeed

You didn't talk about how they changed the Beginner Level challenges to give you ammo and stimpaks instead of Atoms. Challenges like get to level 10 would no longer give atoms.

LOL that past month when the only non-time limited item was a white wallpaper. Bethesda headquaters: "Greg we are lunching the new items in 5 minutes and noticed all are time limited. We need something else." Greg: Don't even sweat *opens windows paint and saves the default white background* Here, wallpaper for 300 atoms.

So, what I am hearing, is that vastly more time is spent on microtransactions than the actual game itself. I also don't agree that the original model wasn't working. It's literally the same analogy, the players (frogs) needed to be introduced to the cooler water (basic cosmetic microtransactions 'as standard') to begin with, then each month add more heat. Seeing what they can and cannot get away with, too much heat at one point, dial it back briefly.

This is fascinating stuff, I'm glad you're covering it Jon. Knowing more about these practices is important.

There was a lot of work put into this video, and it shows. Great work, Jon! :D

This is a great recap and set of insights! Great job John!

Honestly this game makes me so very sad.... I wanted to play a scrapper and shop keep who could sell essential goods to travelers. I wanted to just cook food, chems, and grenades and be happy with that simple life. But no Bethesda had to go and .... well honestly, go and do all of it. Just about everything in the game feels bad.

Tell me lies. Tell me sweet little lies. _Tell me lies, tell me, tell me lies_ Oh, no, no you can't disguise. _You can't disguise, no you can't disguise_ Tell me lies. Tell me sweet little lies.

@GeddyRC

4 жыл бұрын

Xander Ellem Fleetwood Mac!

@elpascalmods7384

4 жыл бұрын

@@GeddyRC And Todd Howard!

The Atom Shop is one of the myriad reasons I uninstalled 76. I did enjoy it for a while, but Bethesda's management of the game in regards to basically every aspect of it is just abhorrent and unacceptable.

The issue is that most of these sale tactics can be done in a manner that gets received warmly by the community. Look at Path of Exile as an example, a Diablo-Style, free to play game: There are 2 types of items in the store (all bought with real money): first stash tabs that expand storage (you will need some of them eventually, but there's a subjective limit on how many you need) The 2nd type are simply different kinds of mtx with no gameplay convenience There are also rotating, time-excluse (meaning none of them return, ever) mtx bundles every 3-month development cycle AND 3 MTX pieces each cycle that can ONLY be earned through gameplay It's all a predictable, reliable system, exclusive bundles don't return, gameplay mtx can never be bought and the gameplay advantage that can be bought is transparent and most importantly constant and limited

@justiceforjoggers2897

4 жыл бұрын

Path of Exiles does it right

I played fallout 4 but I didn't enjoy it as much as the older games. There was something wrong with it ... can't say what but it wasn't as much fun as 3 or Vegas. Then 76 rolls out. Always online .... I'm so glad that was enough to put me off pre ordering. Then the game came out ... can't say I'm excited about anything Bethesda does now

@trim5261

4 жыл бұрын

@@TrickZ_Retz it's always a question of value. There's not much point preordering a standard copy (and none for digital only) but some times I want the toys that come in the collectors edition. And I would have been tempted with getting the collectors edition. Who didn't want a power armor helmet and genuine Canvas Bag ... Still at least I've enjoyed the fallout from this terrible game.

@coletalbot4007

4 жыл бұрын

I'm scared for the new elder scrolls

Bless you for another video essay Jon! :)

I appreciate all the work that has gone into this video, and that Jon is keeping an eye on the progression of the Atom Store, but it feels slightly remiss not to even mention that they have been giving away items for free. That is a ploy, I'm sure, but it's part of the general info on the history of the store.

Hey Jon, a bit late but really nice work with this. I spent a lot of time documenting various obscure bugs and changes of the game, but never cared much about the atom shop. I don't think anybody else has done this, and this is an amazing job. One comment I would add - while it doesn't make much of a difference, a misunderstanding almost everybody had with the original timed deals was that they were all 2-3 days, not 1-2. The atom shop functions on a stupid system where 2d23h59m is listed as 2d, and obviously everybody will log in after an update where some time has passed since the server restart. I don't think anything in the game has ever been only up for a day, at least on its first appearance in the store

Man I hope this video about the Atom Shop won't split the fanbase, hopefully we can all stay neutron here. I will see myself out now.

@metetural9140

4 жыл бұрын

Personally I'm nuclear. I'm wild. I'm breaking up inside.

@SkaterBlades

4 жыл бұрын

That pun was awful, i won't charge you though.

So how do I get on this class action lawsuit? I felt like I was watching a deposition in court.

@BrutalFates

4 жыл бұрын

@Rule sarcasm, the video felt like a deposition more then just a video essay.

@nateg452

4 жыл бұрын

I'm going to laugh when it's use step by step to create one.

Thankyou for the effort and research and time making this

They could fix the game, but choose to screw the fan base instead

Speaking as a poorly paid person, I have already spent all the money on 76 I will ever spend when I bought the game. My character is able to repair weapons and armor to a high level, I carry multiple guns to deal with guns breaking due to condition, and I grind through challenges to get atom points. I see things in the Atom store that look neat, but I don't really buy from it often.

@veganhero1828

4 жыл бұрын

Should Fallout have ever been a game where you have to grind to unlock meta currency?

Whenever I hear a company promise "cosmetic only," I think back to Jim Sterling's position that trying to label aesthetic purchases as less important than "utility" purchases is bs. Fallout simply wouldn't be Fallout without its enduring and recognizable art design, its great flexibility in allowing players to role-play, and its excellent ability to create an immersive mood/atmosphere. These are mostly due to the "cosmetic" portions of the game (this and sound design) which made Fallout 1, 2, 3, and NV such a great pleasure to play. This makes it especially sad that Bethesda is happy to sell these off or wall items off to players who don't have an extra $10-$50 sitting around. What makes it infuriating is the lack of transparency during the progression of the Store and the apparent efforts to gouge its most loyal consumers in seemingly every Store update...

@pikledboodah

4 жыл бұрын

I heartily agree

@comyuse9103

4 жыл бұрын

in any multiplayer game cosmetics have a measurable impact on the game play; self expression is very important, especially in a social and competitive environment where you will want to set yourself apart. if everyone in an mmo looks roughly the same, or the variation between characters is really small then no one will play that mmo, most people will spend a lot of time and effort to look distinct and remain viable. then there is the benefits of blending in an area in a competitive game, or being recognizable in games you could earn a reputation in (like eve).

@Zack_Wester

4 жыл бұрын

as a Old wow Roleplayer (late vanila to early cata) cosmetic only is in my eye as bad as selling stats boost. Devs cosmetic only (PVE and PVP sounds good I dont care about it really. RP that sucks. Devs Gear state boosters only (PVE and PVP that sucks, RP well not great but okey I can deal whit it I dont care about that part really). and let me remind you in Wrath the moment the latest raid that took 3 month to make is cleared by the PVP and PVE player in about 2-3 week is done they log out, ice the subscriptions untill devs put something out again. RP after the latest patch is released. after latest content is cleared in 2-4 weeks. they start to RP in full swing gear and highspeed for up to years after wards. Roleplayer are the only type of players that create there own content, PVP and PVE dont really do that.

@comteroi9219

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure you're with the times but Fallout hasn't been a decent RPG since NV, and before that, Fallout 1 and 2. Fallout 3 and 4 are First Person shooters, nothing more, nothing less. Their entire storylines are predictable and streamlined.

@codsworth3996

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking. Most of the clothing items in the base game are the same ones from Fallout 4. What then, distinguishes this game from the previous one in this category?

It’s possible I get a bit too excited when I see a 40+ minute MATN Fallout Video Essay pop up on my subscription feed, but dammit I’m not going to change.

Actually a very interesting and well executed video jon. Probably the best 76 video I've watched

Me and half the employees at my job are watching this in the back no lie, thank god Sundays are dead

"Bethesda realized this was not a very good idea." I sense a pattern developing.

I caught on to a few of those moves from Bethesda, but did not see all of these interesting details. Thank you for your thoughtful analysis as always!

I love this channel, I love Jon, I love how he brings his outside interests and expertise into videos when there's something interesting to say.

@nateg452

4 жыл бұрын

Preach, difference between most channels aimed at teenagers and Jon's stuff.

There’s something that many people seem to either forget or ignore about 76 that can really throw loops into the discussion. That 76 could become free to play. It’s been my personal theory that wastelanders will coincide with an announcement of it becoming free to play (probably with a reward bundle for those that bought it). As it stands the game has all of the functions for a free to play system. Subscription service, pay for convenience, limited time items, etc. All of theses items kind of scream a free to play model without it being a free to play game. Since sales of the game itself clearly aren’t to focus it seems obvious that going free to play would be the best choice. Hell Jon even recommends that nuclear winter should at the very least becomes a separate free to play entity. I’ve been unable really talks about this since generally anyone I can talk to are either “76 killed fallout, Bethesda evil” or “I don’t play fallout” so I’ve never really gotten to talk about this much, but seems very obvious to me at least.

@energizer7354

2 жыл бұрын

And yet two years later... Still 40 on steam plus a bunch of other things to pay for with it

Man I sure would be embarrassed if I helped promote this game despite warning signs from the community. That would be so embarrassing.

@AusTraLiaNPsyChO

4 жыл бұрын

I know, right? I mean, who would do such a thing? Terrible!

Jon forgot to mention how around the time the repair kits came out there was a secret couple of "patches" that weren't in the patch notes at the time, that made card perks such as white knight. (armor degrades 90% slower and is cheaper to repair.) got massively nerfed. the card cost to equip went up. and instead of 90% for a tier 3 card it was just 60% and who knows how much they tweaked the repair cost. :(

I love your video essays! I hope you can find the time to keep working on them. Unrelated but have you ever considered speedrunning a fallout game? I would love to see you explain and try the various glitches

It’s like a Jim Sterling video but with with less “completely fucking stupid” and more “interesting” being said about Bethesda being bad

I really want to know what changed. This isn't just happening in Fallout 76 - it's also happening in Elder Scrolls Online, Wolfenstein, and their other sister properties. This suggests to me that it's a Zenimax Media directive, not just an individual studio thing. Why did Bethesda go from being consumer-friendly to aggressively greedy, and why did it happen so abruptly? I heard a theory that it's them gearing up for an IPO, which would make some sense, but I'd love to hear confirmation of some sort.

Jon still puts fallout frost videos on the end title, never change you glorious man.

Thank you for such a comprehensive video. Very informative and thorough.

Everytime a video about 76 comes out I'm amazed about the trainwreck that is this game. Then I think of Elder Scrolls VI and start to get worried ...

Really well done video, I enjoyed it a lot.

Man I love the more researched videos of you. I'm too lazy to do the research myself but I love hearing about that stuff in detail

I wasn't sure I really needed to watch another video on Fallout 76 but I'm glad you made this. There's a lot of meat here that we haven't seen in other long form critiques so far.

Thanks Jon, these essays are always so well researched. written and put together. Excellent job

"Just cosmetics" in a game which is bare-bones, cosmetics is all you got... - this isn't freaking Overwatch and even those give free skins often enough.

On every day since launch Jon: something very, very important happened

so that frog in the boiling water bit actually came from a study by Friedrich Goltz who demonstrated that LOBOTOMIZED frogs stayed in the water but frogs with intact brains would not. This was also 1869 (nice) and ethics in science weren't exactly common but hey, it was an important discovery