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@solsolsolomon

2 жыл бұрын

Hello

@ToasterDoggy

2 жыл бұрын

hello

@jhontewilson7377

2 жыл бұрын

Hello

@armaholic5949

2 жыл бұрын

A video on the Greek civil war would be interesting, the fighting didn't stop for Greece after Germany surrendered

@totallynotacommie4767

2 жыл бұрын

Hey i had an idea, you could do a video of the war of the pacific from the peruvian/bolivian perspective

When my Argentinian grandfather found out that the British took back the islands, he started having ww2 flashbacks. I think he was an electrician or something, since he had this helmet with 2 lightning bolts on it.

@marianxendor3974

2 жыл бұрын

Oh dear.

@suzuizunumi28

2 жыл бұрын

by god

@Fearsome_Gonad

2 жыл бұрын

kek

@jaidengabriel1675

2 жыл бұрын

Did he like 's' sounds?

@Doochos

2 жыл бұрын

I bet he was fuhrerious

There is a legend that while planning this invasion, a respected retired Admiral was brought in to review the operation. He read it thoroughly, then looked up and said, "This is a marvellous plan, but it is missing a bit." The other officers asked, "what is missing?" He replied, "the plan to invade London, which is the only way you will win."

@ar2014

2 жыл бұрын

Never heard of that, but the truth is the Air Force chief was against it, this was all the navy's idea. At that time, the Navy, the air force and army made decisions on their own (something that by today's standards would be totally out of place, but it was typical in LATAM). They were unfit to rule a country, and to fight a war against a modern military. Now that's a thing of the past

@somefurryguy1811

2 жыл бұрын

@@ar2014 Actually, argentina's military situation was unique, because the military was more political than anything, so you basically had every branch(military, air force, navy, naval air force, and other sub-branches such as the marine infantry and etc) basically fucking hate eachother to the point of refusing to co-operate with eachother, up to the 1960s-ish most coup'd'etat attempts were made by rival military branches, one side attempted to gain power and the other defended the government, it was a fucking shitshow.

@anzaca1

2 жыл бұрын

@@somefurryguy1811 Unique? China and North Korea's militaries are basically all political too. None of their generals etc are actual military people, nor do they have any experience.

@CalvinK300

2 жыл бұрын

@@anzaca1 China & North Korean generals are what? Clearly, you have no idea what you are talking about. 😂

@jackroutledge352

2 жыл бұрын

@@ar2014 As I understand it, the Air Force wasn't even told about the invasion until shortly before it was carried out. They weren't part of the triumvirate, so weren't consulted. Ultimately, their failure to hold the islands was in large part due to their lack of air superiority so far from the Argentinian mainland, since they had insufficient refueling aircraft to do the job. Just a couple more refueling aircraft and half a dozen more Exocets would have completely changed the situation.

Fun fact: Argentina was shockingly close to invading Chile. On 22 December 1978, their troops actually entered Chile, but after a few hours of mountainous terrain, the attack was called off due to extreme weather, and the Argentines retreated back into their borders with Chile not even knowing it happened until later on.

@francoramirez4894

Жыл бұрын

@Gary Adame To prevent Argentina from invading Chile, Chile provided with logistical and military assistance to Great Britain. Finished the war, there were strained relations between those countries, for what Chile calls "preventive measure to deflect invasion" or what Argentina calls "deliberate treason". A friendship memorandum was made years later, normalizing relations between both governments. However, animosity between both countries, overall Argentina, are still prevalent.

@francoramirez4894

Жыл бұрын

@Gary Adame Also, given the opportunity, Chile considered the use of chemical weapons on Argentina. In fact, Chile was planning to poison the water's supply of the Argentine capital, Buenos Aires. That plan was part of Project Andrea. Luckily, the war didn't happened, because if it did, Chile would be compared with Iraq.

@pronessguy4567

Жыл бұрын

@Gary Adame chile was going to do everything possible to see the downfall of Argentina. Argentina broke the beagle treaty which recognised chile as the rightful owner and then decided to move its troops over to Patagonia. Chile was isolated at the moment by most of the world diplomatically and was outnumbered. Also, Luciano Benjamin Menéndez during the beagle conflict and the falklands war, he was quoted by saying an infamous remark which was “they let us attack the Chileans, we'll chase them to Easter Island, we'll drink the New Year's Eve toast in the Palacio de La Moneda, we’ll rape their women and then we'll piss the champagne into the Pacific”. Overall I’m glad Argentine forces headed towards downfall once the junta was dismantled. Argentina just runs pissy little 70’s equipment which is both poorly maintained and outdated, hence as to why they’re no longer a threat to chilean sovereignty

@huachimingo616

Жыл бұрын

@@francoramirez4894 comentes un grabé error argentinos no entraron al territorio Chileno es incorrecto lo que ocurrió fue la amenaza de argentina en la invasión lo cual no sucedió el objetivo de Chile no era envenenar las agua era tomar los suministros y bases lo más rápido es el típico plan relámpago

@seban8225

Жыл бұрын

And then call the chileans traitors😂

Fun fact: when the BBC broadcasted the news of the British landing point, the Argentinian commanders thought it do outlandish to have a state media company broadcast plans of military operations that they completely ignored it and failed to adequately re-in force the beachhead.

@firasajoury7813

Жыл бұрын

Fun fact Britain almost lost to a shitty third rate army that was afraid of Chile

@seagcomputacion

Жыл бұрын

tu le hubieras creído a una radio de tu enemigo?....serias muy idiota!

@stevemc01

Жыл бұрын

"It's a trap!" *proceeds to fall into a trap they set up to counter the supposed trap*

@MTC008

Жыл бұрын

why does argentina military wears ww2 era clothing lol

@seagcomputacion

Жыл бұрын

@@MTC008 ropa militar de la época del 1960, cada nación utiliza lo que le gusta mas, lo que es mas cómodo para sus hombre y diferenciarse en lo posible del enemigo, pero no fue ropa de la degunda guerra mundial.

Many of the Argentinian soldiers were teenagers between 16 and 20 forced into the war by a lottery-like system that functioned based on your National Identity Number (DNI in spanish). Many of the veterans, including one of my high-school teachers say that surrendering and being captured by the British was the best thing that they could do, because many of their officers would treat them with violence, while the British would take care of them as POWs. Even more, many of the on-ground soldiers had to hunt sheep in an effort to get any food, since the Military Junta barely sent supplies to the islands

@juanoberhofer502

2 жыл бұрын

That's a lie, the minimum age for military service was always 18.

@carlosjavierpalacios6194

2 жыл бұрын

@@juanoberhofer502 exactly, and they only drafted two classes, I think the 64's or so

@EzequielMinsburg

2 жыл бұрын

@@juanoberhofer502 legal enlisting age yes, but the military junta didn't really care for "legal age" did they? You can look it up for yourself, Néstor Planiscig is one name I can give you that you can find information by just using Google. Instead of saying "that's a lie" try and think why someone is saying something and if it differs to what you know or believe, investigate properly before throwing accusations

@thejoshandcharles1

2 жыл бұрын

@@juanoberhofer502 Because who's ever heard of young men who want to fight for there country so bad, that they would fake there age in a country desperate for soldiers?

@juanoberhofer502

2 жыл бұрын

@@EzequielMinsburg Nestor Planiscig did not fight, he was aboard the aircraft carrier 25 De Mayo, which never saw combat.

I've heard some intersting perspectives from other South American countries like Chile and Brazil about the Falkland War. Basically, many of them were supportive of Argentina's claim to the island but going to war with the British was a stupid move (even Chile supported the British with a place to land their planes).

@Mrchivo33

2 жыл бұрын

In Uruguay we supported Argentina's claim but remained neutral in the actual conflict, as we always do since our military is mostly for show. Still it is important to remember that we were also under a brutal dictatoriship so their decisions tended to lean towards preserving their own positions of power rather than helping our brothers.

@gooby8953

2 жыл бұрын

Chile also allowed the British fleet to use one of their refueling ships

@belegthoron8603

2 жыл бұрын

Chile had good reasons to support the U.K due to the almost war with Argentina in 1978.

@ScholarHaru

2 жыл бұрын

@@belegthoron8603 Chile is the L in South America.

@belegthoron8603

2 жыл бұрын

@@ScholarHaru yep. What's with that? Haha

"Despite this utter betrayal by the producers of Wallace & Gromit..." - Is a truly amazing line for a history documentary. Excellent work whoever came up with that.

@acme181169

8 ай бұрын

W+G produced by Aardman, nothing to do with BBC

@Max1988_

Ай бұрын

Spain established its sovereignty starting in the 15th century over the Argentine territory and the Malvinas Islands. At the Nootka convention in 1790, England recognized as Spanish territory up to 18,520 kilometers (10 nautical leagues) from the coasts that its colonies occupied, with the Falkland Islands, South Georgia and the Sandwich Islands only a little more than 500 kilometers away. In 1816 Argentina achieved its independence by claiming what was previously Spanish territory. In 1820 Argentina established its colony in Puerto Soledad and MAINTAINED POSSESSION OF THE ISLANDS FOR 13 YEARS. Rejecting illegal US fishing led to the attack by the war corvette Lexington on Puerto Soledad. On January 2, 1833, the British war frigate HMS Clio arrived, commanded by Captain John James Onslow, who took possession of the islands from the captain of the schooner Sarandí, José María Pinedo, because he was not in good condition. to resist. Let all good English people know that the Malvinas Islands are currently under the UN Special Committee on Decolonization. And the only thing that holds them back is British political and military power. nnn

@tomfox8551

23 сағат бұрын

⁠@@Max1988_that falls apart, when you realise Britain also claimed, the island. And it was under Britain, before Argentina existed. You claim the islands, because Spain claimed them. Even though they stopped there claim, a century ago. The only reason why Argentina, has even been entertained the idea, of owning the Falklands, is because of close proximity and, colonial ties. Argentinas are upset, because the war, should have been avoided. However, the British had a duty to protect their people, from foreign aggression. Whether that seems hypocritical, from a historical standpoint, it doesn’t matter. Argentinians, now attribute their pain and loss, to the British for besting them. And see the brits, as a mirror of colonial Spain. The problem is, Argentina has never tried to properly, claim the islands, until their dictator told them to. Most of the anger shot at the Brits, can mainly be attributed, to their ability to get on, even after the war. With Argentina still feeling the fallout, of decades of authoritarianism, political corruption, economic, and social instability, along with their general disdain, of aristocracy, and a flexing military. Britain doesn’t have any reason, to want the islands, other than the fact, they have residents on the islands. But because they own them, and because they do have citizens, on the islands. There’s no reason why, they shouldn’t have them. Argentina can’t argue migration, because the Brits can also argue it. That’s why Argentina, doesn’t have the right to the islands, even if Britain isn’t that bothered. And at the end of the day, the war is over now. The residents are British, and voted to remain so.

You may not know an almost lost move on our (Argentine) side: before the conflict we used the flag without the sun (Sol de Mayo, Sun of May) on most civilian occasions. Displaying the flag with the sun was a military tradition as it is understood it means war. Well, since 1982 the flag has always been displayed with the Sol de Mayo thoroughly depicted. Greetings from Hudson, Argentina to my beloved British foes.

@generaladvance5812

Жыл бұрын

I learnt something new, greetings from England.

RANDOM FACT The ARA General Belgrano was actually a US-built and commissioned Brooklyn-class cruiser given to the Argentine Navy. Her name was the USS Phoenix (CL-46), and she was a Pearl Harbor survivor.

@residentelect

2 жыл бұрын

It's unreal to think it was still in service during an age of fast jets, nuclear subs and ICBMs...

@Nicolas-zw5ex

2 жыл бұрын

@@residentelect well peruan navy had a cruiser which lasted til 2017

@stevemc01

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nicolas-zw5ex Impressive... which cruiser was it?

@Nicolas-zw5ex

2 жыл бұрын

@@stevemc01 The BAP Almirante Grau, it was made in 1941, sent to the Peruan navy in 1973, Decomissioned in 2017 and now it might be scrapped.

@genericname4739

2 жыл бұрын

The Argentine navy actually operated a WWII era carrier during the war. It was known as the ARA Veinticinco de Mayo. It was ironically a British built Colossus class Carrier with 2 previous designations. HMS Venerable, and HNLMS Karel Doorman. The Argentine navy acquired it from the Dutch and was active during the Falklands War. The Royal Navy actually hunted for the Carrier and for a time it evaded the Royal Navy, but it was withdrawn back to Argentina.

The Falklands War: Also known as "That time a Junta couldn't had misread a situation on the ground even more!" _OR_ "How to destroy your dictatorship in 3 Easy Steps?"

@tavdy79

2 жыл бұрын

I suspect Thatcher's "error" of reducing the British military forces on the island prior to the conflict was a trap: she lured the Junta into what looked like an easy way to boost its domestic popularity, positioning her for a quick and easy military victory which would boost her own. The Junta fell for it, and the outcome was better than I suspect Thatcher even hoped: not only did the UK win, the junta was destroyed in the subsequent domestic backlash in Argentina, and democracy was restored. This allowed Thatcher to promote herself as a nationalist and military victor on the one hand, and a champion of global democracy on the other, a heady combination that played a significant role in Thatcher winning the 1983 general election with an increased majority, rather than (as had been predicted prior to the conflict) being unceremoniously booted out. If I'm right, that means over nine hundred people died so she could win an election.

@KeluskTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@tavdy79 It's certainly an interesting perspective, and entirely plausible. I would however contest you assertion that it was a 'quick and easy military victory'. Having read Admiral Woodward's book on his account of the conflict, he paints it as a very close run thing, what with the southern hemisphere's winter drawing very quickly in giving them a very limited window with which to retake the isles. He also stated that if he'd lost one of his two aircraft carriers (which was not entirely unlikely) it was basically game over as they'd be unable to maintain control of the air of the isles.

@Jason.cbr1000rr

2 жыл бұрын

Isnt this the most stupid war? Lol

@AROBASPARK

2 жыл бұрын

@@Jason.cbr1000rr Pretty much XD

@1611__

2 жыл бұрын

@@tavdy79 Democracy kinda fucked us more but ok

I remember hearing an RAF fighter pilot praise the skills of the Argentine Air Force. He compared them with F1 drivers and pointed out they were fantasic race drivers seemingly undeterred by risks, and they flew the same way.

@brianperry

2 жыл бұрын

Airforce pilots don't tend to be conscripts

@Sonof_DRN2004

2 жыл бұрын

Ye but he was wrong lol.

@josebeneditovizioliliborio8327

2 жыл бұрын

Well they caused a few casualties to Royal Navy as acknowledge by Woodward in this book.

@josebeneditovizioliliborio8327

2 жыл бұрын

@@brianperry No.. From Ensigns up...

@samtvgamer8867

2 жыл бұрын

@@josebeneditovizioliliborio8327 they only caused damage to the royal navy due to French anti ship missiles and unexpected attacks

I think is a major mistake not to talk about the geopolitical situation of the cold war in south America, the aid of the USA to all the countries including Chile and Argentina military regimes. The strong hate among Chileans and Argentinians, and the big international scene where diplomatic pressure from UK could bend a private corporation to not comply with a contract to supply Argentina with the Exocet missile for their SE Aircrafts. Uruguay didn't vote with Argentina and remained neutral because some minor dispute over an island in the river plate that belongs to Uruguay but as today keeps a military garrison from Argentina. Peru did help Argentina because they always saw Chile as an enemy, they always wanted the regions chile won in war, the same war that took the Bolivian path to the Pacific ocean. No one expected the British to form a task force to retake those islands, plain and simple. But the islands still had an strategic value.

@hititmanify

Жыл бұрын

what strategic use do they have? even geographical , like what use does britain have, if they hold falksland, gibraltar, etc.

@jamiewoods33

Жыл бұрын

​@@hititmanifyfor 1 it was home to thousands of UK residents meaning that there are large geopolitical reasons for taking the island. Also it was an important ship refuelling station at the time

@kopite8971

Жыл бұрын

@@hititmanify military capabilities.

@maximilianohernandez8462

Жыл бұрын

@@hititmanify Falklands = Antartica ....Gibratal= Mediterranean sea.

@hrk59

Жыл бұрын

Jamás hubo odio a chile antes de la guerra de las malvinas, solo habia pequeñas discrepancias, sobre la definición de limites. El odio fue introducido por UK, sosteniendo el lema "divide y vencerás"

One of the ironies of the war is that the population on the Falklands was declining prior to the conflict, and within a few years would have been deemed unsustainable by the British government, who would then have been open to discussing a transfer of sovereignty. However, largely due to the conflict, the population has since increased to a sustainable level.

@andrewgenio

2 жыл бұрын

Due to the strategic position of the archipielago, i seriously doubt any state would ever give them up. You can simply make a propaganda program to convince a few families to move in and you solved the problem.

@JG-ib7xk

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewgenio it doesnt take much to google. The government were literally looking in to giving the Falkands up from 1979 but a vote in the House of Commons to give the Islanders citizenship in the UK didn't go through by one vote

@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986

2 жыл бұрын

The irony that if Argentina had only waited a few more years British will to keep the islands would have gone completely and the extended drawn-down of British naval size would have been completed meaning the islands would have been taken by Argentina peacefully by now anyway

@andrewgenio

2 жыл бұрын

@@JG-ib7xk it took me a while to find information about this, i ended up on the "British Nationality (Falkland Islands) Amendment Bill [H.L.] HL Deb 29 November 1982 vol 436 cc1076-106 Second Reading debate resumed." For what i could tell, it only talks about the creation of diferent states of citizenship, "The 1981 Act gets away from this confusion by creating one citizenship, British citizenship, for those who belong to the United Kingdom; a second, British Dependent Territories citizenship, for those who have connection with a dependent territory; and a third, British Overseas citizenship, for those citizens of the United Kingdom and Colonies who have no continuing connections with either the United Kingdom" But a found no mention of even considering giving up the islands Am i reading the wrong article?

@uingaeoc3905

2 жыл бұрын

@@andrewgenio You got it correct. The weird thing is that the ENTIRE total of ALL UK Overseas Territories combined populations is less than one year's net Immigration of EU citizens into the UK.

It's an interesting conflict, one of the last ones that was fought over a long distance and using naval forces.

@ernestov1777

2 жыл бұрын

I recently made a POV video about Falklands War with Wojak, it's interesting this channel is now talking about this conflict.

@terrorgaming459

2 жыл бұрын

We won its done Falklands is ours

@barrybookmaker7433

2 жыл бұрын

Interesting conflict ? Are you normal ?

@MrSuperpiff4

2 жыл бұрын

I see what you mean and for the UK it’s one of the last, but the US has been fighting long distance conflicts with naval forces for the the last 30 years.

@ArenBerberian

2 жыл бұрын

And one of the last true genuine wars....

13:38 "Chileans are traitors!" "Why did chile not back-up Argentina during the falkland war? 😭😭😭" Literally Argentina and Chile being on the verge of war at the time.

The Belgrano was formerly the USS Phoenix. It was sold to Argentina after WW2. It actually was in port during the Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor and took damage.

@thomasgoldthorpe1158

Жыл бұрын

I just watched a Pear Harbor documentary the other day and remember the Phoenix being mentioned. Thanks for this interesting fact.

@davidrobertson5700

Жыл бұрын

Rule Brittania Brittania rule the waves Love from Great Britain

@tonybrowneyed8277

Жыл бұрын

actually it was moored at the far end of battleship row (lots of maps around for that), so most of the japanese pilots had expended their bombs by the time they got to her. a lucky survival.

@bulbs_

Жыл бұрын

Imagine surviving Pearl harbour and then getting sunk by your ex-ally

@Jimo1956

Жыл бұрын

@@bulbs_ Not difficult to imagine if you use a former US ship to hunt down and try to sink ships of an "ex-ally", the "ex-ally" (especially if it's British) will turn the scales and hunt you. And if it needs be ... sink you. What does one expect if one attacks someone else. The attacked to say thank you?

I see the Falkland’s I click. Such a interesting conflict that doesn’t get covered as much as it should.

@mredmond8393

2 жыл бұрын

Probably because it was wholly avoidable. Had it not been for Margaret Thatcher reducing the Falklands garrison to a skeleton crew.

@darkmemes953

2 жыл бұрын

@@mredmond8393 To be fair, it was done to cut down expenses.

@ArenBerberian

2 жыл бұрын

40th anniversary this year as well.

@1993Crag

2 жыл бұрын

@@mredmond8393 Ah yes, blame thatcher and not the whole Argentina invading them thing

@danielburden7373

2 жыл бұрын

@@1993Crag would have been better if the Brits hadn't stole the islands in 1833 🤔🤔

There is only one victory worth celebrating when the guns fall silent; the fact you are still alive. To all those British and Argentinan lads whom lost their lives, God bless and Godspeed 🇬🇧 🇦🇷 Never again.

@jackabe2690

2 жыл бұрын

No entendí nada no hablo inglish

@jackabe2690

2 жыл бұрын

@fine Bro Me no speak inglish xd Am argentinian

@jackabe2690

2 жыл бұрын

@fine sorry 4 my inglish

@residentelect

2 жыл бұрын

@@jackabe2690 Tu ingles es mejor que mi español! 👍

@jackabe2690

2 жыл бұрын

@@bigmoniesponge siiuuu he tell me my inglish Is fine In your face open inglish

My parents `British` said that when they visited Argentina in the 2000s the Argentinian people were really friendly and looked after them very well. Thank you and best wishes from the UK.💌

@alavalle69

Жыл бұрын

Because, although we will always claim and fight for our lands, we respect your veterans (they faught with honor, as ours also did), and we dont think the same things about your governments and uk ordinary people. We are a nation with great tradition to receive immigrants from all over the world open arms. So, anybody who is respectfull will be welcome.

@korosuke1788

8 ай бұрын

Yeah, they like white people. In contrast they discriminate the very peeuvians that helped them during the war.

Great video, and it’s good to see things from the Argentinian side. I’m British but it was a bloody battle, and frankly I have huge respect for the forces on both sides. God Bless all those who lost their lives.

@Scraves

Жыл бұрын

Greetings from argentina 🇦🇷🇬🇧 I would like to see The War of the Malvinas/Falklands on the british side

@pablosebastian5823

Жыл бұрын

I'm argentine and would love to visit the islands and have a beer with people there, maybe spend a time there too although I know there's not much to do there.

@davidrobertson5700

Жыл бұрын

I respect the British forces thank you chaps, I have no respect for the Argentine military whatsoever who were obviously drunk as a skunk to think they stood the slightest chance of victory over Great Britain Lots of love from Great Britain

@davidrobertson5700

Жыл бұрын

@PeePee PooPoo the euro fighters will take everything you send out. Those planes may look crap but the carry an obscene amount of ordnance that will Sink ships Shoot down aircraft from so far away the euro fighters will not even be on radar Lay waste to ports and airfields that attempt to launch anything, Then we have the Astute class Good luck against one of them, seriously the Argentinians will need it Type 45 well that's self explanatory or shall I mention that Aster that never misses ? Then we have the FDF 2000 well armed individuals that will slot anything and anyone that every lands full stop Then we have the garrison that is well funded with manpads, anti tank weapons and marines , Marines job is to keep St Peter busy by stacking fresh souls at the gates . Very best of luck seriously Oh I forgot to mention tomahawk and all the other lovely missile systems that GB owns . Plus, we destroyed the Argentinian economy twice , dont forget the money goes through London. As I said Best of luck

@davidrobertson5700

Жыл бұрын

@@Scraves Yes, the winning side of GREAT BRITAIN

The friend of a teacher I had in High School is a veteran from the war... It was awful, not only he was just a conscript (When you were 18 you could be selected in a lotery for 1 year of military service... he "won") from a zone that is hot and dry as Texas/Australia... with barely any supplies he was sent to an island closer to the end of the world than home. Also a fun trivia fact... the democratic elected presisent after the fall of the Junta (R. Alfonsin) caused an economic calamity that ended with hyperinflation... Argentina can't get a break

@connorh2215

2 жыл бұрын

Damn I hope you guys can get some competent leadership soon

@naamadossantossilva4736

2 жыл бұрын

Argentina caught a break in the late 1800s ....but then came Péron.

@Average_Slav

2 жыл бұрын

@@naamadossantossilva4736 untrue really, it was more of a break for the 3% of the society

@indiald3373

2 жыл бұрын

@@Average_Slav respeto

@lillyie

2 жыл бұрын

you know what they say: "Hey, argentina, how are you able to stay cool when there's a crisis?" "It's simple, i'm always in crisis!"

Gromit came out unscathed. As he was vigilant. Though the same couldn’t be said for innocent little Wallace. The war changed him. He no longer smiles outside the presence of cheese…

@daffyduck780

2 жыл бұрын

It's no use prevaricating about the Falklands.

@SpaceMonkeyBoi

2 жыл бұрын

"Hey Thatcher, I was about to have some cheese"

@jalarasstudios414

2 жыл бұрын

"Get off me Islands!"

@mindofgaz6016

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣

@MyHentaiGirlNeko

2 жыл бұрын

C H E E S E

Excellent, well produced programme and so interesting to learn about the war through Argentines eyes and how they went about it. So good to watch these programs, they are all well done and very educational.

Your comments regarding the British pilfering From the islands interested me. My understanding is that the Falklands are barren rocky crags only suitable for raising farm animals. What did they actually steal ??

@emilianosilva8266

Жыл бұрын

Right for Antartida and the submarine plataform, plus a rich fish zone.

@TheSm1thers

Жыл бұрын

Nothing

@davidwilliams3659

Жыл бұрын

There’s also a huge oil reserve underneath it, however i dont think anyone is currently drilling it.

@planetkc

Жыл бұрын

White propaganda.

@samneil496

Жыл бұрын

@@planetkc what

I don’t know how to explain it but this video feels much better animated than any video before, like it was already really good but this one just feels even BETTER. Hope someone in the animation/drawing team sees this, you guys are doing a wonderful job. Can’t believe this is all accessible for free

@PeaNo7914

2 жыл бұрын

👍 yes

Defeat is sometimes the best thing that can happen in a war. Argentina missed out on some penguin inhabited rocks settled by some English speaking sheep farmers but instead it got its democracy back.

@zen4men

2 жыл бұрын

British blood created that situation - and I am glad for it. I am British, hold no enmity for Argentina ( am aware of Argentina's good points, including assistance to Britain in WW2 ), and think the Argentinian people deserve better leaders.

@steampunkastronaut7081

2 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting take, but I think the war started precisely to distract increasing discontent with the current government. Democracy would have come anyways

@zen4men

2 жыл бұрын

@@steampunkastronaut7081 But not with the punch caused by defeat in a truly stupid enterprise

@doujinflip

2 жыл бұрын

@@zen4men Right, Putin's Russia risks similar if their assault on Ukraine continues to cost considerably more than expected, and the PRC faces similar should they commit to take Táiwān by force as promised. In both countries there are not insignificant pro-democracy sentiments not only in the streets but also into their own ministries, hence why they have to spend so much of their budget on "internal security" and political "discipline".

@zen4men

2 жыл бұрын

@@doujinflip True enough

That intro was beautiful and masterfully put together

Whoa! I've been meaning to check out your channel for a while now, just always seeming to miss the opportunity. Anyway, I recently found your USSR and WWII videos, And I just wanted to say that I really admire your storytelling skills, script writing and artwork. I'm not sure if you do it all yourself or you have help, but it's very well made. You have a new subscriber.

Nice to see your doing this. I barely see anyone else talk about the Falklands war.

@residentelect

2 жыл бұрын

It's like both the Korean War and Soviet-Afghan conflict, somewhat lost in the consciousness of the greater Western audience whom are subjected to far more media covering WW2, the Vietnam conflict and the War on Terror etc.

@Livelaughandlaughmore

2 жыл бұрын

What everyone talks about it so many videos on KZread about it. It’s popular

@Xavier-ty4jw

2 жыл бұрын

By that you mean "westerners" because in LATAM is a hot issue

@dexterityisbetterthanstren8961

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s probably because it’s mostly inconsequential to the majority of the population. Whereas wars like WW1 and 2 affected millions if not billions of people.

@nqh4393

2 жыл бұрын

you*

Shout out to the quality of these videos only getting better! Your team is doing an amazing job!

@hamzamahmood9565

2 жыл бұрын

How's your social credit score holding up?

@Notdopler

2 жыл бұрын

@fine Stop Spamming your links

@christcosmique6619

2 жыл бұрын

I like your pfp

@skeltonjack

2 жыл бұрын

ahh yes zhong xina, how’s life with winnie going?

@Havokk

2 жыл бұрын

Yes but the book is smoking

i love the artwork in your videos man, also the sound and music.

As someone who's lived there for more than 4 years with my family, you've done a good job at explaining the Argie's perspective. However, we will be keeping the islands.

As an argentine... thank you. Many people fail to see just how badly argentina was in this period. I have a teacher that assisted the war and told me how terrifying the night was. See, at that point, the british had night vision technology, while we didn't. They also had the communication advantage. Politics dominated the military. I love that little note at the end, that 2021 diplomatic talks only started because the president had low approval ratings, hinting that absolutely nothing has changed. You're goddamn right.

@loyalist5736

2 жыл бұрын

Not true Argentina had night vision equipment a generation above the British. FACT

@CatSans

2 жыл бұрын

@@loyalist5736 How weird... i'll ask him when i'm back to school.

@die6oo

2 жыл бұрын

@@loyalist5736 thats true, but we had just a few, while all english troops had a lightly outdated one

@abcdm1442

Жыл бұрын

@@loyalist5736 eran malos en realidad se veía mejor sin ellos y la mayoría estaban muy mal en las tropas

@yeng1855

Жыл бұрын

@@loyalist5736 It's all about how it can be a standardize equipment.

I am 26 years old now, and my mother was only 12 years old when the war broke out here in Argentina. At her school, a campaign was raised in order to supply our soldiers with chocolates and other goods that they wouldn't get otherwise. I remember my mom telling me how she even wrote letters to these unknown soldiers, some of which where just 6 or 7 years older than her. I've recently heard that those supplies never reached the soldiers, because they were stolen by some corrupt argentinian officials on their way to the islands. I don't know if my mom knows this, but what I know is that I she will never hear it from me.

@martindione386

2 жыл бұрын

there's a misconception over the donations, the islands were under naval blockade and supply ships weren't able to reach them, only the Hercules transport planes were able to bring supplies and evacuate wounded soldiers, but it was utterly insufficient, they couldn't carry as much supplies as a cargo ship by a long margin. so they had to prioritize what supplies to load, and chocolates and letters were very low priority.

@HarleyHerbert

2 жыл бұрын

@@martindione386 I doubt the Argentine government and military at the time would send such luxuries anyway. They would have seen it as wasting precious limited resources and luxuries on lowly worthless conscripts and kept it all for themselves instead. They didn't care about the conscripts in the slightest

@martindione386

2 жыл бұрын

@@HarleyHerbert that myth is another misconception, only a very small minority of the officers were brutal with the conscripts, today is common to see both soldiers and their officers making reunions every year, sharing asados and wine

@1993Crag

2 жыл бұрын

Basically as soon as the British fleet were in region and UNSC-502 was up, no supplies effectively reached the islands, minimal made it out.

@srdante6948

2 жыл бұрын

Jaja...pobre de tu madre, muestro gobierno era corrupto en esos tiempos.

I really apreciate your effort for looking wich was the perspective of the argentinians in that moment. As one of them, I thank you.

I went as a medic aboard the Canberra and wrote a best selling book about it called 'The Band That Went To War'. I also came back from the war with an unusual souvenir, a signed 'thank you card' from the enemy!

@TalentSpotter83

2 жыл бұрын

What did you make of how accurate this video is Brian?

@Drummer2020

2 жыл бұрын

@@TalentSpotter83 I think it is very well made but inaccurate.

@TalentSpotter83

2 жыл бұрын

@@Drummer2020 totally agree Brian. I shall have to get your book. Grateful for your service.

Being as the last military Junta was essentially placed, supported and partially trained as a US effort against the chance of a south american red uprising, the fact it ended in a fluke of a conflict against a NATO partner essentially makes this a preview of what would later happen with the Taliban.

@Dourkan

2 жыл бұрын

Lol I never thought of it that way. Interesting, isn't it.

@adrianshephard378

Жыл бұрын

I don't get it

@storrho

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianshephard378 Don't use your voting rights.

@adrianshephard378

Жыл бұрын

@@storrho What does that have to do with the taliban?

@storrho

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianshephard378 Taliban was previously funded and supplied by the USA, just like the junta.

There is a small mistake, the Argentinian soldiers that invadede the Falklands, were not just conscripts, or poor second hand units, but the elite and very motivated Argentinian Marines. They were replaced by the conscripts after the taking of the islands. This actually matters, because the professional soldiers were much better (in part due to better officers) at upholding order, and making sure the civilians were not at risk, something conscripts units have a much harder time doing.

@lightravenn

Жыл бұрын

He didn't mention it, but some conscripts can't move like that to make the garrison surrender, it is obvious they were not conscripts and they knew what were the dangers, Intel failed and they lost the upper hand, that's why they only managed to surround the UK forces without killing anyone, probably the officer of the marines died without knowing the fact that they were already exposed. Because of the Chilean situation, they used only the minimum vets possible to manage the situation on the islands. The Navy were outmatched for a face to face with a British task force, and the pilots either from the air force or the navy did a great job considering the little time they had to retrain their skills.

@Turbo_vortx

3 ай бұрын

I believe that

Interesting video, I find some similarities within the follies of the Argentinian military to that of some other incidents in our time. Also find it interesting that the dispute has been brought to the table by Argentina as recently as just last year, troubling indeed. In these times we cant count anything out on the world stage anymore... many are emboldened as of late

My dad was doing his obligatory military service in Mendoza when war broke out, and if the war had lasted longer, he might have been sent there. Thankfully, that never happened, and its just an anecdote

this war spawned the best newspaper headline ever: THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK, superimposed over a British carrier sailing full-speed to war.

@HellbirdIV

2 жыл бұрын

The movie was only 2 years old at the time and Return of the Jedi was still in production, so the reference was quite timely!

@DMG0011

2 жыл бұрын

@@HellbirdIV actually the best headline was "stick it up your junta"

@cock9

2 жыл бұрын

@@DMG0011 wtf is junta?

Great video 👍 and animation and info on point

One of my colleagues was on the prison ship that returned the Argentinian soldiers after the end of hostilities. They were taking the POWs up onto the open deck in small groups so that they could stretch their legs, have a cigarette etc. Before returning them below. One man asked him as they were led up "Is this it?". My friend was puzzled "is it what?". The guy replied "Last cigarette and over the side". Some of them genuinely thought we'd shoot them and dump them in the South Atlantic. I'm sure many are familiar with the story of the Argentine pilot who was shot down, Found himself in British military medical care and was surprised to discover he was treated in accordance to his injuries and not his nationality. Which put him higher up the queue than many of the British troops in the facility. it makes me wonder what the treatment of British troops would have been if the situation had been reversed. The state of Moody Brooks barracks gives us a clue. It was shot to bits and had evidence of hand grenades being set off in the barrack rooms. The Royal Marine contingent was supposed to be asleep in those barracks when the Argentines invaded. That they weren't is probably why none of them were killed. Also, Rex Hunt called for a cease fire because they were holed up in a wooden building and the Royal Marines had no intention of surrendering. He didn't want those young men to die pointlessly, as he saw it. It would have been nice if that had been shown in the video.

@littleshep5502

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't just hand grenades, but also white phosphorus. Argentina denies this was them, and instead blames harriers. Because 30mm cannon leaves the same size hole as small arms. Obviously.

@GS-tl9uz

10 ай бұрын

Los comandos anfibios reducieron y tomaron posición de la isla sin realizar una solo baja, respetando la ley internacional. Incluso Argentina no fue el que dio el primer disparó, ya que aquí se tenia la idea de negociar, pero eso quedo claro que no era posible cuando se hundió el ARA General Belgrano, que marcó el inicio real de la guerra. Incluso la fuerza aérea nonhuzo uso de la bombas de napalm sobre las fuerzas británicas por razones humanitarias, cuando tranquilamente se lo podría haber usado ya que en ese momento no estába prohibido el uso del mismo. En el combates en la isla, la infantería de marina argentina no habría fuego contra varios helicopteros británicos por que se sabía que ahí en llevaban heridos, tampoco los pilotos se animaron a lanzar bombas en lus buques transatlánticos que estaban llenos de tropas británicas. La verdad es que para ganar una guerra aveces se necesita tener un poco más de maldad. El vietcong cometió un montón de atrocidades para la ganar la guerra, atrocidades que hasta el día de hoy siguen ocultas, en Argentina no somos capaces de hacer eso.

@urmum3773

7 ай бұрын

@@GS-tl9uz "in Argentina we are not capable of doing that." Lmao

Godspeed to those who perished in the cold waters and the land of the Falkland Islands. Que en paz descansen los muertos. 🇦🇷🇫🇰🇬🇧

@nekjevecnasrbijaisrbskirod

2 жыл бұрын

lame a$$

When starting a war to gain popular support completely backfires

@fireiron369

2 жыл бұрын

Russo-Japanese War 2: Electric Boogaloo

@ignacio1171

2 жыл бұрын

Damn kinda like the second Iraq war, crazy

@nicolaszan1845

2 жыл бұрын

Desperate times call for desperate measures. When the war started everyone in the Junta realized it was an all-or-nothing gamble; in truth, given the state of the British at the time (facing harsh economic woes and sorta seen as the US' minion after to the Suez crisis in 1956) the Argentine Junta didn't believe that a war would break out. Rather, the invasion was meant to be used as a bargaining chip for diplomatic negotiations.

@thekaiseroftheeast3895

2 жыл бұрын

Backfired for one side, successful for the other. The British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher was also extremely unpopular (and for good reason). Gallup polls in the fall of 1981 showed her to have the lowest rating ever recorded by Gallup, about 27%. Thatcher likely used the Falklands War to improve her own standing among the British people as well as serve as a distraction for the economic problems she was causing.

@CalvinK300

2 жыл бұрын

@@thekaiseroftheeast3895 yes, Falklands War basically was godsend for the Iron Lady.

Thanks good info keep it up :)

You are a great teacher thank you for your service of teaching

Great video! I find the Falklands War to be one of the most fascinating topics, I just read a great book I'd recommend by one of the Harrier pilots called 'Hostile Skies'. If done correctly it could be the perfect topic for a Christopher Nolan film 🧐

@raymurphy9749

2 жыл бұрын

Another great book is 100 days by Admiral Sandy Woodward the Admiral in command of the British Fleet, a good read and an in depth look into his mind during the conflict

@lhugueny

2 жыл бұрын

@@raymurphy9749 Thank you for the suggestion, I'll read that one next 🙏😎

@raymurphy9749

2 жыл бұрын

@@lhugueny definitely worth a read, interesting the tactics used and you get to read about the bigger picture of the conflict as a whole 👍🏼

@CavingIn2022

2 жыл бұрын

Cool seeing you here dude!

@themarvelousemafia4457

2 жыл бұрын

@@lhugueny Ah I see you're a history geek, good.

Just the amount of details that the graphics team put into this is insane! Even the typical 70's milico moustaches on the officers, very well done you guys!

@ricardokowalski1579

2 жыл бұрын

21:25 The shelves on the right with the bottles says "armchair historian" 😁

@felixc.3444

2 жыл бұрын

@@ricardokowalski1579 good eye

@lche6971

2 жыл бұрын

Milico mustaches lmao...well put brother ...that was on point che

@facundomouly9446

2 жыл бұрын

@@lche6971 un clásico el bigote milico papá, definió la década. Como la cancha de paddle y el parripollo en los '90s

@Housey1985

2 жыл бұрын

That’s all true which makes it a shame it’s so full of factual errors and bias…

Its neat seeing my close friend's thumbnails on such big videos

Stellar work. Waiting for part 2 when this is seen from the British POV

I actually never heard of this war until I saw the film “blessed by fire”, a pretty good film about the Falkland’s war. It’s a pretty interesting war

@Liynt

2 жыл бұрын

Not a war it was a conflict as no nations made a formal declaration of war but yes it is very interesting

@itachi-wg3gu

2 жыл бұрын

@@Liynt it started as a conflict then turned to a war. Both side declared a zone of war in the Atlantic off of Argentina.

@UntrueHDBLP002

2 жыл бұрын

it's good cinematography but its undertones are bad for understanding the war. many of his comrades in arms testify Edgardo Esteban (writer and director) was a lazy coward. kzread.info/dash/bejne/nKCWurysgcndj6g.html here are some testimonies (they're in Spanish).

@HankD13

2 жыл бұрын

An Ungentlemanly Act [1992] is a pretty decent film covering the initial landings. Still a great deal of uncertainty about actual events, as Argentine, British and Islanders views are often in conflict. The best coverage (from the British side) is the British Army Documentaries channel four part "The Falklands War" with great detail and interviews with the people involved.

@ArgentinoyLibertarioJL

2 жыл бұрын

Edgardo Esteban quien escribio esa pelicula fue un cobarde que huyo el dia que le toco combatir. ademas es muy evidente el enfoque que tiene esa pelicula solo retratar como niños a los soldados y a los oficiales como el enemigo de la nacion siendo que la mayoria de ellos murieron de forma heroica

My uncle was a sailor on HMS Endurance when the war broke out, the only Royal Navy ship for thousands of miles, as an Antarctic survey ship she had very few weapons, she had to evade the Argentine navy for weeks whilst they hunted the Endurance, alone and defenceless hiding from radar alongside icebergs, she would have been a massive propaganda coup for the Argentines had they sunk her,, he listened in as the Santa Fe an Argentine submarine was attacked by Endurance's helo and was there with the SAS on board before and after retaking South Georgia

@leonardoflorentin

2 жыл бұрын

Funny, the major argentine propaganda footag6 came from the own british defense cammera system, you could even see those videos on KZread now, as "crazy real low flight malvinas/falkland war."

@harlequin2614

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardoflorentin was it sunk? No. That was the Argentine propaganda claiming the sunk ships they had not

@leonardoflorentin

2 жыл бұрын

@@harlequin2614 you can clearly see it burning, amazingly enough britain did not hide those sunken ships, most probably because those were too obvious to hide.

@Noremac023

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardoflorentin en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Endurance_(1967) You can clearly see it in these photos taken after the war. It wasn’t sunk because that would require competency the Argentines lacked.

@leonardoflorentin

2 жыл бұрын

@@Noremac023 the only attack hided by the britis, was the attack to the invencible, all the others were just on the open and couldn't be hide. Britain golden era died long before 1982, as a matter of fact britain was never known for being a formidable war machine but rather for being pirates.

It would be awesome to have a dedicated discord server of the war with both nations represented, as an Argentinian it would be interesting to know what a regular British citizen knows about the war and the point of view. Moreover there are a lot of stories about people that are still looking for soldiers from the other side because they end up being friends

@aegontargaryen9322

Жыл бұрын

It was very hyped up that a foreign power had invaded British soil Gurante . The whole nation was behind the task force as it sailed . Looking back now most people understand the truth of the matter was a lot more complicated than was made out at the time . Your correct of course , a lot of old adversaries are now good friends . Governments play politics and a lot of ordinary men must die for it .

@TheSm1thers

Жыл бұрын

Most don't know much at all about the conflict but those who do typically are proud of those who stood up to a military dictatorship invading British lands and often see Argentines as crazy militaristic zealots due to the Argentine government still trying to take them even despite the referendum, not helped by the Top Gear special.

@InvagPrune

Жыл бұрын

I can give you my view: we don't really know much as it has not been taught in schools or anything, most of what i know is from my parents or from the internet including videos like this one. The circumstances are much easier to form an opinion on; i can sympathise with the Argentinians who want the islands back although not to the point of violence, and I feel bad about the junta and glad that it ended. However I'm not glad that it ended because of British victory, violence on our side was unnecessary, and a large part (i think) of the reason we reinvaded was because of Thatcher and the tories of the 80s. They have a generally unpopular legacy, although people are very divided over that, and its likely that the conflict would not have happened had it been started at a different time - i was told that it was an opportunity for a rally-around-the-flag close to British elections. However, its hard to see any other way for Argentina; the British refuse to negotiate (i am of the opinion that we should negotiate with the intent of handing back the islands but for guarantees and equivalent compensations) and the desire to have the islands back is clearly hugely popular in Argentina (see top gear). However, as a fan of the avro vulcan, it was pretty cool to have the rare opportunity for vulcans to actually do something. If the operation had ended after the vulcan bombing, i wouldn't be mad.

@InvagPrune

Жыл бұрын

@@TheSm1thersis essentially correct when generalising the opinion of the British people, although I would say most understand the Argentinian zealousness even if they don't agree with it, and also don't think the Argentinians are particularly militaristic, they understand it was the junta that wanted violence.

@TheSm1thers

Жыл бұрын

@Gavin Crump Yeah I think most people understand the government are the problem. People also understand from the news that Argentina is suffering financially. Argentina is also known for football, badly for cheating to eliminate England but mostly positively for Messi.

Now for balance do 'Falklands War From Reality's Perspective"

@chrisjones5411

4 ай бұрын

That would involve Griffin not reeeeinf about the British for more than 20 minutes

@Tomartyr

4 ай бұрын

@@chrisjones5411 Yeah a too much to ask from you average American 'historian.' Maybe Atun-Shei could be up to the task.. 🤣🤣🤣

In regards to Piaggis surrender, given his intelligence and that he was uncertain as of whether we had artillary, the decision to save the town and his men is admirable, of not commendable

@matiyah7788

2 жыл бұрын

@N Fels What are you talking? No soldier was unmotivated, they fought until they ran out of ammunition. Those best units that you are talking about, they thought that it would only take 2 hours to take goose green and then they would drink tea, but it ended only when the best units started using MILAN missiles, because those Argentine soldiers were so unmotivated, as you say , that to get them out of their positions they had to use the MILAN missiles,Sure!!

@matiyah7788

2 жыл бұрын

@N FelsWhat??? who soldiers and officers disagree with me? Is no my opinion,is reality!

@matiyah7788

2 жыл бұрын

@N Fels what??haha can you comment here a link to a video where they say that or an interview or something?

@roberteugene7295

2 жыл бұрын

@@matiyah7788 My apologies, but why don't you try researching it yourself? Just a thought...

@littleshep5502

Жыл бұрын

At least he surrendered honourably, unlike those who murdered several of the 2 para under the white flag

You missed a HUGE detail, Argentina REFUSED to abide by the 1978 arbitration award with Chile and threatened to INVADE but had to back down when Chile prepared for war. They vowed to try again and went in an uncontrolled military shopping spree, until deteriorating local conditions made invading the Falklands look like a good idea, sicne the UK looked like an easier target than Chile. THAT is the reason why there was trouble with Chile

@joonker9607

2 жыл бұрын

No lol, Argentina backed down due to arbitration by the Vatican

@trauko1388

2 жыл бұрын

@@joonker9607 LOL!!! 1. Argentina proposed arbitration early in 1978 confident Chile would refused due to the problems they had with the Vatican. 2. Chile accepted Vatican mediation. 3. Argentina WITHDREW its offer. 4. Argentina readied its army and sent its fleet south. 5. Chile readied its army and sent its fleet south. 6. ...Argentina decided to accept its OWN mediation offer and claimed divine intervention! 7. The Argentinian Military Junta was replaced by another one due the major embarrassment.🤣🤣🤣

@joonker9607

2 жыл бұрын

@@trauko1388 ok so you're just ignoring the Pope's intervention, is this the chilean revisionism you're fed?

@trauko1388

2 жыл бұрын

@@joonker9607 LOL!!! Yeah the "VATICAN FLEET" intervened, right??? 🤣🤣🤣 Remind me, was the Pope in the Argentinian Junta? It is always hilarious to see the argentinians believe and regurgitate the lies their "brave" soldiers told them... right up til the day the ships with argentinian prisoners docked in buenos aires... Yeah, the POPE stopped you, right? Nothing to do with the Chilean Navy and Army waiting for your "brave" soldiers and sailors... 🤣🤣🤣

@Pabloto-dq3sx

2 жыл бұрын

@@trauko1388 I really don’t know pal. I could swear it was because of a pope’s mediation, at least that’s what it’s written everywhere I go to see about the resolution of the conflict. I recently watched a claux.7 video of him visiting the beagle channel and looking around the disarmed artillery and bunkers. It really seemed like a dry stop with the plan.

That torpedo launch at 16:15 hurt me a bit Though makes sense cause you can't really do a long visual cut with torp going into the water and hitting the sub.

Superb presentation.

Man you guys should totally turn some of your thumbnails into posters cause they're really well done this one is definitely one of the best ones you've made so far

Hello, I am from Perú and yes my country supported Argentina in the war but many thinks that it wasn't a good idea because we were with our own internal problems to support with a war that wouldn't gave us something in return

@Laguihole

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe wasnt a good idea for you, but as an argentine im grateful for your support!

@r.a.llorente2694

2 жыл бұрын

@@Laguihole I am sharing an opinion that not only me but many share but is just that an opinion, we can't change what happened

@cseijifja

2 жыл бұрын

@@Laguihole its only natural to help an ally , despite what this countryman of mine say , not many think it was bad in anyway , we never look to europeans meddling in america too kindly.

@brrrrrtenjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

@@cseijifja I'd agree with the meddling part but it was kind of more like Argentina meddling in British territory at the time. Not British but just saying.

@stefanodadamo6809

2 жыл бұрын

Only a distorted and misdirected interpretation of anticolonial rhetoric could have led any Latin American country to side with Argentina. Seriously.

Como argentino me sorprende (para bien) el respeto con el que se trata el conflicto y al que fue (en su caso) el "oponente". Ojalá algún día se encuentre una solución a esta disputa histórica. Sabemos que es probable que ninguno de los dos países renuncie a sus pretensiones, al menos por mucho tiempo. En mi país las generaciones son educadas desde el inicio de la escuela sobre la historia del archipiélago, los recursos y disposiciones históricas y, sobretodo, sobre aquella fatídica guerra. Lógicamente para nosotros siempre serán argentinas, pero el compromiso de resolver el conflicto mediante el diálogo debe ser algo irrenunciable.

@paulchristopher8634

Жыл бұрын

I bet the schools don’t teach children that the Falklands were founded by the French until they were taken over by the British do they

@simonoreilly5141

Жыл бұрын

Cuando uno usa la violencia para obtener sus metas, es el ùltimo recurso para resolver la situacion esa. Significa que el momento de la diplomàcia se acabo, y por lo tanto el que usa la violencia lo reconoce. Argentina usò la violence y al hacerlo perdonó la oportunidad de resolver el conflicto con el diálogo. La guerra fue la ùltima oportunidad para tomar las islas. El reino unido ya no tiene porque responder a ningun acercamiento argentino de discurso u oferta de negociaciones, la violencia era la ultima carta que podia jugar argentina y la ha perdido para siempre. si uno usa la violencia y pierde, el otro nunca más necesita responderles.

@damianb.2437

Жыл бұрын

@@simonoreilly5141 no olvidemos que a través de la violencia fue que gran Bretaña expulsó a los ciudadanos argentinos durante la primera mitad del siglo XIX. Esta es una discusión que va mucho más allá de dos desconocidos intercambiando opiniones en una plataforma impersonal.

@simonoreilly5141

Жыл бұрын

@Aaron Natanael te restas valor al punto principal de la conversación (la guerra de las Malvinas) y profundizas en la historia y el colonialismo. Esto está fuera de tema, pero como lo mencionaste y el colonialismo, me gustaría preguntarte qué le hizo Argentina (no España) a la gran población africana que existía hace menos de 100 años. ¿Qué idioma hablaba (personalmente) antes de hablar español? Su historia está tan contaminada como la de cualquier poder colonial. Tu hipocresía hacia el colonialismo, mientras cosechas los beneficios de su lengua y cultura europea, es impactante. Señor, parece no darse cuenta de su propia miopía.

@simonoreilly5141

Жыл бұрын

@Aaron Natanael antes de empezar a lanzar calumnias sobre el colonialismo y la historia, asegúrese de que su propia historia esté libre de pecado. Viví en Colombia durante siete años, mi esposa e hijos son colombianos, he viajado muchas veces a Argentina por trabajo. Conozco la historia de América Latina (incluyendo a William Brown, ya que soy descendiente de irlandeses). cuando visito Argentina me sorprende la cantidad de gente que dice ser más europea que latina. Me parece hipócrita que tus compatriotas afirmen que por un lado son más europeos que latinos y por otro odian que esos mismos europeos hayan sido colonizadores de América del Sur. por eso te pregunto cual es? ¿orgullo de su historia europea o vergüenza de su historia europea? Solo recuerda, todo lo que tienes, todo lo que eres, tu maravilloso idioma (soy hispanohablante), historia, religión, arquitectura, literatura, arte, comida, líderes y héroes son casi todos europeos (en su mayoría españoles). Deberías estar orgulloso de esto y no usarlo como arma. que tire la primera piedra el que este libre de pecado.

This obsession regarding remote islands that have never really been a part of Argentina, nor have ever had a sedentary Argentine population, amazes me. The only thing that comes to my mind, it is yet another way to deflect people's attention from the inability to solve problems at home.

@die1mayer

Жыл бұрын

Those islands are near their coast. Like Germany having to cope with Helgoland being british.

@littleshep5502

Жыл бұрын

@@die1mayer aside from unlike helgoland, the Falklands are roughly 400 miles off the coast

@die1mayer

Жыл бұрын

@@littleshep5502 The Falkland Islands have only one strategic value for Britain, as a bridgehead for staging an invasion of Argentina. Legally everything west of the line of demarcation set in the Treaty of Tordesillas is spanish, and Argentina is a de-jure successor of the Viceroyalty of the Río de la Plata which held sovereignty over the Falklands. Those british colonists prove nothing, Argentina is well within its rights to deport them.

@littleshep5502

Жыл бұрын

@@die1mayer the treaty of tordesillas wasn't recognised by anyone other than Spain or Portugal, hence why other countries held territory in south America. As for Argentina, they gained independence in 1816, whereas Spain had not only not held the Falklands, having left in 1811, but also moved the government responsible for the viceroyalty to Uruguay. Argentina then proceeded to say it wasn't theirs in 1825. Thus Argentina claimed them in 1829, were warned by Britain they were trying to claim British land, before Britain returned in 1833.

@garbancitolentejas486

Жыл бұрын

Never? Who belonged those remotes islands in 1800´s?

I'm an Argentenian-American and I love this video. I feel as if the war isn't talked about much, and when it is talked about, the legacy is often left in the dark. It was this war that raised a dictator's approval rating, and it was this war that led to the Junta being overthrown. I visited the country last year in November and I saw firsthand how the low-approval government in the middle of an economic crisis is trying to get the country back to a patriotic Falklands state of mind: in Ushuaia, Rosario, and Buenos Aires, it's not uncommon to find flags, memorials, billboards, and even bills with the islands - but even isolated cities in the middle of nowhere have this. I love my country, yet I don't want people to think that all Argentines supported the war or people to think that the war doesn't live on. Argentina is a great country, yet it has its own flaws.

@craydussy

2 жыл бұрын

What country doesn't have it's flaws? I know mine does. Love and peace from 🇺🇸

@thomasweir2834

2 жыл бұрын

It's a very common ploy by politicians to distract from their own failings and inadequacies. They do it in the U.k. They do it in India. They do it in France. America. China. They're doing right now in Russia. All over the world the moment domestic policy hits the ropes, the moment economic problems grow: every politician resorts to nationalism and directing attention to the ‘other’. And it will continue forever. The youth and educated don't rely fall for it. But in every country there's a large group, often a majority, that allow themselves to be seduced by flags, rhetoric and nationalism. It's easier for Argentianians to complain about at war that happened 35 years ago then believe that they're powerless over their political and economic situation. But I've always thought the moment a domestic political group starts with the flag waving and directs attention to a historic ‘enemy’ or ‘other’ then it means they're probably on their way out as a political power.

@AbhijayAgarwal

2 жыл бұрын

@@thomasweir2834 As an Indian, we have 2 enemy nations right on the border (Pakistan and China), so it's very easy for politicians to go "we will take back PoK (Pakistan occupied Kashmir) and Aksai Chin", just before elections. As India has extremely high levels of patriotism and to some extent, nationalism, millions of people support the party that makes such claims. For example, in 2019, the Balakot strikes, conducted by the IAF over Pakistan based terrorist groups, and ordered by the PM despite bad weather (he said that he approved it because the clouds would make the planes harder to detect), was used consistently for the 2019 elections. In 2020, Chinese soldiers killed 20 Indian soldiers in the Galwan valley (in response, Russian media suggests that 45 Chinese soldiers were killed). In response, our government banned 100 something Chinese apps over the span of a few months, and said nothing about China building villages in the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh. However, they haven't gone to war yet, as they most likely know that if we lose, they'll be out of power.

@LuukvdHoogen

2 жыл бұрын

That is something that I was wondering about; how do Argentinians view the war nowadays.. To be honest, if it wasn't done for political gain by a diminishing junta,.. the claim still doesn't seem completely crazy or unethical to me. And sending the most modern military machines around the world, sinking a boat full of conscripts in the process, never looked like Britains finest hour to me.

@PixxelandNasal

2 жыл бұрын

@@LuukvdHoogen if you’re curious about how we view it, I can summarize it in one word: unnecessary. I can’t watch, read or listen to anything about this topic without shedding a tear. So many lives lost in vain on both sides. There’s still people that think we could’ve “won” and others that celebrate the ships sunk by the Air Force, etc. People that were in the military service back then absolutely despise the army and always talk about how they ended up hating their superiors more than the “enemy”. That was well pointed out in the video. I would also say that I’ve never come across an Argentinian stating that the war was a correct move for the country, though sadly many (in their hatred for certain political movements, mainly Peronism-) actually romanticize the military dictatorship and wish it was back in place.

After reading and learning about "The Dirty War" I'm unfortunately glad that this war happened. Severely undermind the military junta of Argentina and gave the people the final drive to demand democratization.

@audunms4780

2 жыл бұрын

it could prob be done through diplomacy, a tone of people needed not to die.

@theanglo-lithuanian1768

2 жыл бұрын

@@audunms4780 They might of but since they decided to invade it instead it and were defeated, thereby cementing it as a source of British pride. Any British prime minister that gives up the Falklands now would be seen as a unpatriotic coward that spit in the face to everyone that fought in the war.

@Laucron

2 жыл бұрын

Inb4 the british patting their own back again

@lubu2960

2 жыл бұрын

More Argentinians dead due to the junta than from the British army.

@afailureofaanimator6744

2 жыл бұрын

You need a bad thing to happen for people to look for the good.

This was an excellent video and, as a Briton, I found it compelling to see the conflict from the Argentinian perspective. I've read over the various claims so I know how these things can be so hotly disputed. I'd just like to say that it's sad that so many men lost their lives, essentially as a PR exercise.

US Gov during the conflict: "Could you not just give them these islands, it;s not as if they're near you or strategic?" UK Gov: "Like Hawaii is to you? The answers No" US Gov: "Fine... want some guns?"

@Pol66590

2 жыл бұрын

Oversimplified.

@maxdavis7722

2 жыл бұрын

@Jackaroo we didn’t wage war, war was waged against us. The idea that because Hawaii is a state do it matters is stupid. The US wouldn’t allow Puerto Rico to be invaded.

@timonsolus

2 жыл бұрын

A better analogy would be: the Falklands is to the UK what Guam is to the United States. Geographically, Guam should belong to the Federated States of Micronesia. But there is no way in hell that the USA would agree to acknowledge Micronesian sovereignty over Guam. It’s too important as a US military base.

@free_boiling4502

2 жыл бұрын

@Jackaroo If the British shouldn't die to defend a sparsely populated island with no strategic purpose, the Argentines shouldn't die to take said island even more.

@free_boiling4502

2 жыл бұрын

@Jackaroo The US also has a bunch of non-state Islands thousands of miles from home

The Falklands will probably be disputed forever. Great video. It's always nice to see a different perspective on a war.

@LogieT2K

2 жыл бұрын

Which is dumb. Its pretty clear that the islanders want to remain under the british. Seeing as its been almost unanimous everytime they’ve voted on it. I wish the Argentines would focus on their own domestic issues. They actually need to offer something of value for the islanders to want to join them. But i guess whining at the UN is easier

@eliasziad7864

2 жыл бұрын

Why doesnt Argentina invade again?

@jabezcooke8012

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliasziad7864 Because they’d probably get embarrassingly blown up again obviously.

@henriquem.9763

2 жыл бұрын

@@LogieT2K and crimeans want to remain under the russian..

@toveychurchill6468

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliasziad7864 It’s because the Argentine economy and military are in ruins

Really good production values and you vividly captured the battle scenes, certainly the best reenactment of the Falklands War I've seen. Shame it had a clear bias rather than strive to be objective by telling the story from both sides.

4:00 lol love the streetfighter analogy

The production quality on these videos is getting so good that it's amazing that you're putting in so much detail both in your narrative and also into the visuals.

The British have only just cleared the Argentine land mines from the beaches that had become penguin sanctuaries as a result. The birds were too light to set them off.

@mattlevens6382

2 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@leeboy26

2 жыл бұрын

That explains why I've never seen a tubby penguin in the falklands.

@Digitaaliklosetti

2 жыл бұрын

To this day perfidious Albion does all in it's power to harm and hinder innocent penguins

@davidbrown2571

2 жыл бұрын

Did we get Argentina to pay for the removal ? I doubt it as we end up paying for everything.

@williammorley2401

2 жыл бұрын

Silent Hunter, some of the birds from the UK would set them off, great big fat lasses they are!.

Miss alot of history at the start of your video. The british were there before argentina existed.

El Historiador de sillon!! Loved it!

Also let me point out that the period of Argentina in the 70s was a much more complicated case. The former president and general Juan Domingo Perón, had returned to the country in 1973 after a long exile in which he was received by crowds of different currents. Before his return, he sponsored militant groups to destabilize the anti-Peronist governments that had expelled him back in 1955. Among these groups emerged the so-called "Montoneros", a revolutionary group with a Guevarist bent but which supported the return of Perón and advocated a “nationalistic socialism”. Los Montoneros, got public support thanks to the kidnapping they carried out with General Pedro Aramburu and their subsequent execution. The victim had already gained a lot of hatred among the population due to his role in the military coup that overthrew Perón in 1955. However, the support would not last, because a series of murders, kidnappings, robberies and bombings it created a climate of counterproductive terror on the part of the guerrillas. Between 1969 and 1975, almost 700 people were murdered, including Army officers, industrialists, trade unionists, priests and foreign diplomats. With the death of Perón in 1974, the chaos and disorder did nothing but harm the government of his wife Isabel Perón, who would end up being overthrown in a coup on March 24, 1976. As a result, a government was created from a Military Junta directed by Jorge Rafael Videla, who would become president from 1976 to 1978, supported by the admiral of the fleet Emilio Eduardo Massera and the chief of aviation, Ornaldo Ramón Agosti. The Junta began the so-called National Reorganization Process, which consisted of monitoring or purging everything that was linked to guerrilla subversion, including an intense campaign of persecution and kidnapping of leftist militants until 1979.

There is an Argentine TV series, *Combatientes* (Fighters in English) that was made in 2013 and was billed as Argentina's version of the HBO miniseries Band of Brothers, which I think is worth a watch if one wants to see the Falklands War / Guerra de las Malvinas from the Argentine perspective. It narrates the experiences of a few young Argentine conscript soldiers and an officer during their time in the Falkland Islands / Islas Malvinas. Language is in Spanish though and I haven't been able to find English subtitles for this unfortunately.

@MrWiggo91

2 жыл бұрын

Well as a Brit I'd be interested to see it but would need subtitles in order to have any chance of understanding it. I absolutely support the Islanders right to determine for themselves who they are aligned to (or no one if that is their decision) and as such feel it was right to remove the Argentinians from the islands but equally a part of me does feel sorry for some of the Argentine soldiers who wound up in that war. This being said, you can read about what they did to people, people's homes and the booby traps they left everywhere when they realised they were going to lose (grenades in coffee jars and on kids toys... That's fucked up beyond belief) and all of a sudden I find my resolve against them steeled again. Still it would be interesting to see and hear as I'm sure they weren't all arseholes.

@Leandro-pw6nw

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrWiggo91 el trato a los civiles en 1982 fue mucho mejor que en 1833

@MrWiggo91

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leandro-pw6nw I don't speak Spanish, fella

@mikeycraig8970

2 жыл бұрын

@@Leandro-pw6nw No it wasn't, the dirty argies used people's homes and the post office as toilets ffs. They set up artillery next to schools and hospitals. The Argentines fought dirty, and they still lost against someone fighting fairly!!

@juanma9511

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeycraig8970 not really, the english send nepalese soldiers as cannon fodder

I just have to say the guy running by the screen stealing something always makes me laugh. He always looks so happy hahahaha

15:30 love the reference to "Empire strikes back" !

You claim that the MoD "verified" execution of Argentine PoWs... but that's not strictly true. The investigation into those allegations didn't find evidence and the claims appear to have been mistaken or outright false. The MoD certainly didn't "verify" them. Quite disappointing you'd put such a contentious claim in a literal footnote.

@MarcosGarcia-kx4rb

2 жыл бұрын

Argentinian here never heard about it only heard about decet treatment of PoW and medics working along in the floating hospital they set up for both countries. the only myth I ever heard is about the gurkhas mercs suposedly scalping PoW but they just tell it as a fun fact thats obviously false.

@EfftupSmith

2 жыл бұрын

I've heard stories that the British DID find American mercenaries amongst the Argentine troops who they DID execute. But only in those "I know someone who knows someone that was there" type of stories.

@jermainerace4156

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcosGarcia-kx4rb They only say that because of the big knives that they never seem to use for any real purpose.

@littleshep5502

2 жыл бұрын

There was at least one case of someone shooting an argentine soldier that had surrendered, rather than a POW, however, this was from a unit of 2 Para that had come under fire from argentines using the white flag, so they didnt want to take the risk he would shoot them in the back

@jermainerace4156

2 жыл бұрын

@@littleshep5502 Ah the old "partial surrender" of a unit.

Why is it always you make a video that I needed in my life, but didn't know I needed in my life. Fantastic work, been watching y'all for years now. Keep up the amazing work!

Muy lindo tu video. Te escribo desde Córdoba (Argentina) y te digo que me ha gustado mucho. Hay algunos errores, pero son comprensibles. Espero que tengas mucho éxito.

@chrisjones5411

4 ай бұрын

Falklands are British.

@dieguito3422

4 ай бұрын

​@@chrisjones5411 ok britoid

fun fact the BBc also broadcast that the british had intercepted communications in the argentine military in argentina. Argentina quickly changed the codes. Well done BBC!

The biggest irony is that the airforce of Argentina who weren't that enamoured at the idea of invading the Falklands fought heroically .

@roberteugene7295

2 жыл бұрын

There was no shortage of bravery among the FAA pilots, that's for sure.

@mariadelrosarioacevedo6858

2 жыл бұрын

Nadie ama las guerras

@DEAR7340

2 жыл бұрын

@@mariadelrosarioacevedo6858 The US military industrial complex might be an exception. I have yet to meet an American veteran, with combat experience, that doesn't *hate* the very idea of going to war.

@tremedar

2 жыл бұрын

@@DEAR7340 Well of course the industrial complex loves the idea of a war, they make out like fat rats, while the best the soldiers get is to come home alive and unharmed. It has been nearly 3 generations since there was a war fought by the US whose outcome affected national security. That may change soon, though...

Been watching your videos since 2018 my friend!! Love all of your videos and one of the best history channels on youtube. Keep up the good work!!!

I'm British and I've never visited the Falkland Islands before, but I wanna go some day. It looks like an interesting place

@mrkilo-g8794

Жыл бұрын

Not just Penguin Islands nothing new, if you do you should check out sandwich islands

@oliversherman2414

Жыл бұрын

@@mrkilo-g8794 is that near the Falklands?

@mrkilo-g8794

Жыл бұрын

@@oliversherman2414 Yes by a few couple miles away

@oliversherman2414

Жыл бұрын

@@mrkilo-g8794 ok

@mirkoz843

Жыл бұрын

The only airport that will take you to the Falklands is in Ushuaia, Argentina 😉

Exelente video, saludos desde Argentina

Finally, thank you for this video. So many people seem to downplay or just ignore the dictatorship's role in the conflict, and the diplomacy that came before it. This is a welcome change of pace. Argentine Independence War and the Paraguay war are also interesting subjects to cover for a future video, assuming Europe runs out of wars eventually.

As an Argentinian i really apreciate this kind of content, such a great job you did here!!

@LilMigga10

2 жыл бұрын

Ñ

@mendozaguillermo8786

2 жыл бұрын

@@LilMigga10 Xd

@meltedelevator

2 жыл бұрын

As someone from Britain I think that since the falklands are not only way closer to Argentina, but are also a very underpopulated area of the UK. And our money shouldn't be wasted on a tiny group of islands in south america I think Argentina should have it.

@miliba

2 жыл бұрын

@@meltedelevator nah sell it to Norway

@loop7280

2 жыл бұрын

@@meltedelevator they had a vote and i believe 3 people living in the Falklands actually wated to be part of Argentina vs the thousand British that had lived there for generations.

very nice! I was expecting to see more about Argentina's Air force Achievements

Sounds similar to Japan’s approach to The Laincourt Rocks known as Takeshima in Japan and Dokdo in Korea. As to what will be to also Tsushima and Daemado conflict is also in the case with the Sea of Japan. To say King Charles III have talks with the president of South Korea in a talks of the Unification of Korea that it is something of interest.

Very well done video, just one thing would have added if it was included at the ending of the video: the Falklanders had a referendum on British/Argentine rule, just a hair under 100% voted to remain British.

@dizzxk1

2 жыл бұрын

They're not Falklanders. They are British living on Malvinas

@jackwhitehead5233

2 жыл бұрын

@@dizzxk1 649 Argie corpses would suggest otherwise 😂😘

@Ayy_Doll_Fiddler

2 жыл бұрын

Those are British occupiers. The REAL inhabitants are proto Argentinians. Making it Argentine territory by right. Colonialism, get out! Islas Malvinas forever!

@1IbramGaunt

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ayy_Doll_Fiddler the heck are "proto" Argentinians supposed to be? Argentine cavemen or something? Your country dates back to around 1810 I believe...

@isengard1500

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ayy_Doll_Fiddler Argie propaganda, get your head out your arse

Está bastante bueno el video. Muchas gracias por poner nuestra perspectiva de la guerra, pocas veces se hace.

From a Brit to Argentina: Has luchado. Has perdido. Supéralo. (You fought. You lost. Get over it.)

@GS-tl9uz

9 ай бұрын

La guerra no legítima derechos, no sean imbéciles, lean historia. Fueron a la guerra contra Argentina por unas islas que no les generaban rédito alguno, solamente con la intención de luchar y derramar sangre.

@andypandy9013

9 ай бұрын

@@GS-tl9uz Fueron a defender los derechos de los isleños contra un régimen brutal que había ocupado ilegalmente las islas. Como dije antes: Luchaste, perdiste. Superalo.

@brunogomez2984

17 күн бұрын

No se puede invadir un territorio de nuestra propia soberanía! Esos habitantes son ilegales. Y sin embargo, no les tocaron ni un pelo durante la invasión!

Interesting that the Argentines call the Falkland Islanders "colonists" when most of their nation is descended from Italians that weren't there almost 200 years ago, unlike the Falkland Islanders

Absolutely love your work, it's very important to look from the perspectives of both cambatants to take a clear picture, and you have been doing a excellent work in that regard. Love from India

Would love to see one of these types of videos on the boxer rebellion from the Quing’s perspective.

Speaking as a Yorkshireman, Maggie's response to the Argentine invasion of the Falkland Islands was one of, if not the best thing she ever did during her Premiership

@Gaelic-Spirit

2 жыл бұрын

Real

@DaBIONICLEFan

2 жыл бұрын

It was to save her own political skin

@gianb3952

2 жыл бұрын

Speaking as an BuenosAiresman, Maggie's a war criminal and can't wait to visit her tomb to piss in it. Just my 2 cents though

@Valencetheshireman927

2 жыл бұрын

Hell yes it was

@petersmithm9

2 жыл бұрын

Closely followed by her original decision to remove and scrap Endurance from it's role in the South Atlantic a few months before the invasion.

I recall Geraldo Rivera broadcasting American troupe movements of Desert Storm on TV for the world to see.

‘The empire strikes back’ is the perfect way to describe the war.

@frenchfan3368

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, you just don't mess with the British Navy.

@malakaragua702

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the Falkland islanders, after 200 years, just didn't want colonised by Argentina?

@GigaChadlovesandcares

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrTiggy666 The Navy got a new carrier not even that long ago, it’s far from a joke lol.

@frenchfan3368

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrTiggy666 That is sad to hear.

@frenchfan3368

2 жыл бұрын

@@DrTiggy666 Why do you say that the "Anglo's demise is long overdue?" I'm just curious.