Greetings Roger I cannot believe it was allowed to get that far. I am an electrician and I am appalled at this dumpster fire.

@TecniclyAwsm

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I thought the same, I'm an HVAC guy and when we were on job sites us and most other tradesmen working on the house would have seen this and recognized it was terrible or that it would cause their install to be more difficult and therefore would get reported to the contractor. They've let him collect multiple draws on the job I'm sure so it's even more costly. Those houses are a nightmare.

@ev6558

10 ай бұрын

Sadly there are A LOT of fake plumbers out there. They figure they can't die from a mistake like if they pretended to be an electrician, and plumbing is just screwing pipes together so surely any idiot can do it, right? And then you get work like this. It should be less common on a new build where there are other tradesmen to see it but if it's a homeowner who needs work done there's nobody to call them out until the damage is done.

@JohnJKelly-of4dc

7 ай бұрын

Maybe he identifies as a plumber?

@abbswinston4258

4 ай бұрын

@@JohnJKelly-of4dcLMAO

as a licensed apprentice. we do not accept this guy as one of us.

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

I always tell people, treat every customer like it was your mothers or your grandmothers house…you’ll always do it the right way

@christopherkidwell9817

11 ай бұрын

@@RogerWakefieldNot necessarily. Some plumbers, even ones well out of their apprenticeship period, have been documented even for relatives and their own parents doing things the wrong way.

@Iam_jardow

11 ай бұрын

An a unlicensed regular person, we don't accept him either lol

@JohnSmith-xu7ev

11 ай бұрын

Thats not very progressive

@d1vin1ty

11 ай бұрын

It kills me because with as much as I've yet to learn, as someone who's been in the trade for 21 months, I 100% know I could do a better job. I'm sure I'd miss some things which might make for some small fixes, but things like shower heights and running lines I know enough of to get most of the way there. And that's with nearly 1 year of those 21 months being spent on finishing since our company lacks finishers and we do high end homes only so my journeyman's really advocating for me to get finishing strongly under my belt so I can be a finisher. That tub for example. Why not just angle the 90 on a 45 or 22, 45 or 22 down, and if it needs to kick back in toward the tee do 2 22's or 45's to offset it in line with the tee? It's simple, doesn't require a PHD in math to calculate the angles this guy did, and for the love of god hopefully solves having the pipe coloured blue with primer.

The contractor is ultimately responsible to ensure all work is done correctly, and if he subs is out he is responsible for the work he contracted to get done. This is because the home owner contracted with the contractor to do the work to code so it is up to the contractor to ensure that it is.

@ianbelletti6241

11 ай бұрын

This would be on the previous contractor. Hopefully he was bonded and you can take those extra costs from his contractor insurance. If not, the homeowner can sue him for the added cost for the rework. Hopefully the homeowner hasn't made a final payment.

I am a typical home owner/diyer. My son is a certified plumber. It wasn't until i asked him to do a few projects for me that i realized how much extra knowledge and skill goes into GOOD plumbing. Lol

How much you pay for the new guy? 20 bucks? No, too much money!

@MoneyManHolmes

11 ай бұрын

He’s no good.

@nolesy51

5 ай бұрын

Bad operator

The plumber is obviously at fault here. But if the homeowner hired a contractor then it is on the contractor to pay for a new (real) plumber and everything that entails. The contractor can (and most likely will) go after this "plumber" on the back end.

Wow i feel bad for that homeowner. Whoever it is learned something from it.

As a plumber who works for a company extremely strict with quality and code this was sooo painful to watch

@MultiTurbospeed

10 ай бұрын

If I was a plumber and I saw that mess I would replumb the whole house

This “plumber” and whoever hired him is in some deep sh*t. Easy lawsuit.

@godbluffvdgg

9 ай бұрын

Good money after bad...Lawyers CHARGE MONEY to file law suits...it's NEVER contingent...

@markthebuilder9837

9 ай бұрын

Maybe easy to win, but probably difficult to collect.

@johnanderson9494

5 ай бұрын

You can't get blood from a stone.

that is horrible!!!!!!!!! i have been plumbing for 20 years. I just started a business this year and see alot of that type of work i get called in to fix

In my lifetime experience, about half the plumbers that did work for me were horrible. I'm an RN and I've asked a few plumbers and contractors if they wanted me to do the same quality of work on their child as they did for me. Their embarrassed face says it all.

@stephencottens2521

10 ай бұрын

Gregs a male nurse

@DS-ld8ns

9 ай бұрын

who milks cats@@stephencottens2521

@kolbesmith1175

7 ай бұрын

You get what you pay for you find a cheap plumber you get cheap work you should've take a few estimates and never choose the lowest price they use the cheapest materials and usually have the least experienced workers

@Absaalookemensch

7 ай бұрын

@@kolbesmith1175 Did I say I got the lowest bid? No. Thank you for assuming. Please feel free to try again.

@kolbesmith1175

7 ай бұрын

@Absaalookemensch well you can't seem to find a decent plumber which isn't hard so you obviously aren't doing something.....

I'm a 4th year apprentice in my local 68 . And I've gotta say that home owner got screwed. Wow this guy does not know what the hell he is doing

@christopherkidwell9817

11 ай бұрын

Might be the reason why he is not an apprentice anymore. Kept on doing things the wrong way and the guy teaching him finally got exasperated with him and gave him the boot.

@theplumber9427

11 ай бұрын

Do your best and caulk the rest😉

@johnliller

10 ай бұрын

You don't have to be union to know this is fukd.

@user-lr5bo3ip8i

10 ай бұрын

Why? 2 years 4,000 hours gets you a tradesmen. I’m assuming you have to wait for a journeyman to work in the union?

I'm not even a plumber and I can do a better job than that.

@cazu2479

10 ай бұрын

Fr tho

The end of the video where your explaining how you would approach really highlights the fact you know your stuff ...it's like a second language to you...great video Rog

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

I appreciate that! Just trying to fix and make right what this “plumber” clearly did not know how to do.

@Bmorefan

9 ай бұрын

I was confused though i thought he said throw a san Tee in the vent but then was saying 3x2 wye...help me understand please

Really fun thing about PEX is the giant skill gap you can notice in its application... Gotta love those totally unsupported tub and shower pan... Im surprised the loon used as much insulation as he did.

This is exactly why I don't mess with system plumbing. I've changed out faucets, and replaced the wax toilet seal with the waxless Fluidmaster one, but that's where I draw the line. We called a local contracting company, and they did such an incredible job with our water heater, and washer supply lines, I feel confident in them being the only plumbers we need. Not only did they do a really good job explaining every detail of the job, they also brought that part of it up to current code for free. They only charged us for the actual installation, and plumbing for the water heater. Unfortunately the rest of the house is a testament to what I call "the dark side of DIY." The DIY'er in question took shortcuts in almost everything he did. Imagine doing a full addon to your house, not really knowing what you're doing, and refusing to pull permits, and getting inspectors to oversee the work as it's being done.

@escapetherace1943

10 ай бұрын

plumbing is the most braindead easy thing man, just because others shortcut it doesn't mean you have to if you DIY it.

This is A prime example of why homeowners should be able to be at least informed enough to know what decent work looks like…. But that’s my opinion.

Even someone with no plumbing knowledge would recognize something is wrong when they see how sloppy the work is. I saw a fake contractor do something similar. They were even proud enough of their "work" to post it on Instagram!

Ugh I wish I couldn't relate. And they don't realise the overwhelm and mountain of added cost they cause. Not to mention sometimes people tell you they can't fix or work on somebody else's work. So you have to start over. 🙏🙏🙏 So glad you're helping her out.

@edmessina8392

10 ай бұрын

theres really not much to save and reuse there. Best to remove and replace properly.

I REMEMBER YEARS AGO my uncle wanted to do an update to his house. It was over 100 years old. He started doing most of the work himself, ripping out walls, wires, pipes, etc. He hired a General Contractor he went to high school with to act as his advocate and then my uncle would find an independent Plumber to come over and go over the work. My uncle would tell the Plumber what he was looking to do, basically all new updated piping, etc, then tell them before any work starts, he needs to meet with the GC. GC and the Plumber would make an appt together to come by. GC's first question was, "What is your plan?". He said a typical plumber would start naming types and sizes of pipe and how they were going to run it and where. Nope! First plumber had no idea what to say or where to start. FIRED! Second Plumber got an attitude they had to answer to and need "permission" and have oversight from a GC and walked off. Third Plumber got angry when he asked the GC what he thought and the GC said, "No, you are the Plumber. You tell me what you are going to do and I will approve it. That is how this works". That guy also walks off. So... seven Plumbers later, the GC hired his own Master Plumber he has worked with in the past, pulled the permits, and got it down right. It is absolutely amazing, he said, that in the Plumbing Industry how, even experienced Plumbers want to cut corners and use cheap materials for profits. Telling the home owner they are using only quality materials and charging the premium only to use the cheapest stuff they can use. Hence, why they did not want the oversight because they know the GC would have shut them down. The moral of this story is, hire a GC, if you can afford it, and then hire your own Plumber and have the GC oversee the work. No one is protecting your best interests if you just trust a Plumber nowadays unfortunately.

one of the first plumbers on KZread I've watched a long while ago and such a down to earth good guy. Keep it up Roger and we appreciate good people and good plumbers!

I'm not a licensed plumber...nope but I am a licensed mechanic with a bit of a brain, during a house reno (permitted) up here in BC Canada I roughed in and finished plumbed a new bathroom (toilet, shower, sink). I did some basic research on local code and did it, it had to be inspected because permit and the work passed. copper supply and PVC drain with the right fittings and slopes used as well as appropriate venting and pipe securements. It's not that difficult to get things right if you bother to do some basic research. My work would make whoever did this work look foolish.

I think the contractor and the plumber is responsible

As a GC, I'm appalled that the GC on this remod let it go that far. To all aspiring GC's for electrical, plumbing, and HVAC, understand codes ingeneral and certainly those specific to your jurisdiction. Stay on top of the subs. Get out of your pickup and make a punch list every day.

@jamesgarfield9592

10 ай бұрын

^^^ this is the answer!!!

I've seen fake homeowners trash homes as well.

I appreciate the teaching at the end. Good wholesome extra 2 minutes.

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

"There are two ways to pay for something. One is with money, and the other is with quality; and I certainly prefer paying with the former than the latter." -attributed to Benjamin Franklin

That was a complete butcher job. What I liked the most about this video was that Roger not only pointed out what was wrong but gave information on how to correct the problems.

That's methed up😂

The vents close enough! Lol!

"nothing in code says it HAS to be straight..." Love that lmao 🤣

That’s messed up… Some people have no integrity.

@RogerWakefield

7 ай бұрын

Being a tradesman is one of the most prideful professions you can have…this guy clearly had 0 pride for his work…very sad

@x4tfxChallenger

7 ай бұрын

@@RogerWakefield Ain’t that the truth! Thanks for the great content!💪🏽

The supposedly plumber, because that's a complete mess 😅

Found the “plumber” that built every rental apartment I’ve ever lived in.

Thanks for the vid bro👍. Been a plumber here in australia for 45 years. Licenced plumber drainer gasfitter. We have “handymen” here that are licenced in NOTHING doing plumbing electrical building etc and of course it’s illegal they’re doing it but mostly they get away with it. Some home owners don’t know but many go for CHEAP!

No way in hell is that for real!

@patrickancona1193

11 ай бұрын

Seen worse, way worse

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

Unfortunately it is…😔

Your criticism of the showers reminds me of every hotel shower I have ever used.

And I have to say if the contractor didn't notice this bologna, He should have his license pulled also. Definitely is not qualified to be a contractor. Ultimately it's up to the homeowner to check on licensing. Never take anybody's word for anything. WOW

That whole job is a complete shame,looks like he was moonlighting on a cloudy night. Terrible!

I’m no plumber but even I could have done way better than what I saw here. Last time I ended up working on some pipes it was in a family member’s house because I started off with fixing a leak in the shower. It then became a task of replacing the valve that had failed. After starting that project we find ourselves needing to replace rusted pipes. After about six hours and four trips to hardware store we finally fixed the leak in the shower. 😂

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

I get it🤣 the more you dig into the project the more work you find

@madcatneon2604

10 ай бұрын

Same thing happened to me. Tried to fix 1 thing and found more while doing it😂

@rockytom5889

10 ай бұрын

​@@RogerWakefield Went to replace the shower mixer, realized the water pipes were placed DIAGONALLY and most of them were just a rust-rich tunnel in the wall.

As always . You get what you pay for. You want cheap you get cheap.

Sounds like the homeowner should sue everyone involved and let them fight it out in court.

its all on the contractor to make it right. He can pursue the plumber on his own time.

Went to a home last week that had so much wrong. It was only 4-5 years old. Homeowners son overheard the “plumber” telling the builder that he wasn’t a plumber but he worked with one for a few weeks 😅

@theplumbersplunger

11 ай бұрын

1/2” pex ran for the entire home. Accordion drains beneath the sinks, plastic poly compression stops, ran a single 1/2” line to the back to back bathrooms and put tees off that for the two sinks, toilets, and shower/tubs 😅

I'm not a licensed plumber 😂 but there's no excuse for that 😂

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

Literally 0 excuses, are you in a trade?

This is why you always read the agreement from a Tradesman before work is performed, specifically the payment clause. I either expect to pay after work has passed a final inspection and permit is closed, or a clause stating that the company is liable for any and all reasonable repairs and rework related to the scope of work to pass final. I fully expect to pay for any extra parts and labor needed for a job done right, but I'm sure as hell not paying for them to fix what they did wrong.

That plumbing job was a horror show if I've ever seen one. Wow.

I thought the duct tape was a nice touch.

I am a DIY guy that does most of my own plumbing. I always make sure things are clean and straight. Even it things in this house aren't required to be symmetrical by code it should be a clean install and something you are proud to look at.

I’m not even a plumber, but have done construction. This is by far one of the worst things I’ve seen.

It’s the excess pipe and fittings just laying around for me

I love seeing shark bites in Plumbing!!!! They are amazing!! I get to come back later and make money removing them and installing things like a real plumber. A shark bite on a shower head is gonna leak every time. The only place for a shark bite is to connect a CPVC plumbing repair when the customer does not want to wait the 12+ hour cure time

You know its bad when the duct tape and the different types of fittings and primers all go unmentioned lol

Whoever was hired to do the plumbing job is responsible. Not the homeowner.

I'm gonna charge who called me to fix it.... It is up to ever called the "so called plumber" to call for references before highering someone to do work not just go by the price.... The ol ' saying you get what you paid for..

I'm a fake plumber and what I see scares me that someone that has apprentice training, yet can't do a competent job of it. Should go after the contractors bond for failure of service.

23 year plumber here. Been licensed about half that in Kentucky. That's probably the worst residential remodel job I've ever seen. Rip it out and start over from scratch. And I do mean 100% of it.

Well he did a good job on nail plates😂😂

Hello! Roger! We need more education of plumbers. Continuing or at least mandatory schooling of some sort in California.

Whoever hired the "plumber" should pay to fix that mess!

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

I agree!

The funny part is neither the homeowner or the contractor checked to see if the plumber had a license, I give everybody my business card with my journeyman license number right on it, And my ccb number, And my plumbing business contracting number, Heck you might as well leave your door unlocked all night long and pretend there's no such thing as criminals,

That vent pipe not even reaching the ceiling made me so mad.

Why would a Texas homeowner hire Dr Seuss to do their plumbing😮

Always good to watch your videos Roger, retired from the industry now in the UK but still love watching the bodges

I see you know your plumbing inspector.keep up the excellent job you're doing,

i would have made a complaint if i was doing electrical there

My current boss (multi trade contract based company) thinks that after my school (I went to school for my first year since he didn't have any plumbing contracts for me and just to help orientate myself in the field). For a yr 1 course he thought they were going to teach me everything I need to know. He's a sparky and like I said contract based company so no permanent plumbing JM. He's been asking me questions as if I should know the codes and the like. I told him school taught me things yesterday. However I need a JM to teach me and give me guidance. The school only does so much as a first yr with no field work or experience in plumbing. (I've done my own simple enough house stuff just nothing commercial). I am going to the exit door soon cause 1 yr and still the B's no jm to work under other than him which isn't even in my trade to teach me and no plumbing jobs.

We have some problems is an understatement.

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

What did this plumber do that got under your skin the most?

Wow i can’t believe how bad this is.

The devil is in the details. If that "plumber " misrepresented who they were(FRAUD) , then they're liable. If they were knowingly put to task to save money, then liability falls on the responsible person.

Im a first year plumber and I fell over seeing this

Roger and twins are my best plumber's 🥰

Contractor. So sad. Muricaa!!😂😂

And to think there are plumbers that do good work struggling with doubt to start their own company

I've come across scenes like this a time or two. I would have some woman call and say, we need some plumbing help, "my husband worked on it first. "

Been plumbing for 30+ years. I'm an independent plumber in Colo. Unfortunately I see things like this all too often. When the fella showed up with his 86' Honda Accord and Ryobi tools they should have sent him home

I bet you could get a random person to figure out how to plumb better than that guy. Ask them how would they approach the house's needs, tell them what they did wrong with their approach, and they would likely figure out the correct answer. Don't scold them and they'll likely be inspired to become plumbers if they're trapped in dead end retail jobs.

As a plumber of 30 + years I was horrified at what I was being shown , your being to nice . That’s the shoddiest work I’ve ever seen to be honest . That person should be sued and told never to touch any plumbing ever again ! That’s the type of job I would have to rip out and replumb all over again.

@randyearles1634

10 ай бұрын

I agree. its more work to try to fix that mess.

As a DIY'er who did all his own trades in the house we just built, videos like these make me feel really good. Do you think you could go into an in depth look at wet vents and common wet vent scenarios? I feel like the code and most of the information and diagrams aren't entirely clear, or very variable.

The cheap lady that hired them should pay LOL

Sharkbite in the wall?? Ewww, I don't care if it passes code. Get that the heck out of my house! Shark bites on temporary fixes ONLY!

I went to a site like this, told the owner they needed a licensed plumber. Came back a few days later and guys were trying to use a vertical drain line from story above as a vent

Pay cheap, pay twice...As a general contractor in the philly area, I won't lie and say I haven't cowboyed some jobs but, not in a couple decades...I've been pulling permits for every job, Here you need a master plumber, master electrician, certified HVAC, Certified Roofer ALL of them must turn in their up to date Master's license, insurance, Workmen's comp, a copy of the contract, before I can pull a permit...They take the whole thing as a package before they issue any permits...I love having masters do my work, it cost a little more, but I still make money on it...and the work passes inspections EVERY time...

The problem with the shower is that it has a window right there in it😂

@JohnSmith-xu7ev

11 ай бұрын

Same with toilets. I hate knowing that people knowing you are dropping a load

Back when I was an apprentice I can't imagine my boss letting me loose on my own in a house for one thing, but even if he had, it wouldn't have looked like that. If I had to work till 1 in the morning every night I'd try to make that job look like one of the more experienced guys had done it that's what I would have done.

At the end of the day the homeowner is paying a general contractor to do the job. It's up to the contractor to ensure all the people he brings onto the job site are licensed/insured/etc.. The general contractor should have been on site to over see this &hit show and put an end to it as this guy clearly doesn't know his arse from a toilet hole.

The con-tractor. Tired of seeing contractors not keep an eye on their job!

just when i thought it couldnt get worse, WHAT THE HECK IS THAT DRAIN ON THE TUB??!?! A SALE ON 22 DEGREE FITTINGS?

There is a reason why I pay my plumbers a LOT of money. Always look for license, bond and insurance.

I have been a plumber since 1997 and I can attest that any plumber that says he knows all the codes is a liar, but these are some of the basic ones that every third year apprentice should know. Any good plumber will also have a code book handy to check if unsure.

Thanks , Roger !! That was horrendous !! I think the Contractor should be held responsible and be made to pay for repairs. NOT the innocent homeowner. I hope that the homeowner won't be stuck holding the bag.

The end result when your friend says "I know a guy..."

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

“He can give you a good deal”

~~Plumber&Contractor are/should be liable.

This intimidates me , I don't want to be this kind of plumber. I'm 27 and a 2nd year apprentice but have been working in plumbing since 18 years old. Just went union.

I think this was a great, high quality install. 👌

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

🤢🤢

Atleast they nail plated lmfao!!!!

The general contractor is responsible if they hired the guy, licensed plumber if they did. In other words, whoever the next licensed entity up the chain who was responsible for the guy being on the site to start with.

I had a similar situation at my moms, she hired two different handy man. The first one butchered the plumbing i came in tore out and fixed all the bullshit he did. The second handymen did the lav sink they didnt do the greatest but its acceptable i guess. But she had a kohler shower with diverter. Unbelievable how bad the first guy would have fucked it up. Luckily i stop his ass.

Lol the criticism is exactly why he quit being an apprentice lmao

@RogerWakefield

11 ай бұрын

Dish it out but can't take it 💀

I still don't understand why in the IPC it says Showerhead stub outs should be at 72 inches.