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Faith is Not a Reliable Path to Understanding | Mark - Canada | Atheist Experience 21.23

The Atheist Experience 21.23 for June 11, 2017 with Matt Dillahunty and Don Baker.
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  • @geezzerboy
    @geezzerboy4 жыл бұрын

    I went to Catholic High School, taught by Priests. As the years went by the stories got more and more ridiclous. One day I said to a Priest-teacher, "None of this makes sense." Reply; "Of course it doesn't, that's why you need faith to believe it." I became an atheist shortly after.

  • @Mystrohan

    @Mystrohan

    2 жыл бұрын

    That Priest-teacher was more honest than most.

  • @chrisccc22

    @chrisccc22

    2 жыл бұрын

    I too went to a catholic school. I had trouble believing at a very early age. I think I was in third grade when I caught on to the con. It brought unwanted attention to me. Not the kind of attention you want as a young boy in a catholic school. Needless to say I was a raging homophobe for most of my young adult years after that. This channel has changed me in so many ways. I owe them huge.

  • @scotwells7573

    @scotwells7573

    Жыл бұрын

    Good for you

  • @TumbleweedMK4
    @TumbleweedMK45 жыл бұрын

    Damn I just want to tell this guy: YOU turned your own life around. Be proud of that.

  • @smooth_sundaes5172

    @smooth_sundaes5172

    4 жыл бұрын

    You're so right. Many of us go through trials and bad stuff in life but not all of us conclude that getting through it was because of a god. When I look back I realise that despite honestly looking, religion was a crock and that I am where I am with no help from anyone, least of all religion

  • @ReiperX

    @ReiperX

    4 жыл бұрын

    Absolutely. Unfortunately a lot of religions make you think that you shouldn't be proud of something you do. And that is sad.

  • @kathyheitchue6069

    @kathyheitchue6069

    4 жыл бұрын

    Correct YOU , not Jesus

  • @guytheincognito4186

    @guytheincognito4186

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@ReiperX Indeed, they perverted the meaning of humility to convince people of the falsehood that they're damaged and or worthless in some way.(

  • @oldmech619

    @oldmech619

    4 жыл бұрын

    Well, I think at this point in his life, if it works for him, let him go. It is not my stuff.

  • @CausalityLoop
    @CausalityLoop4 жыл бұрын

    "I'm not the judge" is the biggest intellectual coward move I've ever seen. It's the last line of defense for a theist when confronted with something they *know* is blatantly immoral, but they have literally nothing else to say.

  • @AquaPeet

    @AquaPeet

    3 жыл бұрын

    He would vote against gay marriage and against abortion if he had the chance to. He IS judging but he uses apologetic tactics to slither away from being accounted for it.

  • @robertkamari7773

    @robertkamari7773

    3 жыл бұрын

    instaBlaster...

  • @tiatrips

    @tiatrips

    2 жыл бұрын

    That or they can't be held accountable by anyone else because god will judge them later.

  • @MightyJabroni

    @MightyJabroni

    Жыл бұрын

    Yip, it is the metaphysical equivalent of: "I am just followering orders."

  • @canbest7668

    @canbest7668

    Жыл бұрын

    Well, we certainly know what name Matt won’t use if he ever has a daughter

  • @katharinelong5472
    @katharinelong54724 жыл бұрын

    It’s so cute when these callers claim to have done “research”

  • @GlossRabban

    @GlossRabban

    3 жыл бұрын

    The best research is done through memes. I saw a meme where I was shown that a square have four 90 degrees Angles. And 4 times 90 is 360. Just like a circle. That proves that a square is a circle, and a circle is a square. 🤪

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    3 жыл бұрын

    i doubt if Matt did any research

  • @soundsandmusic.3689

    @soundsandmusic.3689

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 Then you know nothing about Matt.

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@soundsandmusic.3689 @ray salmon Then you know nothing about Matt. matt anf Aron Ra are clones of the same dogma they don't know who Jesus really is

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    3 жыл бұрын

    @Victor Smit God!

  • @jameswest8280
    @jameswest82805 жыл бұрын

    Flying in a plane does not require faith. Now riding on Amtrak is a different story.

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    5 жыл бұрын

    Neither does this show demonstrate logic

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    5 жыл бұрын

    @Jon Booker The bus is the worst quality ride A very demeaning experience..

  • @jameswest8280

    @jameswest8280

    5 жыл бұрын

    Greyhound tends to draw people from the dregs of society.

  • @LiberatedMind1

    @LiberatedMind1

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 Yes it does, its obviously just over your head.

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@LiberatedMind1 I don't fly that much..

  • @Fraterchaoraterchaos
    @Fraterchaoraterchaos4 жыл бұрын

    all you have to do is listen to Mark for five seconds and you can hear that he simply exchanged one addiction for another. His "need" to justify his God, is just as powerful as the "need" for the bottle he "conquered"

  • @HalcyonSyzygy
    @HalcyonSyzygy5 жыл бұрын

    Matt: How can i be separated from god if god is everywhere? Caller: *crickets chirping*

  • @Vyral714

    @Vyral714

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Zoroaster Not having an answer to something doesn't suddenly make some other supernatural/religious "answer" any more valid. You're essentially saying "Well if you don't have an answer, then my religious answer is fine" That is, by very definition, fallacious. That is a perfect example of an argument from ignorance. "I can't think of another answer, so this answer over here is now suddenly true or valid" That's just not the case. Think of what you believe and be honest with yourself about why you believe it. Do you believe it because it's actually supported by any real tangible evidence, or is it because you want it to be true and because the thought of what it might mean if it's not true makes you uncomfortable. Just think about it, that's all I ask

  • @Vyral714

    @Vyral714

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Zoroaster You can't? You can't honestly ask yourself why you believe what you believe? And what's not to follow? It's logic. It's ironic that you put "logic" in parentheses as if it's somehow faulty when it's literally just basic logic. But I definitely believe you can't follow it, regardless. Believe what makes you feel better I guess. I'd just rather actually care if my beliefs are true or not, rather than just believe whatever's comforting. To each his own though

  • @Vyral714

    @Vyral714

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Zoroaster lol yeah because it was totally a problem with my English. Also ironic that you can't spell the word interpreter* properly as you attempt to tell someone else there's a problem with THEIR English. Wow.. Good try though Might want to call your "interpretter" next time 😉

  • @Vyral714

    @Vyral714

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Zoroaster You keep making these assertions but that's all they are. Just claims. "No you're wrong" That seems to be your entire position. What is the flaw in my thinking or reason or logic? Or do you just make baseless assertions and not back them up like most theists? Seems so

  • @Vyral714

    @Vyral714

    4 жыл бұрын

    @Zoroaster I made my point in my first comment which you even responded to yet haven't been able to provide any sort of counter to it at all and instead just keep pretending I didn't make it. You keep claiming that there is a flaw in my logic. And when asked what that flaw might be, you respond with "It doesn't matter"🙄 in a weak attempt to avoid the question. And an obvious attempt at that. Genius You were asked a direct question to back up your own claim and you dodged the question. Predictably. I can't tell you just how transparent you are. You clearly don't know what you're talking about and if you could back anything you're saying you would have done so rather than make empty assertions over and over. Lol I'm done, bud 😉

  • @AnnaP-uh3mc
    @AnnaP-uh3mc4 жыл бұрын

    This guy is so obviously a lovely thoughtful guy and I’m sad that he doean’t realise that he was a good person who had a bad start and that he deserves the credit for his recovery and the way he’s turned his life around.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant25 жыл бұрын

    Is God good ? I don't know, but given the lack of evidence, he's probably gone for good. He used to be up a mountain, where people could chat to him, then moved up into the clouds. The latest reports indicate that he's outside space and time. We can't go there, so that's probably a good place to hide.

  • @kathyheitchue6069

    @kathyheitchue6069

    4 жыл бұрын

    That is a great comment😊✌

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    4 жыл бұрын

    tedgrant2. . 1 year ago. . Is God good ? I don't know, but given the lack of evidence, he's probably gone for good. He used to be up a mountain, where people could chat to him, then moved up into the clouds. The latest reports indicate that he's outside space and time. We can't go there, so that's probably a good place to hide.. 1 reply. 68 likes. I would consider Jesus giving sight to man born blind a good thing

  • @crocopix

    @crocopix

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 I consider it a boring story.

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@crocopix You find giving sight to a man born blind boring?

  • @crocopix

    @crocopix

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 yes, there are many other gods did much cooler staff.

  • @ZeusHeliosMegistos
    @ZeusHeliosMegistos4 жыл бұрын

    I first watched Atheist experience back when I was a Christian back in 2012. At first, I hated these guys because, again, I was a Christian. But because of my curiosity, I watched them. The more I watched them, the more I began to question my Christian faith. Thanks to this show, I eventually became enlightened and left Christianity on October 2013. So I'm thankful for this show.

  • @elanibo666

    @elanibo666

    3 жыл бұрын

    I am happy for you!!! I was raised as roman catholic I became atheist after reading the bible carefully... Taking my religion seriously helped me to understand that I had no good reasons to believe in...

  • @sassyinscrubs5206
    @sassyinscrubs52065 жыл бұрын

    Is anyone else amazed that criminals find God in prison so often and yet the recidivism rate is so damn High?

  • @spocksvulcanbrain

    @spocksvulcanbrain

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's because parole boards are more lenient on those of faith than those who aren't. So they play the game.

  • @jonwood6101

    @jonwood6101

    3 жыл бұрын

    Most, statistically enter prison as Christians. Worldwide.

  • @kenchristiansen2080
    @kenchristiansen20805 жыл бұрын

    I love how people dismiss the old testament. Jesus said Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. So jesus approved of slavery. That is the new testament. Ephesians I think. Been a while since I read that evil book.

  • @derekmizer6293

    @derekmizer6293

    4 жыл бұрын

    Theists ignore contradictions in their holy book and belief

  • @llkiii3139

    @llkiii3139

    4 жыл бұрын

    Jesus doesn't outright say that slaves are to obey their masters. Those verses actually occur in 1 Peter, 1 Timothy, Titus, Colossians, etc. By the way, those verses were often quoted by Southern plantation owners here in America in defense of slavery. Jesus did, however, supposedly say in Luke that slaves who know their master's will yet disobey anyway are to receive a severe beating while those slaves who don't know their master's will yet who disobey are to receive a light beating. Bottom line is that Jesus never specifically spoke out against slavery and even seemed to be okay with it given the way he talked avout slavery in his parables without any hint of condemnation of this abysmal practice. Couldn't be bothered to specifically decry such a "trifling matter" as slavery I guess. Which to me, seems like a massive oversight from the dude who is supposed to be such an amazing paragon of virtue and moral insight.

  • @psychee1
    @psychee15 жыл бұрын

    What really bothers me about callers like this one is that he is Obviously a better person than the book he holds in such high regards.

  • @allisonceranti5317
    @allisonceranti53172 жыл бұрын

    As a recovering alcoholic in aa, I'd love to tell others that I have many yrs clean. I did it as an athiest and without god.

  • @blacklightning298
    @blacklightning2985 жыл бұрын

    If i do bad things to people i dint ask god for forgiveness i ask the person i did it to...

  • @jenniferbrewer5370
    @jenniferbrewer53705 жыл бұрын

    Amazing how theists insist on referring to trust as "faith."

  • @spocksvulcanbrain

    @spocksvulcanbrain

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's the same dishonest equivalency they use with "theory" when talking about evolution. Theory as an hypothesis vs theory as a set of rules based on observed evidence.

  • @starfishsystems

    @starfishsystems

    Жыл бұрын

    @@spocksvulcanbrain Properly, it's a scientific LAW which is a "set of rules." Laws are useful, but they have to be taken at face value, so their usefulness is limited. A THEORY is distinguished as being a plausible account of mechanism. It answers the "how" questions that arise from examining an observed law, or perhaps it shows how several laws are interrelated. For example, Snell's Law describes the observed FACT of refraction as a function of incident angle between the direction of light and a surface separating two media of given densities. The Theory of Special Relativity describes HOW refraction takes place as a result of specific electromagnetic properties of light.

  • @henrikrolfsen584
    @henrikrolfsen584 Жыл бұрын

    Religion is a powerful drug. The "Shepherds" who invented organized religion, may have been on to something. Many may disagree, but Big Religion has been a service industry for a very long time, and it's "Shepherds" make a good and soft living at keeping the "Sheeple" hopeful, well herded, and in line!

  • @LittleDays
    @LittleDays2 жыл бұрын

    It’s so sad to see people fighting so hard to not give themselves the credit…seems like they’ve lost all self confidence

  • @filipedias7284
    @filipedias72844 жыл бұрын

    I've been debating and studying religious rhetorics for years and here are their top 20 most used arguments for faith: 20 - E 19 - Q 18 - U 17 - I 16 - V 15 - O 14 - C 13 - A 12 - T 11 - I 10 - O 9 - N 8 - 7 - F 6 - A 5 - L 4 - L 3 - A 2 - C 1 - Y

  • @JohnVC
    @JohnVC3 жыл бұрын

    "The richest most powerful person that ever existed, say...Hugh Hefner..." He's comparing an eternity in heaven to going to a Hugh Hefner party. Sounds reasonable. The irony is that a Hugh Hefner party is about as far away as you can get from Biblical teachings, but that's his best case.

  • @kevinhayes8188
    @kevinhayes81885 жыл бұрын

    Faith is a path to nowhere.

  • @onbored9627
    @onbored96275 жыл бұрын

    23:45 Don is hilarious. "The whole things lost on me!"

  • @greenjelly01
    @greenjelly012 жыл бұрын

    Theist: "Who created the universe?" Atheist: "I don't know who or what created the universe!" Theist: "I'm not comfortable saying I don't know. I need god." Atheist: "Am I going to hell?" Theist: "I don't know." Now you tell me who is being honest...

  • @nathanroe3670

    @nathanroe3670

    2 жыл бұрын

    This entire thing is a lie, and that makes you a liar, go fuck yourself.

  • @charlieclark2609
    @charlieclark26095 жыл бұрын

    Boy he's got some nice tap dancing shoes on.

  • @Comrade_Tokoloshe
    @Comrade_Tokoloshe3 жыл бұрын

    When you hear the piolet scream "ALLAH-HU AKBAAR!" just before the plane lurches you lose your faith in the good-will of the piolet.

  • @Make_Boxing_Great_Again
    @Make_Boxing_Great_Again5 жыл бұрын

    Whenever the guy in the yellow top laughs you can tell that he is thinking ‘what a load of BS!’. Lol, this makes me laugh also.

  • @Amalekites

    @Amalekites

    4 жыл бұрын

    His name is Don Baker.

  • @zubileegluckgluck

    @zubileegluckgluck

    4 жыл бұрын

    Don Baker is not afraid to break into hysterical laughter when he hears nonsense, and he does it often. It's one of my favorite things on the show.

  • @kathyheitchue6069

    @kathyheitchue6069

    4 жыл бұрын

    A shit load of very fetile Bullshit!

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 Жыл бұрын

    Faith is being convinced that your Church doesn't need a lightning conductor.

  • @RuroKen0823
    @RuroKen08235 жыл бұрын

    Faith is the holographic head telling you not to pay attention to the man behind curtain.

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    5 жыл бұрын

    No history is not interested in holographics

  • @secularargument9012

    @secularargument9012

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 right over your head..

  • @Longtack55
    @Longtack555 жыл бұрын

    "My personal life experience" says the 23 year old when he talks down to the 50 year old. Faith is not a "reason" for anything as it does not require reason. The Good Shepherds Matt and Don are trying hard to keep this guy on the straight and narrow (out of jail) as he believes that faith is the only thing keeping him out. Being "good" doesn't require a god or faith.

  • @Vyral714
    @Vyral7144 жыл бұрын

    It sounds like many of his positive views on life and other people are coming from a good place but based on terrible reasons and burdened with unnecessary negative baggage His religion is preventing him from thinking or responding honestly to Matt or Don's questions once he realizes that answering will bring to light the flaws in his thinking and reasoning. Mark is such a sadly perfect example of how an otherwise decent person can have their thinking poisoned and twisted by religion 🙁

  • @blacklightning298
    @blacklightning2985 жыл бұрын

    Congratulations on making a life changing event.. Well done wish you all the best.. I hope you life is much more better now

  • @peterriverajr6899

    @peterriverajr6899

    5 жыл бұрын

    Thats one thing i find horrible about people who say that put there bad situation in gods hands. They never give themselves credit for the incredible progress they make

  • @heathermimiwahlquist5587
    @heathermimiwahlquist55874 жыл бұрын

    I’m less “faithful” in the outcome of a flight I fly in a beat up plane by a man in bermuda shorts drinking whiskey in St. Croix (true story) than a pilot leaving LAX on an AA 747 to NY.

  • @doctorshell7118
    @doctorshell71182 жыл бұрын

    I’m skeptical that any professional said that a teenager or young adult had a low probability of recovery. The Hugh Hefner reference surprised me.excellent call.

  • @geraldammons5520
    @geraldammons5520 Жыл бұрын

    If every other flight crashed, I would not EVER get on a plane. This has NOTHING to do with "faith".

  • @speedbird2166
    @speedbird21664 жыл бұрын

    Love Don, he's got a really funny sense of humour

  • @nosfrattirek5690
    @nosfrattirek56905 жыл бұрын

    8:30 "I could really be in communion with the creator of the Universe" No you couldn't, but I find that line of thinking absolutely terrifying. Especially coming from some credulous cretin who claims to be an ex-con.

  • @kathyheitchue6069

    @kathyheitchue6069

    4 жыл бұрын

    X- Cons :alot of times find God whilst in the Joint. 😆

  • @krisaaron5771

    @krisaaron5771

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@kathyheitchue6069 And as soon as they're paroled God disappears, never to be heard from again (or not until the con returns for another stint in the joint).

  • @Boris99999
    @Boris999995 жыл бұрын

    The only thing I could tell this guy - if faith in god is the only thing that holds you from becoming a criminal - hold on to it by all means! For normal people faith is just a way to convince oneself to do things one would never do otherwise that’s it!

  • @TheN00bmonster

    @TheN00bmonster

    4 жыл бұрын

    Agreed. There are secular ways to get out of addiction or criminal behavior, but if this is the only way he finds works for him, I'd rather him be safe and healthy. He's so close to getting that he is actually the one who did the hard work but he wants to attribute it to something he made up.

  • @davedumas0
    @davedumas05 жыл бұрын

    the magic feather was great

  • @carbilicon
    @carbilicon2 жыл бұрын

    It's the young people who call in that make my heart hurt. Indoctrination of young people. It's not a pretty reflection in the mirror.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant24 жыл бұрын

    After extensive research over many years, I have come to a conclusion. It is possible to walk on water, provided you have enough faith. Try it.

  • @jaymeanderson5121

    @jaymeanderson5121

    4 жыл бұрын

    I live in North Dakota, I walk on water all the time!😄

  • @tedgrant2

    @tedgrant2

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jaymeanderson5121 So that's how he did it !

  • @mr.d.8121
    @mr.d.81214 жыл бұрын

    'Dumbo's feather '.....excellent. I'll use that.

  • @ronthered138
    @ronthered1387 ай бұрын

    "Researched the Dead Sea Scrolls". Man, that is determination, to learn to read and write ancient Hebrew just to make a point! My hat is off to this dodo.

  • @stryker1195
    @stryker11952 жыл бұрын

    Among the many arbitrary expressions used by atheists to describe faith, the ones heard most often are: “faith is the willful suspension of critical thinking… faith is the opposite of reason… faith is blind… faith is believing in things without evidence… faith is not a path to true knowledge… faith is the weakest argument for believing in God.” Many dictionaries define faith as: “a strong belief in god[s] or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.” Faith cannot be the willful suspension of critical thinking because critical thinking would have to be ever-present to maintain willful suspension. Faith is not the opposite of reason. The opposite of faith is mistrust (a lack of trust). The opposite of reason is irrationality. Reason and faith run parallel to each other. Faith and reason have a symbiotic relationship with each other and should not be separated. Faith does embrace the rational and is never to be understood as irrational. Biblical faith is partly dependent on the rationality of our minds. The faith described in the bible is not blind faith. There is a distinction between credulity - being too ready to believe anything - and faith. If faith were based on credulity it would indeed be blind, irrational, and gratuitous. But the intrinsic logic that governs our mind will reject that which is truly irrational or illogical. This is not to say the mind is incapable of irrationality. Emotion and imagination can momentarily disrupt rational thinking. For example: If I’m having heart surgery I am by reason convinced by good evidence that anesthetics will not harm me and that properly trained surgeons will not start operating on me until I am fully unconscious. But the moment they have me down on the table and clap the mask over my face, a panic might begin to set in. I start thinking I might choke. I’m afraid they might start cutting on me before I am completely under. I might die. In other words, I momentarily lose my faith in anesthetics. But, it isn’t reason that takes my faith in anesthetics away because my faith is based on reason. It is my imagination and emotions causing me to lose my faith. The battle is faith and reason - versus - emotion and imagination. One unchanging definition of faith is found in Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.” Now this verse doesn’t say what atheists THINK it says. Some think this biblical definition of faith demonstrates Christians are opposed to objective empirical evidence, some think Christians believe in things without evidence, and that “things not seen” are by nature not evidence. So, what are the “things not seen” and the “things hoped for”? Here’s a practical example to demonstrate the mechanics of faith: In the past, I have qualified to receive a tax return from the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in the form of a check. I have physical EVIDENCE that this is true. Therefore, I have a certain amount of SUBTANCE [experience] with the IRS. The IRS has PROMISED me this year that I qualify for another tax return in the form of a check. I have not seen the tax return yet [things not seen] but based on past experience and previous promises, I have TRUST [faith] that the check will arrive in the FUTURE (things hoped for). When my check finally arrives, it will mean their promise has been fulfilled. Here, “faith” was trust in the IRS - trust that the IRS would faithfully fulfill their promises in the future. It’s this kind of trust that leads me to obediently follow the tax laws by filing an earnings statement each year to see if I qualify for a return. In Christian terms “things hoped for” and “things not seen” are similar to faith and reason because they run parallel to each other. The words “not seen” is NOT meant to convey a “lack of evidence,” but to stress the idea of future fulfillment of God’s promises to believers. Believers act on God’s promises even though they may “not see” (in the moment) any indication of those promises coming to fruition. It’s about TRUST. It’s the kind of trust that leads to taking action now. The “things hoped for” just means things promised cannot yet be seen because those events are still in the future.

  • @AzathothTheTrueGod

    @AzathothTheTrueGod

    Жыл бұрын

    Why can’t anyone DEMONSTRATE this god? What is this god? Who is this god? Where did this god come from? How do you know which god is real? How does god “create”? Where is this god now? Why does it really solely on word of mouth? Why does this god allow/endorse evil? Why does god let people lie? Why doesn’t god show himself? Why does it rely on an ancient tome? Who are the “real” god believers? How do we know whose version is real? Why is it he can’t do anything? These are the MOST BASIC questions and none of them can be demonstrated practically by anyone?

  • @JohnVC
    @JohnVC3 жыл бұрын

    Confirmation bias. If I eat a salad and it makes me stop drinking, feel healthy, be a better person, and restores my faith in humanity then the salad must be God.

  • @Lrr_Of_Omikron
    @Lrr_Of_Omikron Жыл бұрын

    It's really messed up that he's giving credit to God for his recovery.

  • @blacklightning298
    @blacklightning2985 жыл бұрын

    He said during my time trying different thinga to help me change. It was god that help but actually he said it him self. During my time off.. So he had already made a mental decision to try an Change. Befor he found god.. So he had conscious decision..

  • @indigocrow4401
    @indigocrow44015 жыл бұрын

    As a recovering Mormon it's difficult to deny the positive effect that the church and faith in a loving Heavenly Father had on my life. Similar to Mark from Canada I had desperate times when I relied on God to give me the strength I needed when I had lost faith in myself. So now that I have broken free intellectually from what I consider a cult, rather than poo pooing my previous belief in God, I look at my new found freedom from religion and see it more as a graduation than an escape. I say this because I think it may be asking too much of a person (like Mark from Canada) to deny their past spiritual experiences because we have such a convincing argument against the existence of a God. Sometimes atheists come off as that kid who learns Santa isn't real and then goes around telling all the kids who still believe that they are idiots because they still think a fat man with a bag full of toys comes down their chimney every year.

  • @TheCountBlackula1978
    @TheCountBlackula1978 Жыл бұрын

    I notice that alot of Canadian callers call to debate in a legitimate way. In the U.S. they usually lead with smugness and gotcha questions along with name calling. I just find that interesting.

  • @AntitheistHuman

    @AntitheistHuman

    Жыл бұрын

    Not always for either case, however, we are fiving too much ground to religious, they are literally proven wrong just by fact, history, reason and logic, every god of religions are man made

  • @Nocturnalux

    @Nocturnalux

    9 ай бұрын

    Some of the worst callers have been Canadian, including Canadian Catholic.

  • @TH3-MONK

    @TH3-MONK

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@NocturnaluxIndeed, but I think the obnoxious Canadian callers are fewer in number.

  • @williammbuttlicker1146
    @williammbuttlicker11463 жыл бұрын

    In all honesty, this guy has a really inspiring story of turning his life around, he's just not giving credit to the right guy. He did it, not God.

  • @nickydaviesnsdpharms3084
    @nickydaviesnsdpharms30844 жыл бұрын

    lmao at 18.03 you can hear him pause while he's scraping his brain back up together off of the floor!

  • @larryfulkerson4505
    @larryfulkerson45054 жыл бұрын

    Jesus was entertaining a crowd in the town square answering questions and so on when some religious leaders brought before him a woman who was allegedly caught in the act of adultery and asked Jesus if they should stone her like the scriptures call for. If he says yeah, go ahead and stone her he would be ignoring his message of forgiveness and love and if he says don't stone her he would be negating the law of Moses. So what should he say? He squatted down and started writing in the dirt with his finger and after a short minute he stood up and said: "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." And then he squatted down and continued writing in the dirt. The people in the crowd were struck in their conscience that they weren't without sin and one by one they peeled off and walked away. All of a sudden a rock sailed out of the smaller crowd that was left and it struck the adulterous young woman in the forehead and knocked her down. A nasty bruise was forming and her forehead was bleeding. Jesus stood up and said" "Sometimes you really tick me off Mom."

  • @ryannickens7848
    @ryannickens78483 жыл бұрын

    Keep up the good work, guys.

  • @deliriousmysterium8137
    @deliriousmysterium81374 жыл бұрын

    Faith is the decided maintenance of a percieved belief of the nature of reality and the interactions thereof. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • @ghytd766
    @ghytd7664 жыл бұрын

    I think the caller was sincere, and appears to be a decent human being. (I don't appreciate or agree with the bashing here in the comments, very much non productive.) And very wrong and misguided about a lot of stuff. But sincere.

  • @AnnaP-uh3mc

    @AnnaP-uh3mc

    4 жыл бұрын

    I kmow! I wanted to give him a cuddle and tell him that he was always a good person and congratulate him on turning his life around.

  • @svenred6eard757
    @svenred6eard7574 жыл бұрын

    Interesting call

  • @emilengen7825
    @emilengen78255 жыл бұрын

    So basically what he is saying is that he knows God exist because he has faith? Lmao

  • @davidfox115

    @davidfox115

    5 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant Matt. Although you do have a literate & intelligent respondent. It helps.

  • @emilengen7825

    @emilengen7825

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@davidfox115 what?

  • @derekmizer6293

    @derekmizer6293

    4 жыл бұрын

    Faith is the theists evidence because their book says faith is a virtue.

  • @johnbritain1790

    @johnbritain1790

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@davidfox115 Is Mark's view of the universe really what counts for intelligence these days? How far we have come: straight downwards.

  • @KrustyKlown
    @KrustyKlown5 жыл бұрын

    Addiction to religion cures addition to substances....

  • @ralfhaggstrom9862
    @ralfhaggstrom98624 жыл бұрын

    When making pranks or candid camera, if/when you find religious or otherwise mentally impaied people, you can "drive" the most UNBELIEVABLE pranks, and succeed. Over 6 decades of experience ! ...................

  • @alunpassey4778
    @alunpassey47783 жыл бұрын

    How do you know it’s a placebo effect? Randomised control trials... also known as empirical evidence

  • @badatheist9948
    @badatheist99484 жыл бұрын

    i had a couple of born again christians talked to down at the beach, both said they were ex drug users and dealers. i told them that I can not hang out with them, since they might revert and try to mug me. They were not pleased.

  • @Gwaithmir
    @Gwaithmir4 жыл бұрын

    I don't know about this caller's mentality, but I experienced an overwhelming sense of emancipation when I shed the last remnants of my Christianity and realized I was an atheist.

  • @kamillaiqbal6521
    @kamillaiqbal65214 жыл бұрын

    Matt , pink is flattering on you

  • @wolf1066
    @wolf10664 жыл бұрын

    Not only Talk Origins. Mark should also watch Aron Ra's excellent series on how the flood is debunked by numerous measures.

  • @mrtadreamer

    @mrtadreamer

    4 жыл бұрын

    It's impossible to debunk the flood.

  • @wolf1066

    @wolf1066

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@mrtadreamer I'm already watching Jimmy Carr, I don't need your sad attempt at humour.

  • @michaelogrady3323
    @michaelogrady33232 жыл бұрын

    Mark, I'm an Atheist, and an alcoholic. I go to A.A. I don't believe in a god or gods. It makes me laugh that if I fuck up its my fault, but if I stay sober a god gets the credit. I stay sober because I want to. No magical power is doing it for me.

  • @aytekinkaraca9420
    @aytekinkaraca94203 жыл бұрын

    ''Why god didn't put us directly to where we will go after this life if he knows everything already?'' This question was asked to zakir naik, and he answered ''But then you would complain because you would have right to say 'But I didn't have the test!'. To prevent this Allah doesn't put you to hell or heaven directly.'' Does any atheist have an answer for that? Thanks.

  • @nickydaviesnsdpharms3084
    @nickydaviesnsdpharms30844 жыл бұрын

    7. good episode on good points very useful thanks guys 13.40 is where he talks about slavery etc very end 2 mins are good comments (about jesus and the loop hole)

  • @markshipley6119
    @markshipley61194 жыл бұрын

    I disagree that there is nothing we can be absolutely certain about. for example: given what we know about the Empire State Building and the physiology of an 8 pound newborn, we can be absolutely certain that newborn cannot lift the Empire State Building.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant25 жыл бұрын

    It's difficult to believe in something about which we know nothing. It's easier to believe in the Loch Ness monster than God. At least there is a loch and we have pictures of the monster and eye witness testimony. We have nothing about God except wishful thinking and ancient stories.

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    5 жыл бұрын

    First the bible is a historical account of how Israel came into existence

  • @tedgrant2

    @tedgrant2

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 It's a fictional account composed for political purposes. "This land was given to us by the God of Israel"

  • @raysalmon6566

    @raysalmon6566

    5 жыл бұрын

    @@tedgrant2 That's just your opinion The reason there is so much archaeology in Jerusalem today is the Jews want to prove this was their land it also proves the bible is true. What you have is a misguided atheist myth

  • @j.r.arnolli7494

    @j.r.arnolli7494

    5 жыл бұрын

    ray salmon in Jerusalem there is nothing being found that proofs that jc ever lived

  • @sladey21

    @sladey21

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@raysalmon6566 what did they find that proved the bible is true?

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant24 жыл бұрын

    I have faith that the Almighty will fix my gaming pc today, before 6pm.

  • @BornOnThursday
    @BornOnThursday3 жыл бұрын

    21:00 More like, "Why does a secular scientist have a more credible degree than a religious charlatan?" The scientific method is how we advance and build upon facts and reach higher levels of understanding, and apologia is how you take what is already believed and justify your beliefs, especially when it goes against subjects that have either been empirically evidenced or exist only as a null hypothesis and needs further study (if anyone even wants to).

  • @markheron2608
    @markheron26082 жыл бұрын

    Matt: How does God wash your guilt and shame away? Mark: That's the whole Christian premise, that by what Christ did on the cross I'm no longer- Matt: I'm familiar with the story, I'm asking you how do you know that's the case? Is it just because you've convinced yourself you don't need to feel guilty? Mark: Umm...That's the other thing, like, through my whole experience of trying all kinds of different secular therapy processes while I was in jail. Self talk and all kinds of other stuff. None of it worked, but when I started reading the Bible and praying, I felt like the weight of the world lifted off of my shoulders. I didn't feel this burden of shame and guilt anymore for these things that I'd done to end up where I was. Matt: Maybe that's a bad thing... None of those secular options worked on Mark because they are methods that are demonstrably within reality and require actual exhaustive effort and comprehension. Which means that if they couldn't work for him but the comfortable delusion of religion did, then he is a repugnant weakling who shirked his responsibility to do what is proper to absolve yourself of guilt and shame. His concern was "how do I live with myself?", and instead of growing the fuck up and doing the actual dignified work to become a mentally and emotionally strong adult who only holds himself accountable, he ran to the hug box that is the God belief. He can't bring himself to pay the difficult penance that should wash away his guilt because that is too hard for him to do, so instead he took the easy option of deluding himself into believing someone else paid for his transgressions already. Once again, he did it because he's an immoral weakling who couldn't bring himself to actually face the reality and consequences of his actions. He hasn't earned the ease of mind, he got it by lying to himself and he should still feel guilty and ashamed for being such a pathetic and selfish coward. He doesn't care about god or what's right and wrong, he only cared about what he desperately needed to sleep at night. Fuck Mark.

  • @nuoiptertermer4484
    @nuoiptertermer44845 жыл бұрын

    There was a lot of nonsense in this call.

  • @ericdentry9236
    @ericdentry92362 жыл бұрын

    The Bible filter is strong with him

  • @williamhackett6980
    @williamhackett69805 жыл бұрын

    I used to be fucked up on drugs and crime; now I'm fucked up on the Bible and Jesus.

  • @sparki9085
    @sparki9085 Жыл бұрын

    "i dont know if god acted on me, but he totally did"

  • @adriannanailo3549
    @adriannanailo35494 жыл бұрын

    How's it different from the Mormon Lucky Underwear? I was shocked when I learned that that was a real thing that the LDS Church sells. lol

  • @halonone
    @halonone4 жыл бұрын

    Lost is at caller's line about Hugh Hefner being a "richest, most powerful person."

  • @AntitheistHuman
    @AntitheistHuman Жыл бұрын

    I confronted my mother on her religious beliefs and contradictions of it, knowing that people kill in the name of god, parents kill their children when "god" asks them to, and it's all a human sacrifice cult, then I asked her if she would kill me if god demanded her to do it? It took her almost 3 hours long to answer the question with a very disinterested "no" (in very low voice), religion makes me lose hope in humans, how is it possible religious claim to have the high ground in morality?

  • @chudleyflusher7132
    @chudleyflusher71322 жыл бұрын

    “CONfidence”.

  • @anapeiroten4182
    @anapeiroten41822 жыл бұрын

    While youre researching the old hebrew/Arameic then did you notice the word thats been translated as "virgin" is the same word for "unmarried" ?Kind of means the whole basis for christianity can be dismissed .

  • @youx457
    @youx4574 жыл бұрын

    This Is Why I Love Matt He Did Nit Tear The Brother Down And Mark Didn't Take Matt As A Devil ... I Love Interactions Like This ... Much Respect To Matt & Mark So Glad Mark Overcame His Addiction ... Best To Everyone .😍💕💕💕

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant24 жыл бұрын

    In John 20:25 Thomas did not believe until he had examined the risen Jesus. I am exactly the same.

  • @TrashBunBun

    @TrashBunBun

    4 жыл бұрын

    No, you evidently are not.

  • @tedgrant2

    @tedgrant2

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@TrashBunBun I am. I want the same evidence as Thomas.

  • @diogoappraisal
    @diogoappraisal5 жыл бұрын

    Right but I’m gonna try and make up whatever bullshit i can come up with

  • @rbwinn3
    @rbwinn311 ай бұрын

    Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

  • @garybaltiejus7248
    @garybaltiejus72482 жыл бұрын

    All faith gets you is a start in the intergalactic game of peek a boo

  • @erics.4113
    @erics.41133 жыл бұрын

    AA and recovery right here. Tells addicts they can't do it, but god can. Meanwhile, they do it. (Those that are successful). I understand the power of the vicarious redemption, but as Matt pointed out, you SHOULD care if it's true, not just that it can work if you surrender to the idea.

  • @rapidriver7504
    @rapidriver75045 жыл бұрын

    I rely more on my faith then I do on people. my faith has never disappointed me, people have.

  • @ronaldjones8414
    @ronaldjones84142 жыл бұрын

    Seems like 90% of the callers are using this show as a contest of wit's.always challenging the flawless mind set of a true warrior known as Matt.

  • @jasongledhill6596
    @jasongledhill65962 жыл бұрын

    Well done matt

  • @nuoiptertermer4484
    @nuoiptertermer44845 жыл бұрын

    The mid-Atlantic Ridge is the mountain range along the boundary of the tectonic plates of the continents at the bottom of the Atlantic in the middle. The middle of the ridge is where the boundary is and where the plates diverge. This isn’t evidence for any flood, let alone a global one.

  • @lynncarter4964
    @lynncarter49642 жыл бұрын

    Prayer is an affirmation. That's all it is.

  • @jasongledhill6596
    @jasongledhill65962 жыл бұрын

    You got him on Noah's flood where did all the water go?

  • @thickerconstrictor9037
    @thickerconstrictor90375 жыл бұрын

    I would be interested how people reacted if we were in fact able to prove that there is no God. If something happens or something came to light without a shadow of a doubt for a fact that there was no God and it wasn't even hard to say more, how many people we just completely humble and do horrible things or revert back to old habits

  • @dionettaeon

    @dionettaeon

    5 жыл бұрын

    It would probably be like that Simpsons episode where Homer accidently proved there's no god and Ned just burned the paper to try and prevent it from getting out. A lot of people would probably be even more desperate and aggressive to hold onto their delusion than they are now.

  • @ricardovonkrypton8908

    @ricardovonkrypton8908

    5 жыл бұрын

    We can demonstrate that the Earth is spherical. But some people still think it's flat!

  • @erikgalindo710
    @erikgalindo7103 жыл бұрын

    You have to be more prepared when you call in to speak with Matt.

  • @suqmadiq68
    @suqmadiq682 жыл бұрын

    If (insert imaginary scenario), then (insert desired imaginary result).

  • @danshredward666
    @danshredward6663 жыл бұрын

    This dude is from winnepeg, for sure

  • @bobbyashrimp
    @bobbyashrimp4 жыл бұрын

    This guy is having brainwashing withdrawals. Keep rockin on Matt.

  • @robertt9342
    @robertt93422 жыл бұрын

    Here’s the problem, if “God” decided to interfere and helped this guy turn his life around, why the hell isn’t he helping to prevent others from harming people.

  • @Chaturanger
    @Chaturanger3 жыл бұрын

    Some believers simply state that they have faith in God’s existence. However, we can have faith in anything, including that God does not exist, so the use of faith is functionally indistinguishable from the statement ‘God does or does not exist because I said so’.

  • @shanesimpson3455

    @shanesimpson3455

    3 жыл бұрын

    Depends on how the word "faith" is being defined and used, similar to using the word "theory".

  • @williams.vincent4235
    @williams.vincent42354 жыл бұрын

    Don't throw terms like "empirical evidence" at theists like Mark - it bamboozles them. I too am a recovered drug addict, have been in prison due to my addiction, have gone to 12 Step meetings (now exclusively secular 12 Step meetings) and am clean and sober without a God/Higher Power but because of my own determination and the help and support of other people. I now know lots of other addicts/alcoholics who like me, have gotten well with no God

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